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U.S. frees 42 kidnapped by al-Qaida

May 28, 2007

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— American forces freed 42 kidnapped Iraqis - some of whom had been hung from ceilings and tortured for months - in a raid Sunday on an al-Qaida hideout north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said.

Military officials said the operation, launched on tips from residents, showed that Iraqis in the turbulent Diyala province were turning against Sunni insurgents and beginning to trust U.S. troops.

"The people in Diyala are speaking up against al-Qaida," said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, the top U.S. military spokesman in Iraq.

Elsewhere in Diyala, a U.S. soldier was killed when an explosion hit his vehicle and a second soldier was killed in an explosion in Baghdad, the military said. The deaths brought the number of troops killed this month to at least 102, putting May on pace to become the deadliest month for Americans here in more than 2 1/2 years.

In other violence, a barrage of mortar rounds struck houses in a Shiite village just northeast of Baghdad, killing three women and a child and wounding seven other children, Baghdad police said.

A suicide car bomber attacked an army checkpoint in Musayyib, about 40 miles south of Baghdad, killing two Iraqi soldiers.

Gunmen also killed the renowned Baghdad calligrapher Khalil Mohammed al-Zahawi in a drive-by shooting in a Shiite dominated area in eastern Baghdad, police said. Al-Zahawi, 52, who was also a lecturer at Baghdad University, was waiting for a taxi on a main road when the gunmen sped past.

U.S. military officials have said they expected insurgents to step up attacks as U.S.-led forces worked to crack down on violence in Baghdad and the surrounding areas during their 14-week-old security operation.

As part of the crackdown, the military sent 3,000 more U.S. troops to Diyala, a turbulent province north of Baghdad that has seen heavy fighting in recent weeks. Sunday's raid, the military said, was a sign that the increase was working.

Some of the captives suffered broken bones. Some had been held for as long as four months. One said he was just 14 years old, Caldwell said.

The 42 freed Iraqis marked the largest number of captives ever found in a single al-Qaida prison, he said.

Comments

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

good thing we DIDN'T withdraw as the surrender/democrats wanted. 41-42 tortured iraqis would thank us for staying and freeing them. now, before you leftists raise abu graib, I'll hit that one outa the park. abu graib was not the result of policy and was not the designed intent of those in charge; al-qaeda even has a torture manual with diagrams etc., to show how to do this, their policy as intended.

pull out and leave iraq to the tender mercies of such animals? give the terrorists a definite victory to claim? the proposals of the defeatocrats are morally depraved and would discard all the sacrifice and hard bought lives to this point for nothing. america is not against the iraqi war, america is just against the war going badly.

oh, and that 600,000+ figure of iraqi dead, in case some vacuous liberal raises it, will bat that one too. that number includes those KILLED BY THE TERRORSTS and thoseKILLED BY SADDAM'S PEOPLE! it is a completely empty number inflated way beyond reality. when the mosque of the golden dome was blown up, by al-qaeda, civilians and religious leaders inside who died, they are counted in that fake number. these are the victims of the torturing al-qaeda. if they had killed some of the 41-42 released from torture these feckless liberals would have counted them in that figure too!

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

"discussions on stories" lists this with "3" comments, but all I see is little ol' me. two leftie flacks got removed already? the uncivil leftat it again. the blood thirsty leftists writing threats again? hmm?

drewdun 7 years, 6 months ago

"The fight will be fought by the right, from sensible citizens and from our brave military overseas" - rt

Keyboard kommandos, to the RESCUE!

I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it: this website provides a great public service in that one can see exactly how deranged and utterly detached from reality those on the far-right truly are. Its sad that in this era of instant information and readily available facts that those on the right are so far removed from objective reality. Using this news as an excuse to attack Democrats and trot out their tired 'liberals hate America and the troops' shtick is deplorable, but not surprising. No mention, of course, of the troops that died over the weekend, just more mindless cheerleading and partisan hatred. Just sick, sick individuals (I think bearded-gnome (con-man?) is slowly taking over 'most despicable poster' from rt, btw). Bottom line: I love the schizophrenia from the right in terms of the Iraq war - in their bizarre world those that want to keep the troops in the hellhole, dying for a completely undefined goal, are somehow "supporting" the troops, while those that realize that the Iraqis don't want us there and WHO WANT TO BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES AND NOT DIE IN THE HELLHOLE are "anti-troops/anti-American." Can someone please explain how this blatantly obvious disconnect has gained such favor on the right?

Mkh 7 years, 6 months ago

First of all, let's STOP lying to ourselves and others about this "withdrawl" aka "surrender" that is Not even happening. No One has introduced legislation to completely remove US forces from Iraq, nor will they, probably EVER. Got it?

Everybody say it together: "We are NOT leaving Iraq"

We have built over 12 Permanent military bases, the US military will be stationed there for the majority of our lives, the only debate is how many troops.

Secondly, if these 40 some rescued prisoners are your catalyst for why it was a good idea to keep troop levels the same you are Nuts and disrespecting the lives lost by the US military in Iraq (yea you gnome). I'm sure those widows here in the States who have lost loved ones recently are just estatic for you to use this "victory" as a political talking point of why troops should not return to their families. Shamefull display, and the day after Memorial Day too. Shameful.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

no, rescuing 41-42 is a pretty darn good reason for our troops to be there, saving lives from al-qaeda torture/death. as PA noted above, you fringies blame all of the deaths on u.s.a even those killed by al-qaeda. btw, zarqawie was in iraq befor we invaded, his medical care and his sanctuary were, repeat WERE approved by saddam.

nice job PA on the i insane logic of the antiwar folks. and despite the hot air of mister conspiracy wacko MKH, murtha et al were pushing for a very rapid withdrawl, they called it "redeployment" as in redeployment to Japan [smirk]; yes, Murtha proposed redeploying our iraqi troops to Japan.

some of the bean-scooter mkh fools burnt american flags in a cemetary this weekend in washington and replaced them with nazi symbols.

also deadender is just plain wrong and completely without substance in his/her comment and that's all needs be said.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

yes, the tragedy of this, Factor, is that the 41-42 survived and the fringies can't add them to the body count they blame GWB/U.S.A. for. lost rhetorical opportunity!

worth noting that the celebration on this thread from the leftists is only pro forma, and obviously not heartfelt. they panic at every good news from the war, and try to turn it into bad, fearing that GWB might actually win this war, making them look as fools. so what does that make them: cheerleaders for DEFEAT! note the comments above and my case is made.

congrats to the soldiers, good job and nice working with the locals. do more and free more iraqis.

again worth noting, the torture of the al-qaeda was the policy intended. and the fools that want to tie our hands, or pull most of our troops out, etc., want to empower these torturers. again, whatever happened to all that gooshy feeling about civil rights??? oh, yea, these are little brown people, who can't do democracy, and their civil rights don't count in the liberal universe.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

ORCAS ISLAND, Wash. (AP) - Vandals burned dozens of small American flags that decorated veterans' graves for Memorial Day and replaced many of them with hand-drawn swastikas, authorities said Monday.

Forty-six flags were burned completely and another 33 were found in charred tatters Sunday in the cemetery, authorities said. Swastikas drawn on paper appeared where 14 of the flags had been.

Members of the American Legion on this island off Washington's northwest coast replaced the burned flags with new ones Sunday afternoon.

The vandals repeated the stunt on Memorial Day after a guard left at dawn, the San Juan County sheriff's office said. This time, the vandals left 33 of the hand-drawn swastikas.

"This is not an act of free speech. This is a crime," Sheriff Bill Cumming said in a statement released Monday afternoon.

Sheriff's department officials declined to comment further on Monday.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Linda Endicott 7 years, 6 months ago

Unfortunately, Posessionannex, it's not only Americans who "blame ALL civilian deaths, even the ones you cause with your car bombs, on America."

chungasrevenge 7 years, 6 months ago

While our leaders constantly use the mess we created to further justify the erosion of our constitutional rights here at home, we forget about our own borders and support the inexorable move toward global government-hardly a good plan for America.

Eride 7 years, 6 months ago

Now if only the Iraqi Security Forces we train would stop using our equipment and training to turn around and attack our troops.

Winning the war in Iraq indeed!

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

okay beanscooter...remember georgeT the clinton appointed cia chief who said "we believed he [saddam] had weapons of mass distruction?" well, he has stated repeatedly that al-qaeda was in iraq before 2003, just not putting iraq into a command/control role RE 9/11 attack. he said there were "dozens" of links, ties, and human connections. he was in charge of cia, and he probably was right about wmd's, as they seem to have been shipped off to syria in fall '02.

now, again, beanscooter, zarqawie was in iraq before we attacked, his medical care was approved personally by saddam, and his sanctuary was personally approved by saddam.

on another thread, one of your ilk, "Merrill" calls the homicide bombers in iraq "patriots," celebrating those who blow up our troops. indeed, you are heavily invested in defeat in iraq, and the thought of any other outcome gives you sweaty palms and heart skipping pain.

we learned from viet nam too. we saw how our troops were treated by people like you when they came home, spat upon, cursed, called babykiller, and made out to be generally war criminals [i.e. kerry]. some of you are treating troops today the same way. we have learned from the vietnam experience and won't give you the kind of respect you got in the '60s and '70s. its too dangerous.

Mkh 7 years, 6 months ago

"some of the bean-scooter mkh fools burnt american flags in a cemetary this weekend in washington and replaced them with nazi symbols"

Gnome:

Next time you accuse me of burning American flags in a cemetary and replacing them with Nazi symbols you better say it to my face. Not as an anonymous coward on a public forum. In fact let me know where to find you so I can discuss your charge in person. After all, I believe I have the right to face my accuser, no matter how much of a coward he may be.

You disgust me Gnome, you and everyone of you pro-war "Christians"...you are a disgrace, and this even for you, is an all time low.

Curious 7 years, 6 months ago

"Why don't we free the several hundred held illegally at Gitmo by W in his king George persona? I understand he doesn't understand human rights, why don't we?"

Okay, this one got me. Do you realize how many prisoners we held "illegally" by your definition inside the U.S. during WWII? We had POW camps all over the U.S. including Kansas. Prisoners of war are held until the war is over. Can you understand why? Do you care as much about the thousands we are probably holding in Iraq?

And Abu Graib, have you read reports of what happened there during Hussein's rule? Underwear on the head and dogs getting close and being naked in front of a woman are a cake walk compared to what had happened in that prison. And who did we suspect we were holding? People who had DONE what used to happen all across Iraq. They don't need to learn it from an Al Qaida training manual - they were pros at it before Al Quaida even existed.

And while we sit at our computers, they are still doing it. Right now, people are hanging from the ceiling by their arms, innocent people most of them, people in the wrong place at the wrong time, there for the enjoyment of their captors. There for the fear it instills in the rest of the population. You want to know why the people of Iraq aren't "snitching" more than they are? Are they safe? Will they be safe? They listen to the news from America and Europe. They can't take the chance that we will leave. Their lives depend on being as inconspicuous as possible.

But it is a false hope. When people capable of such atrocities take control again in Iraq, no one is safe. In the middle of the street in broad daylight, you might be told to kneel and your head is separated from your body with the stroke of a sword. In the wrong place . . . at the wrong time.

Oh . . . but we can santimoniously say, we aren't responsible for any more deaths in Iraq. And . . . we will never be told. So, by our warped world view that "there is no such thing as truth". it won't be happening because we won't know.

Mkh 7 years, 6 months ago

Gnome,

Can you read?

You compared me to someone who burned the American flag and replaced it with a Nazi symbol. So I'll tell you again. WHERE CAN I FIND YOU? I want to bring my family over to your house so you can call me a Nazi in front of them. The fact that you consider yourself a "Christian" disturbs me.

Why don't you tell me this to my face instead of being a coward. I'm serious Gnome...I will Not Tolerate this.

temperance 7 years, 6 months ago

Drewdun: I laughed at the WaPo's supposed liberalism, too. Wow. Where to begin?

If you kept reading, you'd see this: "I have caught you in one of the most common of liberal lies, to imply that GWB et al tied saddam to 9-11. no such claims were made."

No Such Claims

Condi in 2002: "No one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on September 11, so we don't want to push this too far, but this is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clear, and we're learning more. . . . But, yes, there clearly are contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq that can be documented. There clearly is testimony that some of these contacts have been important contacts and there's a relationship here." http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/international/july-dec02/rice_9-25.html

From USA Today: "Poll: 70% believe Saddam, 9-11 link -- Nearly seven in 10 Americans believe it is likely that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, says a poll out almost two years after the terrorists' strike against this country. . . .President Bush and members of his administration suggested a link between the two in the months before the war in Iraq. Claims of possible links have never been proven, however. Veteran pollsters say the persistent belief of a link between the attacks and Saddam could help explain why public support for the decision to go to war in Iraq has been so resilient despite problems establishing a peaceful country." http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

More recently: Feith's office 'was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda,' according to portions of the report, released yesterday by Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.).'" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387.html

Eride 7 years, 6 months ago

"There is nothing anyone can say to the detractors of Americas freedom and safety. The seething hatred for George W. Bush has driven the far-left to the brink of incapacitation:..there is no reasoning."

For starters I am a Republican and not a member of the "far-left" and secondly I supported the war until it was obvious that it wasn't our war anymore. It is a CIVIL war. We need to get out while we still can before more people die and billions of more dollars are spent on someone else's civil war that we cannot possibly win. We can't trust the civilian population of Iraq, we can't even trust the Iraqi Security forces that we trained and supplied. It is time to leave.

ihatelv 7 years, 6 months ago

scenebooster (Anonymous) says:

PA, while I take your point, you ignore the fact of what Defender is saying:

AQ was not in Iraq prior to the invasion. At all.

Scenebooster, where's your source for that one??

temperance 7 years, 6 months ago

Drewdun: "I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it: this website provides a great public service in that one can see exactly how deranged and utterly detached from reality those on the far-right truly are." Yes, keep saying it. I think it's immensely valuable in answering the question "Twenty-eight percent? Why is GWB's approval rating so darn high?"

Curious: "Do you realize how many prisoners we held 'illegally' by your definition inside the U.S. during WWII?" That's an awesome invocation of internment there George. There's nothing like defending one atrocity by pointing to another.

Hey scenebooster, while you're finding "sources" for the wacky notion that AQ was not in Iraq prior to our invasion, where's your hard evidence that Saddam wasn't at all involved with 9/11? After all, doesn't it make perfect sense that a Ba'athist secularist with a track record of repression against Muslims would collude with a religious fanatic? You must be reading the propaganda from the 911 Commission: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html Or perhaps the very words of our Leader have led you astray? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html moonbat . . .

shockchalk 7 years, 6 months ago

It's shockchalk, not shocktalk, scenebooster.

ihatelv 7 years, 6 months ago

Scenebooster, none of those stories says AQ was not in Iraq before we invaded. They do state a lot of things, but not they they wern't there before. Was Iraq involved in 911, no. Is it worse now than when we went in, yes. Etc.... Nothing about AQ not being there before the war......

ihatelv 7 years, 6 months ago

Scenebooster, again, I'm not disputing any of your info. Just your statement. You're referencing apples to oranges. You didn't say that Iraq was not involved in 911. They weren't. Cited sources. You didn't say that Iraq didn't train AQ. They didn't. Cited sources.

You said, "AQ was not in Iraq prior to the invasion. At all." I still have not seen any sources to back that up. Not that I care, but you are just such a @?!%$# when it comes to people voicing their opinions or facts without sources. I'm just trying to give you a taste of your own crap!

If they were or weren't we'll never know. But for you to say they were not is a bucnh of crap, because you don't know that at all.............

drewdun 7 years, 6 months ago

scenebooster: I love how ihatelv wants you to prove a negative, that al-Qaeda wasn't in Iraq prior to the invasion. I believe the onus is on him/her to provide proof that AQ was in Iraq prior to the invasion and working against us. He/she might actually have to provide "facts" to prove this, so its highly unlikely you'll hear from him/her again.

Also, this:

"smurf_daddy (Anonymous) says:

How does right_thinker say it? You guys are great."

Wow. Actively quoting the person with THE LEAST credibility on this site. Its okay, smurf. You haven't been here long, so a bit understandable. After a while, a lot of the conservatives on this board see what rt is all about, and subsequently distance themselves from him - see pa. If you have any sense, you will too. All you will have to do is read his ridiculous, hate-filled, flaming posts everyday, and you will see the light.

temperance 7 years, 6 months ago

Scenebooster: Like greyheim said @ 11:47, you're using just too many facts. Facts? Facts are so lame. Give me a story with a hero and a villain. That always makes me feel good. [RE:@11:41] Also, Pincus' participation as co-chairman of The Carter Barron Summer Free Shakespeare task force should draw suspicion. "Free" is just another word for socialist. The "Carter" reference is damning all by itself.

ihatelv: If you concede that Saddam was not involved with 9/11 and had no ties to AQ, why are you clinging to "prior to the invasion at all" as an important point to refute? Look, just admit that you were one of the 70% of Americans who wrongly thought that Saddam was involved with 911. Or maybe you were part of 22% who thought he was directly involved with the planning. But that was in the past. Since you know that Saddam wasn't involved with 911 or AQ now it's time to give up this last shred of irrationality and truth-denial.

Mkh 7 years, 6 months ago

So I hate to say I told you so...but did anyone else see Tony Snow today explaining that the White House was going to use the "South Korea model" for US troops in Iraq? Meaning that we are NOT leaving for decades. Just like I said, we've built a dozen very large, permanent bases in Iraq and they will be occupied with US troops for generations.

"Six days, six weeks, I doubt six months" -- Donald Rumsfield

temperance 7 years, 6 months ago

Mkh I caught that too. It's a totally dishonest parallel in a number of respects, but it definitely shows that we're in Iraq for the long haul, regardless of what happens in September. So much machinery has been set in motion that even when the Democrats regain power it's going to be age before we're out of there in any meaningful sense, I fear. This might interest you: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/014379.php And I know you've been following the embassy plans. Here's a good article on it: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/05/30/embassy/

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

okay, so scenie quotes an expert who does indicate that iraq is a major front in the war on terror. wow, in all his rantings and posting slanted stories, some leaks through that betrays the truth. washington post has been well known as having a leftist antiwar editorial bias. the article cited about al-qaeda in iraq: since that was written there are reports that that new leader was killed by sunni tribesmen. the article indicates that we're turning the corner with those tribesmen. apparently, the tribesmen working against al-qaeda in iraq had a hand in the original story at the top of this thread.

nobody has ever claimed that saddam had a direct command/control link to 9/11; if you liberals would take the beans outa your ears, you'd know that what GWB has said that in today's world, with the experience of 9-11, we can't wait for threats to materialize; now threats have to be stopped before they result in mass attacks. there, I have caught you in one of the most common of liberal lies, to imply that GWB et al tied saddam to 9-11. no such claims were made. you know that, and are likely playing this for the misguidance of the less informed.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

"some of the bean-scooter mkh fools burnt american flags in a cemetary this weekend in washington and replaced them with nazi symbols. "

with this statement, I have apparently struck gold! MKH, who believes in a multicentury multicontinent conspiracy across much of history, protests so strongly that though I was talking about people like him and beanie, he takes it up!

fits too tightly, that shoe?

drewdun 7 years, 6 months ago

"bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says:

washington post has been well known as having a leftist antiwar editorial bias."

HHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

I stopped reading there.

Thanks for the laugh though.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

and, the links above prove exactly what I said, that there were links, just not command/control. so, just who has the reading comprehension problems? you even post links proving my point. and boostie, anyone reading your posts will see that you are not to be trusted.

thanks...I go away for a while and come back to find that my own words are confirmed by the fringies, nice.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 6 months ago

GH, my initial comments have been verified by the postings of you and the other leftists. thanks for proving my points. note, this is good news in this article, and the fringies are so busy bashing bush and attacking anything about bush that they can't rejoice in our country's victory and 42 tortured iraqis freed!


p.s. MKH I didn't call you a NAZI...try rereading my posts with actual reading comprehension engaged. we learned about you guys from vietnam's experience and we won't sit idly by while you guys trash our noble troops as dupes, poor trapped saps, gun crazed nuts, or as NAZIs. never again will we be silent and allow our service men and women to be treated that way again.


replay: all true as verified by above posts: 28 May 2007 at 4:49 p.m.

Suggest removal Permalink Anonymous user bearded_gnome ( Anonymous) says:

good thing we DIDN'T withdraw as the surrender/democrats wanted. 41-42 tortured iraqis would thank us for staying and freeing them. now, before you leftists raise abu graib, I'll hit that one outa the park. abu graib was not the result of policy and was not the designed intent of those in charge; al-qaeda even has a torture manual with diagrams etc., to show how to do this, their policy as intended.

pull out and leave iraq to the tender mercies of such animals? give the terrorists a definite victory to claim? the proposals of the defeatocrats are morally depraved and would discard all the sacrifice and hard bought lives to this point for nothing. america is not against the iraqi war, america is just against the war going badly.

oh, and that 600,000+ figure of iraqi dead, in case some vacuous liberal raises it, will bat that one too. that number includes those killed by the terrorsts and thosekilled by saddam's people! it is a completely empty number inflated way beyond reality. when the mosque of the golden dome was blown up, by al-qaeda, civilians and religious leaders inside who died, they are counted in that fake number. these are the victims of the torturing al-qaeda. if they had killed some of the 41-42 released from torture these feckless liberals would have counted them in that figure too!

28 May 2007 at 9:51 p.m.

Suggest removal Permalink Anonymous user bearded_gnome ( Anonymous) says:

"discussions on stories" lists this with "3" comments, but all I see is little ol' me. two leftie flacks got removed already? the uncivil leftat it again. the blood thirsty leftists writing threats again? hmm?

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