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Turning back time
Think you know Lawrence like the back of your hand? Test your knowledge with this quiz about the city’s past
December 28, 2007
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Lawrence resident David Klamet recalls that as a youth growing up in rural Leavenworth County, when one went to "town," that town was Lawrence. A graduate of Linwood High School and Kansas University, he's developed a Lawrence trivia quiz as part of a project through the Citizen Journalism Academy, sponsored by The World Company and KU's School of Journalism.
1. Where and what was Griff's?
2. What major retail chain had a store where the Antique Mall is now? (Hint - it has moved again since then.) For extra credit, where did it move to before moving to its present location?
3. Name a store that is now where Woolworth's used to be.
4. Bucky's originally had another name. What was it?
5. Where did George's Hobby House used to be?
6. What was the name of the drive-in theater that was on Sixth Street near where Sonic is now?
7. There was yet another drive-in theater in town. Where was it? For extra credit, what was its name?
8. Where was the Vista drive-in?
9. What is the name of the restaurant that occupied the building where Bambino's is now?
10. Where was the "Campus Hideaway"?
Give yourself extra credit as a bona fide Lawrence "native" if you can claim any of the following:
¢ You went to a movie at either of the drive-in theaters mentioned above.
¢ You actually climbed on the train in the "Train Park" (Watson Park) before the fence was placed around it.
¢ You ever saw Leo Beuerman in his little cart downtown. Triple extra credit if you ever bought a pencil from him.
The Answers
1. Griff's was a burger place on 23rd Street, approximately across from where the Jade Mongolian Barbecue is now. It was in an unusual A-frame building.
2. J.C. Penney. It moved to occupy Montgomery Ward's location near 23rd and Iowa streets before moving to its present location.
3. Kinkos, Saffees, Chipotle.
4. Sandy's. A recent Journal-World article reported that Bucky's had closed.
5. It was at 11th and Massachusetts streets before moving to The Malls, 23rd and Louisiana streets.
It moved to the strip mall containing Paper Warehouse before moving to a building behind.
6. Sunset Drive-in.
7. The Lawrence Drive-in was on 23rd street where Laird-Noller is now.
8. On Sixth street, where Custom Highline is now.
9. Cornucopia.
10. Facing South Park on North Park street.
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28 December 2007
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youngjayhawk (Anonymous) says…
Regarding question #5, George's Hobby Shop, for awhile weren't they located in the strip mall between Hastings and CiCi's Pizza?
Also, my sister fell from the train and broke her collar bone when we were climbing around on it at the Train Park one summer evening when we were kids. I loved pretending to be the engineer … fun memories of a simpler time!
28 December 2007
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cjk1215 (Anonymous) says…
I enjoyed your article on Lawrence history but a couple of your locations are off. Griffs was located more west, near the location which is now between the area of the “former Pizza Hut”, now a vacant building and Dunn's Brothers coffee. The other location problem is with your location of the former JC Penny. The building is still standing and is now Hobby Lobby. At 23rd and Iowa there was a drive in hamburger place called Allen's Drive In.
I've got one for you, name the restraurant on North 2nd which was on the east side of the road near the salvage yard which is still there.
28 December 2007
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wbabbit (Will Babbit) says…
The hobby shop next to Cork & Barrel and Hastings was a different one that I can't remember the name of for the life of me, though I spent waaay too many hours there…oh right, it was Hobbytown, USA.
28 December 2007
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leadstone (Anonymous) says…
Here's one some uf us ol' fogeys might remember- The old Bus Terminal where Liberty Hall stands. Talk about a time-warp.
28 December 2007
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dklamet (Dave Klamet) says…
cjk1215:
Thanks, I couldn't recall the exact location of Griff's, but new it was somewhere in that area.
And, of course, you're right about The Montgomery Ward building, later J.C. Penney's, and now Hobby Lobby.
There are countless things we all remember:
Along with the train, there was the old fire engine in South Park.
I miss Sirloin Stockade on Iowa. I remember all the desserts…cinnamon rolls, brownies, and cookies, on the racks. It always seemed to me to be a place for local farmers and their families to come in to town to eat on Friday and Saturday nights. …reminds me of of the Lawrence I remember from my childhood.
The sale barn out on 11th street. My wife's grandfather use to own it. As a little girl, she used to work for her grandmother in the little diner on the side. I had a hamburger or two there and I wonder if we ever saw each other all those years ago.
Hoch Auditorium. I was moving into Lawrence on the day of the fire and stopped in Eudora when the storm came through. I pulled the pickup truck I was driving under the cover of a bank auto teller lane. When it stopped, I pulled out onto “Old 10” and saw the smoke to the east as I drove into town.
Town Crier. I remember it as “the” bookstore in Lawrence for many years.
The Roosevelt Fountain in South Park near the gazebo. I thought I read that it was originally located at 9th and New Hampshire and was used to water horses?
28 December 2007
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Boston_Charley (Anonymous) says…
cjk1215—you're right about Penney's, but the article is correct too—the Hobby Lobby building was a Montgomery Ward's as of 1975 and I don't know how much longer after that..
And I remember Griff's being real close to the northeast corner of 23rd and Ousdahl—I lived a block or so north of Schwegler School and my friends and I used to go there for the 15-cent cokes. Griff's and the Kwik Shop a little to the west were the first businesses near the school.
28 December 2007
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PattieJ (Pattie Johnston) says…
Dave, This is always fun to talk about with others who remember “old” Lawrence. As a previous person said, Griff's was about where the Dunn Brothers coffee shop is now. The logo was very similar to the original McDonald's guy, too. The Lawrence Drive-In wasn't as far down 23rd Street as Laird Noller; it was closer to the Malls. It was about where McDonald's is now. My mother worked at the Boxer Store (now Westlakes). Sometimes, when we would go with my Daddy to pick her up from work, my brother and I would walk to the fence of the drive-in and watch—couldn't hear— the movie.
The Lawrence Public Library has a collection of city directories that go back to the late 1800's. These show addresses of businesses, people, etc of the town. It's pretty neat to look at them. They're really handy when you can't remember the name of something and it's driving you crazy!
28 December 2007
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SusieCreamcheeze (Anonymous) says…
And the wooden Dino in the park, Rusty's IGA and the night it burned, The Cafe on Mass with booths in the middle, ice cream parlor next to the bus depot, Green Brothers Hardware, When Harvard road was on the city limits. Geeeeeeee how old am I….Hahaha older than Pattie. “Stricks” in North Lawrence AND the ” Red Dog Inn”
28 December 2007
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canyon_wren (Anonymous) says…
Don't forget the Dynamite!
28 December 2007
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canyon_wren (Anonymous) says…
PS. Nice photo!
28 December 2007
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cammieb (Anonymous) says…
Not only did we climb on the train, but we also jumped off the back of the train (not real smart)! Hanging out under the train was a great hide-away. One of my favorite memories is ice skating at the train park. I remember after a big ice storm, sitting on my front porch and putting my skates on, then skating to the park. I also remember my friends and I protesting when they paved Ohio Street. We made signs and walked up and down Ohio Street while they poured the asphalt.
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childof60s (Anonymous) says…
Does anyone remember that Griffs was on Iowa? If you look closely at the used car lot building on the east side of the street next to El Mezcal, you will notice that it still has the A-frame shape. And before Westlakes in the “Malls” was there, it was T G & Y, and Tempo. And next door was the daylight doughnuts. What I miss most is the “fountain” that was in the back of the Raney's store on Massachusetts.
28 December 2007
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childof60s (Anonymous) says…
Also, am I the only one who remembers chocolate covered bananas from the Crossing?
28 December 2007
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Keith (Anonymous) says…
childof60s, are you sure that was a Griffs? I seem to remember it as a Burger Chef. Likewise, are you maybe confusing the Crossing with Squeezers Palace?
28 December 2007
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mrjcg2 (Anonymous) says…
And don't forget the airplane which was available to play on next to the rocket (missle?) which still stands on the west side of centennial park. I remember Duck's (was that really the name?) restaurant on Mass. street. Used to go there with my dad.
28 December 2007
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PattieJ (Pattie Johnston) says…
childof60s, Keith is correct. The A-frame car lot on Iowa was Burger Chef. Before Westlakes was Temp or TG& Y, it was a department store called The Boxer Store. The “fountain” at Raney's on Mass was great. It was the place to stop after school for Central students. There was a very nice older Hispanic lady that worked the counter. She had loads of patience to put-up with us! Also, Allen's Drive-In was near 23rd & Naismith—about where Taco Bell's is now. The place at 23rd and Iowa was the Big Buy.
28 December 2007
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PeteJayhawk (Anonymous) says…
Re: The Red Dog Inn…did you know that Scott Webb's dad was a partner in that?
28 December 2007
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justfornow (Anonymous) says…
leadstone (Anonymous) says:
Here's one some uf us ol' fogeys might remember- The old Bus Terminal where Liberty Hall stands. Talk about a time-warp.
I believe the bus terminal was where free state is now.
28 December 2007
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valdimar332008 (Anonymous) says…
Have heard there was a “camp” for German prisoners of war in our town? And yes, I bought a couple of pencils from Leo. Was in front of what is now Teller's. He would park his tractor on 8th street and set up in front of the bank.
28 December 2007
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GretchenJP (Anonymous) says…
childof60s (Anonymous) says:
“Also, am I the only one who remembers chocolate covered bananas from the Crossing?”
I don't remember that but i want one!!
28 December 2007
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Quint2724 (Anonymous) says…
The evolution of 23rd Street over time could be its own story/quiz. Throw in places like The Stinky Cheese Shop, Green Pepper Pizza (after it moved from 9th Street into the former Shakey's pizza place), The Yamaha dealership and whatever else was just west of Louisiana Street on the north side of 23rd - like THE original Yellow Sub sandwich shop, Mr. Steak, Rax's, Don Chilitos, Taco Tico, Texas Tom's (evolved from a former gas station at NWC of 23rd Ousdahl, Sambo's before it became Shum-bo's err Aurther Porters, on and on.
Come on JW - start an on-going series of: Pick-one commercial-location in town on 23rd Street - or elsewhere in Larryville, and see who can name how many different businesses have been located at that location over time and aksi if anyone has old photos of that location. Pick a new location each week. Sort of a now-then-and-then, then-and-then series…..
28 December 2007
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blindrabbit (Anonymous) says…
The answer to CJK1215 about the restaurant on North 2nd.; it was The Sirloin Inn operated by Ray Barnes! It the Dynamite Inn operated by Roy and Mary Borgen (about 23rd and Louisiana), Stables (West 9th, just South of Florida St intersection), and The Chuck Wagon operated by Dobbins Family East side Iowa St., at about 25th St) were the only real good family style places to eat in the 1950-1960's.
How those Greyhound and Trailways buses turned from the alley North of The Raven into what is now Free State Brewery (then an open barn) always amazed me. They actually scraped the front and back as they made that turn.
Since you mentioned Duck's on Mass., don't forget Ernie's Blue Mill also downtown.
28 December 2007
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justfornow (Anonymous) says…
valdimar332008 (Anonymous) says:
Have heard there was a “camp” for German prisoners of war in our town?
Yes, used to play there as a kid the buildings were full of box springs and stacks of old blue jeans. It was at the north end of Haskell st. where the 90 degree turn is.
28 December 2007
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George_Braziller (Anonymous) says…
Slight correction. The Bus Terminal was where Free State Brewery is today.
leadstone (Anonymous) says:
Here's one some uf us ol' fogeys might remember- The old Bus Terminal where Liberty Hall stands. Talk about a time-warp.
28 December 2007
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
What shop downtown had a big “tinman” in the window?
28 December 2007
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Keith (Anonymous) says…
don't forget Ernie's Blue Mill also downtown.
I have a photo of that place, I believe it was in the spot on Mass where Louise's is now. There are so many calendars in the photo you can tell the exact day it was taken.
28 December 2007
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dklamet (Dave Klamet) says…
Hey! I remember the tin man! I haven't thought about that in years! I can't remember the name of the company, are they still in business?
On the 900 or 1000 block of Mass? On the west side?
28 December 2007
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canyon_wren (Anonymous) says…
blindrabbit, you are remembering—or at least KNOW about—the things that were familiar to me. The Stables was a nice place to go on a date. Remember the dairy that was down in that neck of the woods? I spent some late hours (for an undergraduate with a curfew) down at the Deluxe Cafe on Mass. Street. Most of the places the posters are referring to represent NEW Lawrence, for me! Not nearly as many franchise places when I was in school there. I do remember when Ike's Little Banquet came to town—they had good fried chicken gravy.
28 December 2007
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Solomon (Anonymous) says…
Who remembers where the Pattee theater was?
28 December 2007
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blindrabbit (Anonymous) says…
The tinman was at Hopkins Heating and Air Conditioning about halfway between Urban Outfitters and the old Masonic Building on the West side of Mass., 10 hundred block.
The Pattee theater was really narrow, if I recall correctly it had a aisle on each side, but only about 12 seats wide in a center section only. The Pattee burned in the late 50's I think. The building was never re-built and it now serves as the walk through from Mass. St. to the alley to the East. I just cannot remember if it was the one in the 800 block, just north of the Antique Mall or the one in the 700 block just north of The Signs of Life.
Anyone remember the Blue Hills Drive-In east on Highway 10, South side, just East of Harper. Way out in the country during the 50's.
28 December 2007
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hujiko (Anonymous) says…
Anybody here remember the original fire engine in south park? I'm not too young to forget that one, I'm tired of the “safe” parks, they don't teach children what can hurt them anymore.
28 December 2007
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Godot (Anonymous) says…
It is fun to remember all these businesses that were in Lawrence at one time or another. The other side of the coin is, how many business people tried, but did not survive, in Lawrence, and what are they doing now?
29 December 2007
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Tanetti (Anonymous) says…
I remember a lot of these things, and I'm “only” 33! How about the Ziegfield's (circa 1982-84) or something like that on the southeast corner of 10th and Mass (later was a Taco John's, circa 1987-89)? And I think Fun and Games was in that building (where Kaplan is now) for a while. For the life of me I can't remember where Ben Franklin was located (the store, not the man …). I'm thinking it was near Jenning's Daylight Donuts, near where Francis Sporting Goods is now. And House of Usher (always seemed mysterious to me, though it was a boring old printing shop or similar), Litwin's (after Penney's but before Antique Mall), when Maurice's (my favorite shop for teal and hot pink sweaters while a student at Central in the late 1980s) was where Dusty Bookshelf is now. I also remember going to movies at the Hillcrest Theaters when they had only one or two screens (before they expanded to, gasp, FIVE!!! then a dollar theater, then a gym, then a burned-out shell, then a pile of rubble, etc.). And Fantasyland, site of many a fantastic skating party in elementary school, and movies at the Cinema Twin next door (both where Kohl's et al. are now). And wasn't there a bank where all those chain stores in the 600 block of Mass are now (just south of M&M Office Supply)? I vaguely remember a drive-up area in there, so did they fill that in for American Eagle or whoever was there most recently? (I left Lawrence for a few years after college, during which time that stuff was built.) I do remember the bus terminal in the 600 block of Mass, and wasn't Everything But Ice originally down there too before moving to where the Toy Store is now? Sorry, but I have to mention Wal-Mart and its previous location, where Sears is now (followed by Half-Price Store/Gordman's). Also Ed Marling's where King Buffet is now (before moving to 27th and Iowa, then closing). And last but certainly not least, Putt-Putt at 31st and Iowa, catty-corner from the mighty expanse of Gaslight Village (now decimated to a humble couple of blocks).
Enough of me, then … I'm off to bed! Good times…
29 December 2007
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asphhauler (Anonymous) says…
Griff's was at the intersection of 23rd and Naismith on the North East corner and the place on Iowa where Johnny I's is was Burger Chefs.
29 December 2007
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…
If I could turn back time.
If I could find a way……………
29 December 2007
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mechman (Anonymous) says…
dklamet
do you know where jcpennys was first?
what about earls pizza?or Woods Lumber?
29 December 2007
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mechman (Anonymous) says…
pattyj
SORRY! but the building where Westlakes is now was built for Tempo ( Part of Gambles)..TG&Y was on west side of the malls
29 December 2007
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jazzttt (Anonymous) says…
To previous posters: The Patee theater was located where the walk-thru to NH St next to the Antique Mall now is. Look closely, you can see a few vestiges of the original trim still hanging on the north wall. The Lawrence Drive-In on 23rd was located a bit west of where the current 23rd St entrance to the Malls is. I can remember my parents taking me to the original JC Penney Store on Mass, it's on the west side, a little bit south of 8th St. They had a change system where the clerk put your large bill and ticket in a little change trolley and sent it upstairs so they didn't have to have registers on the main floor. The dark brown brick and white terra cotta trim is still there. The Lawrence National Bank was at the NW corner of 7th and Mass, where Starbuck's now is. The old Union Bus Terminal across the street occupied two spaces, the waiting room and ticket counter was where La Prima Tazza now is [check the tiles in the entry way] and the open area where the busses pulled in is now Free State. The doorway where the passengers went to the busses is behind where LPT now stacks their dirty cups, I think there's a currency display there now. Sorry, the Griff's was on 23rd, but nowhere near Naismith, it was a couple hundred feet east of 23rd and Ousdahl. Will post more later, enjoy this. Ty Travis, Lawrence 1947-69, now in Ark.
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jazzttt (Anonymous) says…
[continued]…The Patee was so narrow, they couldn't show CinemaScope movies, I remember watching “Peter Pan” there as a kid. It would have had to close eventually if it hadn't burned. Lawrence then had three other theaters, the Jayhawker at 7th and Mass, the Granada, and the Varsity. I seem to remember buying model kits at George's, I think it was in the Malls Center. Remember Friend Lumber, NE Corner of 11th and Mass, with the really neat stone house office just south of the Granada, dating from the 1850's, which never should have been torn down? Had some of my first dates and first legal beer in '63 [you could get one at 18 back then] at the Campus Hideaway. Just around the corner on the W side of Mass was Rusty's Superette and Burgert's Shoe Repair, then continuing a bit north, the Mosser-Wolf Camera Shop [with fledgling Centron in the back] and Pat Read's indian curio shop in a tiny alcove to the north. My mom wrote the Leo Beuerman movie for Centron in 1969, I remember him with his cart in two places, he used to park his tractor on 8th near Mass, winch himself and his cart down [using a pulley mechanism my dad helped him build] and set up shop in front of the 1st National [now Teller's], later on he moved across the street and a couple blocks south and sold in front of TG&Y. How about Duckwall's, NW cor 10th and Mass? And Keeler's Bookstore a bit farther north, and Bell Music Co, where they had listening booths where you could play an LP before buying it? To be continued…
29 December 2007
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dklamet (Dave Klamet) says…
mechman,
The earliest location for Penney's that I remember is where the Antique Mall is now… and Earl's pizza is something I don't remember.
When was the last time the Granada or Varsity was used as a theater?
29 December 2007
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Tanetti (Anonymous) says…
The Granada was a movie theater no later than 1993, per the Granada's Web site (click on the History tab): http://www.thegranada.com/index_main.asp
As for the Varsity, an LJW article from April 1999 (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/1999/apr…) mentions a group buying the building in 1998 (and leasing it to Urban Outfitters), and other articles mention that the theater was used as an event space, so I'd say no later than 1998 for movies there.
29 December 2007
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jrlii (Anonymous) says…
Yes, I remember the fire engine in South Park IIRC it was an early (1909? 1919?) American LaFrance ladder truck with solid rubber tires. Way cooler than anything they let kids play on nowadays. For that matter, so was the locomotive in what is now Buford Watson park and the navy jet that used to be in Centennial Park
They promised to restore the locomotive in B.W. Park back to it's original appearance after the asbestos abatement. but they didn't: They just painted the exposed boiler black rather than replacing the shell that went over the asbestos.
Griff's was east of 23rd and Ousdahl. The hamburger stand north of 9th & Iowa was Burger Chef and persisted into the '70s, long after Griff's had closed. IIRC there was a regional, or maybe national office for Griff's south of 23rd & Rockledge which is a doctor's office (Prompt Care?) now. Sandy's was better than either B.C. or Griff's (or the McDonalds of that era, for that matter.)
29 December 2007
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cammieb (Anonymous) says…
Godot, Do you remember Terrill's Department Store? Terrill's was my family's store. My father sold the store about 1972? and it became The Casbah which stayed in business until recently. After Terrill's sold, my parents opened Alice's Closet which sold around 1983 to Clamity Jane's which is still in operation. As children, we practically lived downtown. I remember walking all over downtown. When it was warm, we never wore shoes - even in stores!
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kcwarpony (Anonymous) says…
Do you remember what “Griffy” looked like?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griff…
Just what the heck was it anyway?
What I remember most about Burger Chef was the light fixtures…and the Funburger. Scroll down for pictures…
http://www.freewebs.com/burgerchef/8m…
Under the banner at the top of the page there is “early pictures” you can click on. Interesting website.
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jhawked (Anonymous) says…
What about the Velvet Freeze with the screen door? Shorty's? Edmonds food Locker at 19th and Mass? Riggs Conoco? McCrory Otasco? Blaine and Jessies? The Original Dairy Queen? Duckwalls? John's Novelty? Calhouns? El Navajo Motel? Potter's 66? The comic books at Dillons? Drakes? 9th St Center? The Hole in the Wall? Moore Burger? Henry's? Turners grocery? I could go on and on….
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twosides (Anonymous) says…
TG&Y was not across from tellers. before it was Pier one it was a drug store, either Crown or Katz and that was the second location Leo sold from
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houstonjayhawk (Anonymous) says…
How about Jayhawk plunge/Olympic swim club? How aboutThe old original icehouse? Gobles grocery on 6 and Indiana?A & W root beer on 6th?The Underdog,The Mad Hatter,The Purple Pig,The Wheel, The Beirstubbe? The Golden Cue,The Harbor, A & P grocery store- my father was a butcher there from 1950-1961,Reuter Organ Factory,The Round Corner drugstore,Ben Franklins, Este's photography who took all our senior pics in high
school that would be the one and only LHS circa 1966,and last but not least the chain door/attended elevator at Weavers?????? I grew up in Lawrence born at Lawrence Memorial saw the doctors at The medical arts building and
graduated from Pinckney, West junior high first graduating
class '62 and LHS 1966. Oh yes best stumper of all the
WREN building with 2 stone wren birds in front…. Left Lawrence in 1971 get home for every LHS reunion and
never regret and am proud to be a LHS Lion and KU Jayhawk. You can take the girl out of Kansas but you can't take Kansas out of the girl
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jazzttt (Anonymous) says…
Had some nice comments about W.R.E.N., Jenny Wren flour, the A & W, and the converted church behind CJHS which was used as a study hall, but my e-mail server decided to eat them. cjhs '60, lhs '63, ku '67, left in '69 for the USAF, now live in Ark, but I also return for all the reunions. ttt, Pine Bluff, AR
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jazzttt (Anonymous) says…
W.R.E.N. bldg. was on the NE cor, 8th and VT, former home of the radio station which moved to Topeka. I think it burned in a big fire in the late '70s which also took out the historic 3-story bldg at 8th and Mass. While we're on wrens, how about the big Jenny Wren flour sign which used to be on the elevators which were at 6th and Mass. where City Hall now is. How about the old wood church with tower, about 14th and NH, where CJHS had their study halls? I remember A & W well, it was always a big family outing, my brothers would get 5cts. “baby beers” and then we would take home a gallon for 65cts. The Jawhawk Plunge was just south of it.