Archive for Thursday, March 29, 2007

City candidates share their views

March 29, 2007


The six candidates seeking seats on the Lawrence City Commission have wide-ranging views on how much new oversight is needed for the Lawrence Police Department.

The candidates Wednesday evening were split on the issue of whether a new Citizens Police Review Board should be created that would advise the police department on policy and operation issues.

On one end of the spectrum was Commissioner David Schauner, who said the review board was a good idea.

"Our police department is our police department," Schauner told a crowd of about 70 people who attended the candidate forum at Lawrence High School. "They do answer to the citizens of Lawrence. We should work to have more regular involvement from the citizens."

On the other end of the spectrum, candidate James Bush said he couldn't support the idea of creating a new advisory board because his research had indicated they had not worked well in other communities. He also said he thought the board might be duplicative.

"I believe citizens do have a police review board," Bush said. "It is your City Commission."

The other four candidates all expressed varying levels of interest. Rob Chestnut said he would need to review the issue and wanted to determine whether it would be duplicative of outreach efforts the department already makes. Carey Maynard-Moody promised to study the idea, but said the city did need to get serious about putting more police officers downtown during evening hours. Mike Dever said he would consider creating the board if there were significant amount of interest from the community to do so and if the board weren't duplicative of current outreach efforts. Commissioner Boog Highberger said he was interested in the idea as long as the board had a clear set of guidelines. But he also said the board likely wouldn't be one of his "higher priorities" in a second term.

On other issues:

¢ The candidates expressed varying levels of support for the city's existing living wage ordinance, which requires companies that receive city tax abatements to pay all of their employees a wage equal to 130 percent of the federal poverty level for a family of three. This year that amounts to $10.73 per hour. None of the candidates specifically said the living wage ordinance should be repealed.

But Chestnut stopped short of saying that he supported the policy of automatically rejecting tax abatement requests from companies that do not pay every employee a living wage. He said looking at whether a company met the living wage standard should be a factor, but should not be the "overarching factor" in the decision-making process.

Dever and Bush also stopped short of saying they liked the living wage ordinance, but both said they would not support changing the city's ordinance because they thought it was important that the community not constantly change its economic development rules.

Highberger, Maynard-Moody and Schauner all expressed strong support for the living wage ordinance.

¢ Highberger made a point to tell the audience that some candidates in the race had accepted campaign contributions from individuals who are part of a lawsuit suing the city over its refusal to issue a building permit for a Wal-Mart at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive. Highberger said he was not trying to question the character or integrity of any of the candidates, but said he thought it was important that it be pointed out to voters in the interest of full disclosure.

Bush, Chestnut and Dever all listed on previous campaign finance reports that they've received donations from individuals who have an ownership interest in the disputed property at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive.

After the forum, Bush, Chestnut and Dever each said they had done nothing wrong in accepting such donations because campaign contributions do not influence their stance on issues.

Bush said he did take some offense at Highberger's comments, which were made during the response to a question that was not directly related to Wal-Mart or campaign finances.

"Too often there have been a couple of candidates who have suggested if you are not giving money to their campaigns but instead are giving money to someone else's campaign, that you're doing something wrong," Bush said.

The forum was sponsored by the Voter Education Coalition, a group of organizations and businesses that have banded together to host candidate forums.


Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

Lets not forget Jack Rose developer.Boogy could you be doing the secret hand shake with developers.I KNOW HE IS new name SLICK BOOGY

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

Boogs Contributors are on his web site ...FYI

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

SCHAUNER AND BOOG why didnt you tell the people you are liars that you just made the numbers up about creating 1800 jobs when infact you lost 1000 jobs and had no gain at all

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

and dont call me a complainer just stating the facts jack and you and groupies dont like it, to bad,will keep telling the truth

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

print all you want SCHAUNER AND BOOG LIED TO THE PEOPLE they have brought nothing to lawrence they lost 1000 JOBS NO GAIN

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

Some of the daily big complainers on this very site do not live in Douglas County much less Lawrence,Kansas.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

THATS MY point they didnt gain any jobs they lost 1000 jobs so that makes them liars even with your jacked up smoke and mirror numbers they lost NOT GAINED COPY AND PASTE ALL YOU WANT THERE LIARS

tribalzendancer 10 years, 8 months ago

these boards have been completely co-opted by paid bloggers representing some fairly obvious monetary interests. when will the madness end?

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

MR COPY PASTE ALL YOU WANT it dosnt change the fact that your group lied for political gain 1000 jobs LOST SMART GROWTH IS NO GROWTH DEPARTMENT OF LABOR PROVES THAT

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

You my son are very mis informed I do live here and pay taxes.The last two years 1000 jobs gone NO GAIN AT ALL THAT MEANS THEY ARE LIARS THEY SAID IT AND PRINTED IT SAYING THEY BROUGHT 1800 JOBS AND THAT IS A LIE

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

BOOGY you got money from the owner of peoples bank Wint Winter that loans money to all the developers,builders and the walmart people.Just thought all the voters know in full disclosure that you lie and have your hands on both sides

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

Source: KU Professor

Quick summary:

Job Growth Rates:

Jobs in Lawrence are growing over time, not declining.

Job counts fluctuate, thus is easy to be fooled about a short-term decline.

The job growth rate is greater than the population growth rate, thus it is adequate.


The wages in Lawrence are growing faster than inflation, which is good.

The wages are low compared to elsewhere, causing workers to look elsewhere.

The real economic development problem is the wage level not the job growth rate.

Retail development:

From 1995 to 2005, retail space expanded at 3 times the growth in retail spending.

During these years, the City added over 800,000 square feet of surplus space, a scale comparable to adding another downtown.

The City is confronting proposals that continue this pace of overbuilding, which is harmful to the City.


Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

What is the growth rate of jobs in Lawrence?

The Kansas Department of Labor provides several estimates of the size of labor force and the number of jobs. These numbers are not reported at the city level. They are reported for metropolitan areas; Douglas County is the Lawrence Metropolitan Area.

The number of jobs in Douglas County is growing at 0.7 percent per year from 2000 through 2005. This figure counts only non-farm jobs but excludes the self-employed,

The claim is made that jobs have been lost. This is correct if one picks a peak year in the past (e.g.: 2001) and compares it to a recent trough year (e.g.: 2006, which is only partially reported to date). However, the trend over time is for the number of jobs to grow.

How does the growth in jobs compare to the growth in population?

The job growth rate at 0.7 percent per year is equal to or greater than the population growth rate (0.4 to 0.6 percent).

While the job growth rate is low, it compares favorably with the population growth rate. If jobs grow faster than population, then the community must import labor.

A note of caution must be taken as the population growth rates are subject to some error and the count of jobs is subject of definitional problems. For example, the count of jobs does not include self-employed persons, federal employees, and a list of other occupations.

How do wages in Lawrence compare to wages elsewhere?

Wages in Lawrence are low, $28,450 in 2005.

Average annual wages in Lawrence are 84 percent of the statewide average ($33,844).

Average annual wages in Lawrence are 70 percent of the average for the Kansas part of the Kansas City metropolitan area ($40,698).

After inflation, Lawrence wages are growing at 0.4 percent per year, but this is below the 0.6 percent per year statewide.

Is Lawrence becoming a commuter city?

The percentage of workers in Lawrence who commute out-of-county to work is 22 percent, well below the national average of 27 percent and on a par with the state at 23 percent.

This percentage is rising over time indicating that Lawrence is losing its advantage as workers increasingly choose to commute.


The job growth rate is adequate as it meets, even exceeds, the population growth rate.

Wages are low. While workers are enjoying real growth in wages (wages are rising faster than inflation), their wages are far below those of other areas.

This wage penalty reduces the attractiveness of Lawrence as workers can get a raise by living elsewhere or by commuting outside of the area.

Economic development should focus on the real problem, low wages, not job growth rates.

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

ob growth Thursday, March 22, 2007

To the editor:

Misinformation blossoms like spring dandelions during election season. Unfortunately, once erroneous ideas take hold, they become very hard to uproot. Let me try.

In recent letters, Deb Passig and Dwayne Peaslee have both suggested that the current City Commission has stymied job growth, among other alleged failings. Some commission candidates have been making the same assertion.

The fact is exactly the opposite. According to the city's partner in economic development efforts, jobs in Lawrence have grown steadily over the last four years when compared to the years immediately preceding them. Let me quote from an article in the most recent (March 2007) Chamber Newsletter, titled, "And the Progress Continues": "The Kansas Department of Labor indicates even stronger economic development performance for the community during 2006. Civilian job growth in Douglas County/ Lawrence has outstripped Topeka, Kansas City, Johnson County and the state's employment growth rate."

Let's review: According to the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce, under the current City Commission, job growth has shown steady and strong progress and produced a better performance in 2006 than even our famously pro-growth Johnson County neighbors.

Can we agree to pluck this "unfriendly-to-employers" weed and decide the election on the basis of real issues?

David Dunfield,

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

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Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

To the editor:

I am fascinated by the term "development community," used frequently in the Journal-World and most recently in Chad Lawhorn's article about the candidate debate sponsored by Grassroots Action. This innocuous-sounding term seems to embrace developers, builders, real estate speculators and the like. By normal journalistic ethical standards, when using such a term, the Journal-World should always disclose the interests of its own parent company, which uses the megalomaniac moniker "The World Company" to indicate its apparent ambitions, including in real estate and "development."

I believe a better and no more biased term for this "community" would be the one coined by sociologist William Domhoff in his book, "Who Rules America Now?" Domhoff uses the term "power elite" to refer to the "growth coalitions" that dominate local governments with the same sense of ownership displayed by the "corporate community" at the national level. These groups do form a kind of "community," but their interests do not correspond with those of the community as a whole.

Rather, the power elite uses political power to enhance its private profits. That the local media are monopolized by those private interests should not only raise our concern about the health of our democracy, but should also encourage us to join groups like Grassroots Action to build a counter-hegemony to the power elite.

Stu Shafer,


Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

Every community on the planet loses jobs and gains jobs throughout any given period. You cannot blame city commissioners for for losing a company that pulled up stakes when the tax abatement expired. That situation supports many who question the use of tax abatements or the abuse of tax abatements.

Even of you could blame commissioners that would make Commissioner Sue Hack one of the worst for she has been there longer and you would also need to blame Mike Amyx. Rob Chestnut compared Lawrence to cities that are actually part of big cities that which Lawrence is not and certainly alters the demographics a great deal.

Boog and Schauner were no where around when the American Eagle deal surfaced and selected Ottawa because land and construction costs were so inflated by our local real estate and development industry. They found a better deal on an EXISTING warehouse. Douglas County Development Inc/East Hills Business Park wanted too much money. It was a very smart move on the part of American Eagle.

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

The bottom line: Is Lawrence becoming a commuter city?

The percentage of workers in Lawrence who commute out-of-county to work is 22 percent, well below the national average of 27 percent and on a par with the state at 23 percent.

This percentage is rising over time indicating that Lawrence is losing its advantage as workers increasingly choose to commute.


The job growth rate is adequate as it meets, even exceeds, the population growth rate.

Wages are low.  While workers are enjoying real growth in wages (wages are rising faster than inflation), their wages are far below those of other areas.

This wage penalty reduces the attractiveness of Lawrence as workers can get a raise by living elsewhere or by commuting outside of the area.

Economic development should focus on the real problem, low wages, not job growth rates.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

SCHAUNER,BOOG,RUNDLE,AND MOODY are prime reasons smart growth,dumb growth,retarded growth dosnt work.Merrill can you afford a 400.000 house

sourpuss 10 years, 8 months ago

I don't think it matters much who is in the City Commission. I don't know of many businesses that decide to put up shop based on a couple of low-rent local politicians who could just as well be out of office before you get your plant built.

Seems to me like the Chamber of Commerce isn't doing THEIR job in attracting the TYPE of business we want here. It is all well and good to get Wal-Marts and Burger Kings, but we can't have an economy based on serving each other stuff.

If you all want to convince yourself that these five people can magically make good jobs for the city, I've got a bridge for sale...

roger_o_thornhill 10 years, 8 months ago

Look at the one-trick-pony. FYI ALL POLITICIANS LIE ALL THE TIME. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

abby 10 years, 8 months ago

I agree with you sourpuss to an extent. But... this commission has certainly sent an unfriendly tone to any business that would consider coming to Lawrence. A new commission could change that tone to a receptive ear to new opportunities and that can make a difference! Boog and Schauner can say what they want about wanting job growth but the tone they have set on this commission speaks volumes that they are truly no growth and unfriendly to even hearing about opportunities. Most times, their minds are made up before an idea can be presented.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago


jafs 10 years, 8 months ago

Please read the article on jobs:

Chamber of Commerce cites about 1800 new jobs (gross figure does not include losses).

Douglas County has an "average" loss of 900 jobs.

It is very hard to know what to make of these figures.

Candidates that state the Chamber figures are not lying.

I would very much like to see net figures for Lawrence before forming an opinion about this issue, and suggest the same for others.

altarego 10 years, 8 months ago

"Source: KU Professor"

Packs about as much punch as "Source: Online Encyclopedia"

The "Living Wage" issue is a non-issue. Personally, I wouldn't want city functionaries going through my companies books or payroll records for any reason. Every bone head wants to run every company around here.

Having said that, I hope ya'll realize that the American Eagle loss is no loss at all. Thats the place where they take the "Made in Malaysia" stickers off and put the "Made in USA" stickers on.

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

very poor headline!

once again, Merrill cut/and/paste is at it one poster recently asked, is Merrill software that just spams the board with liberal crap? paraphrased.

"living wage" doesn't make sense because some jobs are simply not worth $11 per hour, they don't make that plus overhead for the employer. and, not everybody working at $7-$11 is trying to live independently on it, as the bleeding heart examples imply. this community's pay is lower than the rest of KS...DUH! there's a university in this town full of STUDENTS who often work to SUPPLEMENT their income at $7-$11 per hour jobs. nothing wrong with that!!!

last night was a good forum. all the candidates (except Boog) were well behaved and respectful.

candidates need to rethink their opposition to a new format of city commission in which commissioners represent their own districts of lawrence. I believe infrastructure would be cared for much better as now in the "at large" system, some parts of town don't seem to get represented as equally as others.

WWoftheW 10 years, 8 months ago

The fact that Mike Dever used a down slope in an upward movement towards job growth shows how low he will go to impune the presents City Commission including Sue Hack who has been a chamber spokes person for years. Check the chambers website and you will see that there are peaks and valleys throughout any upward movement nationwide, but to pick a specific low just to get votes is unaccpectable politicing.

WWoftheW 10 years, 8 months ago

Why would the chamber not record the jobs that they brought to town and only jobs that anyone has who lives here?

deec 10 years, 8 months ago "Despite vocal opposition, Lawrence city commissioners approved the abatement. American Eagle later chose to build its distribution center in Ottawa instead." So how is American Eagle the fault of the current commission, which wasn't seated at the time the tax abatement was GRANTED?

cognizant 10 years, 8 months ago

Merrill, Source: KU Professor Don't you mean; Associate Professor Kirk McClure The KU employ with lots of time for politics.

He's a P.L.C. organizer (2002), a Grassroots organizer, a virulent anti-developer spokesperson, a recruiter and advisor to anti-growth city commissioners and planning commissioners.

For over 15 years he's made appearances at city and planning meeting as a self-styled expert on any and all development and job formations. He writes or emails the city staff, planning commissioners and city commissioners opposing land development use issues, retail, commercial developments, tax abatement proposals, and lately even residential projects.

Interestingly in one of the post is the admission that jobs have been lost in the last few years contrary to Schauner and Highberger's assurances that they aided in adding 1800 jobs in 2005 and 2006.

However, the balance of his posts has a number of errors, for example:

  1. 2006 employment numbers are fully reported, even January 2007 are available,

  2. Job growth figures for non-farm jobs does include self employed working

  3. The trend over time is to gain jobs; certainly, if you go back far enough, say to 1910. More recently jobs have been lost. A net loss of 1000 jobs in just two years.

  4. Kirk McClure is using outdated U.S. Census numbers to calculate population growth rates.

The good associate professor's goal is clearly to stop growth. The tactics of using out dated or incomplete statistics, selected information from unreliable sources to attempt to justify the predetermined goal.

WWoftheW 10 years, 8 months ago

THe chamber said that the 2006 employment numbers are not available in the paper. Kirk has always noted that self employment is NOT factored in.
Again your number of 1000 jobs lost is becuase of the peaks and lows that growth goes through and a specific low was misused for this data. Pick - say - January when the college kids leave town and quit their jobs for a month. Your misquotes and miscalulations in order to smear someone who facts are based on facts and not on specifically pick data only shows how low you will go to try and prove a falsehood as fact.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

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Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

Melinda glad to see you're back and trying to cover for boog and schauners lying to the people. but anyway you spin it no jobs were created, and 1000 jobs were LOST.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

Kirk McClure AKA Mr doom and gloom the sky is falling hurry get my tin foil hat as for you you cant change the fact that SCHAUNER,BOOG, AND RUNDLE LOST JOBS LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN LOST JOBS LIARS

WWoftheW 10 years, 8 months ago

First of all, I am not Melinda and second of all me thinks you doth protest to loud.

deec 10 years, 8 months ago

If corporations choose to locate offshore or leave town when their tax abatements end, this is a decision over which local governments have little control. While local governments can opt to offer further taxpayer subsidies to businesses in order to bribe them to stay, they cannot compete with offshore facilities that do not mandate our federal minimum wage, workers' rights, or environmental controls. Further, local governments have little control over corporate decisions to eliminate jobs in order to maximize CEO's wage and incentive packages.

Apparently NO businesses have opened in Lawrence in the last four years. If they have, these businesses are self-running, with no workers needed. Granted retail and service sector jobs are not ideal in terms of wages and benefits, but they are, nevertheless, jobs.

Also, punctuation. Its a good thing.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

DOL stats say 1000 in the bad not 1800 in the good in the paper and on post cards I wonder where they got that great idea of post cards but back to the issue SCHAUNER AND BOOG HAVE LIED BIG AND IT WILL COST THEM VOTES.What are they going to say sorry were stupid

deec 10 years, 8 months ago

Rabid repetition of the same post is not the same thing as a reasoned argument.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

its very important to me and alot of other people that this stays important because of people like you and others that try to put spin on it BOOG AND SCHAUNER ARE LIARS

deec 10 years, 8 months ago

Name calling and repeating the same run-on sentence with capital letters. That's sort of like making an argument and refuting facts, but different.

Pessimist 10 years, 8 months ago

No, the current commission was not seated when American Eagle chose to locate in Franklin County.

Does anyone remember Bob Schumm's campaign commercial that basically implied that he (and his group of supporters) didn't want their jobs here?

That is the reputation this community has. If you are for no growth, you can't be for new jobs.

And, the problem with the wages here is the type of work we have. The jobs we have in this town don't justify higher wages.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

and look who bob schumms supports the liars about jobs,ok what jobs have they brought Pessimist you tell us

WWoftheW 10 years, 8 months ago

The only spinning going is the spin doctors themselves - Dever, Bush and Chestnut with their false facts and their wolf in sheeps clothing neighborhood friendly attitude. If you are so fearful of the facts and prefer the lies that is your problem.

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago

Truth is the current commission is responsible. [Dec 11,2003- look it up.] American Eagle only wanted to start wages at 8.80 an hour. But what was failed to report that after 30 you got a raise,after 9 months a raise, 1 year another raise. And what great wages they are compared to Lawrence now. But the city stood on the $9 mark with no give. Now those employees earn $14 hour. Franklin County has a better tax base so they don't have to give out incredible property tax bill. Sad.

The major cities in Douglas county are Lawrence, Eudora, Baldwin and Lecompton. The list their businesses at their chamber sites. Eudora lost M-Pact, but we lost Kingston Printing to that site. One must assume that the major of manufacturing jobs are in Lawrence. They have to be. If the Department of Labor says job loss to Douglas county then Lawrence lost most-it has to.

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago

But it's ok we have bunches of retail and restaurant jobs to make it up. And we have bunches of new houses for those people and we are going to build a $30 library and laugh daily with the dadaisms. We're going to have to laugh.

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago

Correction: $30 million library. speed demon got me.

shockchalk 10 years, 8 months ago

458casul is right on the money. It's time for change and we desperately need to get rid of Boog, Schauner, and Rundle. The good news is, it looks like we will!!!!!

i_have_only_valid_opinions 10 years, 8 months ago

Someone give 458casul a valium and a pencil so he/she can sign up for anger management classes. And please hurry, I'm tired of hearing the same one line argument over and over!

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

WWoftheW your so fine you blow my mind,spin on this your people blew it and you cant stand it that they have done nothing but spend money and lie ,enlighten me what has Chestnut,Dever,andBush lied about

i_have_only_valid_opinions 10 years, 8 months ago

All good ideas, 458casul. And throw in a spelling and grammar class while you're at it.

Since we all seem to be content on having half ass city management, why not vote Marion in. He seems to be good at half assin' through life (read: how many businesses have you started and run into the ground in your life?). I guess that's how it's done here. Too bad.

i_have_only_valid_opinions 10 years, 8 months ago

No thanks. I was not shouting in CAPS like someone else. Very calm. Not angry. Just honest and upfront about things. Thank you so much for the offer though.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

you mean like this hold your ears dont want you to here the truth,SCHAUNER AND BOOG HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR LAWRENCE AND ARE LIARS that felt good

i_have_only_valid_opinions 10 years, 8 months ago

Exactly! Get it all out of your system before going to Anger Anonymous. Come out a new person!

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

Trust me it will all be gone when those three leave office

dadaism 10 years, 8 months ago

Merrill you seem to be the collector as well as the purveyor of misinformation:. an example is Dunfields inaccurate letter about Douglas County's job growth. Dunfield fertilized the "unfriendly to employer weed" when he was a commissioner.

Examples: Douglas County Development wanted to expand the East Hills Business Park in 2000. Dunfield and Rundle voted against expanding the UGA for East Hills. Dunfield and Rundle voted against annexation of 88 acres into the city at East Hills. Dunfield and Rundle voted against zoning an East Hill site for a major industrial user. And who do you think spoke against the expansion of East Hill from the crowd "Cary Maynard Moody 1645 Barker.

Dunfield and Rundle later teamed up to stop the Home Depot project.

Consider the positive effect to the trade area of having Home Depot, Best Buy, On the Border, and Longhorns plus addition shops on the real estate tax rolls paying sales tax to the city, providing jobs, goods, and services to Douglas County shoppers.

If there is a major development in Lawrence that Dunfield and Rundle supported I'll research it and get back to you later:

deec 10 years, 8 months ago

How could the journal world have an article dated regarding American Eagle moving to Ottawa in spite of offered tax abatements if this decision was not made until Dec 11, 2003?

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago can give a man food, but if you teach him how to grow it. Proof there are many,many people who can find it out for themselves. And they do.

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago

"...decision was not made until Dec 11, 2003?" AE approached Ottawa in August of 2003 to see what they wanted if they moved there but they continued to make requests to your city commission through Dec of 2003----request denied.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

dadaism thats perfect and your so on the money.Lets lie and tell everyone about how they stole peanuts from the kids dam thats not a lie

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

thats right they paid 2500 to have stump betty live in that tree we thew soap at her thats a great point crazys will do anything to get elected BOOG,SCHAUNER,RUNDLE,DUMBFEILD

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

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Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

The real estate development industry is giving heavily to Chestnut, Dever and Bush and not giving to Schauner, Highberger and Maynard-Moody.

The real estate contributors include:

Parties suing the City over the Wal-Mart development at 6th and Wakarusa.

Parties who have development plans that will go before the City Commission in the near future.

Political Action Committees for the realtors and varous building contractors.

The contributions have pushed Chestnut and Dever to the top in terms of most dollars raised. Their contributions tend to be large thus, the percentage of contributions from the real estate industry is larger than the percent of contributions.

The UNPLANNED growth machine is working hard to buy this election. Let's get enough votes to protect our city from excessive development. We want planned growth, not developer driven growth.

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

merrill they are free to give, and don't deserve to be demonized for making political contributions, which are a form of constitutionally protected speech.

my suggestion to you Merrill, ditch the anti-free market liberal spouting. take all that time and energy you waste spouting all that, and go and earn more money by the sweat of your brow. then, use some of your earned wealth to give to the candidates you support because they share your views. then, I will demonize you for giving so much and imply there's some evil intent. okay?

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

Taxpayers get stuck with paying for maintenance of all new infrastructure which is why new housing does not cover the cost of community services. Each new home adds to the cost of community services = more taxes for homeowners. Over built residential drives down the value of homes which is happening as we speak which could increase taxes.

Over built retail does not generate revenue enough to cover the cost of community services nor does it generate the level of sales tax projected/necessary. The only industry that makes money is the real estate industry. Over built retail means spaces sit empty not generating revenue or jobs and comes back on the taxpayer. Every community needs each retail space to generate maximum revenue.

Just because speculators purchase property does not guarantee that construction will be allowed for it is NOT the duty of the taxpayer or local government to maximize profits for speculators. Speculating=gambling. Land speculators know these things.

Every home,office or retail space that sits empty is a tax burden on property owners.

Growth and sprawl are expensive drains on capital budgets and tax dollars.

Sprawl is inherently harmful to the environment.

Growth needs to be confined to developed areas already served by public facilities and mass transit in order to keep the cost of community services contained.

Growth and sprawl consume land and spoil natural landscapes. Green space cost taxpayers nothing!

Richard Heckler 10 years, 8 months ago

Additional development can often cost local governments more money than it generates. Communities will use protection of open spaces as a means to avoid having to extend sewer lines and build new schools and infrastructure thus avoiding tax increases.

With land conservation generally a whole community benefits because it gives people access to nature. It helps to keep energy costs down, improves the air quality and it can avoid or at least minimize traffic congestion.

jafs 10 years, 8 months ago

The figures on job gains and losses are hard to interpret.

Overall, Lawrence had a gain of about 1800 jobs, which didn't include losses (Chamber of Commerce).

Douglas County had an "average" loss of 900 jobs.

What happened in Lawrence is by no means clear.

And, why is it that some people feel the need to SHOUT all of their comments?

jafs 10 years, 8 months ago

A few thoughts:

If Lawrence is such a desirable place to live, why are there so many vacant houses on the market and vacant apartments/houses for rent?

Why do people seem to think we MUST grow?

If it is acceptable to put policies into place that make it easier for development to occur, why isn't is acceptable to do the opposite? Neither one of these scenarios is neutral.

Having lived in the area for about 10 years, I can say that it isn't clear to me that Lawrence is a better place to live than it was 10 years ago. It is different - there have been benefits and drawbacks to the growth.

jafs 10 years, 8 months ago


It is the most significant election at the local level.

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago

Thanks hawk I was commenting on 'dadaisms 5:37 post, and I stand corrected, your quote is much much better. People who take the time to look back at facts,whether printed or said will figure it out. I hope.

KsTwister 10 years, 8 months ago

Thanks reality, I went out to look for myself. Type in Lawrence and fly all you want. I found another subdivision I didn't know about too.|-95.098901&style=h&lvl

Come fly with me.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

ok lets go there look who got the big barn approved that is 3/4 vacant and is the uglyest sight with a church and a bike shop the three stooges who turned down cracker barrel next to tanger the three stooges,want to keep going BOOG SCAUNER LIARS

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

I print the truth and you cant take the truth evil you

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

apparently, GM is at least reading 458C's words! funny how the leftists always want to stop free speech that they don't like.

I see since I was here last, Merrill has downloaded some more biosolids. he writes as if he were an authority, cut and paste, and doesn't engage other posters, presuming himself to be above the stinking rabble.

it is pretty clear given the DOL figures, for DG co, that Lawrence lost jobs. no way to sugar-coat/spin that one away. and that was on the three amigo's watch. bye-bye.

the best they can do is put out cards/flyers that try pretty hard to imply some evil intent and evil practices by their opponents. sad. sign of desperation. ah, the good ship PLC/GRA must have hit an iceberg and capn boog is yelling all he can. first officer Schauner is bailing out the lies. and the best that Ydoom-dranyam can do is place enviro scare tv ads to run for the city commish on a blame-mankind-for-global-warming [the sky is falling!] concept. desperation desperation.

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

okay, GM, I think you need a new foil hat.

Liberal, according to these folks developers are by their very nature evil despicable creatures. yet, they live in homes built by developers! may drive every day on roads built by developers. have family living in developer-built homes. oh, I fergut maybe they all live in trailers? or tents? or maybe they live out of a van that drives around and around roundabouts looking for a center, any center?

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

again, the evil implied to BCD when the good ship PLC/GRA is sinking. ydoom-dranyam is using global warming scare tactics in her ads. nasty mailings for the other two Boog/Schauner.

desperation. desperation. Lawrence will not be swayed by such negative campaigning and stinking mud slinging.

Bush Chestnut Dever good guys deserve to be honestly considered without the stinking mud.

Michael Capra 10 years, 8 months ago

Schauner said to paper,,Im sorry for wasting millionand lying to the people of lawrence Im checking into rehab.

Boog says to the paper,,Im glad I could ripoff,cheat and lie to the people of lawrence.And I wont check into any rehab for what

COOL back away from the bong

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

these boards have been completely co-opted by paid bloggers representing some fairly obvious monetary interests. when will the madness end?

ridiculous! I for one have never received a cent and wouldn't take one for posting here. seems, because you can't deal with the opposing position your only recourse is to put it down with a senseless slur.

again, what I said before, the good ship PLC/GRA is getting pretty desperate to resort to this kind of stinking mud throwing and implying evil motives of its opposition. no one should vote for High-burger, yDOOM-dranyam, and Schauner just for this reason alone. if you vote for these you are rewarding this bad behavior which is plainly against the spirit of american democracy.

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