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State GOP hopes loyalty committee will stop defectors

July 31, 2007

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— Burned by several high-profile party switchers, the Kansas Republican Party has formed a loyalty committee to make sure Republican officials toe the GOP line.

Under a change made to the state Republican Party's constitution, officials who hold party positions could be stripped of their party titles if they are found to be helping a Democrat get elected.

"There are times where the party needs to unite under just one banner," Kansas Republican Party executive director Christian Morgan said Monday.

"At the very base level, if you can't get county officers and district officers, if you can't get them to stop backing Democrats, then you have serious problems," Morgan said.

Morgan said if a Republican Party official decides he or she cannot help a fellow Republican, then the proper course of action should be to remain quiet.

"If you can't stomach a Republican in the election, then you can sit on your hands," he said. "You can't go out there and support the opposition."

The change was approved at the mid-year GOP convention Saturday. The loyalty committee will be headed by State Republican Party Chairman Kris Kobach, who sought the change.

Although the dominant party in Kansas, the Republican Party is split between conservatives and moderates. Kobach is a conservative. The party divide is often over abortion, with conservatives opposing abortion while moderates support abortion rights.

Andy Wollen, chairman of the Kansas Traditional Republican Party, said the loyalty committee was a bad idea.

"I don't know whether to laugh or cry," Wollen said. "It's just the latest demonstration that these people just flat don't understand people," he said.

Wollen said he believes that Republicans Party officials should support Republicans, but that forming a committee to investigate party loyalty would just make people angry.

"You don't coerce people into being loyal to the Republican Party. You have to earn loyalty," Wollen said. "You don't win elections by winnowing down your membership. You win elections by growing your membership."

Douglas County Republican Party Chairman Craig Campbell said Republicans should be loyal to their fellow party members but disagreed with the formation of the loyalty committee.

"I don't like saying that if you don't fit in our little box, let's kick you out," Campbell said.

He said a situation could arise when a candidate who is outside the realm of mainstream politics wins a Republican primary. Republicans shouldn't have to remain silent in such a case, he said.

Last year, moderate Republicans Paul Morrison and Mark Parkinson, a former state Republican Party chairman, switched to the Democratic Party, saying that the GOP had been taken over by narrow-minded conservatives.

Morrison defeated conservative Republican Atty. Gen. Phill Kline in a landslide, and Parkinson was elected lieutenant governor as part of the ticket of Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

In addition, many Republicans have vocally and financially supported U.S. Rep. Dennis Moore, a Democrat whose district includes eastern Lawrence and Douglas County, and other Democrats. Moore defeated Kobach in 2004.

Morgan, the state Republican Party executive director, said he doubted that the loyalty committee would be used often. He noted it would take a four-fifths vote by the five-member committee to strip someone of their job title, and there is an appeals process.

Kansas Democrats said they have no similar committee.

Comments

bernard 7 years, 5 months ago

These right wing wackos continue to provide the nation with a disturbing image of Kansas. Will their next effort be to strip Republican's of their party credentials if they express a belief in evolution?

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

So you're saying you probably won't be running for that precinct committeeman position next time?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 5 months ago

I've long suspected that the new style conservative Republicans did not adhere to American values. Freedom of thought is not their cup of tea. Maybe they'll require tatoos like Voldemort. Scary, sick stuff here.

staff04 7 years, 5 months ago

Ahhh...the "big tent."

Gestapo, anyone?

Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

Mr. Morgan, it is you who are destroying the Republican party. To paraphrase your idiotic comments, "at the very base level, if you can't get county officers and district officers, if you can't get them to stop DEFECTING, then you have serious problems." The results of the last election demonstrate just how serious those problems are and this "loyalty oath" smacks of group think fascism that is the root of the problem. It would serve the GOP well for you to be at the head of lemmings as they go crashing over the cliff.

staff04 7 years, 5 months ago

"That's how Democrats stay in power, have a voter base that is largely clueless."

No, they stay in power because their voter base is largely aware of the larger picture and wouldn't cast a vote based on a single issue, as you are suggesting that your children's grandfather should.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 5 months ago

Democrats do not have to follow the party line lock step. They can disagree, because they believe in freedom of thought and the right to believe what you want as long as you don't force yourself on others. I'm sure RT has already signed his loyalty oath. He probably has a book from his party to make sure he doesn't stray from the party line when posting. Everyone is welcome in the Democratic party, even if you sometimes vote for Republicans. Apparently, this isn't going to be allowed in the Republican party. Will your party leader go into the voting booth with you too? Hiel GOP!!

fletch 7 years, 5 months ago

Last time I checked, it was an elected official's job to serve the people, not their party.

toefungus 7 years, 5 months ago

All organizations, regardless of their purpose, eventually find themselves looking inward instead of onward. I don't know why that happens. Protecting a failed system or idea or product becomes the reason for existing. It takes significant external forces to change that. We could be seeing the end times of the neocon model of governing. The Republicans have a lot of good people in their ranks. Eventually a new leader will emerge and push the party to adopt new ideas. The wagons are circling and that is a good sign that change is bearing down. I like many Republican principals, so I welcome the change. Bring it on.

Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

Dorthyhr, you cannot seriously be asserting that the Democratic Party allows any more freedom of thought from its membership than the GOP. Tell that to Sen. Joseph Lieberman, any democratic canidate that supports a partial birth abortion ban, or any democrat who believes that if there is global warming it might be caused by changes in solar output and not man made. If that fails to convince you compare Nancy Boyda's and Jim Ryun's voting record with their leadership. I would bet neither were more than a couple of percentage points off of each other and neither were below 95% of being in lock step with their leadership.

jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

right_thinker (Anonymous) says:

"That's one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on this forum. Sebelius and Morrison and their ilk are fortunate to be in a state where so many back-woodsy people live. Case in point, my kids tell me their Grandpa , my x's dad, just loooooves Kathleen Sebelius-loves her!!! Guess what, he's staunchly pro-life. That's how Democrats stay in power, have a voter base that is largely clueless. Republicans want smart, not dumb voters. If they aren't there, so be it."

For sheer irony, I don't even have to add anything to this.

Jamesaust 7 years, 5 months ago

My understanding is that the Kansas GOP is near bankruptcy. I wonder why.

Baille 7 years, 5 months ago

Next thing you know the KS GOP will be putting together death squads. Maybe Ollie North could get them funding.

fletch 7 years, 5 months ago

"My understanding is that the Kansas GOP is near bankruptcy. I wonder why."

Talk like that will get you a visit from the Loyalty Squad.

Lonestar1 7 years, 5 months ago

As a former Republican, (I was told I was a RINO) I am sooooo.. glad I switched parties. I guess that makes me a right wing Democrat. At least Democrats do not need a loyalty committee! Moderate Republicans in Kansas need to march on over to the other side. There's no room in the Kansas Republican party for you!

"If you can't stomach a Republican in the election, then you can sit on your hands," he said. "You can't go out there and support the opposition." Christian Morgan

Wake up Christian!! This is America, we can support who ever we want!

BrianR 7 years, 5 months ago

"...the noecon and Christian Supremecist minority assumed power of the entire party..."

Have we learned nothing from Footloose?

Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

Max1, I see you have quickly learned the fine art of stereotyping an entire party with the example of a few. Congrats, you'll be a full blown ideologue in no time flat! BTW, the Republican Party does not have a monopoly on KKK membership. While the Republicans kick former KKK members out of office, the Democrats make them the senior Senator from West Virginia!

Robert Carlyle Byrd (born November 20, 1917) is the senior United States Senator from West Virginia and a member of the Democratic Party. Byrd has held the office since January 3, 1959; he is the longest-serving member in the history of the Senate. He is also the longest-serving, and oldest, current member of the United States Congress. Prior to that elctoral success, Byrd joined the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), was unanimously elected Exalted Cyclops, or leader, of his local chapter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_B...

There is a lot of quotes in the Wikipedia entry I could have included, but given how sensitive the LJW Online editors seem to be today, I doubt they would have allowed those epitaphs beginning with the letter "N", even when they are a direct quote from a United States Senator!

fletch 7 years, 5 months ago

"Republican Party does not have a monopoly on KKK membership"

That's pretty disloyal talk. Perhaps you need to sign the Loyalty Pledge again.

fletch 7 years, 5 months ago

"Scott Rothschild is a political activist who as recently as 2006 served as the president of a liberal organization in Topeka."

Uh oh, they don't like the story. Time to attack the messenger.

Baille 7 years, 5 months ago

Yep.

"If you can't attack the position, attack the proponent." - Baille, Essays on Some Unsettled Questions of Political Colostomies, 1974.

ASBESTOS 7 years, 5 months ago

My Letter to the Kansas GOP:

You have to be kidding me, right? Why on God's green earth in these United States do we need this? If this is what you a$$holes call "leadership" count me out of the GOP. I am tired of the GOP NOT being conservative on their political stance, and spending all their political capital on "social conservatism" which has NOTHING to do with Goldwater Conservatism. What you are doing is facism.

I want to know who the idiot was that came up with this stupid and putrid idea.

This is a "purge" pure and simple.

I am now leaving the GOP as there is nothing here except "Bible Bangers" being represented here. No one is representing me in the party. You have turned this into the "Kansas Khristian Talibahn", the KKT.

IF this is the indication of the "leaders" in Kansas GOP, it just shows that you are rejecting the "true" conservatives, and the "RINO's" are those supporting illegal immigration, while spending political capital and credibility on things such as the "Evolution debacle", and abstinence sex education only, and all your other obsession about being sexually repressed.

You are the ones with the mental illness here, and VERY POOR POLITICAL JUDGEMENT and no leadership here whatsoever.

You are not increasing membership here, you are "purging" the membership.

Those that are left to follow you will only be able to donate to the church or the GOP, but not both. How will you fund your elections?

This state is gonna turn blue.

You f'ing make me sick.

Baille 7 years, 5 months ago

"Truth is just another word for nothing left to spin." - Bill O'Reilly, Who's Looking Out For Janis?, 1967

fletch 7 years, 5 months ago

So let me get this straight. The best defense anybody has of this absurd policy is to.... drum roll... attack the democrats.

Bravo, gentlemen. Bravo.

jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

Said with the usual tact and restraint, eh Asbestos?

blackwalnut 7 years, 5 months ago

How very "Kansas" of them. What an embarrassment. You guys ought to clean up your party.

jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

"it's just a short lived fadirritating-yes, but short lived."

You mean like the right-wing punditry, that's been around for a decade or two, now? Irrational hate is a great seller in this political climate, and has been for some time. I don't see why you would expect the leftists to miss out on the fun while the getting's good.

bernard 7 years, 5 months ago

thank you to all who posted. Another day of entertaining reading of the pathetic state of Kansas GOP politics. Ahh Kansas!

sourpuss 7 years, 5 months ago

Perhaps if we had more than just two, narrow-minded parties to choose from, then we could find platforms that we would not have to be "loyal" to, but in which we actually believed.

Scary thought, that.

ndmoderate 7 years, 5 months ago

"Under a change made to the state Republican Party's constitution, officials who hold party positions could be stripped of their party titles if they are found to be helping a Democrat get elected."

I'm not surprised. So what if the KSGOP wants to circle their wagons. If you don't like it, then don't be a Republican party official. Any other person can still register as a Republican and vote however they want to in elections.

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 5 months ago

A "loyalty committee"? Seriously? I mean, I give right-wing republicans in this state very little credit for intelligence and forethought, but this takes the cake.

This reeks of desperation. The vultures are circling the Kansas GOP. The pro-life right-wing liberals have ruined a once great power in this state.

Richie Kennedy 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't see how this is any different than terminating a Coca-Cola driver for drinking Pepsi on the job.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

The "traditional" Republican Party in Kansas has been a snake pit full of scoundrels and now that some of these Repukes can't get elected in their own party they're infesting the Democratic Party. Take a look at the scandals that have plagued Sebelius' second term and they're all related to these newly minted "Democrats" that have crossed party lines.

Be careful of throwing stones, you might want to kick the same crooks out of the Democratic Party in a year or two that are still dancing back and forth across party lines looking for the best deal and the biggest opportunity to line their own pockets. The last thing the Democratic Party needs is the garbage of the Kansas Republican Party.

If these new found "Democrats" are sincere, let them support real, traditional Democratic candidates for a few years while they earn their right to run under the Democratic banner.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

The "liberal" organization that Rothschild belongs to is his church. A Unitarian I believe.

Are religious conservatives really telling us that Rothschild's religious affiliation disqualifies him from covering politics? Really?

And what stories should a Southern Baptist cover? A Catholic? Could a Catholic cover stories about birth control, or abortion? And if they did, what then, sing a couple of verses of "Oh Papal Snakes"?

Read the story, if it's not good journalism, show us where he went wrong, but I don't know how much more hypocritical you can get than to imply that his faith disqualifies him as an objective journalist.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

R_T says: "Americans won't put up with thisthe word is out."

Yeah, it was called the last election, and the voters made a statement. Get ready for another.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

Ferd says: "However, as the Lopes' quote demonstrates, the Democrats in Kansas cannot complain about a loyalty committee when its leaders have urged the promotion of "purity" amongst their ranks."

When did D in KS complain?

werekoala 7 years, 5 months ago

How about a competence committee instead?

Seriously, this reminds me of how a company would rather spend billions advertising a crappy product, than redesign it to actually make a decent product.

It's the same root cause--everyone who has the power to address the problem also had a hand in creating it, so there's no one objective enough to notice how naked the emperor is.

I have a feeling the 2008 implosion fo the Republican party will be a case study for political scientists for years to come. You can only insist on orthodoxy from your followers for so long without giving them something to show for their faithfulness.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

From werekoala:

"You can only insist on orthodoxy from your followers for so long without giving them something to show for their faithfulness."

Bingo!

They opposed gaming and the last three conservative speakers of the house became lobbyists for the gaming industry and promoted it. Kansas now has the only state owned gambling in the nation.

They opposed abortion and Kansas is the late term abortion capital of the country. In Wichita, the one district religious conservatives have held throughout, George Tiller is above the law and neither the city attorney, nor the DA has any meaningful opposition.

They demanded an end to rewarding illegal immigration and in the most cynical vote(s) ever cast, Sam Brownback voted both for and against the same Senate bill dealing with the issue.

They did succeed in running the moneychagers and crooks out of the temple of their party, but then found out where the resources came from that oiled the party's machinery all those years. Oops!

Time for a new strategery.

ASBESTOS 7 years, 5 months ago

VERY VERY sad day for the GOP in Kansas.

I am officially rescinding my membership in the GOP and will not give the butts anymore money.

These flathead 'Christian Talibahn" members only is making me sick.

This is NOT CONSERVATISM in any way shape or form.

This is not about independent thought, but is about facism.

You party leaders make me wanna puke.

This is as bad as having Mel Martinez as Chair of the National GOP.

Singed:

Still a conservative but no longer a Kansas GOPer!

Stuff it Kansas GOP!

ASBESTOS 7 years, 5 months ago

Kansas will go blue next election because of these uptight people obsessed about sex and banging on Bibles!

Thank you for this latest example of Lack of Leadership in the GOP!

I am extremely pissed as this so called leadership.

What a bunch of morons!

"Put the party before the State and the Country!"

Good move (not)!

ASBESTOS 7 years, 5 months ago

Republican Creed
I am a Republican because ...
I believe the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.
I believe in equal rights, equal justice and opportunity for all, regardless of race, sex, creed, age or disability.
I believe free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.
I believe government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of what they earn.
I believe the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations and that the best government is that which governs least.
I believe the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.
I believe Americans must retain principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of the times.
I believe Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.
Finally, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

Uhlrick says: "The "liberal" organization that Rothschild belongs to is his church. A Unitarian I believe."

Uh oh, Ferd. The truth police are here to administer your daily beat down. Assume the position.

staff04 7 years, 5 months ago

http://www.kansascity.com/news/columnists/mike_hendricks/story/213657.html

"We're not compelling anyone to make a pledge to the GOP," said Christian Morgan, executive director of the state party. "You've just got to not endorse a Democrat."

Sad, and telling...

"You don't have to agree with us, you just can't disagree with us."

werekoala 7 years, 5 months ago

ferdie's just trying to distract from the main thread of this article -- that ties holding the Kansas GOP together are so threadbare that the only solution is forcing conformity. No more big tent. No more letting your conscience be your guide. Only blind allegiance to the party uber alles.

I'm sure it's a positive sign. Let me know how it works out for you all.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

ferd says: "The UU is more of a political organization than it is a religious one (try telling us what religion UU practices)."

OK, if they are more of a political organization, then how would they be able to maintain their tax status?

So, again, your slam on someone is a major stretch when held to the light of day. As your statements evolve, he goes from Grand Poobah to a member that made a brief statement to a periodical published by the organization itself. And you dare question their credibility. Unbelievable!

fletch 7 years, 5 months ago

"The fact is that UUA has taken many stances on political issues Rothschild covers for the J-W. This includes the living wage, same-sex marriage, the war in Iraq, education, and abortion. This creates a huge conflict of interest."

So do the Southern Baptists. And the Catholic church. And just about every other church in America..... So I'm not seeing your point. It's okay for some churches to be politically active as long as they agree with you?

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm sorry, but you contradict yourself in your own post. First you say:

"The UU is more of a political organization than it is a religious one"

then you quote Rothschild as saying:

"There was a lot of concern about separation of church and state and why we should help the schools when it was really up to the politicians."

If this isn't a religious organization, why would he care about church/state issues?

But even that aside, this allegation is absolutely frightening from several standpoints.

  1. Had the allegation been "Rothschild is a member of a liberal religious denomination" I suspect no one would have complained about that point (the implications, yes, the point, no). But that's not what was posted. The allegation was that "Scott Rothschild is a political activist who as recently as 2006 served as the president of a liberal organization in Topeka." That's deliberately misleading if not an outright lie. The amount of information you left out was far more than the information you included and when you have to do that to make a point, you, sir, have no credibility.

  2. You then try and cover your tracks by saying "(try telling us what religion UU practices)".

I have no intention of trying to tell you what religion UU practices and you shouldn't have asked. Is there now a religion police that determines whether or not a religion is actually an appropriate religion? Can Hillary Clinton send them to your church if she gets elected to determine whether or not your church hasn't become a "political organization"? The question here is horrendous. How can you call yourself a conservative and yet want to deprive someone of their livelihood because of their religious beliefs? Does that also extend to their race, gender or ethnicity?

  1. "The fact is that UUA has taken many stances on political issues Rothschild covers for the J-W. This includes the living wage, same-sex marriage, the war in Iraq, education, and abortion."

Ever hear of Terry Fox, Jerry Johnston, or Joe Wright? If a reporter attends one of their congregations should they be excluded from covering those issues? Never mind going that far, by your standard if a reporter's denomination, or faith tradition "has taken many stances on political issues" you want them off the story.

How about race? If I think racism is wrong, should I be pulled off those stories? Must a reporter be morally neutral on the issues of the day before they can write about them?

Ad hominem attacks are logically irrelevant most of the time for any reason, but you've crossed some really frightening thresholds with these allegations against Rothschild. Indeed, I'm amazed that some of your religious right pals weren't the ones to take you to the woodshed.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

"You can't polish a ferd."

I think you're in the running for post of the day.

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

Oh my goodness, i missed this gem from RT:

"if Republicans could read a liberals mind. The thing is, you'd have to 'reboot' every day or more often, to keep up with the constant waffling."

And this from the party of Sam Brownback who voted both for and against the same bill in a 15 minute period and then tried to rationalize the flip saying he liked the idea, but not the bill. Quick what's Sam's position today?

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

And will the loyalty committee be giving Sam a call?

Jamesaust 7 years, 5 months ago

"Talk like that will get you a visit from the Loyalty Squad."

I already get visits after my checkbook closed.

Jamesaust 7 years, 5 months ago

"I don't see how this is any different than terminating a Coca-Cola driver for drinking Pepsi on the job."

It isn't - unless the Coca-Cola driver is the owner of Coca-Cola - just like Republicans "own" the Party, not the other way around.

Another day, down on the GOP Plantation!

Tychoman 7 years, 5 months ago

"Could anyone imagine the president of the Kansas Republican Assembly reporting on Democrat Party happenings?"--Arminius.

Yes, Arminius. It's called getting both sides of the issue. Moron.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

ferd says: "Rothschild's case is different in that he was the leader (i.e., president) of the group."

I haven't seen or heard anything that states he was a leader or president. Care to back that up?

For that matter, I'm a board member of a 501(c) organization. So, I guess I can't write about them or any opposition, right?

Frederic Gutknecht IV 7 years, 5 months ago

I second the nomination of Keith's "You can't polish a ferd." for POST OF THE DAY! ...only because it made me laugh. I can't verify the statement and I certainly don't wish to test it.

staff04 7 years, 5 months ago

I missed something--when in this article did Rothschild report on his organization?

staff04 7 years, 5 months ago

ferd, I'm sorry, but you sound more ridiculous today than usual. The reporter here has reported on a factual, confirmed occurrence, not on a religious organization [unless you count the conservative wing religious (which might not be an unfair label after the establishment of the loyalty committee)]. As with each day, your comment become increasingly irrelevant as you further discredit yourself.

staff04 7 years, 5 months ago

greyheim beat me to it, but I second his comments about the relevance of ferd's comments.

Jamesaust 7 years, 5 months ago

ferd: "Lieberman is one of a handful of true Democrats left in Congress."

Excuse me, Kevin, but Lieberman was re-elected with open support from many key Republican party officials in Connecticut - despite the fact that there was a Republican on the ballot. Please first denounce the Connecticut GOP machine that committed this treason and demand a Nutmeg State Loyalty Oath!

"If more Democrats were like him, I may not have left the Democrat Party in 1988."

Yeah, you a few hundred thousand other Dixiecrats.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

ferd says: "I did in the very post you just responded to. It was UUFT's own web site. Here is it again: http://web.archive.org/web/2005110910374:"

Thanks, Ferd. I missed it. My bust.

As far as someone not being able to report on a story because they belong to a church, or even hold a position in a church organization in which the church has a set of beliefs or a particular belief that is different than the group that is the subject of the report, I still don't agree and you could probably find plenty of examples of that occurring on either side.

Also, I believe that you have mis characterized the situation in several ways. He was a member of a committee that decided that they would pay the taxes even though they were exempt from them to make a point about school funding. They said it should be up to the politicians - not a particular politician or party. It's no secret that the legislature was having a tough time coming to terms with their obligations on that matter.

The article comes from a periodical from UU, so that's a bit different than the other situations you cite. He happened to be on the committee and made a suggestion that the rest of the committee agreed with. I haven't seen anything that suggests that he held himself out there in his J-W capacity. And all I see is that he made some comments on how it came about, which appears to cross no line. And it is from early 2003. He wasn't the president then, was he?

To me, it looks like much ado about nothing. As far as not reporting the Soros connection, come on. I'm sure there's a bunch of related info that could have been reported, but then the story would become bloated with TMI, so much as to distract from the main point of the story.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 7 years, 5 months ago

The aspect that I find most interesting from the KRP's actions is that it potentially sets up a perfect situation for a 3rd political party to really take root and have some real clout.

Kodiac 7 years, 5 months ago

Hey what happened to Ferd. I think he might have gotten himself booted again. Well daggum it. There goes the neighborhood.....

Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 7 years, 5 months ago

So then we agree. "You can't polish a ferd" is the post of the day.

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