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City to bid on vacant Farmland property

June 27, 2007

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Commissioners plan bid to purchase Farmland plant

Lawrence city leaders announce plan sot make a bid to purchase the site of the idled Farmland plant east of Lawrence. Enlarge video

Let's have an auction.

Lawrence City Commissioners on Tuesday said they're ready to make the opening bid in a bankruptcy court auction to purchase the vacant Farmland Industries plant east of Lawrence.

Commissioners emerged from a one-hour, closed-door executive session with a decision to bid on the 467-acre property so they could convert it into a new business or industrial park.

"Obviously it is a gateway to the community," Hack said of the former fertilizer plant that is along Kansas Highway 10, adjacent to the East Hills Business Park. "We know right now that it is pretty much an eyesore. To get it cleaned up is important, but way more important is the economic development potential this has for us."

But at what cost? City commissioners aren't saying yet. Hack would not disclose the city's opening bid in the auction. Instead, she said there will be an item on next week's City Commission agenda authorizing the city manager to file the necessary paperwork with the court requesting that an auction date be set.

As part of that process, the city will have to tell the court how much it is willing to initially bid on the property. Once an auction date is set, other interested parties can make bids, and the city will have a chance to raise its bid.

In other words, it will be a good old auction not unlike those held on farmsteads every weekend.

Hack said that does put the city in an odd position. She said the city won't be able to tell residents beforehand how much it is willing to spend to acquire the property. To do so would put the city at a bidding disadvantage.

The cost to buy the property is only one consideration. The longtime fertilizer plant, which closed in 2001, was the site of numerous fertilizer spills that left the ground contaminated. The city would assume the responsibility of cleaning up the property. But the cleanup may not have to be done with city funds.

At one point, there was at least $6 million in a trust fund set aside by Farmland to clean the property. City leaders previously have said there is a second administrative trust fund with $8 million to $10 million. But it has been unclear whether that money would be available to the purchaser of the property.

City Manager David Corliss confirmed that the city certainly would be looking to use trust fund money to clean the property, but declined to get into specifics. Hack also said the city was taking numerous measures to ensure it knows the full extent of environmental problems at the site before bidding on the property.

Hack said she hoped the city would be able to purchase the property without increasing taxes. She said the city, for example, would not make a bid that was contingent upon the approval of a new sales tax or an increase in the city's property tax rate.

In addition to the purchase and cleanup costs, it is expected that it will take a significant amount of money to extend infrastructure - such as sewer and roads - to the property, which is still outside the city limits.

Hack said the city would be looking to enter a partnership with the county to develop the site. There has been previous talk of private developers as well. It was unclear Tuesday whether the city would be pursuing a public-private partnership.

In the last two years, at least two private, out-of-state companies have publicly expressed interest in the site. But it is unclear whether they are still interested in the property. Some of their plans included using the property for purposes other than industrial development. The city and county have said they would be unlikely to rezone the property for anything other than industrial uses.

Lavern Squier, president and CEO of the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce, said he was pleased that the city was moving forward on the project. Squier said he could see the property developing into a business park that could serve a mix of uses, including light industrial, bioscience companies and corporate headquarters.

"It is just so easily accessible from the Kansas City area," Squier said. "The K-10 corridor really has a chance to blossom in the future."

Comments

KS 7 years, 5 months ago

Armyguy - I agree. This is something the city does not need to be involved in. The clean up costs will be unbelieveable. It will never end. What are those people (the City) thinking/smoking?

50YearResident 7 years, 5 months ago

No other investment group will touch this property with a 10 foot pole. The clean up expenses will be astronomical. The EPA will have to be involved in the clean up approval. The City is not in a position to spend money on this project which will take 10 years and millions of dollars to make it usable. There is no guarantee it will ever meet EPA standards after the money is spent. Don't get involved in this project, and don't spend 100's of thousands on consultant fees.

armyguy 7 years, 5 months ago

The City has said in recent weeks that they have no money for fixing streets they have been cutting service budgets and laying off people. They expect to have a shortfall of millions of dollars. They have been talking of sales tax and real estate tax increases. To even consider this multimillion dollar investment at this time is a foolish waste of money.

average 7 years, 5 months ago

I could just maybe understand a lowball bid to keep it from absolute idleness. But trying to outbid a private purchaser? Are they scared that Wal-Mart might buy it?

News_to_me 7 years, 5 months ago

It would appear that the "shortfall" is only in regard to items on the "want to do" list. So this commission has prioritized by cutting back on the "need to do" items unless, of course, we are interested in a sales tax or property tax increase. In other words, if you "need" a new roof on your house but you "want" a new car just borrow some money and buy a couple of tarps or do a little patching. I also heard the magic words at last night's city commission meeting-as in "gateway" to our community/Farmland plant and "infrastructure" in reference to the Wakarusa wastewater treatment plant. But they're all excited about these opportunities.

chzypoof1 7 years, 5 months ago

The commission is trying to help that side of town. They are right, that is the gateway to Lawrence. If you want to draw more visitors, residents...which are TAXPAYERS, you have to do something out there. The West side is not the only area to improve.

I agree, they need to work on the budget, but everytime they say something that you dedicated "bloggers" don't agree with, here comes the quote: "Please vote in the next city commission elections and vote responsively". I voted responsiblity. They are doing what they think is best for this community. The last commission voted to fight WalMart in court, and they're going to lose. So get over the "commission" is horrible thing....

News_to_me 7 years, 5 months ago

chzypuff, would not a private buyer for that property help that side of town as well? Personally, I don't think of the commission as horrible and they are probably in a no win situation, but they do seem to have lost their focus. Talking about cutting the budget and services coupled with proposals for a new library and athletic facilities and the attendant tax increases just don't seem to jive.

tir 7 years, 5 months ago

No way is this a good idea. The "trust fund" money would likely be only a drop in the bucket of money the cleanup would cost. The city claims it's having budget problems as it is, and Lawrence can no more afford this than we can afford a new library or sports facility. I can't believe the commission is even considering bidding on it.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

RC This was in the works long before our current cc. This is a done deal. The city does not care what its citizens feel in regards to this toxic dump. And, they feel they have a blank check. They will raise the mill levy, the county will raise the mill levy and then they will also try to impose a sales tax increase as well. They will get it done regardless of the cost because they want it and because they can milk the "helpless" taxpayer until they scream. They will be the highest bidder no matter what the final price is.

This is a project the city has no business being involved with, but the city and the chamber feel the need to control every aspect of Lawrence, and the lives and bank accounts of their citizens.

Just wait and see how many "projects" that have been on the back burner during no growth period springing to life. We might as well assume the bend over position permanently.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

I am dumbfounded. We';ve been told the city is so broke it cannot continue to fund the library, pool, social services, public transportation without a tax increase. We the taxpayers have to pay for this.

We're being fleeced. What would the citizens have to do to start a recall?

Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

I cannot believe they are committing to bid on a project with so many unknowns. Is there $6,000,000 in the trust fund or not? Will there be $8,000,000 or $10,000,000 from the Feds, or will there be nothing? These are huge questions, and yet the commissioners are going forward?

Where is the money coming from? How much will the infrastructure cost?

The city and county have absolutely no business, NONE, bidding against private interests to purchase this dump.

common_cents 7 years, 5 months ago

"At one point, there was at least $6 million in a trust fund set aside by Farmland to clean the property. City leaders previously have said there is a second administrative trust fund with $8 million to $10 million. "

The city is in a budget crisis and there is supposedly 14 - 16 million set aside somewhere?

The logic in this purchase perplexes me. If you run a private firm, and you purchase some land which you KNOW needs cleanup for the purpose of investment, it is most likely that you are going to clean it up and do something with it which will yield a return.

There is NO reason for the city to buy this if a private firm is ready to bid. None... zero... zip. Step back, let the auction take place, and ZONE appropriately for what you want to be built there. Zone NOW instead of later... THAT'S what you are supposed to do as a responsible commission.

Quit spending OUR money on things YOU want to do. If you are worried about the cleanup, set down some regulations now on how these types of things need to be done and what goals need to be met. Private companies are perfectly capable of buying this property and cleaning it up and if you set the standards on what "cleanup" means now, the cards will be on the table. And, they would probably do a better job of it and come in under budget. They have to make a profit, the city doesn't: it just taxes us more when it goes over budget.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

"She [Mayor Sue Hack] said the city, for example, would not make a bid that was contingent upon the approval of a new sales tax or an increase in the city's property tax rate."

Would voters have to approve the new tax, and does the city have to say before the vote how the tax is meant to be spent?

No new taxes to buy Farmland.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

Who is the private bidder? Has it occurred to anyone some on the commission may be trying to drive up the selling price for this private bidder?

karensisson 7 years, 5 months ago

"Obviously it is a gateway to the community," Hack said of the former fertilizer plant that is along Kansas Highway 10, adjacent to the East Hills Business Park. "We know right now that it is pretty much an eyesore."

This from our mayor who wants to sprinkle more ugly Wal-Marts around town. This from the mayor whose agenda is to give a green light to any developer who wants to make more ugly sprawl. From the mayor who allows the Masonic Temple to be boarded up for years with rotting plywood because Doug Compton owns it.

Can we say BS in here?

Chris Golledge 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't know; sounds like the city has a good eye out for the future. I expect bids will be low all the way around because private investors will mostly also be aware of the cleanup costs. I have a feeling that the city government will be better equipped to extract federal money to help with the cleanup than the average private investor. The last thing Lawrence needs is for there to be a half-fast cleanup by a private firm that quits in the middle after figuring out it was harder than they thought it would be. They didn't say it, but picking up this land with a lowball bid might also solve some budget problems with aquiring land for the new sewage plant; although it might require additional pumping capacity. Plus, I suspect that cleanup requirements might be lower if most of the land is designated as a sewage treatment plant buffer zone.

Not exactly a "Welcome to Lawrence" kind of thing to have a plant right there, but that could be mitigated with some landscaping and trees. (Walnut would be a good investment for future harvesting.) Plus, building the plant will require significant road infrastructure and that is already conveniently in place. Plus, I suspect there will be less existing landowner issues around that site than any other place. Plus, the wind will generally be in the right direction.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

I want to know who the private bidder is that the city is competing against.

I also want to know, if the city buys this property, whether the environmental cleanup will be done by a company that won a bid in a fair and open competition, or whether this work is already promised to city commissioner Mike Dever's environmental consulting firm.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

So, cg22165, you think the city is better equipped to handle an environmental clean up??

The same city that had to stop all construction because they underestimated sewer capacity? The same city that is responsible for our roads and sidewalks? The same city that claims they have to cut services in order to meet their budgets? The same city that can claim as one of their own - a bankrupt previous mayor? The same city that wants more and more fluff and cannot get a handle on day to day maintenance issues? The same city that ignores the issues in the north part of the city?

I think there might be a little trust issue with the city's participation in the massive clean up involved.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

moneyhawk says: "I think there might be a little trust issue with the city's participation in the massive clean up involved."

Especially since one of the city commissioners owns an environmental consulting firm.

This city commission seems to have some financial self interest in every deal they decide to promote.

Just watch how this proceeds. Will Commissioner Mike Dever have to recuse himself and his firm from bidding on this cleanup work?

Chris Golledge 7 years, 5 months ago

OK moneyhawk,

On the first question: I didn't say they were better equipped to handled the cleanup; I suggested that they were more familiar with the workings of government bureaucracy and in how to get money from the federal system than the typical private entity. Using federal money would be preferable over using local money because it brings money from elsewhere to this area rather than just recycling the local pool. I don't think anyone in their right mind expects the city, or anyone other investor, to handle the cleanup themselves. The kind of expertise required for cleaning up those messes doesn't often coincide with entities interested in new development. The work will be contracted out whoever ends up with the land.

For the rest: Get yourself elected to the commission, serve your time, and let's see how perfect you are.

plainspeaking 7 years, 5 months ago

oh, Laverne, you're up to your old tricks again! i can only imagine the "secret" one-on-one meetings that you've held with each commissioner, plus the city manager, and how you prepare "information" that you slyly slide across the table. so, how's your powerpoint presentation on this project coming along?

i agree with most of the posts - the commission must be held accountable for any decision. but i'm also interested in who is pulling the commission's strings...

Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

This will be a multi-million gift from the citizens of Lawrence to KU. Bioscience is code-word for KU research.

absolutelyridiculous 7 years, 5 months ago

Wow. A subject Reality Check and I can agree on. Here is the link to the email addresses for our City Commissioners. Let them know how you feel!

http://www.lawrenceks.org/contactinfo.php?team=cmo

Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

I am speechless. This is singularly the most potentially self serving and fiscally irresponsible thing I could ever imagine happening to Lawrence, KS. See I thought paying $1,400,000 per year in corporate welfare to MV Transportation to run empty diesel buses around town polluting the air was the height of economical and ecological stupidity, but they have proved me to be shortsighted.

This has the promise to be orders of magnitude worse. Compliance with the current labyrinth of often competing federal and state legislation combined with the constant flow of new and undreamt of legislation (not to mention the threat of lawsuits brought by ecomentalist like merrill) and it could easily be decades of expense before this is completed.

This Kommission had better tread ever so carefully. If Dever's firm gets one cent from quagmire you can bet your last dollar of taxable income that this will end in a very expensive lawsuit.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

Right on, Sigmund. I may even stand in front of the bulldozers myself (with appropriate gear, of course.) But, the boozo-merrill machine is strangely silent on this one.

absolutelyridiculous - thanks for posting the link to our "city fathers and mother", but IMHO, any city or county commissioner who does take the pulse of the city by reading these forums is negligent.

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 5 months ago

Buying the Farmland site with the intention of turning it into anything other than a how-to theme park on how to manufacture nitrogen is foolish, not to mention outrageously expensive.

50YearResident 7 years, 5 months ago

Max-1, why haven't all these private firms that want this property so bad made an opening bid to get the auction started? Could it be that they found out the cost to clean it up is too high? It seems logical that if they wanted the property and thought it was such a good investment they would move forward before expenses and competition increase?

kneejerkreaction 7 years, 5 months ago

CC'ers, if you move forward with this, would you please put together a plan first? If it won't work on paper, it probably won't work in real life.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

Anybody know the name of Mike Dever's environmental consulting firm?

Or what, if any, local connections there are to the two companies max1 cited from past Journal-World articles about private parties intending to bid on the site: TRC Companies Inc. - a national consulting firm Environmental Liability Transfer Inc. based in St. Louis

Something smells.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

Guidewire Consulting is city commissioner Mike Dever's environmental cleanup firm. Watch to see whether they are allowed to bid on cleaning up this Farmland site.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

monkeyhawk (Anonymous) says: absolutelyridiculous - thanks for posting the link to our "city fathers and mother", but IMHO, any city or county commissioner who does take the pulse of the city by reading these forums is negligent.

Any city commissioner who does not read these forums in their entirety is negligent.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 5 months ago

"Any city commissioner who does not read these forums in their entirety is negligent."

These forums represent a rather small and somewhat closed-minded portion of the population. I would guess that most city commissioners feel they can take or leave what shows up in here.

And... any thing they do take from here should be taken with a grain of salt, as with any input from any anonymous source.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

Stain, thanks for reading my post in its entirety! Yes, I inadvertently omitted the "not".

"any thing they do take from here should be taken with a grain of salt, as with any input from any anonymous source."

I would guess most opinions here are far more genuine than the dog and pony shows on Tuesday nights.

Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

Charles Jones was unopposed in his re-election bid for county commissioner. This is his baby. We are all responsible for not even trying to vote him out of office.

stuckinthemiddle 7 years, 5 months ago

monkeyhawk Why would you guess that? How on earth would you know anything about how genuine any anonymous poster's opinion might be?

At least at the "dog and pony show" people are genuine enough to get up and get out of the house and show themselves. That seems genuine to me.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

If my memory serves me well Farmland left behind maybe 7 million but these clean ups cost a pretty penny. If that 7 million won't do it the taxpayers get to chip in. There are other than Lawrence parties interested in the lot so how much should our powers that be bid? What is the limit?

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

"At one point, there was at least $6 million in a trust fund set aside by Farmland to clean the property. City leaders previously have said there is a second administrative trust fund with $8 million to $10 million. But it has been unclear whether that money would be available to the purchaser of the property."

Looks like 6 million perhaps. Wonder what other entities may want part of the administrative funds to deal with Farmland Properties elsewhere?

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

"Lavern Squier, president and CEO of the Lawrence Chamber of Commerce, said he was pleased that the city was moving forward on the project. Squier said he could see the property developing into a business park that could serve a mix of uses, including light industrial, bioscience companies and corporate headquarters.

"It is just so easily accessible from the Kansas City area," Squier said. "The K-10 corridor really has a chance to blossom in the future."

I wonder why did the Chamber and many real estate companies speak out against the SE Area Light Industrial Plan across the street from Farmland?

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

The city commission would be unwise to ignore these forums because the posters in here seem better informed and more politically active than the general public. These guys seem more likely to DO SOMETHING about these problems than the average joe a commissioner might meet in a coffee shop.

I find reading these forums augments my knowledge of these issues, because the Journal-World doesn't do a good job of printing all the relevant information much less include any history. This newspaper really could do a better job of informing the public. I suspect they - The World Company - are in cahoots with the bought and paid for commission regarding some matters.

lunacydetector 7 years, 5 months ago

the city already has control of farmland because they get to say what they want on this property. they just have to be uncooperative to any prospective bidders that reveal their future plans, and any responsible bidder is going to have to reveal their future plans.

this one is in the bag. hello affordable housing?

i could hear someone say with a snooty voice and upturned nose, "I live in the yellow house on lake edgewood, just off brownfield drive."

perhaps lawrence could use some of KU's alumni connections to phillips 66 and convince them to build a gasoline plant. THAT would be fabulous. not only would something like that contribute to our local economy, it could be beneficial to our country's well being by lowering gas prices.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

"I would guess most opinions here are far more genuine than the dog and pony shows on Tuesday nights."

I would have to assume the opinions of people who trot themselves down to the commission meetings and identify themselves publicly and speak publicly are pretty darn genuine.

I also have come to believe this city commission, now that they are in power, doesn't give a crap about what any of the taxpayers think. They pretty much lied their way into office (jobs, economy, where are those?). They're here to enrich themselves and their sponsors as much as possible in the 4 years they've got. Thank God we can vote Hack and Amyx out in 2 years.

HalsteadHawk 7 years, 5 months ago

The Feds should make Farmland clean it up - take away their subsidies, garnish their tax return, increased inspections at other facilities. I bet they'd clean it up asap if that happened.

50YearResident 7 years, 5 months ago

I just read this story from the Journal World dated June 13th, 2006 from a link above. "Former Farmland site has an interested buyer. From this article was the following quote from commissioner Charles Jones, "County Commissioner Charles Jones said he believed the city and county were still strongly committed to seeing the property used only for industrial purposes. He said he was pleased the private sector had an interest in the property, but would rely on the Kansas Department of Health and Environment to assure that the company has the credentials to adequately deal with the environmental issues".

The main part "to assure that the company has the credentials to adequately deal with the envioronmental issues"

My question here is: Does the City and County have the credentials to adequately deal with the environmental issues?

armyguy 7 years, 5 months ago

Does anybody know what the cost to clean up the gas station that was leaking in town was? I think it was on 9th ST.

If memory serves me correct some 15 years ago now bankrupt Shop-n-Go was forced into bankruptcy by one leaking gas station in Bonner Springs. I believe the clean up of that almost new store on a very tiny lot cost in excess of a $1,000,000.00. It seems that the super fund was used as Shop-n-Go was bankrupt.

My question is, if that is what a tiny, almost new gas station cost to clean up 15 years ago, what could the cost be for hundreds of acres and many years of pollution cost today?

The clean up cost should be known upfront, before any bid with my tax $$

Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 5 months ago

man how about a theme park? No still want mini vegas:)

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

Sometimes these city commissioners and developers remind me of car sales people. It's all roses even if it won't start.

50YearResident 7 years, 5 months ago

Max-1, Which side of this issue are you on? Your previous posts indicated you were for the city to bid on this. Now your most recent post may be against this deal.

Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

""to assure that the company has the credentials to adequately deal with the envioronmental issues" -Charles Jones"

translation: I will determine that no company has the credentials to adequately deal with the environmental issues because I do not want any private company to get this land. I want the land to be controlled by the city and the county, and I want to make sure that KU has first dibs, and, of course, free rent, for any lab and office space we have the taxpayers build.

Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

mammaeffortx2, your mini vegas will be in Wyandotte county, just 20 minutes away on the turnpike. 80% of the electorate in that county just voted to allow slots and casinos there.

Yabut 7 years, 5 months ago

Whenever I get nostalgic and miss living in Lawrence, stupid decisions like this by the city commission make make me glad that I no longer live here. Thanks city commission! I do feel bad for all of you who are going to have to pay for this commission's poor decisions though, and its not right that you are being taken advantage of.

And whatever happened to the city's "non compete" policy? When I lived in Lawrence and asked a city employee why a certain service was not provided by the city, I was told it was because the city does not compete against a business if one already exists to provide that service. So why is the city competing against businesses/private bidders to develop land, ESPECIALLY when the city budget is in such dire straights that severe cuts have to be made and people are losing their jobs?

Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 5 months ago

oh godot just ruin my fun:) ok theme park oh no go cart track now that sounds like fun. How about this godot we can do it better?? :):)

coneflower 7 years, 5 months ago

50YearResident asks, My question here is: Does the City and County have the credentials to adequately deal with the environmental issues?

How handy that city commissioner Mike Dever owns an environmental consulting firm. Will any other company even get to bid on this work?

We are only 3 months into this new city commission's term, and I am already beyond cynical.

Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

yabut wrote: "And whatever happened to the city's "non compete" policy? When I lived in Lawrence and asked a city employee why a certain service was not provided by the city, I was told it was because the city does not compete against a business if one already exists to provide that service."

The city is directly responsible for driving the Orchards golf course out of business through its ownership of Eagle Bend, which operates at a loss, made up by taxpayers, despite the fact that it pays no property tax and does not pay for water. The city is partly responsible for driving several fitness facilities out of business, and for contributing to the decline of others; the T competes with private taxi and other transportation companies; the Lawrence Arts Center, supported by tax dollars, makes it impossible for art, music, dance and theater enterprises to make a living by giving lessons and putting on their own performances by undercutting them in price, thanks to subsidies paid by Lawrence taxpayers.

The City of Lawrence competes regularly and aggressively with private businesses in Lawrence, and it does so unfairly because, if it does not requires its operations to "break even." When there is a loss, (which happens 100% of the time) the city simply raises taxes on people who never even use the services to make up the shortfall to keep the services running.

This is the poster child for the destruction of a local economy.

Welcome to the Communist Community of the Republik of Lawrence.

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

I think the city should be grateful if any private party is willing to take on this toxic wasteland - and the city should enforce all environmental laws to be sure that party does an adequate job of cleaning it up, of course.

It would be wrong for the city to drive up the price of this land for private parties, by bidding against them.

karensisson 7 years, 5 months ago

Why does Mayor Hack want the city to buy this property so very badly? She has been mentioning it for a long, long time.

Considering Mayor Hack's business relationship to local private developers, which compromises her ability to be objective in her role as mayor/commissioner, I think we should have all the relevant information about her relationship to everyone involved - the names of the private parties who are bidding, the companies that might bid on the cleanup work, the exact use the city will put this land to, the amount of the city's bid, exactly where the city will get the money to pay for the land and the cleanup... all of it. A very detailed plan disclosing everything to the citizens and taxpayers of this town who are footing the bill for every harebrained idea this city commission floats.

Eileen Emmi Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

Oy vey! I thought the city was broke? Now they are bidding to buy this toxic waste dump and refusing to disclose to the taxpayers how much of our money they have pledged?

What the hell is going on here!

Eileen Jones 7 years, 5 months ago

lunacydetector says it could be beneficial to our country's well being by lowering gas prices.

How would that work, exactly?

erod0723 7 years, 5 months ago

How in the heck does the city have money to buy this property when it has such a big budget deficit this next year? How bout the city does not get involved. I rather suspect that Hack is the leading force behind this, as her husband is a major developer in the area. Get rid of Hack et al (save Boog) from our city council!

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