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Teacher planning time issue on hold

Education association, district agree to study plan for one year

July 14, 2007

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School District still working out details for upcoming school year

The start of the school year is just weeks away and the Lawrence School District and the local teacher's union are still trying to hash out details for the new year. Enlarge video

Elementary teachers may have to wait until 2008 to get extra time to plan their classes.

Negotiators for the Lawrence Education Association and the Lawrence school district decided Friday to put the issue on hold for one year in order to give each side more time to study the issue.

"I wouldn't say we're backing away from it," said Kelly Barker, LEA's chief negotiator. "What we're doing is we're continuing to take the plan that we have and we want to figure out how to implement it. We realize that's going to take a little bit more time than we thought."

The two sides drew up a "memo of understanding" that states they will continue to study the issue of giving elementary teachers at least five hours and 25 minutes of planning time per week, and that a plan should be implemented in time for the 2008-09 school year.

Negotiators also discussed getting rid of the district's early retirement program. The changes would apply only to those hired after the 2007-08 school year.

Kim Bodensteiner, administrator and chief negotiator for the district, said the existing early retirement system is too costly.

If a teacher's age and years of service add up to at least 85, he or she can get retirement benefits.

This year, 26 employees in the district took advantage of the early retirement system, while seven employees took regular retirement.

"We think that there are some other ways that we can craft a plan that would be more beneficial to employees and would help them build more funds for retirement in a different way," she said.

But money continues to be the sticking point for the two groups.

Negotiators for the district have offered teachers a pool of $1.2 million for a salary increase, health insurance costs and early retirement benefits. LEA, however, is asking them to spend $2.8 million.

Comments

cynical 6 years, 9 months ago

Tychoman Last sentence sums it up. Only the true un-educated would rant like this. Seems that they are jealous that teachers make more than than posters own minimum wage.

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Tychoman 6 years, 9 months ago

Plan at home, teach at school, talk about lazy. Cry me a river. --Distinguished and obviously privately-educated poster b3.

what a bunch of whiners!!!

work 8 months, get paid for a whole year, wah, wah, wah!!!

then they also get Wednesday afternoons off, plan then!

stupid whiners. --Distinguished and articulate podunk Martin D 15.

They're bad and they're nationwide. They demand full time pay for part time work. --Distinguished jackass Mick.

My God, guys! Do you know the amount of BS from both students and administrators that teachers have to deal with? I honestly don't know where to start when it comes to dealing with idiots like you three.

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Linda Endicott 6 years, 9 months ago

Going to workshops is not the only thing required of teachers during the summer, purplesage.

Continuing education, as in college courses, are required by every school district I know of. The cost of these classes every summer does indeed come out of the teacher's personal pocket. The district does not pay for them.

How many college courses do you think you could afford to pay for out of your own pocket every year?

A certain amount of in-service hours and continuing education every year is required for my job, too. However, the company pays us an hourly wage for all hours spent in in-service during the year. They also pay for the training. This is not true for teachers.

So, plumberscrack, teachers are supposed to be altruistic, noble people who care nothing about making money and supporting their families...but doctors don't have to be?

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nell 6 years, 9 months ago

flies, ag (1:36), dorothy (3:15), and wilbur - thank you.

plumbers - you're more than just a crack.

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cynical 6 years, 9 months ago

I guess, bottom line is. 1. Would all you negative posters do the job for the current pay? (Assuming you could qualify) 2. Assuming you fit number 1. Would you deal with parents and people like yourself? 3. Is the pay adequate for condition number 1 and 2?

Personal guess is most posters would fail at number 1. Probably because most wouldn't qualify.

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Wilbur_Nether 6 years, 9 months ago

plumberscrack wrote "We just can't quit a job because we don't get the raise we feel is right or do less work."

Sure we can. At least , we can in Kansas, which is a right-to-work State. We may not like the consequences of doing so, but we can quit a job for a good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all.

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purplesage 6 years, 9 months ago

It is true enough that certain hours for an agreed upon rate of pay are negotiated and spelled out in the contract. Believe me, minutes matter, student contact days matter. Boards won't give a minute to a teacher and most teachers watch the clock like hawks. So, if they really don't have summer off, how about year around school?

While teachers may, on occasion, pay for a class, most districts allow and pay for attendance at workshops. Additionally, teachers receive several days of paid inservice each year. Salary goes up with completed course work. It goes up with years of experience. And it goes up substantially with a completed advanced degree.

Once they are "in the groove" they do the same thing, year after year, unless an administrator upsets the apple cart and makes them change grades. How much planning does that require? Drop by a teacher's lounge and see how much planning is going on!

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 9 months ago

Oh, and to the person who talked about teachers in the past. They did not have to deal with all the bureaucratic crap the government is piling on schools, so they can destroy public education. Wait until you have to pay for private schools that need to make a profit. We'll end up a 3rd world country yet. A whole bunch of poor uneducated people, and a few filthy rich people. Everyone on this forum think they will be in the minority rich, but they will be wrong.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 9 months ago

The NEA will support merit raises for teachers if there was some way to do it objectively. Board members and administrators are human. They are mostly good, responsible people, but there are some who will use this power the wrong way. I knew a superintendent who raked a music teacher over the coals in front of her students, because she had given her daughter a detention. Do you think this teacher would have been recommended for a merit raise. She is an excellent teacher. If someone can come up with a plan to make the process fair, then I'm all for it. I think I'm a pretty good teacher, and would love to earn more. I came to teaching late in life, so I've held other jobs. The vast majority of jobs can be left at work. I never worried about taking a day off, because it wasn't as complicated teaching. Also, teachers are only paid for 9 (not 8) months. You can choose to divide it up by 9 months, or, like most, divide it by 12 months. For the family budget most choose 12 months.

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

plumberscrack (Anonymous) says:

we need more quality teachers and raising the pay and lowering the class time with students is NOT the way to get them or keep them. Teachers should be able to pay their bills and live comfortably but not to get rich! Be a doctor or lawyer if you need a job that makes you rich and leave the teaching profession to the quality individuals who love to be with kids and teach! For those of you teachers who DON'T complain about the pay or how much time you are spending in the classroom, YOU have my respect and best wishes! You other teachers complaining need to find other work; that pays you more for less work!

Have a quality day!


Okay... lessee what we can do here...

"We need more quality doctors and raising the pay and lowering their time with patients is NOT the way to get them or keep them. Doctors should be able to pay their bills and live comfortably but not to get rich! Be a lawyer if you need a job that makes you rich and leave the medical profession to the quality individuals who love to be with sick people and heal them! For those of you doctors who DON'T complain about the pay or how much time you are spending in the exam room or operating room, YOU have my respect and best wishes! You other doctors complaining need to find other work; that pays you more for less work!"

Hey, howzabout this one...

"We need more quality lawyers and raising the pay and lowering their time in the courtroom is NOT the way to get them or keep them. Lawyers should be able to pay their bills and live comfortably but not to get rich! Be a doctor or plumber if you need a job that makes you rich and leave the legal profession to the quality individuals who love to be with criminals and their victims! For those of you lawyers who DON'T complain about the pay or how much time you are spending in the courtroom, YOU have my respect and best wishes! You other lawyers complaining need to find other work; that pays you more for less work!"

Is that okay with everyone here??

--Ag

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Agnostick 6 years, 9 months ago

Martin_D_15 (Anonymous) says:

wah, wah, wah, what a bunch of whiners.

if you can read this, thank a teacher.

if you can read this in English, thank an American Soldier!

Soldiers are the real heroes!!!


And in which does your experience lie? "Teachin'" or "soldierin?'"

My guess is, NEITHER!

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

P.S. If you don't know enough to captialize the first word in a sentence, thank a "home-edjercaytid" crackpot like Martin_D_15 or b3!

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fliesinyoureyes 6 years, 9 months ago

plumber- 50% of teachers quit the profession after 3 years. Your rhetoric is the unfortunate reality. Teachers quickly discover that working in a public school is a sht job and they quit.

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storm 6 years, 9 months ago

What day of the week does most teen mischief occur - including sex? Wednesday afternoon. What day is pedophile day on the computer? Wednesday afternoon. And even if the above were only conjecture and not really true, what day is the most unproductive day for employees who are parents in Lawrence? Wednesday afternoon. Oh, I appreciate the teachers' time, effort and dedication and I know they need collaboration with all the new laws and responsibilites - but children's safety is more important than all that. Refer to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

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plumberscrack 6 years, 9 months ago

Bozo wrote:

You can expect anything you like of them, but that doesn't mean you'll get it- including that they will like it and/or pretend that they do. And you can expect that your kids will get a good education merely because of the selfless good will of teachers. Want a mediocre education for your kids? Then continue to treat the teachers like sh*t. In the end, you get what you pay for. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are you suggesting that "selfless" teachers not continue to educate our kids to the best of their abilities because they don't get their way, less classroom time for more pay?

Bozo, you seem to think that teachers won't continue to want to be teachers unless the taxpayers give into their every demand and this is just not realistic. If a teacher doesn't want to continue teaching because there is no more early dismissal or don't get quite the raise that they feel is due them, than they are exactly the teachers that need to find another job! The "good" teachers will continue teaching kids to the best of their abilities and will just hope that next year will be better for the taxpayers and they'll get the raise due them. That's what the rest of the working world has to do. We just can't quit a job because we don't get the raise we feel is right or do less work. Be thankful that they got a raise at all. Times are tough and tough decisions have to be made by everyone!

And Bozo, I truly doubt you pay "top dollar" for everything you buy. You don't ever shop around for the best price and company, huh? After all, you get what you pay for, right?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

"Why? Don't we expect the city employees NOT get a 'cost of living' increase because we don't want to raise taxes to pay them?"

You can expect anything you like of them, but that doesn't mean you'll get it-- including that they will like it and/or pretend that they do. And you can expect that your kids will get a good education merely because of the selfless good will of teachers. Want a mediocre education for your kids? Then continue to treat the teachers like sh*t. In the end, you get what you pay for.

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plumberscrack 6 years, 9 months ago

perkins says: That early Wednesday dismissal does not help the Lawrence teachers in their plea for more planning time. I believe the teachers need several hours each and every day to plan, collaborate, get a cup of coffee before they pull their hair out or lose their cool with the kids. But the nearly half-day early dismissal on Wednesdays makes me less inclined to call up the superintendent or a board member to advocate for more teacher time away from the students. That Wednesday early dismissal was a blunder, public-relations wise. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

....Probably the smartest comment made right here by perkins! Pick and choose your battles teachers. Wanting more pay for less classroom time is NOT the fight you want from us parents!

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plumberscrack 6 years, 9 months ago

smgkag says: Plumberscrack-your argument about continuing ed would be valid if it took into account the fact that teachers do their continuing ed on their own time and out of their own pocket.

So do the rest of us! I miss out on work ($) to attend continuing education!

sinkorswim says: plumberscrack - By the way, I am one of the "good" teachers you claim to respect. My students and their families have always known they could come to me for anything. I go the extra mile without being asked to make sure my students receive what they need emotionally and physically, in addition to academically. The kids are what keep drawing me back, despite the negative comments and attitudes that seem to come our way. I'm off now to (happily) do more homework!

As for the "good" teachers, their not complaining on public forums crying about less time in the classroom for more pay! To those teachers, my hats off to you for your devotion and time. And (happily) off to do more homework? What a joke!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus says: plumberscrack- I fail to see why a teacher who is committed to their job shouldn't have and express the desire that their salary to be commensurate with the amount and quality of work that is required of them. Why do expect them just to shut up and be happy?

Why? Don't we expect the city employees NOT get a 'cost of living' increase because we don't want to raise taxes to pay them? Why should we be any different in our thinking of teachers, since the biggest part of our tax dollars go to the school district? Again, being a teacher was never intended to be high paying job. The reward for devoting ones self to teaching comes from the feeling from knowing that a teacher helped mold the next president or doctor that saves a life some day!

Wilbur_Nether says: plumberscrack wrote: "GOOD teachers have my up most [sic] respect :." But, apparently, didn't have your attention in school:.

How so Wilbur? Because you say so? LOL Maybe the one NOT paying attention is YOU! Paying more money for less time in the classroom to teachers, does NOT make our kids any smarter and only costs us taxpayers more money, when right now the biggest chunk of my tax dollars go to the school district! You paying attention Wilbur?.....I doubt it.

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manyblessings 6 years, 9 months ago

Government run schools should not be a taxpayer paid babysitting program. I think it would be great if public schools changed their time frame to a half day for students and the few hours after lunch devoted to teacher planning. Just go back to teaching the basics and cut out all social programs and health and P.E. and other things that children should be getting from home. If they want social programs let them go to churches or other non profit organizations. Seriously, when public education started in America it only took a few hours a day and only lasted a couple months out of the year, yet the students were much more literate than the ones today. They didn't waste time and money on all the nonsense we have now. The kids would probably appreciate it more if they didn't have to stay in an institution all day long and maybe we would see a lot less "ADHD". Let them have more time to run and play and get real exercise and have time to daydream and use their minds creatively. Of course parents would have to be willing to shut off their tv's and cut back on video games and maybe even to be around their kids more....

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perkins 6 years, 9 months ago

That early Wednesday dismissal does not help the Lawrence teachers in their plea for more planning time. I believe the teachers need several hours each and every day to plan, collaborate, get a cup of coffee before they pull their hair out or lose their cool with the kids. But the nearly half-day early dismissal on Wednesdays makes me less inclined to call up the superintendent or a board member to advocate for more teacher time away from the students. That Wednesday early dismissal was a blunder, public-relations wise.

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solsken66 6 years, 9 months ago

Thankgoodness for the good teachers. I remember the ones who helped me to achive and took the extra time to help me to better understand. There are a few teachers that I really admire in the Lawrence school district that my children have been fortunate to have been in their classrooms. My children will acknowledge them when we run into each other. May all of us living in Lawrence be able to survive financially in Lawrence on the tight times that seem to be looming not far off. The property taxes keep increasing and fuel cost on the rise that affects the pricing of products bought. A pay increase is important, but many of us are getting pinched by all the price increases. Wonder if Lawrence will realize that taxation on top of taxation does not really make a city thrive?

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solsken66 6 years, 9 months ago

A neighbor, who has a master degree, received a pay increase as a teacher in the Lawrence school district for obtaining a master degree Is the $13.00 per hour net pay or gross pay?

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Wilbur_Nether 6 years, 9 months ago

plumberscrack wrote: "GOOD teachers have my up most [sic] respect ...."

But, apparently, didn't have your attention in school....

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

plumberscrack-- I fail to see why a teacher who is committed to their job shouldn't have and express the desire that their salary to be commensurate with the amount and quality of work that is required of them. Why do expect them just to shut up and be happy?

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happyp 6 years, 9 months ago

We all make choices; some choose to go in the teaching profession, work 9-10 months at school, some choose to go to their classrooms in the summer, some choose to vacation for the months off and some choose to work second jobs. These are all personal choices, just like the rest of us make. We go to our 12 month a year jobs, take our vacation time for a child's track meet, to take parents to the doctor, maybe to do personal business, etc., once again, personal choice. We all like to make the most money possible and receive good benefits. My advice is be thankful if you are healthy enough to work - at any job- but especially one that you enjoy.

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sinkorswim 6 years, 9 months ago

plumberscrack -

The 4-5 hours a day really isn't an exaggeration. You clearly have no idea what is involved in teaching. I can't say it's true of all teachers, but the teachers I know bust their fanny during the summer to prepare for the next year.

As for the continuing education, I wasn't complaining, merely stating a fact. Please don't talk to me about requirements from anyone. I'm very aware of ALL the requirements in the world of education today and fulfill these requirements as expected.

By the way, I am one of the "good" teachers you claim to respect. My students and their families have always known they could come to me for anything. I go the extra mile without being asked to make sure my students receive what they need emotionally and physically, in addition to academically. The kids are what keep drawing me back, despite the negative comments and attitudes that seem to come our way.

Do us all a favor and let the teachers who work your child know that you appreciate the time and effort they dedicate to your child. Everyone reacts positively to gratitude! It might even make you feel good.

I'm off now to (happily) do more homework!

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Kathy Gates 6 years, 9 months ago

Plumberscrack--your argument about continuing ed would be valid if it took into account the fact that teachers do their continuing ed on their own time and out of their own pocket. Then there's the doctors and the lawyers, who do their continuing ed during the work week on the company's time--often at a resort somewhere.

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plumberscrack 6 years, 9 months ago

Bozo- There is no attitude towards teachers and education. The fact remains that there are teachers teaching today who really are caring individuals, who are teaching for the right reasons! There are also teachers who teach for the wrong reasons and should consider another profession. The good teachers who want to spend the time in the classroom teaching kids have my up most respect. Those that want to spend less time and complain about the pay, SHOULD get out!

And to sinkorswim- I highly doubt you spend 4-5 hours every day working, in the summer, on the upcoming school year. Not wanting to call you a liar but I do believe you are over exaggerating the 4-5 hours every day. And as far as your continuing education requirements for teaching certificate? Guess what, in every trade, this is a requirement from the state and city, for us also. Do I complain...no! It's part of being able to do my job and a job I like and prefer to do. If I felt like you do, i'd leave this profession as you should. But fortunately, I don't feel this way and will continue doing my job.

For the record....GOOD teachers have my up most respect and I wish their pay was based on their performance! Unfortunately, the teachers union doesn't allow for this as they do not want to single out ANY (Bad) teachers. This might be one of the reasons parents are responding to the teachers as a whole, instead of just the bad ones?! We need to recruit and retain GOOD teachers and tell the bad ones...Good riddance!

sinkorswim and Bozo- Try to have a quality day!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

plumberscrack-- Your attitude towards teachers and education, if widespread enough, would pretty well insure that only those who really don't give a sh*t would ever become teachers, which is all too prevalent as it is.

BTW, when a teacher takes early retirement, the benefits they recieve will be based on the amount that they have paid into the system. So there is a penalty involved, financially, in terms of retirement benefits. However, if they are still young enough to stay in the workforce, they will likely see a significant boost in their income merely by getting out of education.

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sinkorswim 6 years, 9 months ago

Many of the responses here simply make me sick to my stomach. I am a teacher and have been with the district for more than fifteen years. The tone and attitude of most of the comments here are one of the reasons I'm seriously considering a change in profession. My education and dedication to the profession apparently aren't worthy of respect from some folks of this fine town. My love for teaching and watching children learn and grow just doesn't seem to be enough to make up for the lack of support. I know daycare providers with no college degree who earn more than I do. I'm growing weary of my own family having to sacrifice so I can be a good teacher. Those of you bashing Wednesday afternoon collaboration just don't get it. I welcome you to walk a week in my shoes. In reality, I think you'd run screaming after a couple of hours.

By the way, some seem to think teachers spend the summer laying by the pool or shopping. I 'm hoping for a day to do so! So far, not a day has gone by that I haven't spent at least 4-5 hours working on the upcoming school year. In addition, I'm taking five hours of continuing ed...you know, just for fun! The fact it will keep me certified and allow me to move on the salary schedule are just little perks I'm providing for myself.

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plumberscrack 6 years, 9 months ago

multiagelearner (Anonymous) says:

"The teaching profession was NEVER intended to be a high paying job!" Who do you think is responsible for the lawyers and doctors abilities? It was never intended-it still isn't a high paying job! Follow a good teacher around for week and see the different roles that he/she play in a child's life. Do you sit and worry about your coworkers getting to eat dinner everynight? Sleep in a real bed? Pray they get attention and someone who loves them when they get home? Comfort them when they are scared, fall or are worried? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I didn't want to get into this but multiagelearner response begs for my rebuttal.

"The teaching profession was NEVER intended to be a high paying job! Who do you think is responsible for the lawyers and doctors abilities?".......Now, see here is the problem, NOBODY said that a teacher didn't teach a doctor or lawyer! So your point is??

"Follow a good teacher around for week and see the different roles that he/she play in a child's life. Do you sit and worry about your coworkers getting to eat dinner everynight? Sleep in a real bed? Pray they get attention and someone who loves them when they get home? Comfort them when they are scared, fall or are worried?"......Again, here is a problem. YOU are the TEACHER and the parents are the ones that need to worry about where THEIR kids sleep and whether they pay attention to THEIR kids and show them love, comfort them when they are scared, fall or worried! NOT the teachers role! The TEACHERS role (Job) is to educate the kids and PARENTS job is to raise them and protect and love them! You do your job and we parents will do ours! And by the way, before you scream "Well, we teachers see alot of kids who aren't taken care of by the parents".....one of your jobs is to recognize abuse of a child when they attend school and report it. IF you see or suspect any parent of neglecting a child, report it to the authorities! But your job still remains the same to teach the kids!

Contrary to what some of you teachers think, NOT all us parents neglect our kids or are not an active role in our kids lives. Just like NOT all teachers are bad and lazy and went into teaching because they couldn't get any other job. Some parents don't do a good job of raising their kids and some teachers don't do a good job of teaching kids! Hopefully, the system will weed out both before they ruin a child's life!

Have a quality day!

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storm 6 years, 9 months ago

Interesting article - too much water under the bridge - parents don't care anymore because their students are left alone every Wednesday afternoon. Why? Because every Wednesday, teachers dismiss classes. This is every Wednesday. They say it's for collaboration, whatev, other school districts collaborate once or twice a month. And they do it on a FRIDAY. Get it, a Friday, when working parents maybe take the day off early. No, parents have withdrawn support for teachers because of early dismissal. Try getting childcare in the middle of the week - no child care center operates that way.

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average 6 years, 9 months ago

If teaching paid somewhat better and we made it suck even somewhat less, more people would go into teaching and we could then talk about firing poor teachers.

As it stands now, there is a desperate need. It doesn't matter a whit how good or bad you are... if you are a certified teacher you will get a job and will have to screw up very badly to be fired. That's because teaching today is so awful that there are very few potential teachers to hire as a replacement. Some US districts now have recruiting trips to hire teachers from Russia, Argentina, or the Philippines.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

A German surgeon informed us that doctors,lawyers and teachers are paid the same in Germany. Why? All make a substantial contribution to society.

How many Lawrence citizens with specialized degrees,masters or PHD's would feel rewarded at $13.00 per hour? Get real!

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multiagelearner 6 years, 9 months ago

"The teaching profession was NEVER intended to be a high paying job!" Who do you think is responsible for the lawyers and doctors abilities? It was never intended--it still isn't a high paying job! Follow a good teacher around for week and see the different roles that he/she play in a child's life. Do you sit and worry about your coworkers getting to eat dinner everynight? Sleep in a real bed? Pray they get attention and someone who loves them when they get home? Comfort them when they are scared, fall or are worried?
Teachers choose the profession because they love children, but they must also support families, pay bills, and pay rent or a mortage. If you want to talk overpayed, check out what the "brass" at the district office make. Mr. Weseman is considerably overpaid for never finishing his doctoral program. Do you know how many districts in Kansas are paying 150+ to non-doctoral superintendents? Not many, and NONE are the size of Lawrence.
Oh, and when you are sick, do you spend hours writing plans for your job? NOPE. One of the few professions where is it is easier to go to work sick than stay home.

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plumberscrack 6 years, 9 months ago

The teaching profession was NEVER intended to be a high paying job!

People entered the teaching profession because they loved being around kids and enjoyed seeing the reaction from a child learning to read for the first time. They also enjoyed watching these little people grow up to be someone special...maybe a doctor or president of the USA. These people NEVER complained about being around kids ALL DAY. They NEVER complained about the pay either. I believe that far too many teachers entered into this profession for the wrong reasons. They are several (Good) teachers who know or work with bad teachers. Keep the pay reasonable and not the reason people go to school to be a teacher and we'll weed out the BAD teachers! Keep the good teachers in the classrooms working with the kids, where they belong!

Let's face it, we all have jobs where we have to do some planning at home! Or we might even have to do some work at home. Are we paid for it? You damn right we are....EVERY TIME we cash that check because you are paid to do a job. Don't do the job right or complete and you'll be fired just like the rest of us! Teachers have to get the job done no matter what, just like the rest of us! You do what you have too to provide for your family.

WE NEED MORE QUALITY TEACHERS and raising the pay and lowering the class time with students is NOT the way to get them or keep them. Teachers should be able to pay their bills and live comfortably but not to get rich! Be a doctor or lawyer if you need a job that makes you rich and leave the teaching profession to the quality individuals who love to be with kids and teach! For those of you teachers who DON'T complain about the pay or how much time you are spending in the classroom, YOU have my respect and best wishes! You other teachers complaining need to find other work; that pays you more for less work!

HAVE A QUALITY DAY!

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bhanson 6 years, 9 months ago

Most people have time to prepare at work for presentations among other things that are a part of their job. Teachers do spend a large amount of time planning, grading, and preparing to do their jobs at home. Teachers are paid per day for work and I like most expand this pay over 12 months for budgetng purposes. My wife has tried to convince me to leave the teaching profession for a couple of years because of the lack of pay and last year loosely tracked the hours that I spent at school either preparing to teach, teaching, coaching or doing other school related duties. My hours spread over 12 month equaled roughly a 50 to 55 hour work week. I have a masters degree and make about $13 per hour. For most teachers teaching is a labor of love, but if teachers are not rewarded for their efforts either through pay raises or increased plan time that will enable teachers to spend more time with their families or doing what they enjoy outside of the contract day then then good teachers who care about kids and work their tail ends off will continue to leave the profession. Also Lawrence will continue to lose good teachers to Johnson County Schools until they increase their pay and at least become competitive from a salary standpoint. When I hear what many of you believe teaching is like and what you think of the teaching profession it makes me wonder why I continue to work my tail off for your kids or siblings. I believe that I will enter the "real world" where I can eat lunch when and where I want to, have weekends off, be able to afford to take my families on vacations, and not have people scream at me for a child's educational shortcomings that are more than likely caused by genetics rather than a lack of teaching.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 9 months ago

I support a tax increase for teachers for I believe education is a best bang for a buck investment.

Excellent public education services are good for economic growth which is why the city of Lawrence should consider choosing education as its' primary industry to invest tax dollars and forget about trying to become another shop till you drop town.

Why not build a Vo-Tech Campus and a Community College. KU would likely benefit. Education has been good for Lawrence business. Education provides a substantial payback. Education will always be necessary.

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Michele Trompeter 6 years, 9 months ago

Walk a mile in a teacher's shoes before you comment about teachers working part time for full time pay, having Wednesday's off, whining about working at home, etc. If you haven't been there, and being a student in public schools does not count as being there, then don't make crass comments about teachers. Way to go nell and vegasartie!

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Martin_D_15 6 years, 9 months ago

wah, wah, wah, what a bunch of whiners.

if you can read this, thank a teacher.

if you can read this in English, thank an American Soldier!

Soldiers are the REAL HEROES!!!

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b3 6 years, 9 months ago

Considering most people start working by the time that they are 20 and work to 65, I would say that retiring by the time that you are 55 is very early retirment.

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vegasartie 6 years, 9 months ago

Most of these comments are too transparent to merit comment. But I'm sick of people complaining that teachers work 9 months and get paid for 12. Teachers work under contract and are paid only for work days. Their pay is generally spread over twelve months rather than nine for obvious practical reasons. No teacher is ever paid for any day they do not work. Ever.

As for the idea of getting paid full time for a part time job, that too is a misnomer. Teacher's contracts specify the number of hours per day they earn money. They are only paid for those hours. If a teacher misses hours, the teacher loses money. Work a half day, get paid for half a day.

Most of these posters sound jealous of teachers. What's funny is that their jealousy is based on their own ignorance, and I imagine, greed.

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Steve Jacob 6 years, 9 months ago

"If a teacher's age and years of service add up to at least 85, he or she can get retirement benefits"

Thats early retirement? If you start at say 25, and work 30 years, you deserve to retire if you can.

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nell 6 years, 9 months ago

I really admire people who have the energy to devote all of their attention for hours to a classroom full of K-6 age students, and accommodate students with a variety of special needs such as autism, speech disorders, learning issues, medication schedules, accelerated programs, etc., and be sure to teach to the tests required by NCLB for fear of losing funding (even though students who didn't acheive last year have been pushed up a grade and trail behind), and, on top of that, try motivate students not just to attend to reading/math but to explore the world and learn how to be part of our culture. Personally, I'd run screaming.

Good teachers make a significant impact in their students' lives and they are not particularly well-rewarded financially or, these days, well-respected in the community.

Sure there are teachers operating who shouldn't be - the burned-out, the small-minded, the slackers - but I doubt we'll see a difference until we reform the system to make the work more reasonable and to attract better candidates.

The few hours of planning time mentioned in the article is a bandaid. Early retirement plans should be expendable - seems like this is how the system has rewarded burn-out for years.

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imastinker 6 years, 9 months ago

Bozo -

There are many people out there that do lots of work outside the office. At many offices it's expected that planning and organizing occur outside the regular workday. You come in early or stay late to organize yourself.

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mick 6 years, 9 months ago

They're bad and they're nationwide. They demand full time pay for part time work.

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Martin_D_15 6 years, 9 months ago

what a bunch of WHINERS!!!

work 8 months, get paid for a whole year, wah, wah, wah!!!

then they also get Wednesday afternoons off, plan then!

stupid whiners.

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b3 6 years, 9 months ago

All of the teachers in the past seemed to get by just fine. Back then it was a labor of love now-a-days its just about the money, a vast majority of the current teachers choose their profession because they thought that it would be easy with lots of time off, as is evident from their current level of quality or lack there of.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 9 months ago

How much of your work do you do at home, after an already full workday, b3?

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b3 6 years, 9 months ago

Plan at home, teach at school, talk about lazy. Cry me a river.

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