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Rude shirts a disservice to KU spirit, group says

March 3, 2007

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A group of Kansas University athletes is hoping a popular T-shirt that disparages the University of Missouri will disappear from the stands at Allen Fieldhouse next basketball season.

KU's Student-Athlete Advisory Committee says it hopes to create and distribute a T-shirt in coming months that will become more popular than the widely worn "Muck Fizzou" shirt. The shirt remains a popular choice of attire for games - even when KU isn't playing Missouri - despite attempts to discourage students from wearing it.

"We're the University of Kansas, and we're classy. We're better than that, quite frankly," said Matt Baysinger, a member of the KU track and field team who is leading a committee to find and promote an alternative to the T-shirt.

When ESPN came to the Fieldhouse earlier this season for the Missouri game, the crew members had trouble finding students to put on camera because they didn't want to show the T-shirt. During the game, the ESPN crew asked the athletic department to make an announcement asking students to turn the shirts inside-out, but the department declined to announce it, associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said.

Days later, Scott Winer, a KU junior who was in the ESPN truck during the Missouri game, wrote a letter to the editor of the University Daily Kansan asking students to think twice about wearing the shirt.

Kansas University's Student-Athlete Advisory Committee wants to clean up "distasteful" T-shirts, including the popular "Muck Fizzou" shirts worn by Jayhawk fans.

Kansas University's Student-Athlete Advisory Committee wants to clean up "distasteful" T-shirts, including the popular "Muck Fizzou" shirts worn by Jayhawk fans.

"ESPN comes to one of the most storied arenas in all of college basketball to kick off a week dedicated to student spirit, and it can't even show most of the students in the crowd," Winer wrote.

Marchiony called the shirt "distasteful."

"We don't want it in our arena," he said.

Marchiony said that even though the department opposes the shirt, the recent effort to discourage people from wearing it began with the students, not the administration.

The slogan is ubiquitous on campus. Even the student newspaper has printed it on shirts.

"For a short time a couple of years ago, we sold some that had the Kansan logo on the sleeve," said Malcolm Gibson, general manager of the Kansan. "It was a one-time thing for us, and we don't plan to do it again."

A group of KU student-athletes hope to see the end of a popular T-shirt

KU's student-athlete advisory committee is working on a plan to create and distribute an alternative to the infamous T-shirt that contains an implied obscenity directed at KU rival Missouri. Enlarge video

Many of the shirts come from Joe-College.com, 734 Mass., whose owner, Larry Sinks, is involved in a lawsuit filed by KU alleging some of his shirts infringe on the school's trademark. Sinks said he first printed a version of the T-shirt in the 1980s, then stopped until about six years ago. Since he set up his shop downtown a year ago, he's sold about 700 of the T-shirts.

Sinks said it was "ridiculous" for KU leaders to discourage people from wearing the shirt.

"They're trying to control everybody in this town," he said.

Even though the "Muck Fizzou" design is one of the shirts KU has asked Sinks to stop printing, Marchiony said that shirt isn't KU's main concern in its lawsuit against Sinks. The lawsuit is still in the discovery phase.

"That's not the shirt we're after," Marchiony said. "We're after things like 'Kansas Swim Team' with sperm on it."

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Linda Endicott 7 years, 1 month ago

Well, I don't know about that, actorman...Spike TV is a cable network, and they show nudity all the time...especially later at night.

I'm not sure what the rules are concerning cable networks.

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ksmoderate 7 years, 1 month ago

Friends University in Wichita used to be Friends University of Central Kansas...or _UCK. If KU played Friends, then the t-shirts could say "_UCK _UCK"

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Confrontation 7 years, 1 month ago

"People died so you can wear vaguely profane shirts on gameday"

Really? I don't recall learning about the war fought for vaguely profane shirts on gameday. Gee, and some people actually think that fighting for oil is a stupid idea.

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ToriFreak13 7 years, 1 month ago

ps. lol!!! ESPN is not going ANYWHERE......they come to us because we simply have the best fan support in college...ask Dick....who by the way says stuff like "DIPSY DOO DUNKAROO" explain THAT one to your kids lmaooo.....we dont need to bow down to them!! they have more than one camera angle....and plenty of time to prep each shot before taking that camera live...GIVE IT UP!!! as for parents explaining stuff to their kids....WATCH SUPER NANNY....YOU RUN YOUR HOUSE NOT YOUR KIDS!!!!!...and why the h e double L are track athletes leading a campaign against this? lol COACH make them run extra for this lol

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ToriFreak13 7 years, 1 month ago

So much for freedom of speech??? Funny how the Jayhawk mascot used to be depicted carrying a bat with a spike in it back in what the 70's?? How many of the people complaining have ties to Bush bashing memorabilia? aka BUCK FUSH. It's ok to bash the president of the country but please dont bash Missouri. lol
I like how one of the "athletes" interviewed is named Winer.
But the saying "Win or Lose, We Will Still Booze." is not on top of their list. lol and here the infamous Journal World is right on top of this good ol story to defend our university athletes....when it took them how many years to start tracking our graduated athletes in their professional careers???? They tracked discarded Royals players before keeping track of Jayhawks in the pros. lol pitiful

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JackRipper 7 years, 1 month ago

Whatever happened to that little West Virginia school that had the nerve to use our KU and Trajan font before we paid $90000 to a consultant to tell us that was what we need. Did we sue them into oblivion? Oh yeah, we define class act.

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yankeelady 7 years, 1 month ago

The shirts were amusing at first, but it's time to move on. I don't like ESPN telling us what we can wear in our own field house. It seems like its all about money to the athletic department, as usual. All this will do is create a resurgence in popularity of the shirts, censorship always does that. And yes--I remember POPP, I still have a button around somewhere. Those were the days.

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britt408 7 years, 1 month ago

As far as I'm concerned, I'll wear whatever I want to basketball games. I pay thousands in tuition to this university every year, unlike the Student Athlete Advisory Committee b/c I'm sure most of them are here for free or very cheap. So until they pony up the big bucks to go here, then maybe they can talk. Until then, I'm going to keep wearing my Muck Fizzou shirt. Besides, I've seen more offensive shirts worn by Mizzou fans.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 1 month ago

The shirts are lowbrow. Those who wear them make themselves and the university look lowbrow. Freedom of speech is a right that people don't respect the power of: they use it to rationalize bad behavior, which is why it seems like almost no one seems to be able to remember what it feels like to use it for something positive.

People died so you can wear vaguely profane shirts on gameday. If you cannot think of anything better to do with your freedom of speech, then wear the shirt. But, I'd like to see some positive messages on the backs of our students for once.

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Kuku_Kansas 7 years, 1 month ago

Personally, I hate the t-shirt and would never buy or wear one.

But to "ban" it, c'mon now...

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compmd 7 years, 1 month ago

There is nothing offensive about the word "muck." The word "fizzou" is in fact made up. ESPN's desire to not show the phrase is simply because they don't like it. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Disney owns most of ESPN. And if ESPN doesn't like it, Lew and Jim don't like it. If you don't agree with them, they don't have to let you go to their events. Oh, wait, they are university events, right? Not with these idiots in power.

The stupidity rate in this city is increasing at a truly alarming rate. I feel as if the number of people who not only give a crap but are also willing to do something are dwindling rapidly.

If I made shirts that said "Lew and Jim: GO STFU!" I bet tons of people would buy it. After all, it would be supporting Saint Francis University. It has absolutely no vulgar meaning to it whatsoever.

Sigh, now i just have to wear my actual STFU and OMFG (Ontario Mega Finance Group) shirts more often.

On a more serious note, its incidents like this that make more and more alumni ashamed of their alma mater. Just ask around.

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classclown 7 years, 1 month ago

Or one that says "You can't be _UCKED without KU"

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years, 1 month ago

Or better yet, a new shirt that says : MUCKed UP KU

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years, 1 month ago

Every student at KU should get a shirt and stand near the turnpike daily waving!

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drewdun 7 years, 1 month ago

"Whiners, complainers, politically correct and "touchy-feely" folks abound in Lawrence!

What a load of crap!

KU also thinks that it owns a ton of intellectual property to which it has no real claim; KU simply bullies its way around pushing folks into submission.

I hope that the t-shirt shop wins the lawsuit!

Thanks.

Marion."

Right on! The moguls at the KUAD are simply out of control. Message to Lew and Marchiony: GET OVER YOURSELVES

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years, 1 month ago

The shirt story is about filling up space in the J/W and yet another example of someone who is p,,,,,,d off because they didn't make any money from the idea.

Years ago, when Archie Dykes was chancellor someone made some for the girls softball and printed Archie's Dykes. Yi, yi , yi,,,,,they went like hotcakes.

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Mike Blur 7 years, 1 month ago

You are all missing the point once again, people.

All this "Muck Fizzou" stuff is the lingering effect of the ultra-right Christian censorship of the broadcast networks. It started with Janet Jackson in the Super Bowl's "wardrobe malfunction" and had extended to daytime soap operas and NASCAR drivers flipping each other off on TV.

You can say "it's only a t-shirt" all you want, but if ESPN risks multi-million dollar fines simply from broadcasting crowd shots at Allen Field House, you can bet they'll opt to go somewhere else (maybe somewhere less offensive, like where chickens are thrown on the floor?)

If TV network cameras go dark at AFH, atrophy of the basketball team will quickly follow.

C'mon kids, there are dozens of cooler, better looking shirts you all can wear!

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rjmwx81 7 years, 1 month ago

I once saw a t-shirt for sale that said "How dare I wear this fking shirt in front of your gd_n fking kids!"

Of course, the shirt did not have the blanks that I added. I was so impressed, I bought 10 of them.

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EXks 7 years, 1 month ago

Take your meds & lighten up old timers and morality police, its just a t-shirt!!

Speaking of rude, what about the 'Jesus is my boss' or t-shirt?

Some of you need to get a life!

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TheOriginalCA 7 years, 1 month ago

Michigan fans proudly wear t-shirts saying "Buck the F---eyes" Does ESPN discourage those too?

Also, if Larry Sinks is like he was in high school, then KU can ring that (bleep) up and hang him out to dry. I have been waiting for him to get busted for such infringements.

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toefungus 7 years, 1 month ago

It is time to organize a day when everyone attending a game wears the tee shirts. Call it free speech day. The fact students wear such shirts gives hope to everyone that the power of the state has limits.

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Stephen 7 years, 1 month ago

"with sperm on it" ummmmm, can't we say seamen.

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girly 7 years, 1 month ago

I thought I saw the t-shirt for sale at the book store on 23rd street also.

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Staci Dark Simpson 7 years, 1 month ago

I am rushing out to buy a Muck Fizzou shirt now! They been around for years and I don't recall anyone being traumatized by them. I can assure you when I was a 5th grader 20 years ago I heard just as bad language on the playground!

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 1 month ago

"Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

That shirt is RUDE!"

Marion writes:

No it's not.

I can SHOW you RUDE if you like!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Dambudzo 7 years, 1 month ago

I have a shirt from the 80's that says"screw mizzou" on the back and on the front has a picture of a Jayhawk standing behind the Tiger holding its tale up.

It looks like Jayhawk is putting the wood to the Tiger.

Great shirt.

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jazzttt 7 years, 1 month ago

Hey! Has anyone thought that we really should be cheering FOR Mizzou today? They'll probably be in over their heads since they're playing A + M on the road today, but if they should prevail, that's one less team we might have to share the title with. Of course, I hope KU can settle it all with a victory. I live in Arkansas, and many years ago, there was a t-shirt made after a regional victory over a highly-rated UA team that had "Arkansas" at the top, with the "AR" crossed out. I bought one, never thought it was in poor taste, but KU tried to quash the sales. I cheer for both teams unless they play each other, then it's KU undisputed. What do you say to your kids when they see one of those Mizzou shirts on TV, and ask you to explain it? Really, single-entendre shirts like this are in poor taste, we all should root FOR our neighbors like MU and KSU unless they're playing KU or trying to recruit talent away from us. We're well ahead of both in the overall rivalry, why can't we come up with something clever and less offensive? Myself, I'll be doing the inverted "hook-em-horns" in about an hour, it's just as valid in Ark. as in the Phog!

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williaa 7 years, 1 month ago

I agree with hurlehey_boy about what it "costs" to be a KU fan. Since I am an alum and no longer a student, I can not afford to attend a game since they re-structured the ticket policy. I would much rather support some slimebag who screenprints offensive t-shirts on Mass St. than buy a $30 dollar t-shirt that has a non-offensive logo on it that the university paid a research group to develop. I mean, oh no, ESPN couldn't find any students to show on TV. Why not show the crusty alumni sitting on their butts quietly watching the game and discussing recent business trips that KU encourages to take up the majority of the seats? KU seems to be very conflicted!

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JackRipper 7 years, 1 month ago

Right on sourpuss and more can be added to that list of course. I guess it was classy when they used the students as walking advertisements with the KU First shirts for a billion dollar endowment that can come up with money for athletic buildings and studies to find out where or not the Jayhawk should be used on business cards but can't seem to help with the infrastructure problems. We all know that the only reason the shirt is rude is because KU isn't making any money off of them.

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hurlehey_boy 7 years, 1 month ago

Oh no, thats right! A grade school kid may learn a bad word! How will we ever explain that to your sixth grader. Wait maybe it should start "As soon as Daddy's done binge-drinking because he saw other guys play basketball, I'll explain to you then, horrible social repercussions of a word you would have never heard at school or on TV."

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Bowhunter99 7 years, 1 month ago

I think we need another article that says:

KU's Student-Athlete Advisory Committee a disservice to KU spirit, group says.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 1 month ago

Whiners, complainers, politically correct and "touchy-feely" folks abound in Lawrence!

What a load of crap!

KU also thinks that it owns a ton of intellectual property to which it has no real claim; KU simply bullies its way around pushing folks into submission.

I hope that the t-shirt shop wins the lawsuit!

Thanks.

Marion.

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mom_of_three 7 years, 1 month ago

Yes, I thought it was funny the first time I saw one, but it is offensive. No one outside of Lawrence is going to realize that the University doesn't promote those shirts. My 14 year old asked to buy one and I said no.

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Jane 7 years, 1 month ago

STP- it is okay to tell your kid you will explain it when they can understand. The 'buy a new tshirt' comment was funny, btw.

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StirrrThePot 7 years, 1 month ago

Free speech is nice. Team spirit is nice. Rivalries are nice. Being an immature college student is nice too, while you are one. One of these days though, my kid will learn to read and when I see that KU student in Hy Vee with a Muck Fizzou shirt, I am going to have some explaining to do. Maybe I will have the college student explain it instead. "Hey Mr, can you please tell my kindergartner what your shirt means?" That will be fun.

You can't stop it, and as ksmattfish said, now they will be EVERYWHERE as a result of this press. Great. At least we aren't throwing batteries and quarters yet, like Mizzou does. We're still less rude than Mizzou! Yay!!!

BTW, people who wear those shirts to any game other than a Mizzou game look even more stupid. You bought that shirt, can't you buy another one for all the other games?

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sawman 7 years, 1 month ago

Even better is the t-shirt with the jayhawk behind the tiger, by the tail so to speak.

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ModSquadGal 7 years, 1 month ago

KU is much more than a "midwestern party school." I think the shirts ARE offensive (albeit funny). I agree - just don't let students in that are wearing them (but they'll probably just wear them under another shirt).

Basically, these shirts bring us down to the level of Mizzou and K-State, which is exactly what we are trying to avoid. It doesn't take too much imagination to figure out a way to stop doing that.

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sourpuss 7 years, 1 month ago

KU is a midwestern party school. How does "classy" fit into this equation? Are the friggin' Cambridge or something?

Other "classy" things KU does:

Once a year, people parade down the hill in plastic caps and gowns,

Leaves manholes open for blind people to fall into,

Tells sports fans they aren't rich enough to be fans anymore,

Spends more on a new kitchen for Strong than on a biology lab,

Cuts funding to research groups with international prestige and craps out on requirements to keep large government grants,

Puts poorly-painted mascots all over town,

Sends restricted student pass/fail information to listservs,

Leaves security holes open on servers that contain information on international students, which are then stolen,

Writes and uses the most malformed student enrolment system in the country and lags behind implementing true online enrolment several years when compared to peer universities.

You're right. Classy!

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hurlehey_boy 7 years, 1 month ago

"we're classy" yeah just like the players. I take it you've never had the misfortune of hanging out with those illiterates. Love em, but be real. "ESPN. . .shows violent sports" yeah, like football, which has a higher injury rate then boxing. ESPN doesn't show the MMA-porn thing. And while on the subject we DO NEED ESPN if KU is gonna continue to get the type of players we get. They are here for the TV exposure.

The shirts are tacky, but funny, kind of like Larry Sinks. (who is completely in the right in the use of the word "Jayhawk" )If the school wants us to wear better stuff to the games maybe they shouldn't charge $25 per shirt. More than anything, this is another Lew Perkins ploy to take money from a local business that thought of it first.

Hey Lew I'll be wearing my Muck Fizzou shirt today, I think the alarming cost of my seat entitles me to a little constitutional free speech, you jerk.

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oldvet 7 years, 1 month ago

How about a joint resolution with the powers at MU... they ban the Antlers and their behavior and we'll ban the shirts in Allen... until then... Muck Fizzou!!!

anybody else remember POPP?

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flamingdragon 7 years, 1 month ago

tuck fexas and nuck forth carolina! well said, brando espn doesn't want to show the shirts-fine! go back to the east coast where you belong. we don't need you at all. thanks, bro.

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Sasquatch34 7 years, 1 month ago

"We're the University of Kansas, and we're classy. We're better than that, quite frankly,"

We are? Yeah, nothing says class like 20 year olds talking about how drunk they were last night and discussing which yard they threw up in. Come on. In the immortal words of George Carlin, "There just words". In a country that ingests copius amounts of porn and violence THIS is what we are going to be worried about.....Whats the big, mucking deal?

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Brandon Perkins 7 years, 1 month ago

Tuck Fexas!

maybe we should just throw animals onto the courts instead.....

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topekan7 7 years, 1 month ago

Here's an example of KSU merging philanthropy and t-shirts: http://www.found.ksu.edu/k-stateproud/events.htm The recent "Blackout at Bramlage" was a direct result of this program.

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macon47 7 years, 1 month ago

perkins and Marchiony are just pouting cause they dont get to runt their fingers thru the money from the sale of the more popular tasteless shirts. If they could figure out a way to cash in, you would see both of them wearing them

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GuardChica 7 years, 1 month ago

How about the athletics department directly communicates with the students? I heard none of this before the Mizzou game; in fact, I didn't know anything until the Kansan wrote the story. The department probably has access to the same student listserv everyone else does - and should use it. We can't read its mind.

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Dambudzo 7 years, 1 month ago

Instead of Muck Fizzou, maybe shirts should say,

"It's not that we dislike Mizzou, It's just that we would prefer not to like them that much. But we don't mean anything by that. So don't think that we do. Go KU!"

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getzee 7 years, 1 month ago

You've got to be kidding me. "Muck Fizzou" offensive?! How many times over the last several years has the ESPN camera crew shown some idiot at Fizzou with a sign reading "gayhawk." How about a Big 12 conference-wide rule on the issue. When I watch a game broadcast from Columbia without seeing such a sign, I'll gladly burn my shirt. Until then, I wear it loud and proud!

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topekan7 7 years, 1 month ago

Isn't Kansas University the school that will be playing its HOME football game against the University of Missouri IN the state of Missouri this fall?!?!? That is the most distasteful and disrespectful action this university and its athletic department can possibly do to alienate its fans and supporters. It's far more disrespectful than Muck Fizzou. The Muck Fizzou phrase has been around since the 80's at least. If the university wants to see it go away, then stop hyping the "rivalry" and play your home games at home. At K-State, students are encouraged to wear a particular shirt to home football and basketball games with the enticement of sitting in a better section at the games. The money raised from the sale of the shirts promotes philanthropy. So they have on tasteful shirts with a positive outcome and they've been doing it for years. Now don't you think the administration at KU could come up with a similar scheme? Maybe not.

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Jane 7 years, 1 month ago

There is also a tshirt that says something like 'you can't spell sucks without ksu'. Funny, can't spell sucks without ku either. I've always thought the mizzou tshirts were in poor taste, like a lot of what the students wear. Here's an idea, don't let them in the fieldhouse with those tshirts on. Confiscate at the door and give a nice new tshirt that is 'classy'.

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ksmattfish 7 years, 1 month ago

""We're the University of Kansas, and we're classy. We're better than that, quite frankly," said Matt Baysinger,"

You are definately the kind of weenie KU fan the sports radio guys make us all out to be.

The bigger deal you make about it, the more popular the shirts will be. Or they might even be replaced by something more offensive. Ignore it, and it will probably go away on it's own.

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macon47 7 years, 1 month ago

I have nothing but disgust for the ku Athletics money mongers, and thought the shirts were kinda "cute"
When they first started popping up.

I know the kids like them cause its pretty much anti-establishment, and letting them tell THE MAN what They can or cannot do.

However, these shirts are old and stale. The message puts us on the same level as The Mizzou fans. So if you want to look like A MIZZOU FAN, wear your shirt, but no one is very proud of you either.

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75x55 7 years, 1 month ago

What's the old famous phrase?

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

Welcome to Faber College On-The-Kaw!

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brett conrad 7 years, 1 month ago

Maybe our Football consultant should look into this matter.

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Pilgrim 7 years, 1 month ago

Posted by emilyhadley (Emily Hadley) on March 3, 2007 at 5:45 a.m.

So ESPN can show violent, bloody, injurious competitive fighting, but they think the words "Muck Fizzou" are not acceptable for family viewing??

I'd certainly rather see any T-shirt than witness some of the things that the athletes themselves do, much less have to witness acts like harmless live animals being abused by crowd members before a sports event in a display of aggression and dominance.


Panty twist warning! Panty twist warning!

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classclown 7 years, 1 month ago

""We're the University of Kansas, and we're classy. We're better than that, quite frankly," said Matt Baysinger, ..."

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Apparently not.

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Emily Hadley 7 years, 1 month ago

So ESPN can show violent, bloody, injurious competitive fighting, but they think the words "Muck Fizzou" are not acceptable for family viewing??

I'd certainly rather see any T-shirt than witness some of the things that the athletes themselves do, much less have to witness acts like harmless live animals being abused by crowd members before a sports event in a display of aggression and dominance.

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drewdun 7 years, 1 month ago

GD, the KUAD is on a major-league power trip. Fifty year old businessmen making obscene amounts of money off 18-22 year old athletes (who get none of the material benefit generated by their athletic prowess), telling others what is distasteful.

Ironic.

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