Archive for Sunday, March 4, 2007

Final cost

March 4, 2007


To the editor:

What plan does the Bush leadership have for winning the war in Iraq? After more than four years, 3,100 deaths and thousands seriously wounded and maimed, is victory in sight?

We were recently told that an upsurge of 21,000 or more troops would lead to victory in a nation split by sectarian violence, unrest and civil war. As columnist Joe Klein put it, "We are not on the brink of anything except a long, hard slog" (Time, Feb. 19).

More and more, the United States is being forced to go it alone. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has announced the withdrawal of 1,600 British troops within six months and 3,000 by the end of the year. Many other nations, including Japan and Italy, have already pulled out their forces.

Our troops are fighting bravely, but what plan for victory do we have other than sending more troops to fight and die? I think Blair and most of our allies have accepted the reality of the situation, but not our president.

Any talk of withdrawal of U.S. troops is criticized by the administration as undermining the troops. However, Bush overlooks how he has already undermined the troops by going to war without sufficient cause, without sufficient planning and without sufficient equipment for our troops.

What is victory, and what feasible plan does Bush have for winning it? How many more lives will be lost, and what will be the final cost?

Harold Piehler,



Ragingbear 11 years, 3 months ago

Hey. What's the difference between the Vietnam War and the War in Iraq?

Answer: Bush had a clear plan to get out of Vietnam.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 11 years, 3 months ago

He's not president, so it really doesn't matter whether he has a plan. Bush is, and it's clear he never has had a plan, and still doesn't, except to funnel mountains of cash to his friends and family.

paladin 11 years, 3 months ago

There is no leadership or plan and never has been, except to provide opportunity to take, from them and from us. The situation now is what happens when there is a rush to war predicated on spurious motives. Bush's "plan" at this juncture is to skate out of trouble and leave the mess for someone bigger and smarter to clean up, as its always been. He's not real concerned about cost, monetary or in lives, as long as he doesn't suffer, but profits and prospers. As its always been. The cost may well be the ultimate price for this country. Consider the Soviet Union. Bush was elected, twice, and his foolish, illegal, immoral and unjust "war" was almost universally approved of and supported. You should have been paying more attention, because the truth was always there to be perceived. The conflict happening now between Sunni-Shi'a was initiated and promoted as part of the "plan" of the "administration" for creating a situation which would ensure that US presence and involvement would be extended for as long as possible and its influence would be maximized. All for the purpose of increasing the profits of that presence and gaining a lock on control of the resources of the Mideast. The cost to us, in lives and money and possibly in our future, is of little consequence to those really in power, when there are that kind of enormous spoils at stake. The only answer and solution to this horrible mess is for we the people to rise up and demand from our "representatives", who have been and are, regardless of party affiliation, complicit in creating and sustaining this outrageous situation, to bring an expedited end to our presence in Irag as soon as is practically possible.

paladin 11 years, 3 months ago

Getting the hell out of this mess and losing no more young boys' lives is victory enough. No greater victory is possible.

Richard Heckler 11 years, 3 months ago

Paladin is on target. The military wanted no part of an Iraq invasion and occupation. As for the real costs of the war, they could hardly be clearer. Targeted for cutbacks in federal money are virtually all social programs--Medicare and Medicaid, food stamps, housing, job training and child care, education and student loans, environmental protection, public transportation, science research, even veterans' benefits and school funding for children of military personnel.

Also Vets would be better off on medicare or National Health Insurance as Bush reduces funding for their care. There will far more vets seeking care and disability than when he came into office.


We do not need a $2 Trillion fiasco however Bush is on his way:,2763,1681119,00.html

The bottom line is Pres.G.W. Bush has NOT a been a diplomat or a good president.

50YearResident 11 years, 3 months ago

It is my belief that Bush was not legally elected either time but won by manipulating the vote in both elections and getting his brother in Florida to help him carry it out. Remember the Hanging Chads and the Dieabold Voting Machines? Then he and Chaney got us into this war with outright lies to the congress of the United States. The UK was bought as well as all the other countries that joined the coalition. Legal action needs to be started to correct this mess.

Speakout 11 years, 3 months ago

This IS right on Paladin and Merrill. From the beginning, I have said this. There can never be a successful end to something that starts with deception and falsehoods, better known as lies. This president should be impeached and his total cabinet with him. This is outrageous and why are we waiting? We have two week senators who support him, but it is time for the PEOPLE TO SPEAKOUT. So lets all speak out.

News_to_me 11 years, 3 months ago

Beyond the lives lost and the wounded for both The U.S. and Iraq, the psychological toll for our young men and women when they return is immeasurable. They will never be the same again. Whatever victory is achieved will be as empty as the lives of many of those who do survive.

mick 11 years, 3 months ago

Bush is just a puppet of the American Enterprise Institute, just like Reagan was a puppet.

paladin 11 years, 3 months ago

I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Libertarian. I'm not a Socialist. I'm not an Independent. More than that. I'm just ME. What, or who, are you?

cowboy 11 years, 3 months ago

were in alot deeper than any of you might think , the latest reports of missing IRAQ money being funneled to Sunni loyalists in Lebanon , with joint money from the saudis , to make sure that the Shia do not take power anywhere else other than Iran or Iraq , were funneling money to the same f^&kers that fund Al Qaeda. There is no pretty republican victory as an end to this mess. Get them out now , get all of the covert BS stopped and let this region settle into what ever it settles into. Our country is too important to mortgage our security based on the Middle East , spend the time trying to make our oil addiction smaller and if anyone screws with us you can still toss a missle on em if necessary but the lives of our youngest are not worth this.

Bush should be impeached along with his little SS VP.

Michael Throop 11 years, 3 months ago

uhh..the Constitution forbids a president from holding more than two terms. FDR was on his way to becoming President For Life until his death. There was some talk of changing the Constitutional to allow Bill Clinton to run for another term because things were so wonderful. And, conspiracy theorists..the elections were won fair and square,and all your foolishness is getting old.

Jamesaust 11 years, 3 months ago

"What plan does the Bush leadership have for winning the war in Iraq?"

Apparently it involves talking to our enemies even while insisting (like something out of Orwell's '1984') that NO CHANGE in policy exists:

After all, any change in policy would introduce the idea that "The Decider" ever decided anything incorrectly, wouldn't it?

deec 11 years, 3 months ago

If the elections were fair, why were Ohio election officials convicted of fraud?

yellowhouse 11 years, 3 months ago

I saw this on youtube (posted today). I believe it is the video of the fate of the 14 American soldiers taken as hostages by the Iraqi's. I dont imagine that it will be available for viewing very long. This is very sad.

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