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Archive for Monday, July 16, 2007

Body found at Yello Sub is identified

Justin A. Emmons, 34, was found dead at the closed establishment

July 16, 2007, 8:07 a.m. Updated July 16, 2007, 11:29 a.m.

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Lawrence police this morning are investigating the discovery of a 34-year-old man's body at Yello Sub's campus location, 624 W. 12th.

They identified the man as Justin A. Emmons of Lawrence.

The business closed Saturday, and on Sunday a party was held at the building, which now has graffiti written on the outside and two windows broken.

A former employee of the business said he discovered the body. Capt. Ed Brunt of the police department said the body was discovered about 6:20 a.m. today.

The Yello Sub, along with other businesses at 12th and Oread, are the site of a planned hotel and retail development. Yello Sub's last day in business at the location was Saturday. Friday night, an employee said a party was planned there Sunday to mark the closing of the campus location.

Police said the cause of death was still under investigation

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vinividivici 6 years, 9 months ago

ihatejohntravolta: the reason they were at yellow sub was because the plan was to clean up the mess from the party (which nobody expected to get so out of hand) and, i believe, inventory the kitchen equiptment which they are planning on selling.

justin went to the party to say goodbye to big part of his life and left when things got out of hand. he went back a couple hours later to get his bike and go home. what happened to him was truly a tragedy. i will forever miss his rambling 5 minute long voice messages and waking up in the morning to see him asleep on my couch. i still can't believe he is gone.

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Laura Watkins 6 years, 9 months ago

just curious....anyone know why people were up at yello sub at 6:15 in the morning?

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Calliope877 6 years, 9 months ago

"Somehow he cut an artery in his leg on some broken glass in the building and bled to death."

God, if that's how he died that's a horrid way to go.:( It makes it all the more sad. My condolences to friends and family.

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Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 9 months ago

So now it's LPD's fault that this guy died???

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devieh 6 years, 9 months ago

i was there as well, i can't believe no one has mention the lawrence police department did nothing to prevent this. they came to the scene pretended to arrest a girl for shooting off fireworks and then left and there was broken glass and booze everywhere.

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greyfeld 6 years, 9 months ago

I didn't know Justin extremely well, but we had known each other for many years; our paths having crossed in a friends of friends way many times. He was always cheerful, greeted me with an enthusiastic hand shake and seemed genuinely happy to see me again every time we met. He was always interesting to talk to and was a wonderful, productive member of our community. I was literally stunned this morning when I saw his picture on the front page of the LJW.

If you've lived in Lawrence for any length of time, you probably ate a meal at one time or another that Justin had cooked. He was a trained chef and worked as a cook all over town for years. He had recently helped to open the Big 12 Burrito store behind the Crossing. In years prior, he had actually moved to the Northwest and opened a restaurant on an island. He loved to cook, he loved life, his friends and family loved him immensely. He was genuine, real in every sense of the word.

In thinking back over the past few days, it is odd some of the things that happened. My family tried to order delivery from that Yello Sub on Sunday for lunch. It was closed. We had no idea it was closing. And last night, before I found out this morning about his death, I was listening to the Wipers "Over the Edge" CD while I was watering my garden. It was a CD that I had loaned Justin a few years ago. I think he was the only person that I had ever loaned it to. He was very into music and we had turned each other on to a number of different bands over the years. Very strange synchronicity.

From what I have understood, and I by no means have any concrete evidence or inside scoop because I wasn't involved in the party or worked at the Sub, he went in to get his bike that he had left there earlier in the night when he left the party. Somehow he cut an artery in his leg on some broken glass in the building and bled to death. The fact that his life has ended in such a tragic fashion is deeply saddening to me and many others in the community. Regardless of the wreckless and irresponsible nature of the party, we have lost a friend and a good person. My deepest sympathys go out to his family and close friends.

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Bill Chapman 6 years, 9 months ago

1> No one's death should be ignored. However, there are people who simply M U S T belittle it. These people usually are the ones most afraid of death. Others simply accept it and move on with their lives. All of this is human nature, and peoples' various way of dealing with the fact that everyone dies sooner or later. 2> Yello Sub is an institution. It is one of the best (if not the best) sandwich shops in Lawrence, and has been since opening. The very fact it has managed to stay in business in Lawrence (with our highly competitive restaurant businesses) for so long is not a mistake - Yello Sub makes the best subs in town (in my opinion). I am sad to see that Yello Sub is reduced to only one location in Lawrence, and hope to see a second location open soon. 3> This is a forum - N O T a newspaper! Open comment forums (like the J-W's) will always have stupid, idiotic, and just plain rude comments. If someone does not like these comments then they should start reading the more restrictive forums - although this could lead to a close-mindedness on the part of the readers. The J-W's has a policy for comments posted on the forum - it allows for open discussion on topics while restricting those who violate the policy. Posters should know the difference between a newspaper and a comment forum before complaining about others' posts and comparing the forum to a newspaper.

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Linda Endicott 6 years, 9 months ago

Quite frankly, if I ever have a family member or friend die and it makes the newspaper, and especially these forums, I would NEVER come here and even look at any of the posts...

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troubleeveryday 6 years, 9 months ago

p>LJWorld.com must be bereft of both foresight and professionalism not to have disabled comments upon release of stories of such a sensitive nature, such as this one. The rampant imbecility and shallow, heartless posting is, without a doubt, regrettable and shameful, but it is only allowed/perpetuated by the lack of action on the part of the publication. Freedom of speech is not at issue here. This is supposed to be a newspaper.

Best regards to the family in their time of loss.

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R_Kobe 6 years, 9 months ago

He was a fun person who was easy to get along with and told great stories he died before his time and will be missed by many.

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MacHeath 6 years, 9 months ago

As far as I can tell, this poor guy could have had a heart attack. Some of you folks need your meds adjusted. Making off-color remarks about the recently departed is borish and rude, no matter what the cause of death. I have been around long enought to witness the closing of the Jawhawk Cafe. The gaslight tavern was just down the street...I miss those days. BTW...the gaslight burned, and it wasnt an accident. Condolences to friends and family. I have lost lots of friends, family and aquaintences in the last few years. I couldnt imagine how terrible it would make me feel to see any of them berated by the senceless morons that post here.

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pelliott 6 years, 9 months ago

i am so sorry that this family had to suffer this loss. it's young to die and he sounded like a good friend to many. This is not much to say. I never know really what to say when someone has lost a son or brother but my mom says one should only say sorry for the lose. Be careful what you say as people in grief are already in enough pain.

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Emily Hadley 6 years, 9 months ago

Please remember in your words here that some of us knew this person.

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Monty Amick 6 years, 9 months ago

pogo,

huh?????? thanks for nothing

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Pogo 6 years, 9 months ago

"As it is written; So it shall be...."

I quote the good book.

The property has been painted over by the boy that bought it......

Ok....I ate at the place the day it opened and continued to eat there.....from time to time.....until it closed. The quality of the turkey sub deteriorated in the last many years. The quality of the roast beef did the same. Better than Subway, though.

This place was no "....Lawrence 'institutions' to those of us who know what a "Lawrence Institution" really....is. It was a little brother, though.

I must say that we saw the news reports from KC about this "event" and then drove up there: NONE OF THAT STUFF IS THERE NOW

Ok...that means Fritzelland, Inc. painted it. FINE BY US: GOOD TO SEE THAT THAT SECTION OF THE HILL IS NOW CONTROLLED BY THE MONIED SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO OWN AROUND UP IN HERE CAN GET WHAT WE PAID FOR AND, hopefully, THAN SOME.

That corner is better suited to the addage: THEM THAT HAS, GETS.

We see no crime in making what was now. hawk only tells you dumbboldts the truth. The truth hurts. Such is life. Grow up. Get a job. CONTRIBUTE. Stop the taking, please.

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

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BABBOY 6 years, 9 months ago

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Calliope877 6 years, 9 months ago

My heart goes out to the family of this man who wasn't too much older than myself.

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TheRealDecider 6 years, 9 months ago

b3, you're a stupid fukking azzhole.

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macon47 6 years, 9 months ago

this mans death was a tragedy. ENOUGH SAID. the problem lies with the reproductive cycle of todays enlightened youth. they have no obligations, or responsibilities. they hook up when and where they want to. what ever happens, happens, and they walk away i get sick of reading about some unfortuntate mother with 4 kids and 3 different fathers, that cannot make ends meet. she needs a house and food for her kids!!!!!!!!!!

stand in line at any grocery store, and see the grand parents in line with their grand kids,because thier kids are losers and no one will raise them but gramma and grandpa

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somebodynew 6 years, 9 months ago

b3 - he was held accountable for his actions (if they were his) with the ultimate price. So be it.

I am truly sorry for the grief this is causing the family and friends. This is a tragic situation for them.

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b3 6 years, 9 months ago

Yep, it is always somebody else's fault. Yes, it is too bad that this person had to die in a trashed out and soon to be demolished building, however, we must remember that he put himself in the position for this to happen by attending this debauchery of a party, people have got to start being held accountable for their actions.

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Monty Amick 6 years, 9 months ago

I do not care about roundabouts, gay mayors, yellow house owners, or any of the other tripe that is discussed on this "forum". What I care about is honesty. If any of you actually know Justin, son, friend, brother, then speak honestly about this fine young man. If you are merely speculating then please mind your own business. A wonderful Lawrence family is currently mourning the loss of their oldest son. I hope this never strikes my home or yours. Please show respect for our friends (and yourselves for crying out loud!) and keep things nice for once. I don't care about your opinions just show some respect for a wonderful family that has lost their hearts on this sad day.

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Oracle_of_Rhode 6 years, 9 months ago

How could parents could raise people like these ... who enjoy belittling others in mourning over the death of a loved one ... who scream outrage over vandalism to property while uttering not a peep over the loss of human life ... who turn bellicose over a party, like civilization is crumbling, while they mock the very idea of civility by heaping abuse upon the family of a man who has just passed away?

Notice, friends, these same anonymous abusers of mourners, these same jackals who gleefully gloat over someone's death, are the same ones who crow about their family values. These are the same scoundrels who crave more war in the middle east, who want more Wal-Marts, more guns, more pro-business politicians in Lawrence. These are the people that hate gays, hate affirmative action, hate libraries and public transportation.

Ultimately, these trolls without conscience are like little Satans, sitting in dark rooms cheering on death and destruction of community, art, spirit, individuality and love.

I'm sorry they get the satisfaction of causing outrage during this time of sadness, without feeling any of the physical pain they so richly deserve -- if only their cowardly cruelty were hissed in person.

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macon47 6 years, 9 months ago

b3, you are quite correct, the saddest part is the generation that THIS generation produces, , will be even worse, if you can imagine it. when your folks are derelicts, and you have a mother with 4 kids from 3 different fathers, you learn the welfare game, and how to make it work, so you never have too. just suck off of john q pubick, and BLAME THE MAN for your problems

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b3 6 years, 9 months ago

This is a by-product of todays society and the way kids are raised, they are taught to be yourself and do not comform to the norm. So many people today believe that they are not responsible for their own actions, that it is always somebody else's fault, bad parents, teachers, etc... People are taught that they do not need to grow up and that if everybody else is doing it then it can't be all that bad. People need to start waking up and acting like adults.

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Bubbles 6 years, 9 months ago

Didn't someone die at the wakarusa fest last year?

Why is it that when the loons get together to party someone dies?

Then after the cluster f**k for a party everyone has to explain how wonderful and wholesome it was and as an after thought how loved and wonderful the collateral dead are?

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 6 years, 9 months ago

"Because it doesn't belong to you. How would you like it if someone "expressed" themselves on your trailer home; with the tools of artistry being a hammer and spray paint?"

The best part of working at the Sub is that the place does belong to you.

Okay, my mistake. Since you own it, why did you decide to tear it down and put condos in its place???

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maghayan08 6 years, 9 months ago

"Opinions are like rectums. Everyone has them and they are all full of S***."

So instead of trying to get the last word in, I implore you to think about what is at the heart of the matter- That a kind, gentle, sincere man that should other wise be going about his day, is dead. That is all that matters- not the media's portrayal of the incident, nor the dilapidation of Lawrence, nor the depravity of the youth of my generation. Justin Emmons is dead, and we should not be bickering about pointless issues but instead we should be mourning.

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shiny 6 years, 9 months ago

I am appalled at the heartlessness and insensitivity of many of the posters here. It really seems to be escaping the notice of a lot of you that a man died last night. An actual living breathing human being that could just have easily been your friend or family member DIED, and you're all cracking jokes and whining about some graffiti on a building that was going to be torn down anyway. And by the way - that building and what it stood for meant something to this man and many others, just because it didn't mean much to you doesn't mean you should diminish the fact that it was a big part of someone else's life.

No, I'm not a regular poster here, so I don't know that this is normal, and frankly I find that even more obscene - you have nothing better to do than add grief to the situation? That's absolutely horrible. If you want to make crass comments, go to another article without such a heavy subject matter.

To Justin's friends and family, I am deeply sorry for your tragic loss. Please know that some of the posters here do not speak for everyone.

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TheHeartlessBureaucrat 6 years, 9 months ago

I'll bet this man's family and friends couldn't give a damn about that building right now. I've never met him. But I hope his loved ones are spared this tirade of self indulgence.

THB

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beekone 6 years, 9 months ago

Is your last name Dingus for real?

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Aileen Dingus 6 years, 9 months ago

I wasn't there, I don't know anyone involved, I never went to that Yello Sub, so I feel I can post this as a completely uninvolved observer. If you know of anything that went on there last night, a public forum is not the place to debate or discuss it. I'm going to bet there will be an investigation into what happened, so keep your yaps shut and your facts straight.

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halfgreengirl 6 years, 9 months ago

Exactly. Again, I'm terribly sorry for your loss and there shouldn't be any real assumptions on what exactly happened. Thank you so much for clarifying. I respect you and all his friends very much and I send my condolences.

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squidly 6 years, 9 months ago

Thank you, behart. Thank you.

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behart 6 years, 9 months ago

Justin cut his leg trying to reteive his bike. He wasnt wasted and he wasnt high he was sad. I think we should drop it if he or any of his friends cant be respected.

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Mr_Ramirez 6 years, 9 months ago

Just read the K-ST bus story for the true ugliness of the LJW Forums.

A classless group.

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beekone 6 years, 9 months ago

"Because it doesn't belong to you. How would you like it if someone "expressed" themselves on your trailer home; with the tools of artistry being a hammer and spray paint?"

The best part of working at the Sub is that the place does belong to you. Everyday you work along side the owners. Everyday you contribute just as much as the people that own, and more than likely condoned the destruction of, the Yello Sub.

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squidly 6 years, 9 months ago

I would like to echo katerdo99 words. I would also like to add, for those of you who have commented on the drunken, irresponsibility, vandalism etc. that: 1. The party was full of positive energy, love and nostalgia. 2. It only turned ugly when a person who was not at the party and in no way affiliated with Yello Sub, threw a paint can through the front window. The police arrived, and everyone left peacefully, including Justin.

We may never know why Justin went back to The Sub. What we do know is that a good person, and a good friend lost his life last night. And it was not because of a bunch of drunken druggies. The last thing that Justin would want is for a bunch of fools to turn this into something that it isn't.

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halfgreengirl 6 years, 9 months ago

Honestly everyone, I don't care how "mild" it is. It's still pure ugliness and it's completely uncalled for when discussing someone who died less than 24 hours ago. I don't care how "normal" it is to have ridiculous comments like those on here, I'm well aware. I've been on here a while. However, I won't sit by while someone disrespects both the deceased and his friends and family.

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macon47 6 years, 9 months ago

this mans death was a tragedy. but the rest of you need to suck it up and get a life. end of an era, blah blah blah, anyone with money could have saved the yellow sub BUT NO ONE CAME FORWARD AND DID ANYTHING its the degenerates living in their parents basements sitting around whining on the curb crying in thier beer that you hear today.

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 6 years, 9 months ago

And since the building is going to be demolished, why not use it as a canvass for self-expression?

Because it doesn't belong to you. How would you like it if someone "expressed" themselves on your trailer home; with the tools of artistry being a hammer and spray paint?

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stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 9 months ago

halfgreengirl You don't have to get use to the ugliness but sometimes it is best just to ignore it.

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Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 9 months ago

halfgreengirl, you're apparently new here. Get used to it. Actually, most of the comments on this thread have been pretty mild.

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Ghost78 6 years, 9 months ago

My condolences to this man's friends and family.

Also, my condolences to the incoming freshman who won't get to experience the unique environment of the on-campus Yellow Sub. The place was a dive, but it was far more memorable than just another chain sandwich shop; the kind of place that you would go to meet up with an old college friend and reminisce about the first time you ate there. Nobody holds sentimental value over a Subway.

Finally, this is starting to sound very much like a party that got out of hand. I hope this death was completely accidental and not another senseless alcohol or drug-related death. Making reckless choices sometimes leads to the ultimate price, and the burden is carried by friends and family.

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halfgreengirl 6 years, 9 months ago

It's my personal input that people like hawkperchedatriverfront need to be permanently banned from these forums.

hawkperched - Stop cutting people down. Stop ripping up their opinons and thoughts. Your attempts at being an "online bully" are failing miserably and they're making you look like a fool. Not to mention letting everyone know how completely heartless you really are, and that isn't a compliment, by the way. However, if you continue to tear down whosoever you choose by using this forum (which is supposed to be an open means of shared thought and communication) I will have no qualms about reporting you to the LJ World myself for simply disrupting this forum and making discussions absolutely miserable for everyone else. Not to mention attempting to crush the bright and innocent ideas of the good people on here.

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stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 9 months ago

offtotheright And you think what you just did is grown up?

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beekone 6 years, 9 months ago

"You idiot hippies need to grow up!" --mature person

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offtotheright 6 years, 9 months ago

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behart 6 years, 9 months ago

Amen Tiff good to see some love! And by the way I would chain myself to Free State if they even prentended like messing with it and I never worked there. Some things are bigger than "just another buisness". The crossing has been there in one form or another since 1934 and it is next to go. Maybe I shouldnt care but maybe some others should care more.

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lrN51EXCXydF 6 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, i was there, too. Markers were everywhere, the theme of the evening wasn't "let's trash this place", but rather "let's leave a mark here". It took a single person with a single lapse of judgment to throw some debris through the window. There were a couple of people throwing chairs and toilet paper, but each time, a few other people would give them a dirty look and right the chairs or collect the paper.

Destruction was not the theme.

And downtown squalor? I call it "affordable cost of living". But right, let's just tear everything down and build luxury suites so the wealthy can live near campus and downtown, that sounds like a sound idea. I love my neighborhood, down the street from the hill, and wouldn't change it for all the skyscrapers in skyscraperia.

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katerdo99 6 years, 9 months ago

Who cares whether the place got trashed or not. It's getting torn down!! The point is a person has lost his life. A person that people care about in a place that people care about. Can't we focus on that? I'm a former employee of Yello Sub and it was more than just a job. Like others on here have said, people have met friends and spouses from their time working at the sub. It was more than just a place to work and a place to eat sandwiches. There were a lot of memories made there for a lot of people. Justin was one of the first people I met when I started working at Yello Sub. He was very friendly and helpful and made me feel comfortable in a completely new environment. He will be sadly missed. I hope that we can all focus on his life rather than how much people might think that Lawrence sucks now. RIP Justin.

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bigwillyshakes 6 years, 9 months ago

i was at the party, and it was not about trashing the place. at all. it was about losing the sub, which IS lawrence history and saying goodbye to a staple of my childhood. it was grief for a period of so many lives that was now over. and what happened is that, somehow, a life (i refuse to say "full" or "entire") ended as well. and we, EVERY ONE OF US that was there that was there for the right reason, are in mourning today. for the love of god, this is not what we wanted or intended. we wanted to party, to pour libations. yes, there were markers going around and people were writing goodbyes, but the intent was not to destroy. many of us there actively opposed and tried to prevent the rampant destruction that took place in the later (earlier?) hours perpetrated by a few overly-drunk (expletive deleted). we were all VERY upset at every new thing that went wrong. i left very late, after most, and came home, but not without a sense of dread. i woke up this morning and found out the news. i did not know him personally, but i knew of him. my roommate worked there, so i had heard stories, etc. my condolences as well to the family and friends, and know that i will be doing that in person very soon.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

papergirl, you were at the party and refer to the deceased as a "kid" who died. 34 is hardly a kid. One can only assume paper girl that you are older if 34 is a kid to you. So, given that assumption, paper girl, your being at the party and using the building as a canvas only exacerbates the situation. Your being older should have demonstrated responsibilty. AND again, Yellow Sub is nothing more special than other places in town.

Since you claim to be there and your friends, one can only wonder what day you plan to tear up The Crossing or finish off the house to the north, which the Camp family owned and provided housing for decades. The Camp house was more of an institution. If spywell knows their history, they will recall Mr. Camp sitting on the porch and the laundry facilities on the basement side that many fraternity and neighboring students utilized. They were neighborhs then, unlike now.

mourn paper girl, you will find yet another institution to hang out at and trash when it's closing takes place.

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beekone 6 years, 9 months ago

"we didn't destroy the place we used it as a canvas for our disproval of its tearing down. we finalized our memories of a very important place. i feel horrible for the kid who died:.this shouldn't have happened, but using this party to express your views on how "trashy" lawrence has become is ridiculous. very soon that location will be nothing more but a symbol of democracy in action- corprate america and its need to buy out anything not of its standards. we used this party as a form of protest, not of "trashing up" this city." --Papergirl

Well put. Yello Sub, especially that location, has long served as a symbol of Lawrence's free spirit. The true outrage should come from what's going to be put in the shop's place, not the expression of its destruction.

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tlearned 6 years, 9 months ago

To those of you in Lawrence and beyond: I was and am sickened at how last night went down. I went to bed last night with a pit in my stomach about having lost the place where I met some of my best friends, some of the wackiest fun-loving loony tunes people of all time, the place my brothers, my friends and I had helped to build into a Lawrence establishment, the place where I met and fell in love with my husband , where my friends met and fell in love, where I could smoke a joint on the back counter and laugh my ass off with some of the coolest people to walk this earth while making my $5.85 an hour, where I met cream cheese guacamole sandwiches, veggie chili and a peppermint lemonade and the Pixies and Wilco, and where I was introduced to the beauty that was (is?) Lawrence Kansas. I awoke this morning stunned to learn I had actually lost a friend in the event. Justin was a former roomate and dear old friend of Scott and I. The man looked like a stray cat, drank way too much coffee, exaggerated stories, and quite frankly I was a little concerned upon meeting him that very first day that they let him handle food, and he will stay tenderly forever in my heart and mind just that way. In short he was fanflippingtastic. My friend and the Sub are gone and I feel like they took Lawrence with them.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

horsegirl, you should read my comments. NO comment was made about this Mr. Emmons. The comments were made before he was identified. Yellow Sub is no more Lawrence than Free State Brewery or Earl's Pizza was. When it closed downtown the patrons and employees didn't tear up the building. Perhaps, riding that horse, horsegirl has bounced your thoughts about too hard.

So, tell me: When WEAVERs department store goes out of business , the employees and customers and friends will trash the place. One can only hope not.

THERE was no excuse for what took place at the building. If Mr. Emmons was responsible and NOT LIKELY, then there would be a story. Right now, we do not even know the circumstances except that he was found dead . So there you go, horsegirl, saddle up and ride into the wind.

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stephenj 6 years, 9 months ago

hawkperched is the "trashed up" part of this community, you can't be f'n serious. My condolences to the friends and family of the deceased.

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spywell 6 years, 9 months ago

Where will the football fans go if the nobs slinging Eldridge burgers, 4000 people walking up the hill, there going to get thirsty. I think this is all about the football games being moved to Kansas City. Will all those old retired farts living in $1,200,000.00 studios appreciate game day on the hill. No. Just how many of these high end studios @ $750,000.00 a pop are still vacant down by Borders Books. There resale will be a downward slope.

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papergirl 6 years, 9 months ago

i was at this party. it was amazing. we didn't destroy the place we used it as a canvas for our disproval of its tearing down. we finalized our memories of a very important place. i feel horrible for the kid who died....this shouldn't have happened, but using this party to express your views on how "trashy" lawrence has become is rediculous. very soon that location will be nothing more but a symbol of democracy in action- corprate america and its need to buy out anything not of its standards. we used this party as a form of protest, not of "trashing up" this city.

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horsegirl 6 years, 9 months ago

I think HAWKPERCHEDATRIVERFRONT needs to move somewhere else. If you don't like it in Lawrence. Get out. And if you don't live here, then don't comment. And Yello Sub is uniquely Lawrence. I have many visitors come in to visit my office from all over the country and the one request is to all visit Yello Sub. Not for the atmosphere, though, just for the good subs. And, you really ought to be a little more considerate of the deceased one's family and friends. Thank you.

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concernedparent 6 years, 9 months ago

Am I missing something? So what happened to him? Did he OD? Someone murder him? What? So sorry for your loss though to his family and friends...

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

Too bad the older people in town that dined at Furrs didnt' show up in their electric wheelchairs with sledgehammers and take a swing at the the place. Of course not, they had a bit more sense and weren't all whacked out on booze and drugs, only the ones the doctors prescribed. Just because the building was being torn down is no reason to trash it. That only shows how "caring and concerned" these supposed patrons of the "institution" were. Yellow Sub is not an institution anymore than Bull and the Boar was or any other business that comes and goes. This is nothing but B.S. to perpetuate the myth that it was. The Rock Chalk Cafe was but no one tore that place up after it became The Ark, did they? no!

Personally, I am surprised beyond words that someone at the party, if you wil, didn't set the place on fire and then the deceased would have burned up.

AND who was in charge of the gathering that didn't check the place after the free for all was over? This recent incident only puts Lawrence in the news again and shows how trashed up the community is.

Welcome to Lawrence, Scripps Howard, Channel Five, we are more than glad to give our town national coverage and show what a bunch of drunk adults are capable of doing to the "institution" they love.

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littlelawrencian 6 years, 9 months ago

My condolences to Justin's family and friends. I knew him too, just an acquaintance but what I will remember most is his smile and his laugh, just a funny, intense guy who lived his life and had a good heart. You will be missed and you won't be forgotten. I figure he is up there with our ole buddy C.J. and they are sharing a laugh and a drink and probably looking up some of his favorite musicians, he sure loved music.

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SloMo 6 years, 9 months ago

No man is an island, entire of itself, independent of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less for it, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thine own or of thy friend's were.

Any man's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

  • John Donne

My apologies for any errors - I'm reciting from memory...

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beekone 6 years, 9 months ago

I can't believe how much negativity there is surrounding this story. Squidly's right, the Yello Sub, especially the campus location, means a lot to its employees. The annual Christmas parties are a blast, and the bonding that goes on outside and inside of the workplace is such that getting extremely drunk and partying really hard is the most fitting way for the employees to say goodbye. I regret not being able to attend myself. With 23rd being the only location that joint's about to become way more conservative.

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costello 6 years, 9 months ago

"I know the last thing I would want to read under an article like this on my loved one would be belittling and heartless comments."

If the LJW carried a story of any kind about someone I cared about, I wouldn't read the forum on that article. Some of the posters on this forum are beyond nasty. Unfortunately if you're not a regular here, you wouldn't know that, and you might stumble across incredibly hurtful comments by these creeps. I waiting for the day that one of them realizes the victim is one of their friends/family - after they've made the cruel comment.

My condolences to family and friends.

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squidly 6 years, 9 months ago

First of all, my condolences to Justin's family and friends, along with the many of the "irresponsible drunks and druggies" that were partying at The Yello Sub-partying with Justin. Justin was a long-time employee of The Yello Sub. Many of those, so called, irresponsible kids were friends of Justin's, and most of those kids were over 30 years old. Yes, they were partying. Yes, they got out of hand. Guess what, Justin was right along with them-saying goodbye to a very personal part of their lives. I'm sorry, but there is no comparison between Yello Sub and Furrs. Justin, I will miss you. You had a good heart. And to Justin's sister, please know that Justin was well loved.

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aquakej 6 years, 9 months ago

It is a rather bad sign that we are all so used to hearing about people being murdered. I mean, we read it in the paper, but do we really stop and think about it? We see stuff like this on tv everyday, and it seems commonplace. It's even a form of entertainment, following movies like James Bond and shows like CSI. Not that these movies/shows are bad, but they do de-sensetize us to violence. What can we do?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 9 months ago

Mission Hills is a city of almost 4000 people. They may be a bit surprised right now to find out 4th Grade Ed has deemed them not a city.

4th Grade - Honestly, where do you get your facts? Most things you post are so completely off.

PRambition - Ignore the idiots.

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Mr_Ramirez 6 years, 9 months ago

Attention friends and family of justin:

Do not read these comments.

People will be thoughtless and disrespectful in their postings. This is the lowest form of human communication. Trust me....

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Orwell 6 years, 9 months ago

4th_grade_education: Oh, I don't know: I might be that dumb. I read your response as describing what we call a distinction without a difference. I still don't see how those circumstances support your basic contention (that insufficient affordable housing causes crime).

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PRambition 6 years, 9 months ago

As Justin's sister, I truly hope I am the only family member that reads the slew of negative comments that have been posted after his tragic death. Thank you to those who knew him and even the kind words of those who didn't. If you were a friend of Justin's and would like to send condolences to the family please e-mail me at PRambition@hotmail.com. I will be sure that your thoughts are shared with the rest of the family.

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halfgreengirl 6 years, 9 months ago

I would just like to say that I'm so glad this discussion started going in a different direction. I'm so sorry, Behart. I know the last thing I would want to read under an article like this on my loved one would be belittling and heartless comments. I'm not sure exactly how this tragedy happened, but it doesn't matter. In the end, it's one less bright face in this city that friends, family, and even strangers like me will mourn. I hope your heart heals, and my thoughts are with you.

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4th_grade_education 6 years, 9 months ago

"So why does the Mission Hills Major Case Squad spend most of its time recovering lost poodles?"

I doubt you are really this dumb. Working class people have other housing options in areas immediately surrounding Mission Hills. Mission Hills is not an entire city, but more of a neighborhood.

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maghayan08 6 years, 9 months ago

Justin was a cook at our fraternity last year. I didn't know him that well, but i know he was a good guy and very sincere. Its almost surreal.

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Jillster 6 years, 9 months ago

Behart, I am sorry for your loss.

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jds 6 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if some of that retail space could be leased to Yellow Sub. I love having the place so close to campus. I don't want to go down to 23rd street. (Luckily I have tons of Planet Sub shops around me in the KC area.)

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Orwell 6 years, 9 months ago

4th_grade_education: ":it is too expensive to live here for most working class people. What does this lead to? Poverty. What does poverty lead to? Crime. It is a simple concept."

So why does the Mission Hills Major Case Squad spend most of its time recovering lost poodles?

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sammyk 6 years, 9 months ago

You rock behart. I have known the family since the early 90's and this is a accident that I am sure could have been avoided if people cared more for those around them instead of just themselves.

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Orwell 6 years, 9 months ago

hawkperchedatriverfront: Your logic escapes me. Things are trashy because of a desire to preserve them, and this is evidenced by a building being trashed only after it's closed for demolition and replacement. Huh?

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leadrain 6 years, 9 months ago

In a better place? Where is that? On a cold-slab being sucked dry for OUR benefit? I'd really like to know where any deceased could be that is thought of higher than breathing. JOKER-" The dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive." FMJ

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4th_grade_education 6 years, 9 months ago

"Winston Churchill: Any mans death deminishes me, for I am of mankind!"

It's actually a poem by John Donne.

"When a person is found dead in Lawrence, Kansas it doesn't ring the bell anymore, after we are constantly bombarded with details about the hundreds of people who are blown up, tortured, shot and beheaded in Baghdad every month.

George Bush has ruined this country in more ways than we'll ever know!"

Right, because this country has never been in a war before. Around 4000 Americans dead in this conflict over 4 years? Compare that to the over 70,000 Americans dead in Vietnam. This has nothing to do with war on foreign soil.

I'll tell you what the real statistic is that has to do with this: the fact that Lawrence has been losing population for the past 2 years. Do you want to know why? It is because it is too expensive to live here for most working class people. What does this lead to? Poverty. What does poverty lead to? Crime. It is a simple concept.

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lmm 6 years, 9 months ago

So, what hotel and retail center is going in??? Is this just north of the union??

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nana12 6 years, 9 months ago

You go behart, I loved your post. The kids today have no heart or even care about what goes on around them, Much less do something about it. I'm sorry about your friend. May God bless him, and he rest in Peace. He is in a better place then we are...

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stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 9 months ago

ksdivakat, That must have been Churchill on one of his better days... or he was just not making it clear who all he consider part of "mankind".

"I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes" -- Winston Churchill

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Bubbles 6 years, 9 months ago

So the hill has turned into Tianamen Square?

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Kat Christian 6 years, 9 months ago

My condolences to friends and family also. I think this town is getting worse and young people are getting more careless and irresponsible. I think our society has set a trend that drinking and partying at a young age is expected and acceptable entertainment. We now setlup establishements geared toward this sort of behavior and then when the young folks get stupid we are amazed and dumbfounded. Well build it and they will come and create havoc and chaos because drinking and partying is a breeding zone and nothing good can come from it. Just think about it. I vote we close down place like the Last Call and find something healthier and actually fun for our young people to spend their free time doing. Instead of getting drunk and vandelizing building.

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behart 6 years, 9 months ago

Has anyone lived in Lawrence longer than two months or for that matter on earth? No compassion, no sense of history? Where I became a man is being destroyed because of greed. My friend is dead because he cared. The people that trashed that building were stupid kids that had no buisness being there! I thought that I was upset last night when there was nothing that I could do to stop them from destroying my home, now I have a real funeral to go to. I hope you people can get a grip on what is important and what isnt. Your future depends on preserving our past. Like it or not if you live in Lawrence or went to KU that hill is part of you too! A man died mainly because he couldnt stand the fact that no one seemed to care enough to stand in front of this capitalist bulldozer. I hope you can understand. Rest in peace Justin

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ksdivakat 6 years, 9 months ago

Winston Churchill: Any mans death deminishes me, for I am of mankind!

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broddie 6 years, 9 months ago

So it's the manager of big 12 burrito. I wonder what happened?

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Mari Aubuchon 6 years, 9 months ago

I googled this guy's name and there was this UDK article concerning his Big 12 Burrito concept: http://www.kansan.com/stories/2007/apr/27/burrito/

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MysteryBuff 6 years, 9 months ago

This is so sad. May he rest is peace.

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aeroscout17 6 years, 9 months ago

Wow, went from breaking news to identified. I hope the next of kin have already been notified. My condolences to friends and family.

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halfgreengirl 6 years, 9 months ago

hawkperchedatriverfront:

It's the people like you I was talking about. People without compassion. It's absolutely sickening and I don't care how many years it's been progressing, I refuse to become a part of it and make believe as though all these deaths are "no big deal". You can go ahead and pretend, but don't expect me to join you.

And, just as a side note/request: please, if you're going to insult our town, don't live in it. If you're going to talk down to people on this forum and belittle their emotions and opinions, don't comment at all. Thank you.

P.S. - Thanks, broddie.

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kubacker 6 years, 9 months ago

halfgreengirl

When a person is found dead in Lawrence, Kansas it doesn't ring the bell anymore, after we are constantly bombarded with details about the hundreds of people who are blown up, tortured, shot and beheaded in Baghdad every month.

George Bush has ruined this country in more ways than we'll ever know!

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

halfgreen acts like the recent suicides are something new to Lawrence...halfgreen is half full of history....................!!

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

hey you are right about ridge court and therefore you have only heightened my point. The city wants the squalor!!

The yellow sub is not an institution anymore than the clothing store was that was once there or Squeezers ..get over it...it is an old house that has been converted into various business and trashing it makes a statement all right..it makes a statement that Lawrence is full of "trashy consumers and party goers and have no responsilbity to themselves or anything else" I hope the owners of the building bring suit against anyone found responsible for the trashing...someone held the "party" as it may be. Those who did the trashing are only an extension of their parents who raised a bunch of irresponsible drunks and druggies.

A house that was at Iowa and University drive got trashed before being demolished but it was not an institution, it was trashed by yet some more party goers who thought it would be cool to trash it. it

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trinity 6 years, 9 months ago

geez, halfgreengirl made a good post! crawl down off, hawk! who gave you a bowl of b!tchflakes for breakkie, anyhow?

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booklover 6 years, 9 months ago

Lawrence has had murders ongoing, woman gets chopped up and wheeled to the river in grocery cart, oldr lady near Lawrence high is murdered by neighborhood teenager, woman murdered in her house where Douglas County bank parking lot is, ...

JEEZE Hawk! Chill with the death and gloom already. YOU haven't been murdered ...be happy.

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cheeseburger 6 years, 9 months ago

smitty-

I hope you are wrong - I'd hate to think that those nasty comments were being made by law enforcement officers. However, whomever is making them is certainly a candidate for mental health intervention!

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broddie 6 years, 9 months ago

hawkperchedatriverfront: First of all, Furrs and Hereford House aren't unique Lawrence Institutions, which is why nobody would care enough to have a party when they closed. And since the building is going to be demolished, why not use it as a canvass for self-expression? As far as central Lawrence being the nexus of squalor, have you ever checked out the area around 25th and Ridge Court? Or what about the slums around Wintergreen andLazyBrook west of Kasold? Or the nasty, nasty little crackerboxes south of the Hallmark plant off Peterson Road? If even one of those slab-built, pressboard houses is still standing in 100 years it will be a miracle worth preserving... In case you hadn't noticed, your "9th to 19th, Arkansas to Mass" region includes the neighborhoods directly to the west and south of campus...some of the most exclusive properties in the city of Lawrence.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

halfgreen girl? what are you proposing> maybe a death march/parade to bring awareness to a town that has lost it's civility. I am more surprised there are not more deaths in the community given the drug usage, the alcohol consumption 24/7 and the promimity to larger metropoltian areas that the drug dealers come from as well as the party goers. Downtown has become one trashy party center, the areas (and please not they are not NEIGHBORHOODS as such) north east and south of the campus as far as they eye can see are squalor , filth and all created by the occupants. But then that is what the city wants. It is economics. So is the community numb? Not really but what you speak of is so commonplace and actually has gone on for years. Students have been found hanging in trees west of the stadium I recall, student falls from ledge of dorms, drunk , student walks out of GSP from window after being shacked up for the night, falls to death. Student drunk falls while trying to climb up balcony on apartments in 1100 block of Louisiana, suicides every year in town..it is the nature of the community and the lifestyles perpetuated.

Nothing new, but more of the same and more next year and the next year.

so, halfgreen what you wanna do? sit atop a tree stump and have the news media cover Lawrence?

Lawrence has had murders ongoing, woman gets chopped up and wheeled to the river in grocery cart, oldr lady near Lawrence high is murdered by neighborhood teenager, woman murdered in her house where Douglas County bank parking lot is, harry puckett murdered because thugs thought the old guy had money in his house, man murders child near the river, teenager and girlfriend murder guy and put him in a shed behind house out near riverside school, woman found in drainage tube some years ago west of town, woman murdered by suspect husband west of town, whats new? heavens there are more .... every year. AND to top it off we have had mental health programs and they apparently didnt' stop all these previous incidents....

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cheeseburger 6 years, 9 months ago

kontum1972-

I suppose it is your goal to anger and offend, as evidenced by your last several postings, but in deference to those affected by various tragedies, could you possibly refrain from postings which are crass, insensitive, hurtful, hateful, and in generally poor taste? As nasty as you are, I bet even you would be offended if someone were to make insensitive remarks to you at a time of loss. Please be more considerate of the feelings of others before posting insensitive comments on this forum.

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smitty 6 years, 9 months ago

Oh yeah, a couple of those that you are offended by are most likely law enforcement who are in need of mental health assistance.

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stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 9 months ago

halfgreengirl I think smitty is right. And the majority of Lawrencians don't even read these comments, in part because of the ugliness.

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smitty 6 years, 9 months ago

You're putting too much emphasis on those who do post. They are but a minor part of Lawrence and many are only here to vent or stir the poop pot.

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halfgreengirl 6 years, 9 months ago

Maybe it's just me, and, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but why does it seem that Lawrence has recently become pretty light-hearted and casual about death? It's not like we live in Kansas City or Topeka and we're used to having these things happen all the time. [And before everyone gets in an uproar over that, I used to live in Topeka and I was accustomed to an average of 5 to 6 shootings per night.] Lawrence has always been a generally peaceful city. When there is a shooting, a murder, a suicide, it forces our attention...normally. Anymore, it seems as though we've collectively misplaced our community empathy.

Yes, death is natural. Yes, it's a daily occurence. But why does it seem that we're becoming numb to it altogether? Like I said before, maybe it's just me, but that's what it seems like. It's as though we've used up all our sympathy and converted it to offhanded dark humor and generalized sideways-glance-type statements. It just bothers me is all. I'm not blaming anyone, and I'm certainly not saying that there haven't been any people who have been concerned about the recent deaths, I just wanted to see if anyone else has noticed the overwhelming number of the ones who haven't been.

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biggunz 6 years, 9 months ago

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TheRealDecider 6 years, 9 months ago

Why don't you move if you don't like Lawrence, you dumbass.

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Mr_Ramirez 6 years, 9 months ago

Stand by for LJW Forum detectives and comedians............idiots

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hawkperchedatriverfront 6 years, 9 months ago

What is a shame that just because a building is to be demolished that occupants and or attendees feel compelled to trash it. It was one heck of a party and for what? Just because a business is closing? Hereford house didn't have a party like that? Furrs didn't. This is another ongoing example of what is wrong in Lawrence, Check out houses from 9th to 19th from Arkansas to Massachusetts, even Mass and the filth and squalor is all over. The City Commission wants it that way. The neighborhood groups want it. They sure don't want anything torn down, but are fixated on saving everything. So on the plus side, maybe it is a "good thing" that the Sub was trashed. Personally, I am surprised it didn't burn down, given that the apartments to the east have in the past been burning furniture on a weekend basis in the street.

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Kontum1972 6 years, 9 months ago

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 9 months ago

I can't believe this has been up for an hour and a half and our local armchair CSI posters haven't logged on to tell us exactly without doubt what happened.

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small_fish_in_small_pond 6 years, 9 months ago

Probably shot by a gangster from Topeka....

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 9 months ago

Hmmmmm; the new hotel will now have its first ghost.

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trinity 6 years, 9 months ago

unreal. wonder what the "rest of the story" is.

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aquakej 6 years, 9 months ago

that's a shame to see it go to pot like that, so quickly.

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Laura Watkins 6 years, 9 months ago

Drove by there this morning. The windows were broken in and people have thrown paint and left trash everywhere. Disgusting.

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Fatty_McButterpants 6 years, 9 months ago

Must have been one heck of a party...

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