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March 27, 2007

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Lawrence man charged with felony aggravated assault after early morning disturbance

Twenty-seven year old Aubrey Gilbert had his first court appearance today stemming from charges from an incident that happened early Sunday morning in downtown Lawrence. Enlarge video

A 27-year-old Lawrence man was charged with felony aggravated assault Monday for having a gun during a disturbance early Sunday in the 700 block of Massachusetts Street.

Aubrey E. Gilbert was being held in the Douglas County Jail on $10,000 bond following an appearance before Judge Pro Tem Peggy Kittel.

The disturbance broke out between groups of people shortly after 2 a.m., according to police reports. Police gave the following account:

A crowd of people gathered around a pickup truck and were banging on it. An officer saw one man step in front of the truck as the driver attempted to drive away. The man was struck and run over by the truck.

The officer motioned for the truck to stop and people again gathered around it and attempted to get inside the truck. The officer tried to keep the crowd of up to 30 people away as other officers arrived to assist. The truck was driven away but was stopped by police at 10th and Indiana streets.

The man who was hit by the truck, identified as Gilbert, was found sitting in a vehicle on Massachusetts Street after the incident. He refused medical treatment.

Officers found Gilbert wearing an empty pistol holster and a handgun was found under the seat of the car he was sitting in. He also became "verbally abusive" with officers, authorities said. When Gilbert was being placed under arrest, bystanders ran toward police and had to be controlled by other officers.

A passenger in the truck that had driven away later told police that Gilbert pointed a gun at them and that was why they were trying to drive away from the area. The driver of the truck was not arrested. An investigation is continuing.

Two other people were arrested for unlawful assembly. They were released and are to appear in Municipal Court next month.

Police spokesman Sgt. Paul Fellers said officers dealt with a "very tense incident" involving a crowd and a gun.

"We received little, if any, cooperation from the crowd of people involved," he said.

Gilbert is to appear Monday before Judge Jack Murphy for scheduling of a preliminary hearing.

Comments

Sigmund 10 years, 8 months ago

A $30 million Library downtown would have solved this problem, yes sirree. Seriously, great work by the police. This officer could have easily been hurt by the crowd. Throw the book at all three of these idiots.

doc1 10 years, 8 months ago

Sounds like the Thai House is the new Last Call.

Godot 10 years, 8 months ago

What really happened? Why were the people in the truck being attacked? What affiliation did the people in the attacking group have with one another? Where is Nancy Grace when we need her?

Dixie Jones 10 years, 8 months ago

if they would put more roundabouts in this wouldnt happen.....what happened to the fun downtown lawrence i remember when i was a teen.....

collin2006 10 years, 8 months ago

More "drunken rabble?" Hmmmm, seems as though this time it might be home grown and not from Johnson County. Perhaps not all Lawrence's problems originate in some other place. Could it be? Naaaaaaa, just a silly thought.

thomgreen 10 years, 8 months ago

If it was me in that truck and those people were trying to break in my truck, there'd be more than one person ran over.
Kudos on the police for not letting this get out of hand even more.

commonsense 10 years, 8 months ago

The Thai House is the new and improved Last Call, because they do not check people at the door. Apparently weapons are easier to conceal at this new downtown Hip Hop site. When I asked an officer the other day what percentage of the trouble comes from Lawrence, he said less than 20% on average. He stated that (on average), 80% of the time it's Topeka and the Greater KC Metro. And this does not mean just the trouble makers who are arrested, it's the ID checks in the bar that show where everyone is coming from.

Flap Doodle 10 years, 8 months ago

That's what the current law says, cool. Guess somebody didn't pay any attention to that.

oldgoof 10 years, 8 months ago

This observer has been hearing that the Thai house has become a magnet for trouble for a number of months. .. stay tuned.

jafs 10 years, 8 months ago

We need to get serious about making downtown safe again.

Jamesaust 10 years, 8 months ago

I predict that the concealed-carry crowd will move on to their next logical target: legalizing the installation of machine guns on trucks (a la 'Rat Patrol'). (Certainly would have helped here, no?)

I also predict that the City Commission will again fail to take any action to 'take back' downtown (at least until a gun battle erupts on the steps of City Hall).

adky 10 years, 8 months ago

"Unlawful assembly"? So any time LPD want to arrest two or more people they can come up with this? I never knew standing on the street with a group of friends was unlawful activity. Only in Lawrence!

commonsense 10 years, 8 months ago

Posted by Jamesaust (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I predict that the concealed-carry crowd will move on to their next logical target: legalizing the installation of machine guns on trucks (a la 'Rat Patrol'). (Certainly would have helped here, no?)"

Jamesaust,

Do you really believe these people have concealed carry ID's? Not a chance. Thugs, plain and simple...

Linda Endicott 10 years, 8 months ago

Would you rather they had been arrested for interefering in police business, or terroristic threats, or aiding and abetting?

They tried to stop the police officers from doing their jobs. They could have been charged with much worse. And I'm sorry, if the only point of their "assembly" was to harass other people, that's not a good reason.

If they had truly just been standing there, instead of putting their noses in police business, they probably wouldn't have been charged with anything.

commonsense 10 years, 8 months ago

It's not mentioned in the paper. But work at a bar downtown and you will know the type of music played at every venue. Go to the Thai House and you will be factually aware that the music scene is Hip Hop.
If these instances were occuring at The Cadillac Ranch, I would have stated the venue as a Country Music Site. Simmer down Scenebooster...

Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 10 years, 8 months ago

I predict that the concealed-carry crowd will move on to their next logical target: legalizing the installation of machine guns on trucks.

Actually the only weapon that caused harm in this case was a truck. Trucks should therefore be banned and Chevy should be sued for allowing such deadly weapons on the streets.

bearded_gnome 10 years, 8 months ago

"We received little, if any, cooperation from the crowd of people involved," he said.

fine, upstanding citizenry. night, downtown, its like an invading army takes over.

so far, the measures to try to make things safer downtown don't seem effective.

how about installing water cannon on rooves of strategicly placed buildings.

instead of a "bigger truck," truck needed to be equipped with that south african flame projector, or maybe some of the james bond cool car accessories like the knives that project from the wheels.

50MM machinegun...or 37MM minicannon. would clear crowd of these thugs very well.

Cherisa Jones 10 years, 8 months ago

In Lawrence, the LPD can complain the crowd was very uncooperative. But when citizens ask for clarification, ask for help from the LPD they can be uncooperative and its called - in the line of duty. Why didn't the article address who the football players in the truck were? How many times have these guys been involved in starting fights??? Nope, that wasn't mentioned. Why weren't their names given? And to the JW, was the car parked at the location? If the gun was in the car? How did the gun get from being pointed at the "innocent poor drivers" in the truck to under the car seat? Oh, I guess the LPD allowed Mr. Gilbert to get to his car?! Unfortunately, in 2007, in downtown Lawrence, if you want to "party" go to one of the so-called non hip-hop bars drink beer and be sure to be blonde and blue-eyed. If you're brown, downtown ... LOOK OUT!! THe LPD is watching you!

adky 10 years, 8 months ago

If they were interfering with police business, or making terroristic threats, then charge them with that. Of course LPD would have to come up with the evidence. "Unlawful assembly" just seems like another step along the road towards a police state. That may be a goal for LPD and its supporters, but I don't want to live there!

Linda Endicott 10 years, 8 months ago

Sounds to me like you just want to make excuses for a bunch of people who were acting like thugs.

Berserk 10 years, 8 months ago

Cwriter wrote: "If you're brown, downtown ... LOOK OUT!! THe LPD is watching you!"

Racial profiling works. Deal with it.

Flap Doodle 10 years, 8 months ago

"why not ask your precious KU football players that started the fight what happened?" You were there & saw that with your own eyes? Or can we file that under hearsay?

9999 10 years, 8 months ago

Where does LJW get their information? The people in the truck ran in him over after they started a fight besides the fight that was already going on. No gun was involved and people didn't rush the truck until they ran someone over. And the other two people that got arrested didn't rush police when they were trying to arrest the man with the gun. One was involved in an altercation blocks away and the other was really just in the vicinity.

MyName 10 years, 8 months ago

I. Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

The key word is peaceably my paranoid compatriot (remember, it's shiny side out). If they're banging on someone's car and trying to break in they aren't being peaceful, and the cops can arrest them. It's not like the cops beat up on them or something. Spending the night in a drunk tank may be embarrassing, but it's hardly an abridgement of human rights. Locking people up for good and sending them to an island to be guarded by the military, OTOH...

Jace 10 years, 8 months ago

"tense incident". I like that one.

But not as much as: "person of interest".

9999 10 years, 8 months ago

Could LJW get the ages right? He is not 27 and the female arrested (mentioned in another article) was not 22. Excellent reporting. Bravo.

Berserk 10 years, 8 months ago

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Godot 10 years, 8 months ago

Okay, Hawk, who is this BRAIN? I have a couple of people in mind, just wondered to whom you refer.

Jamesaust 10 years, 8 months ago

common: "Do you really believe these people have concealed carry ID's?"

Of course not. I'm just glad I have my concealed weapon. That solves the problem for me of a little gunplay downtown. It works just like a magic shield, keeping me and mine safe while the bullets whiz past us.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

Commonsense: "If these instances were occuring at The Cadillac Ranch, I would have stated the venue as a Country Music Site. Simmer down Scenebooster..."

You would be wrong there to, or just guessing. The ranch only plays country night once a week, while they play hip-hop/dance the other two nights. I work downtown to and know that even if a bar has a big night with a certain style of music, they are not bound to it.

compmd 10 years, 8 months ago

so 9999, you seem to know a lot about this, so much that sounds like you were involved. have anything else to share?

you do realize that these forums are read by the LPD. don't be surprised if you get a knock on the door from them...

gabbo 10 years, 8 months ago

And watch out folks: The gentlemen that brought hip hop to the Thai House are currently working hard to open Club Axis in the site of the Moon Bar. JR Giddens anybody? Guns and knives, and lions, and tigers, and bears...

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

Reminds me of the South Park episode where they ban religion beacuse it's the focus of all their problems, only to be in war in the future with people who believe in science and those who don't. (something to that effect)

Fights happen. Regardless on venue, alcohol, race, or city of origin.

You can try to focus on one individual problem but it's far beyond one issue and will never be any different. But if blamming music, certain people, or bars helps you sleep at night, go for it.

I'm going to start trying to ban christian music shows, stations and fans beacue I think that music does far more damage then anyother. Who's with me? Let's make Lawrence safe again.

Jamesaust 10 years, 8 months ago

"Fights happen. Regardless on venue, alcohol, race, or city of origin."

Not so. No fights break out at the Mostly Mozart Festival (with a small exception during a nasty National Socialist period).

"That's right, Mr. Winchester. We don't need a sheriff here in Dodge. Fights will happen anyway. Doesn't matter how much liquor we sell. There's no way in tarnation that the farmer and the cowman will be friends."

Forward, Sea Otters!

jeffds01 10 years, 8 months ago

If anybody has looked pasted the concealed carry law, and the fact that it was a hip-hop venue, you would realize this Aubrey Gilbert is a 2002 Free State graduate who we all used to watch on the basketball court, and he of course had chances to do things with his skills beyond high school.

acg 10 years, 8 months ago

I also disagree with the "fights happen" comment. The last few times I went out to a club or bar, it was a mellow jazz/blues environment. Nowhere was anyone pounding on each other, threatening each other with guns or trying to run each other down in trucks. Of course, the music wasn't suggesting anyone "smack their b*tch up" or "kill the police" or anything so the crowd may not have been properly motivated.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

Point remains that once there has been a fight, through out all of time, your arguement is invalid.

Fine I give up, let's all get in line to burn all rap music, but along the way, we'll have to do the same for country, jazz, dance, alternative, rock, and anything else that might envoke some sort of emotional response to music. Then we'll hit the books.

Carry on..

acg 10 years, 8 months ago

Well jester you can be annoyed by the truth or you can call it like it is and be honest with yourself. I'm not a spring chicken. I've been attending concerts, going to clubs and bars and have to every kind of venue imaginable for 20 years. My very first concert was Bon Jovi, Poison and Europe and I've seen everyone from them to Snoop Dogg/Dre, Eminem, Iron Maiden, Clint Black, Dwight Yokum, Garth Brooks, the Spice Girls (not my choice), 311, Sonic Youth, the Bosstones, the list goes on and on. I've seen fist fights between hicks at country bars, fist fights between metal heads at rock shows, fist fights at dance clubs playing top 40, fist fights at a jazz fest once in KC and fist fights between stoners at Sunflower Music Fest. The only time I've ever seen, with my own eyes, guns drawn was at a hard core rap show. Youths at rap shows are way more apt to pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face rather than talk about the problem or even fight it out in a good old fashioned punching match. They act like it makes them a man to gun someone down. Their music and their lifestyle promotes killing people. Their gangs give them "props" for bodies they rack up. They are angry, violent, rude, nasty and hateful. The degrading images of women in their lyrics and videos makes me want to vomit. The "kill the police" attitude they preach in their raps makes a cop wary of approaching them when there's a legal problem. Can you blame a cop for being leery of a group of people that consider it cool to kill a cop and get away with it? I don't want it in my town. I'm not afraid to say it, and no amount of political correct nonsense is going to change my mind.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

"The "kill the police" attitude they preach "

I like how you age yourself. This isn't the late 80's early 90's. The majority of mainstream rap/hip hop is nothing more then bubble gum rap. The music at these clubs is nothing more exciting then what you hear on the radio. There isn't talk of killing people, cops or not, robbing people, and promoting what people should do other then wear Sean john, drink crunk juice and buy some ice'd out jewlery.

That said, undergound music slung outta the back of a car, or even some like tripple 6 mafia, do talk about it, but it's never do, it's i've done, or i'm telling a story. But we don't hear that at the club or on the radio. However, those who are blaming rap musci rarely know anything more then what they have been told by the media and not from experience.

I'd invite you to listen to 103.3 or even 95.7 and actually listen to what they are talking about. And if you get violent, i'll retract my statements.

So, your next point?

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

Well we know why, it's just not said out loud.

acg 10 years, 8 months ago

Aw, jester, you're obviously a child and too immature to open your eyes and look around at what's going on around you. Need me to prove my point? Fine:

50 cent/Busta-Wanksta-repeatedly references shooting people, including the pope, says the "n" word about 100 times.

tupac-life of an outlaw-repeatedly references shooting peope, uses the "n" word about 20 times.

Fabolous-keep it gangsta-references shooting people repeatedly.

Snoop-gangsta s**t-repeatedly references shooting, smacking women and has gun shots as an added bonus in the background.

NAS-death anniversary--repeatedly references shooting people, to the point of having a song that glorifies having a death anniversary.

Now these are just a few, minor minor few, of the top selling rappers/hip-hop artists of the current age. All of them (even Tupac and he's dead) have songs on the current charts. Where's the bubblegum? All I hear is murder. Oh and the N word.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

Scene, you got it right.

You know, i'm sure if this was the 60's, they'd be blaming MoTown.

Crispian Paul 10 years, 8 months ago

Posted by scenebooster (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, commonsense, where is "hip hop" mentioned?

How is music involved in this?

THANK YOU scenebooster. I am so sick of hearing that hip hop music is the cause of all the crime woes in downtown.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

Better yet, how about someone do some research and see what music people listen to vs our murder rate.

Put it all in a nice graph of race, what they listened to, and how they killed.

Serious. Do it.

Crispian Paul 10 years, 8 months ago

This article doesn't even mention Thai House from what I can see so how do you infer that this was related to the Thai House and the type of music they have at night?

Crispian Paul 10 years, 8 months ago

Posted by acg (anonymous) on March 27, 2007 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I also disagree with the "fights happen" comment. The last few times I went out to a club or bar, it was a mellow jazz/blues environment. Nowhere was anyone pounding on each other, threatening each other with guns or trying to run each other down in trucks. Of course, the music wasn't suggesting anyone "smack their b*tch up" or "kill the police" or anything so the crowd may not have been properly motivated.

Actually "Smack my b***h up" is a techno song, but alright.

acg 10 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, should I have said "reached back like a pimp and slapped da ho"? Instead of "smack my b*tch up"? Either way, it's all garbage. Maybe I just think that because I grew up and realized that yes, popular culture does have quite an impact on the upbringing/attitudes/behavior of our youth. When I was a kid, if someone had insinuated that Metallica was at fault for something, my head would've exploded. But now that I'm not a stupid kid anymore and can put two and two together, I've changed my mind. Plus, the kids are getting worse. When I was 16, if there was a problem, people kicked each others ases after school, like normal, instead of gunning each other down in the streets. I'm tired of it. It makes me angry and weary and leery and scared for my own kids, who are still small.

Crispian Paul 10 years, 8 months ago

This argument is hilarious in the sense that, as was said A) the majority of "rap" people listen to now adays is "bubble gum rap" or what I deem "pop hip hop".

and B) Clearly those who think they are "quoting" rap music are either misquoting it, taking it out of context of the song or have never once, in their lives, intentionally listened to rap or hip hop.

Please, please, please listen to acts like the Roots, KRS-One, Common and yes, NAS and really hear the lyrics. The Roots and KRS-One for example lambast the current ideals of the "gangsta rapper".

I can't stand country music, and on first listen, it sounds like drunken, truck driving, backwards hickville, but I also have the wherewithall to know since I don't listen to it, my oppinion is really irrelevant.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

"When I was a kid, if someone had insinuated that Metallica was at fault for something, my head would've exploded. But now that I'm not a stupid kid anymore and can put two and two together, I've changed my mind"

That's funny. It seems as though you were a stronger willed person back then with the ability to think on your own. But now the only courruption is what the biased media tells you.

Fact remains, each person is accountable for their own actions. That's the true problem with America today is that there are 10 people to blame except for the one who actually did it.

jeffds01 10 years, 8 months ago

Either way rap was no the cause of this problem, plain and simple no matter how hard you try to bash the style or genre of music, no where can you prove that "rap" caused it.......

If you have facts that prove it, please, please present them asap and I will retract my statement.

Godot 10 years, 8 months ago

I still wonder what really happened.

Gabe Hoffman 10 years, 8 months ago

We should find out in about 2 weeks per the LJW usual speedy journalism.

Steve Jacob 10 years, 8 months ago

"Either way rap was no the cause of this problem, plain and simple no matter how hard you try to bash the style or genre of music, no where can you prove that "rap" caused it"

I remeber Ted Nugget explaining his music shows filled the crowd with energy and power, but the kids just did not have a very good way to express it, or control it, and trouble would start.

People just need to leave the guns at home, and be the bigger man in disagreements.

9999 10 years, 8 months ago

no, compmd, wasn't there and this is info the police have, it's ljw that can't report accurate facts.

Godot 10 years, 8 months ago

Where is Carrie Nation when we need her?

CLL 10 years, 8 months ago

I am disappointed in Lawrence residents for jumping to such horrible conclusions, I have read these comments and once again the lawrence residents that was there tells a whole different story than what is being told, just once Lawrence KS residents wake up you are being sterotypical, racist, and down right sickening. Another thing it might be a good idea for the JW to get all the story instead of bits and pieces and only print what they want, why not ask your precious KU football players that started the fight what happened?

Gareth Skarka 10 years, 8 months ago

"Ooooh! Save me from the scary brown people!"

Midwesterners crack me up.

Flap Doodle 10 years, 8 months ago

Oh, I read the other story & saw the mention of who was involved. I stand corrected.

jafs 10 years, 8 months ago

I'm 45, white, male, straight, and married, no kids, for those who may care about such things.

Our society is clearly much more violent now than when I was growing up - there's simply no question about that.

That fact is rather upsetting to me, and apparently to many other people.

What can we do about it? When people try to analyze the situation, perhaps they are not trying to assign blame as much as find solutions that can prevent some of the violence.

Violent movies, violent video games, violent music (I do not single out one style), excessive drinking, the changes in corporate culture, the war in Iraq and our reaction to that, bullying in schools/alienated teenagers all seem to me to be contributing factors.

Our culture both reflects and affects personal feelings and behavior - we should think seriously about how we can create a more peaceful society.

If I had children in school, I'd be fearful for their safety in a way which would be unacceptable to me.

Crispian Paul 10 years, 8 months ago

Posted by Marion (Marion Lynn) on March 27, 2007 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem with alcohol abuse is that it runs in families because PEOPLE run in families.

Monkey see; monkey do.

Or not.

In spite of such popular theories, no such hereditary correlation has ever been proven.

Thanks.

Marion.

Actually, Marion, Google "Twin studies", "alcoholism", "drug abuse" and you will find several academic articles that do in fact show a significant correlation between genetic factors and addictions. Twin studies are generally completed while comparing identical and fraternal twins. They usually try to find subjects that did not reside in the same home. At any rate, identical twins are much more likely to be an addict if their twin is and fraternal twins have about the same rate as any other siblings.....

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