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Bush says country’s ‘lifeblood’ at stake

May 30, 2007

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— Firing back at conservative critics, President Bush defended his plan to overhaul immigration laws Tuesday and accused its opponents of "trying to rile up people's emotions" with misinformation.

Bush expressed his determination to fight for changes that would let millions of illegal immigrants gain legal status. He cast the debate as a struggle over America's soul and its reputation as a welcoming nation.

"I'm deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history," the president said. "I am worried that a backlash to newcomers would cause our country to lose its great capacity to assimilate newcomers."

Bush underscored his commitment to the proposed overhaul - despite harsh criticism from some conservatives - as he traveled to Georgia for a speech that blasted the legislation's critics.

"I'm sure you've heard some of the talk out there about people defining the bill. It's clear they hadn't read the bill. They're speculating about what the bill says, and they're trying to rile up people's emotions," he told an audience at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco.

Bush acknowledged that the proposed overhaul faces a difficult time in Congress, where it's under attack from both ends of the political spectrum.

Conservative critics contend that it amounts to an amnesty program because illegal immigrants would be allowed to stay in the country after paying $1,000 fines. Some liberals complain that plans for a new temporary worker program are overly restrictive and would create a permanent underclass of foreign workers.

The bill seeks to strike a balance between tougher border enforcement and a more welcoming policy toward the estimated 12 million immigrants who already are in the country illegally.

Bush hopes to push it through Congress with help from a bipartisan group of lawmakers that includes Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., a liberal stalwart, and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., a staunch conservative.

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Sigmund 7 years, 3 months ago

If Bush doesn't resign in disgrace he should be impeached.

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Ragingbear 7 years, 3 months ago

Ok. He's saying that in order to maintain the tradition of America being a country of immigrants is to prevent more immigration, but give those already here citizenship? Cocaine, it's a heck of a drug.

Another point to comment on: "Bush acknowledged that the proposed overhaul faces a difficult time in Congress, where it's under attack from both ends of the political spectrum."

Yeah, that's pretty much their way of saying that your idea sucks. That is kinda what it was intended to do by our founding fathers. And yes, I got an Oijia board backed with a rough draft of the Declaration of Independence, so I know what I'm talking about.

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Janet Lowther 7 years, 3 months ago

While the proposal before the senate is a vast improvement over the present system, it is still a serious infringement on both the right to travel and the right to work.

People have an inherent right to peaceably travel, and the right to work is not limited to your birthplace.

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Wilbur_Nether 7 years, 3 months ago

Sigmund wrote: "If Bush doesn't resign in disgrace he should be impeached."

Nah. We've seen that already--all the entertainment value is gone from it. What I'd really like to see in my lifetime is a Presidential election thrown to the House. Now THAT would be fun!

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Linda Endicott 7 years, 3 months ago

And saying things like "I'm deeply concerned about America losing its soul" ISN'T "trying to rile up people's emotions"??

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 3 months ago

I can't stand Bush, but this is actually something I agree with. Some of my ancestors go pretty far back, and they came here to live without the natives permission, so they were illegals. Probably most of the people who complain about modern immigration had ancestors who were illegal. Of course, they aren't smart enough to know their history. Besides, many Americans are turning into lazy, self indulgent uneducated morons. Their ancestors weren't spoiled and had to have their bosses tell them how special they are. Their ancestors worked hard, and were rewarded with the self respect of carrying their own weight. We've created a whole generation of people who have no self value. If we don't bring in fresh blood to challenge them, they will become like the Romans when their empire started to fail. It's been our immigrants who have always kept us on our toes. A friend of mine's brother runs a construction crew, and has said he'd rather hire a Mexican, because most of the young kids he hires can't pass the urine test, don't want to work on weekends, and have to constantly be told how wonderful they are, because they are gracing their boss with their presence when they show up for work not hungover. It's funny that the conservatives are so against the competition. I thought competition was a good thing?

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Godot 7 years, 3 months ago

Every time Repubs team up with Dems to sponsor bills, bad things happen: McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform that birthed moveon.org; the Bush-Kennedy NCLB; and now, the immigration reform bill that makes it easy to be legal if you are illegal and uneducated, but makes it harder to be legal and educated and if you follow the rules.

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 3 months ago

CRIMINALS and responsible for a backslide in their community:

"From the L.A. Times

  1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County ( L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

  2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

  3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

  4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

  5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

  6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

  7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely

illegal aliens from south of the border.

  1. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

  2. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

  3. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English...

3.9 million speak Spanish.

(There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County ).

(All of the above is from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth

(and over 90% of California, Florida , and New York )

results from immigration.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.

WHY CAN'T WE SEND THEM HOME"

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 3 months ago

http://www.topix.net/news/immigration/2007/05/immigrants-sue-employer-for-back-wages

I like this.

The Company hires illegal aliens, treats them like crap and shorts them on pay.

1.) WHO did the illegal aliens think they were dealing with? A company that does this sort of thing WILL SCREW YOU!!! He hires illegally, WHAT THE F*CK WERE YOU THINKING???

2.) THe Company hired illegal aliens to "Do the jobs Americans won't do" and aparrently even illegal aliens have their limits too, such as WAY too much unpaid overtime and witholding of wages.

The article states:

"Others said they worked 80- or 100-hour weeks without earning overtime pay or even the prevailing minimum wage."

Seems as the "Jobs Americans won't do are also unacceptable for illegal aliens and are illegal, such as hiring illegal aliens in the first place.

WHAT THE SAM HILL IS ANYBODY THINKING HERE?????

""People should be aware of the kinds of exploitative situations that are happening out there, in particular with immigrant workers,""

Well no $hit! Illegal ALiens (NOT IMMIGRANTS) are going to get exploited, that is why the business want them, to do 80-110 hours a week 7 days a week with no breaks and not pay them diddly!!!!

In another case, the Company Rep. who hired illegal aliens said he did not have to pay back wages and overtimebecause they were illegal aliens and were not legally able to work. A Federal Judge told him he was to check and if they were working for the man, they needed to be treated the same as any other worker.

SO the word is getting out to the illegal aliens, they can sue for back wages, they have to be paid minimum wages, and they have to be paid for overtime.

hmmmmm! Maybe now they are realizing WHY "Americans were not doing the jobs illegal aliens were doing"!!!!

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 3 months ago

Soiorry Aggie, the snopes thing is busted as well. These facts and figures are true, although NOT attribitutable ot the LA TImes. That is the only thing wrong in it.

That is IF you read the snopes entry and believe it.

The pricing and costing has been done but is not being recoognized.

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beatrice 7 years, 3 months ago

Favorite quote in a long time, dorothy -- "Some of my ancestors go pretty far back, ..."

Doesn't everyone's? : ) In fact, mine go all the way back, all the way to the primordial ooze that was sparked by the spaghetti monster. That is if you accept religious beliefs.

The problem is a large one. Sure is nice to have Bush finally paying attention now that he has less than two years left in office (yippee!!). Just like his response to Katrina -- a little too little and a little too late. It will take the next president to solve, be it Obama, Clinton or Gore.

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yourworstnightmare 7 years, 3 months ago

This squabble is quite amusing. Both Bushco and GOP congressmen have been trained to fight the same way; no shame and no holds barred.

In one breath Bush says "I'm deeply concerned about America losing its soul. Immigration has been the lifeblood of a lot of our country's history,"

In the next he accuses GOPers in congress of "trying to rile up people's emotions".

Good stuff, good stuff...

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yourworstnightmare 7 years, 3 months ago

I don't know the answer to the "immigration problem", but I guess I really don't think it is a problem at all.

It would (will) be interesting to see what happens to the US economy if (when) all of the "illegals" are sent packing and not allowed to work in the US.

The bottom line is these people do the sh17-work that Americans are too lazy or spoiled to do for wages that no American would work for. The end result will be higher priced food, goods, and services due either to reduced supply or increased worker wages when Americans start doing the jobs.

Simple capitalism, folks.

Think about the consequences. It is easy to jerk your knee and to say "they are illegal and should leave". There would (will) be consequences on the US economy.

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lildos 7 years, 3 months ago

You will never be able to satisfy all sides especially in a issue as big as this one. Sure illegal immigrants will have an opportunity to become legal, but will they want it?

As a legal immigrant that came here as a student and now have become a legal resident I must say: It is much easier to be illegal and to be legal. It is very easy to fall out of status as a legal immigrant (in my specific case, as a student) and just that would make you an illegal immigrant. Also, it is so easy to get jobs that pay straight cash and regulation is so lax that it makes it easy for illegals to attain work (and that's here in Kansas where the number of illegals is much smaller than places like Texas, New York, California, Arizona).

Because I spent a lot of money and time becoming a resident here through the legal channels I am somewhat against amnesty mainly because most people will most likely opt not to do so. The fees to legally become a resident have tripled to roughly $3000, not including lawyer's fees and the $1000 proposed fine. If immigrants are coming here to save money and send back (which seems to be the majority, but I am relying mostly on anecdotal evidence here, do not quote me on that!) coffing up 4000 dollars is not in their best interest.

I don't have numbers and statistics to throw at people but I believe that we are looking at this wrong. The reason they come in the US is because they are able to get work. Regulation of companies that hire illegals is very lax and that is why they have jobs. So why don't we make sure that the companies are not able to hire illegals, this way they won't be able to work and will most likely not come into the country. Simple supply and demand. I would think it is much easier to regulate a few thousand companies then regulate 10 million (or whatever the number is) of illegals:

That's my opinion:

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yourworstnightmare 7 years, 3 months ago

Ag, you are basically correct.

My point is that cheap labor has kept prices low and food/goods/services abundant. If we start purging that cheap labor or pay Americans more to do it, it will raise prices. Given the reality of our economy, there is really no way it could not. Yes, the market will take care of prices. Those goods and services that become unaffordable will be in less demand. One could make an argument that cheap labor has been bad for our economy, de-emphasizing local sources of food and expanding corporate agriculture and CAFOs.

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beatrice 7 years, 3 months ago

Agnostick, Bush Sr. didn't say "No new taxes." What he said was, "Know new taxes." And indeed, we did.

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Mkh 7 years, 3 months ago

If this immigration bill passes I really think it will have horrendous consequences for America for a long long time to come. This is yet another advancement in the ever expanding global free market place which continues to erode domestic sovereignty. This is an important part of the plan for the Elitist politicians. It started with NAFTA and the WTO, then came the FTAA and now this. And who does it hurt the most? The American tax payer and worker. As if it's not bad enough that we sent all of our jobs overseas, but now we have to support a immigrant class of "workers" while our government cannot even ustain it's current working class.

This is going to create terrible problems for an already strained government budget. Good luck to any "conservatives" out there who want to downsize the government. You are about to extend federal wealfare to every illegal immigrant who can cross the poorly guarded border.

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