Archive for Friday, November 2, 2007

Jets practice flyover for Saturday’s game

Event planned in conjunction with KU Homecoming

November 2, 2007


Fighter jets Friday afternoon practiced flying over Lawrence in preparation for Kansas University's Homecoming ceremony Saturday.

KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said the jets made the trip from St. Louis in order to determine how long Saturday's flight would take. Marchiony said the jets left the area shortly after 3 p.m.

However, they will return to Lawrence Saturday morning.


The_Voice_of_Reason 7 years, 11 months ago

Could saved some time and money if they just divided the distance by miles per hour....

The_Voice_of_Reason 7 years, 11 months ago

I was on it biggunz.... you just type faster than I...

fetch 7 years, 11 months ago

I don't know about St. Louis, but here in Lawrence we have maps, GPS, and wind forecasts. Sheeesh.

Dwight_Schrute 7 years, 11 months ago

Wow, this is BREAKING NEWS? You missed that one biggunz -

jgragg 7 years, 11 months ago

This must be the reason why our government spends more money on the Air Force than any other military branch.......

clyde_never_barks 7 years, 11 months ago

In other news...Low flying jets for ceremonial purposes contribute to global warming. University urges thorough review...

Dwight_Schrute 7 years, 11 months ago

You know, kids really do like the flying jet it makes you feel powerful, or empowered, or...oh well...

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 11 months ago

Uh... yeeeeeah.... practice..... uh huh..... wow.....

Dwight_Schrute 7 years, 11 months ago

So will they be able to do this when they build the Oread Inn? Or will the Hotel block the flight pattern?

imastinker 7 years, 11 months ago

I want to know why this is news when a bomb at a nuclear power plant is not.

cfdxprt 7 years, 11 months ago

Shockchalk, from appearances those were F-15s, which would make sense flying out of St. Louis. To the complainers, pilots have to accumulate a certain amount of time per month to remain proficient - they didn't "need" to do the flight to figure out times, etc, (the computers work just fine thank you) they needed to do the flight to get their requisite hours. Budgets are being cut, and you have to be creative to get a few hours flight gramps dealt with the same thing after WWII .

BTW, I just happened to be outside at the time and saw them fly over. First thought was "why in the heck are F-15s flying so low over Lawrence". Second thought - "man that's cool". Sorry I'm a third generation Air Force brat, so seeing one of the most awesome planes ever invented by man kinda rocks.

Once again to the complainers, I disagree with most of our foreign policy actions, but if your butt was on the line, wouldn't you want the BEST of the best defending you? Compare reports on Rand and other places - no one touches the planes we can build (and those F-15s are 20 years old).

People don't realize what our military capabilities are, and how high performance those planes you saw flying are. It's more probable that they think they should be grounded forever as a waste of petro. Heck, even Ron Paul doesn't think that.

I'm not of KU, I won't be celebrating homecoming, but I'll make darn sure I'm watching those fighters streak across the sky tomorrow. Forget for a second the purpose of the technology (because they are purpose built) and see how beautiful of a bird we have.

cfdxprt 7 years, 11 months ago

Dear LJW editors and computer coders. When I previewed my comment it said wwii, due to the capitalization thing. When I wrote a pithy thing after it saying WWII should always be put as WWII, it actually capitalized it right. (in the previews)

Here's a new rule to work in, WWII should always be displayed as WWII, no matter what - it was the last war with any real meaning.

And of course it seems like this message is posting appropriately.

cfdxprt 7 years, 11 months ago

St. Louis doesn't fly out F-18's. I've lived my whole life in the Air Force, and in profile they were F-15s. The wings were too deep for F-18s. We'll let tomorrow figure it out. If I'm wrong I owe hk45 and shockchalk a beer. And I need to go back to aircraft identification school.

hk45 7 years, 11 months ago

They were F-18s based on their profile.

And, here is the link:

Rick Aldrich 7 years, 11 months ago

are you all sure it was'nt some really big and really pissed off birds?

jayhawkross 7 years, 11 months ago

They flew over my house three times, they were F/A-18's.

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

Unfortunately I missed them today. cfdxprt, were the vertical tails perpendicular to the horizontal tails? I hope they are F-15s. Everyone and their dog has seen the Blue Angels. 15s are simple, elegant, and beautiful aircraft, very much underappreciated by many people. Their performance is quite impressive given their age (over 30 years old) and the performance of more modern aircraft. I'd be thrilled if a few of them flew by tomorrow.

Ragingbear 7 years, 11 months ago

Your tax dollars

You pay for tickets

Your tax dollars paid for the stadium

Your tax dollars paid for the college

You pay for the parking

You pay for the gas

Overpriced Stadium food

Overpriced Beer

Those $15 tickets have cost you nearly $100

Calliope877 7 years, 11 months ago

Since someone suggested that they were F-15s, I felt compelled to post this link:

Lulu 7 years, 11 months ago

The war birds of death scared my two poodles almost to death. The poor babies were yelping for an hour after these death machines made their exit.

I'll be leaving town tomorrow before your man sport of brutes and violence gets underway.

Thats_messed_up 7 years, 11 months ago

Hey treehuggers/zipperheads, If the jets are from St. Louis they are the F-15's flown by the Missouri Air National Guard at Lambert field. The pilots are most likely KU grads but possibly one or two NU grads also. I know because I refuel them all the time with the KC-135 from the Kansas Air National Guard at Forbes Field (that's over in Topeka for all you Lawrence is the center of the universe people).

Kristine Bailey 7 years, 11 months ago

They were F ing beautiful! I hope I am downtown at kickoff! I was taking out trash the 1st time they went by, unfortunately inside the 2nd time. Hope they kick in the afterburners tomorrow.

My Papa used to buzz our house in his King Air. I LOVE tough airplanes(obviosly the king air is not)

This is a peace mission naysayers. They are making sure they get it perfect for the blowout of the Nebs.

Go KU!

Rick Aldrich 7 years, 11 months ago

how about everyone watching the skys around 11:15 a.m. tomorrow. then everybody will know what kind they are. i myself hope their low and loud.

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

glockownr, MDD was absorbed a while back, its now part of Boeing. Support, engineering, and manufacturing are done by Boeing IDS in St. Louis for the 15 and 18. But I definitely agree with you about lameness.

Silly F-18...I bet cfdxprt could tell us all about the fatigue problems that Boeing had with vortex shedding off the strakes hitting the vertical tails. :)

Shelley Bock 7 years, 11 months ago

If the JW article indicates that the pilots were both of "Captain" rank, then they might very well be Marine pilots flying F/A-18's. I couldn't see two Navy Captains flying in the reserves. I'm not certain, but I belive that there was a Marine Reserve squadron in St. Louis at one time. Marines and Navy fly F/A-18. USAF fly F-15. But, I also wouldn't trust the JW to get plane type correct, so proper ID will have to wait for the fly over.

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

Pilgrim, yes the F-15 is still in service and scheduled for retirement 2025. The F-15E has been fairly well updated. I flew in a T-38 (which is an early 1960s fighter trainer) in 2005, a NASA model that is now in civil use. They are still in service and won't be retired until 2020. Aircraft aging is complex and dependent on the lifecycle planning of the manufacturer. For military aircraft, one of the major problems is how many hours you can put on the structure. If you don't fly very often, you can keep an old military aircraft for many years.

knowtoomuch 7 years, 11 months ago

Could Marietta N. Parker & Terra D. Morehead U.S District Attorney's be Involved in Missing Evidence Found for Sale In Local Pawn Shops In Lawrence kansas ?

The Yellow House Fencing investigation had turned ugly for the Lawrence police dept. Officer's Jay Bialek and Officers Mickey Rantz interviewed yellow house costumers while impersonating FBI agents in a effort to intimidate these costumers. The media picked up the story and Marietta Parker and Terra Morehead both U.S. assistants District Attorneys for the state of Kansas tried to help the Lawrence police Chief Ron Olin cover up the impersonations by launching a Fake FBI investigation into the Lawrence Police dept. complete with a fake FBI agent named Mr. Bob Schaefer. Mr. Bob Schaefer had several meetings with the media, attorneys, and officials from the Lawrence police dept. Mr. Schaefer was sent here from K.C. When Lawrence in in the jurisdiction of the Topeka FBI office. Mrs. Marietta Parker is in some hot watter with the real FBI now and it has come to the attention of the real FBI that the Lawrence police dept. has evidence missing from the Police evidence room and some of this missing evidence have turned up in both local pawn shops here in Lawrence. The property missing from the evidence room consisted of firearms, drugs,tools ect.. Could this missing property be the reason the federal prosecutor's Parker and Morehead violated the law posing as FBI agency and conspired to impersonate a FBI agent by sending Mr. Schaefer here to smooth things out ? (a fake FBI agent) Could these Federal prosecutors be involved in the illegal removal of property from the police evidence room and the selling of it to the local pawn shops ? Think about it for a min. when the dirty Lawrence police officers arrest someone and get the Justice dept. to charge them on the federal level based on lies it could be a nice gig , yep once your case go's to federal court most attorneys advice is to plea and take the deal, this will allow the cops to keep your seized property to sell to the pawn shops and it allows the dirty Justice dept. prosecutors to Take your home and business through forfeitures just to keep a winning conviction record and everybody's happy except the poor person who was intimidated and now is going to jail as a innocence person because he listened to his dirty attorney who never believed in him in the 1st place. Just how much money is worth violating a federal prosecutor's oath of offices ? How much missing evidence from the evidence room is worth violating your oath office as a law enforcement officer ? Do you think these Dirty law enforcements officials will be held accountable for their actions , its a sad day when the law enforcement officers and the Justice dept. Federal officials are not held to the same strict code of conduct they hold the public to.

oldgoof 7 years, 11 months ago

...a bunch of people are going to be wrong....this should be fun....

thebigspoon 7 years, 11 months ago

Once again the Journal World gives us just enough information to start a debate. Why couldn't they find out for sure what they were and put it in the article. Nice reporting...

thebigspoon 7 years, 11 months ago

I don't know for sure what kind of planes they were,but I am certain I saw Maverick and Goose in one and Iceman and Hollywood in the other...

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

gl0ck0wnr, just be glad that Lockheed beat out Boeing for the JSF. Boeing's prototype was ugly as sin. LM decided that keeping most F-35 systems simple was a good idea. That bird has been in development for a long time, I know guys who worked on it when it was just the STOVL program. I'm actually looking forward to the rollout of the JSF. Improved safety, range, payload capacity, sensors, weapons capability, and they are cheaper to produce and maintain than the F-18.

classclown 7 years, 11 months ago

How about the Department of Sunshine and Lollipops. Much nicer ring to it. And also the Department of Kumbaya.

fetch 7 years, 11 months ago

OK all of you smartie-pants out there..... What kind of planes showed up Saturday???

Lifelong_Lawrencian 7 years, 11 months ago

They were most definitely F-18's. I could explain how I know this is true, but then I would have to kill you.

Hoots 7 years, 11 months ago

I wonder if they bought carbon offsets to make up for the flight and all the fuel they burned in the atmosphere? ;-) JK

simpleton 7 years, 11 months ago

the x-35 rocks. I saw the very first flight of the very first prototype while working at LMCO's Skunk Works plant in Palmdale. You guys are silly itching for a fight over what KIND of plane it was. And how you're so danged smart. If they flew all this way, though, couldn't they have spent a bit more time with a couple more passes?

JSDAD 7 years, 11 months ago

hey we own em so fly em. so what if it wastes money. we do the same with the bus system dont we?

aeroscout17 7 years, 11 months ago

"" To the complainers, pilots have to accumulate a certain amount of time per month to remain proficient - they didn't "need" to do the flight to figure out times, etc, (the computers work just fine thank you) they needed to do the flight to get their requisite hours. "

Thank you for the logic. My dad was an Air Force fighter pilot and he used to berate people that'd bitch about flyovers at games/special events. It's not like these guys are joyriding. They are getting their hours and doing something like this just makes sense. It'll be awesome tomorrow."

Not just the Air Force; I was an Army pilot and we had to get our hours too. Even something like a fly-by had training value and was usually a small part of a larger training mission/scenario.

aeroscout17 7 years, 11 months ago

Guess I should have added that I quit flying in the early 90s since the other folks posting were talking about earlier times.

amygrace 7 years, 11 months ago

Those jets that flew over today were F/A-18's. They are from a Marine squadron based in Beaufort South Carolina and both of the pilots graduated from KU.

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

gl0ck0wnr, you know there are three very different variants of the F-35, right? The A variant is quite conventional. The B has the STOVL system, and the C has enlarged wing and control surface area I believe.

And yes, they were F-18s. You can tell by the angle of the vertical tails, the size and placement of the engines, and the width of the fuselage that they were definitely not the F-15s that some believed they were.

Kylee Manahan 7 years, 11 months ago

It was thrilling!!! Proud of those Jayhawks flying them too!

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

Pilgrim, the F-14 was retired so early for a few reasons. First is that the only other operator of F-14s is Iran, and the DoD didn't want parts making their way to Iran. Also, the F-18 (which was meant to supersede the F-14) had successfully obsoleted the F-14; the F-18 was technologicaly far superior with many aircraft in service. There was no need to support two lines of aircraft that were meant for the same missions.

Similarly, The F-22 will supersede the F-15C and D variants, but much fewer will be built. Also, the F-22s are insanely more expensive than an F-15. I should been more specifc, only the F-15E will stay in active service until 2025.

gl0ck0wnr, the F-35 is fairly affordable with respect to other fighters. Considering that much of the F-35 is derived from the $100M+ F-22, and that with every successive generation of military aircraft we manufacture fewer airframes, the approximately $50M price tag for the F-35 is really quite good. Product lifecycle costs are also reduced by sharing parts across product lines with the F-22 and using technologies derived from COTS systems.

Armen Kurdian 7 years, 11 months ago

Compnd, the F-14 was primarily retired because it was so darn expensive to fly. Of all Naval aircraft currently flown, it was the most expensive. Cost per flight hour, full burdened, was over $10K/hour, primarily due to maintenance. Hey, the plane was introduced in 1974 (+/- a year). Also, since it was designed from the outset as an Air Superiority fighter, and no air-ground role, Grumman had to do some fancy engineering to keep it around by giving it an air-ground role, but it still wasn't quite up to snuff. It did have some great aspects, as it was faster than the F-18. But DoD made a cost decision to get rid of it.

Just to let you all know, anytime there is a flyover for a public event, the unit supplying the aircraft is REQUIRED to get some form of training. You get X number of flight hours per month, no more no less (with a few exceptions), and have to get all the checks in the block you need with those flight hours.

compmd 7 years, 11 months ago

"Cost per flight hour, full burdened, was over $10K/hour, primarily due to maintenance."

That really isn't that bad for a 30-year old supersonic military fighter aircraft. There are several unarmed, subsonic, light Part 25 aircraft with simpler engines and systems that have similar flight hour costs. Heck, the Citation X advertises how inexpensive its $6,000/flight hour operating cost is relative to its competitors, and its MTOW is half that of an F-14.

GretchenJP 7 years, 11 months ago

I thought it was a UFO. Me, Billy-Jo-Bob-Jim and Sally-Sue hitched our geer up to our trailer and waited for the little green men!

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