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Boyda: Time to tell Bush no more war

June 19, 2007

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Boyda on the War

Hear U.S. Rep. Nancy Boyda, a Democrat from Topeka, whose district includes west Lawrence, talk about a House-approved bill to increase funding for military veterans programs. She also assesses the recent troop surge in Iraq.

— U.S. Rep. Nancy Boyda on Monday criticized President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq, and touted a record $6.7 billion appropriations bill for medical services for veterans.

"I think it's time to say 'President Bush, Congress no longer authorizes you to take this war in the direction we're going,'" said Boyda, a Democrat from Topeka whose district includes west Lawrence.

Boyda had a news conference at a Veterans of Foreign Wars post to promote the House-approved veterans bill aimed at improving medical services at Veterans Affairs hospitals - especially for soldiers suffering mental health illnesses - and processing medical claims more rapidly.

"When we look at the money that we are spending on our veterans as Americans, we all agree that it is money not only well-spent, but morally and ethically spent," Boyda said.

Boyda said the injection of funds was needed because "this is the cost of war. We need to understand what the cost of war is in the short term and the long term as we continue in Iraq."

In response to reporters' questions, Boyda said it appeared Bush's move to increase troop strength in Baghdad wasn't working. A Pentagon report released last week said violence had increased during the U.S. troop surge, but Bush said Monday after a videoconference with Iraqi leaders that he believed progress was being made.

"We think they are very serious in moving on the key items. : I think the president was impressed and reassured by the sense of seriousness that he heard," said White House press secretary Tony Snow.

Boyda said some voters wonder why Democrats, who won slim majorities in Congress in November, haven't forced Bush to end the war.

"Many people are understandably frustrated that the Democrats haven't finished this war yet, and I understand their frustration," she said.

But Boyda said Democrats lack the two-thirds majorities in the House and Senate needed to override vetoes from Bush. Last month, Bush vetoed a war spending bill that imposed deadlines to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.

"As long as the Republican Party of President Bush is supporting going forward in this manner, there just flat out isn't anything that can be done," she said.

Boyda said she thought the public would force Bush and other Iraq war supporters to change directions in September when military leaders are scheduled to report to Congress on the outcome of the troop surge.

Boyda is part of a bipartisan group that has sponsored a bill to repeal within six months the congressional resolution that Bush received before going to war.

- The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Comments

youngitized 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't think we are going to pull out of Iraq, however, Iraq is a civil war and we need to find a way to get out. Boyda was right in her criticism of Bush as my earlier comments state.

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Mkh 6 years, 10 months ago

If anyone thinks a democrat is going to end the war (except Kucinich), they are a total moron. A Dem might achieve a troop reduction at some point. But if you honestly think they are going to completely pull out of Iraq you seriously need to get a grip on reality.

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purplesage 6 years, 10 months ago

She's been there how long, now? Since January is it? It concerns me that such a junior memeber of Congress is so condescending.

Has anyone noted the murder of Father Ganni, Holy Spirit Parish, Mosul? The Christian minority in Iraq is in danger of extermination. Before we pull out, having gotten rid of the likes of Saddam Hussein, President Bush is correct to attempt the hard work of finishing the job.

Let's pray for peace, be united, and bring our men and women home with honor.

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youngitized 6 years, 10 months ago

Did Rep. Boyda say she wouldn't raise taxes or did she say that she wouldn't reinstate the death tax or the marriage penalty tax? BTW, I think Boyda is doing an admirable job so far. The reason the polls are so low are because the negotiating skills of Bush is similar to that of a 5-year-old, "its my way or the highway." I am a registered Democrat and I really would rather not have Hillary as my party's nominee for President.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

"I'm not going to raise your taxes." -Nancy Boyda

H CON RES 99 YEA-AND-NAY 29-Mar-2007 2:35 PM QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution

Nancy Boyda: "Yea"

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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greyheim 6 years, 10 months ago

You're one of them, it appears, FNC is, read slowly now:

F-O-X N-E-W-S c-h-a-n-n-e-l.

and your point is, rt?

im pretty sure scene was referring in general to what having big ratings means. doesn't give it legitimacy. just means a bunch of people are buying their bullsh**. which i have to admit is a little disturbing. but, if what drewdun pointed out is true, if most of them are the older demographic, it makes me feel a little better. just a little, cause those people still vote.

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Lynn731 6 years, 10 months ago

Boyda is an idiot. Thank you, Lynn

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

It's cute what Hill is trying to do. But, reality is, when folks are behind the curtain, memories will come flooding back.

Scratch Hill.

Next.

Bam-Bam.

If what the race-mongering left says is true.

Scratch Bam-Bam

Next.

Muchacho bonito Juan de las Dos Americas.

Not so much.

Where do we go from here?

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paladin 6 years, 10 months ago

Here ya go folks. We ALL may might well be in fer some SERIOUS trouble. This here might jest be all she wrote. Pay attention, now. An keep yer powder dry. EVERBODY. Lawd have murcy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ionFwC...

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

Hillary, Bammer and Johnny.....I'm just going nuts.

Who's gonna get blown out of the water?

Will Dems (Howie) wake up the next morning hoping it was all a really, really bad dream?

Why is Hillary so unpopular anymore---I've actually softened my position toward her?

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Linda Endicott 6 years, 10 months ago

So the approval rating for the president is 29%, and for Congress it's 23%.

Big whoop. They're BOTH under 30% ( a pretty miserable rating, if you ask me), and you're arguing about which one is worst??

They BOTH suck...does that make you feel better?

Anyone who trusts a politician, of ANY political party, is an idiot.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

Drewdun, are you calling me old? What do you consider old? And don't you think age is wisdom? How old are you?

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kubacker 6 years, 10 months ago

There are some Noah's Ark conservatives on here that acutally want that empty vessel Jim "the trained parrot" Ryun back in Congress. I'm surprised Bush didn't reward him with the Medal of Freedom!

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drewdun 6 years, 10 months ago

rt: it has been shown repeatedly that even though FNC does have the highest primetime ratings, the overwhelming number of their viewers are older than dirt. Not saying this is a negative thing or takes away from their lead, just that they get trounced by the other news networks in the prime demographic areas, and that with so many older viewers, their continued success is highly doubtful. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

"Uh huh. And what are the other big ratings getters? "American Idol", "Dancing with the Stars", "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire":

"Starting to see a trend? There are a whole bunch of stupid people glued to their TVs. " - Scenebilger

You're one of them, it appears, FNC is, read slowly now:

F-O-X
N-E-W-S C-H-A-N-N-E-L.

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coneflower 6 years, 10 months ago

President 29 % approve 61% disapprove

Congress 23% approve 66% disapprove

This is about right, since the Republican congress eagerly handed Bush everything he asked for. The new, tiny Democratic majority since January isn't enough power to really change much of anything - yet. (Wait for the next election, though. We'll send a few more Bush enablers home from Washington.)

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scenebooster 6 years, 10 months ago

"And, BTW, FNC is trouncing the other half a dozen or so big guys in the ratings."

Uh huh. And what are the other big ratings getters? "American Idol", "Dancing with the Stars", "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire"...

Starting to see a trend? There are a whole bunch of stupid people glued to their TVs.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

Here is a good polling source, if you're obsessed with polls like Defender is.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

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Defender 6 years, 10 months ago

I never said that CNN would have different results, I said that RCP is a terrible place to look at polls.

"The Real Clear Politics poll has as much legitimacy as any other poll."

HAHAHAHA!!

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

The Real Clear Politics poll has as much legitimacy as any other poll. Let me say this: if any politician is swayed by the polls, he/she is a fool and lacks his/her own convictions.

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

This was a side note in response to an earlier comment that CNN and MSNBC would be a better source. They're ratings suck, is what I should have said. And CBS--well, we all know the deal there.

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greyheim 6 years, 10 months ago

And, BTW, FNC is trouncing the other half a dozen or so big guys in the ratings

And this means what?

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Tom Shewmon 6 years, 10 months ago

It's certainly necessary to take a real, real hard look at our presence anymore in Iraq. My problem is do the Dems (and some Repubs) have alternatives other than using catch phrases like 'nation building' and 'regain the worlds respect' etc etc. Do they even know where they would start? Remember, nations we need to build with have shadowy, insurgency/guerilla style 'militarys' and hate us with a the deepest of hatred. The plain truth is, there are several hundred or so big media players who are real good at picking apart the current adm and policies and millions of bloggers who do the same and worse. They have no idea what they'd do if you got right down to it. And, BTW, FNC is trouncing the other half a dozen or so big guys in the ratings.

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

Defender- O.K., let's examine the latest CNN poll that quizzed 528 "registered" voters to get these numbers:

President 29 % approve 61% disapprove

Congress 23% approve 66% disapprove

I guess their numbers are better!

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Defender 6 years, 10 months ago

"Defender- what would you suggest as a credible source for presidential & congressional approval ratings? cnn? msnbc? What?"

Not necessarily, but to get your stats from an incredibly biased source makes you, well, incredibly biased. I am fairly certain that CNN and MSNBC would be a better source based on the amount of people they reach as well as the diversity of mindsets they are polling from. Real Clear Politics is merely a joke, a gathering place for idiots that like to clap each other on the back for being so damned stupid.

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

Defender- what would you suggest as a credible source for presidential & congressional approval ratings? CNN? MSNBC? What?

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greyheim 6 years, 10 months ago

hey parkay, this has been posted before by preebo. before you go throwing around the word traitor:

trai*tor(trtr) n. One who betrays one's country, cause, or trust, especially one who commits treason.

Treason: "Violation of allegiance toward's one's country or sovereign, esp. the betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemy."

---"American officers acknowledge that it is arming some groups that are suspected to have been involved in American attacks as well as link to Al Qaeda. Some American officers maintain they are simply arming both sides of a civil war."---

Are you prepared to call our troops traitors? Clearly, this fits the proper definition.

I'm NOT prepared to call our troops traitors, so unless you are, stop using that word so loosely.

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acg 6 years, 10 months ago

I also know Nancy Boyda. She's neither stupid nor a twit. She's doing the best she can with the fiasco she's been handed. The problem is, the republican war mongers have left the rest of us in a tenuous situation. Sure, we can withdraw, and then the entire nation of Iraq will collapse and that seems wrong to a lot of people, especially since the Iraqi people weren't involved with 9/11 anyway. So, now we've attacked a nation for no reason, put their entire system into turmoil and then we what? Exit stage left and leave them all to starve to death, or open for some other jerkoff to step in and start dictating to them like Sadaam did? Let's face facts here, folks, we've made this bed and now we have to wallow in it. Good job decider/commander guy! You rock!!

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scenebooster 6 years, 10 months ago

"Now is the time for our troops to hit Al Queda hard, and hit 'em again."

You're so big on "hitting 'em hard", sign up.

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Defender 6 years, 10 months ago

"Someone referenced approval ratings in a previous post. Here are the latest numbers from Real Clear Politics:"

Real Clear Politics? You think that is a good source?

"Boyda is a traitor. Now is the time for our troops to hit Al Queda hard, and hit 'em again."

Then why did we attack Iraq? Shouldn't we have hit them hard and left Iraq alone? Nice idiotic remark, parkay.

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drewdun 6 years, 10 months ago

Right-wingers tossing out accusations of treason, again. Yawn.

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Ray Parker 6 years, 10 months ago

Boyda is a traitor. Now is the time for our troops to hit Al Queda hard, and hit 'em again.

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jasonc_22 6 years, 10 months ago

dagopman, while certainly allowed to have a nasty opinion of his congresswoman, doesn't do the conversation anything worthwhile when he's rude. Best advice for dealing with someone like that is to simply ignore what they've said.

With that said...so far, Boyda's done a bang-up job, and I can only think of one bill she's voted on that upsets me (her "no" on representation for DC in the House). All of her positions, be it the war or immigration, are similar to what she talked about during the campaign. I say similar because they are not the same, nor should they be- she sits on the Armed Services Committee now, so she is much better informed now than ever before. I would be upset if she wasn't evolving some.

Shall we decide to not attack her and, instead, spend time working closely with her? She's only been our Congresswoman since January, folks, lets keep that in perspective, too.

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ropadope 6 years, 10 months ago

Paladin knows what time it is.

my pitchfork is sharp and my torch is burning.

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gl0ck0wnr 6 years, 10 months ago

I like Boyda's stance on gun control, but the rest of it has been hit and miss (pun intended).

Paladin: "I have grave fears that Hillary will not end this horror in Iraq... She will find a way to keep us there."

She was on MSNBC this morning. Her answer to this was essentially "I'll bring the troops home, but..." and the "but" was listing about ten different things American troops would be in Iraq to do after she brought them home. I'm not sure how troops can be in two places at once, but she's figured out a way. She also said she'd build no bases in Iraq, but then her list of duties for invisible American troops virtually required bases. It was pretty fascinating and, needless to say, the stupid audience (labor, I think) lapped it up without thinking.

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greyheim 6 years, 10 months ago

paladin - great posts!!

youngitized, you're absolutely right. they're just pissed because she voted for the funds because she supports our troops and they can't say she doesn't, but they also can't say she's switched her position on the war because she's been against it from the start. it's too confusing in their 'all things must be black and white because it's easier' perspectives.

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youngitized 6 years, 10 months ago

dagopman,

I know Boyda as well...she's a heck of a lot smarter than the moron we had before (Ryun). I really like how the Republican party attacks personally rather than debate the issues. Republicans lose in the ideas arena.

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

I know Boy-duh personally and professionally. She is a blowhard and a twit and doesn't represent the interests of Kansans, only the Boy-duh clan.

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youngitized 6 years, 10 months ago

I have a question for those of you criticizing Boyda...are you suggesting that we don't fund the troops over in Iraq? It is possible to be against the war, but at the same time believe it is immoral not to fund our troops and this is the position likely taken by Rep. Boyda. I know exactly what you would be saying if she voted "no" on that appropriations bill, "Rep. Boyda doesn't support the troops." Basically you people want to have your cake and eat it too.

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Linda Endicott 6 years, 10 months ago

Not to mention that the "troop buildup" that Bush wanted so badly has now been in place for quite some time...and nothing has changed.

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

Someone referenced approval ratings in a previous post. Here are the latest numbers from Real Clear Politics:

RCP POLL AVERAGES

President Bush Job Approval RCP Average Approve 32.0% Disapprove 63.4%

Congressional Job Approval RCP Average Approve 25.5% Disapprove 62.5%

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swan_diver 6 years, 10 months ago

Let's drop all the BS on Iraq on this blog -- and get a new reality TV show up and running -- utilizing the writing talents of posters. Let's cancel the next season of the National Football League -- in this time of war -- and instead suit them all up in individual units, with 'team' colors and all -- and inject these 'fightin' Irish' into the melee on the ground in Mesopotamia.

Let's see which teams can kick the most serious ass, show these rag heads who's boss -- and generate programming and advertising revenue -- for our own entertainment, edification, and income.

Let's see if we can get the best Kansas has to offer on the field, for color commentary for the folks back home. Former congressman Jim Ryan -- a giant of a man -- needs to be a part of this.

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

I wonder what policy switch Congressman Steve Boyda will take next. Boy-duh is in way over her head.

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EXks 6 years, 10 months ago

May 2, 2003, "W' declared an end to "major combat operations in Iraq," and (drum roll please)....... "Mission Accomplished"................... you wanna talk about the REAL definition of a political opportunist??????????

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pearlgirl 6 years, 10 months ago

she is right, the war should be stopped now? what benefit this war is bringing to US? nothing? so many people are dying and this country is spending so much on the war which could be utilized in other ways.

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greyheim 6 years, 10 months ago

This one-term representative should focus on getting Boyda's Burqas off the ground. "Surrender in Style."

used that one before ferdo. it was as dumb then as it is now.

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white_mountain 6 years, 10 months ago

Remember that after Saddam was captured, Hillary reiterated that she was "proud" of her vote to authorize war and liberate Iraq..

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ferdinandlanghoff 6 years, 10 months ago

Boyda holding a news conference at a VFW is a bit like Fred Phelps holding a news conference at a gay rights rally.

This one-term representative should focus on getting Boyda's Burqas off the ground. "Surrender in Style."

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paladin 6 years, 10 months ago

I have grave fears that Hillary will not end this horror in Iraq. With a trillion and counting spent, with a sea of oil underneath the desert sands, with so many American lives destroyed, she is too much the corporate shill to end it. She will find a way to keep us there. The Democrats capitulated and gave Bush his money. More than money, they gave him another 500 or so American lives to throw away. They were berated, castigated and denigrated for their lack of courage. This to get to September where you pick up the spin. This action was crass political gamesmanship with lethality thrown in. How could they do this? Do you remember Vietnam? Obviously not enough people did or we wouldn't be in this mess right now. Briefly, our ally, Ho Chi Minh, was double crossed for the French in 1945. Our ally, Saddam Hussein, was doubled crossed for Kuwait in 1990. We broke the Treaty of Geneva in 1956 which called for unification elections and supported the illegal continuation of the Saigon Regime. We violated the UN mandate on WMDs by removing the inspectors who had found Saddam to be in compliance. We fabricated the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964. We fabricated the yellow cake letter and other "intelligence". Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. How has recent history treated those who got us out of Vietnam? Not, well. If there are any reminders, it is that we lost, not that the War was illegal or immoral. Liberal Democrats have not been thanked for ending that catastrophe they have been berated, castigated and denigrated for their courage. Somehow the spin has been that not throwing away American lives and committing mass murder is soft and dangerous. The Republicans and the Media ferment this hype and Democrats react not by courageously pointing out the fallacies of the arguments but by cravenly going along with it. It's safer politically to do this; Clinton, Biden, Edwards, Kerry. Ask Max Cleland about how voters reward political courage. So the Democrats will use the money and the lives of our soldiers to buy some political safety. The September Theater will play itself out. It is a Tragedy of death brought about by a corrupt and ineffective media and by a citizenry ignorant of history, easily manipulated by charlatans and deserving of the (mis) representation they receive.

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gl0ck0wnr 6 years, 10 months ago

Boyda: "It's time to tell President Bush no more war... which is why I voted for war funding." Uh... yeah.

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deec 6 years, 10 months ago

"That goes to say that all of you loonie toons that thought democrats were going to 'fight big oil, stop the president, change the laws, stop taxes for the wealthiest 1%, blah,blah,blah' are really not doing anything."

"But Boyda said Democrats lack the two-thirds majorities in the House and Senate needed to override vetoes from Bush. Last month, Bush vetoed a war spending bill that imposed deadlines to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq."

"As long as the Republican Party of President Bush is supporting going forward in this manner, there just flat out isn't anything that can be done," she said.

Any questions?

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EXks 6 years, 10 months ago

Great post paladin!! ..... but ya think any of the 'W' kool-aid drinkers will bother to read it????
baaaa, baaaa.....of course not.

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white_mountain 6 years, 10 months ago

My grandaddy (Samuel Clemens) once told me, "it's easier to plain speak the truth to folks than tell a lie, because you can always remember the truth!"

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oldvet 6 years, 10 months ago

I think it was Mark Twain who said something like: It's easier to tell the truth than to lie because when you tell the truth you don't have to remember what you said.

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Bowhunter99 6 years, 10 months ago

Let me remind ALL OF YOU that the approval rating of the US Congress and the House of Representatives is at 20%.... That's lower than Bush's approval rating....

That goes to say that all of you loonie toons that thought democrats were going to 'fight big oil, stop the president, change the laws, stop taxes for the wealthiest 1%, blah,blah,blah' are really not doing ANYTHING. Except of course, scamming you of your votes and your money.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 10 months ago

""I think it's time to say 'President Bush, Congress no longer authorizes you to take this war in the direction we're going,'" said Boyda, a Democrat from Topeka whose district includes west Lawrence.'

Um, you did 2 weeks ago.

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bunnyhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

My grandaddy always told me that it's a lot harder to keep your stories straight when you're making it up as you go along rather than telling the truth!

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

Boyda's positions change like the wind (or the polls) to be more exact. Her immigration stance certainly has.

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paladin 6 years, 10 months ago

Iraqi War Soup

The Ingredients

First ingredient is GREED: lots of greed. Prefer the Cheney VP greed to Bush Decider greed but both will work. In fact use both and you get the synergistic effect. This ingredient sells and tastes great in a soup to the "greed is good capitalists" like Wall Street.

Second ingredient is INCOMPETENCE: lots of incompetence. American voters love the taste and aroma of ineptitude.

Third ingredient is ARROGANCE: don't be afraid to put in too much arrogance. I prefer the WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS brand to the THEY ARE THE EVIL ONES brand. Both will work and added together they give you that synergistic effect that can lead to something called voter paradigm paralysis. Politicians love that effect.

Next NaÃive: naÃive gives it its unique American flavor.

Next Imperialism. Got to relish that imperialism savor. Sells well to the industrial military complex entrepreneurs and because imperialism creates lots of jobs for American voters this soup can be promoted as employment opportunities for the middle class.

Next Nation Building. Sells and tastes well to the puritanical morality voters. Mixes well with the ingredient naÃive.

Last but not least is Fear: I prefer the Fear of Terrorism brand. Really, it can be sold to the American public (demo's, repub's, and independ's alike) and congress. Congress loves the taste and scent of this ingredient because they know that it helps them get reelected especially in the red states.

Now heat soup and stir well until you have an IRAQI WAR SOUP that looks and tastes like a

FIASCO

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white_mountain 6 years, 10 months ago

So now she's claiming it's Bush's fault that she's funding the war?

Is this the "new direction" we were promised, Nancy B. and Nancy P.????

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Phillbert 6 years, 10 months ago

You're right dagopman! She's clearly taking advantage of the fact that she opposed this war from the beginning. What an opportunist indeed!

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preebo 6 years, 10 months ago

I fully support her position, but she should remain mindful that we remember her last vote for war appropriations. Talk is truly cheap, Ms. Boyda, but your votes are what we pay you for. When your rhetoric matches your voting record all will be right with the world.

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dagopman 6 years, 10 months ago

What a political opportunist! This woman is a sham!

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