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Drawing on God

Mothers gather to pray for children in area schools

A group of mothers called "Moms in Touch International" meet Tuesday, Dec. 5, 2007, for some Bible scripture reading and to pray for children and schools.

A group of mothers called "Moms in Touch International" meet Tuesday, Dec. 5, 2007, for some Bible scripture reading and to pray for children and schools.

December 8, 2007

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A Lawrence chapter of Moms in Touch International meets to pray for children and schools. Clockwise from left are Janet Yoe, Angela Loch, Barbara Stephens, Lori Lange, Linda Pollock and Susan Bauer.

A Lawrence chapter of Moms in Touch International meets to pray for children and schools. Clockwise from left are Janet Yoe, Angela Loch, Barbara Stephens, Lori Lange, Linda Pollock and Susan Bauer.

Moms in Touch International

Lori Lange believes there are countless reasons to pray for children. "They have their whole lives ahead of them," Lange says. "There are lots of things that will happen, lots of decisions they'll make. We pray that God will be with them and that our children will be believers."

Lange is involved with Moms in Touch International, a global, small-group ministry that prays for specific children attending specific schools.

According to the organization's Web site, there are 11 small groups praying for children in 11 Lawrence schools. But Bev Romans, the group's state coordinator, says the ultimate goal is to expand.

"We like to have a group for every school - that's our vision, to have a Moms in Touch group praying for every school in the world," says Romans, who lives in Salina.

Prayer meeting

Here's how the process works.

A woman with a child in a particular school establishes a Moms in Touch group for that school.

Then, once a week, mothers get together at a house or other location for a solid hour of prayer.

The prayer meetings involve four portions:

¢ Praise, when members focus on a particular character of God, such as his love or steadfastness.

¢ Confession, a silent prayer time when members ask for repentance.

¢ Thanksgiving, when members talk about specific things God has done in the lives of their children, or at school.

¢ Intercession, when members ask for help for their children, teachers, administrators and other students.

Prayer topics

"We really think God answers specific prayers specifically," Lange says.

When a child reaches junior high or high school, she says, the prayers are different from the younger grades.

Prayers might be for a particular test, a school situation or for any potential drug deals to be stopped near the school.

"It's to stay on the right path, and not to yield to temptation," she says. "And with the specific situations we know about, like school shootings, we often pray for protection, and that if someone is talking about suicidal thoughts, that ears will be opened to that."

Sometimes, Moms in Touch groups simply go through a school's yearbook, praying for each child by name.

"That might be the only time these kids are prayed for," Lange says.

For Lange, the group offers assurance that she'll spend the time praying for schools. She's been involved since 1990, when her children were in elementary school. Now, she leads a group for mothers whose children are in college or in the work force.

"I think for myself it's accountability - actually spending an hour praying is hard to do," she says. "And the exponentiality of it - combining prayers with others increases the power of it."

'Best gift'

Barbara Stephens, who has been in Lange's Moms in Touch group for more than a decade, says she likes knowing mothers around the world are praying at the same time she is.

"We end up praying for the teachers, and for the safety and protection of the students," Stephens says. "Especially in this day and age, that seems even more important."

Because the prayers are so specific, everything said in the groups is confidential.

"Everything we pray is kept within the group," Stephens says. "We never talk about it outside the group or with anybody else."

Stephens, whose youngest child is preparing to graduate from Kansas University, says she always comes out of the prayer hour refreshed.

But, she says, it's not about her.

"It's the best gift I can give my kids," she says.

Comments

Sharon Roullins 7 years, 7 months ago

Ouch! The comment that someone made that God helps those who help themselves has been misquoted over and over. If you really want to make a comment, at least be accurate in doing so. And from some of the comments made, I am so glad that you will not have the final say so.

marcdeveraux 7 years, 7 months ago

sounds like these females have too much time on their hands, research show prayer does nothing . no proof of god doing anything, here we have scared humans refusing to accept that life is what it is. religion is the problem in many countries around the world not the cure,look at pres bush's use of prayer, did he get what he wants? maybe. And to think you could ask some being floating in space to grant a special wish, like pass a test. grow up.

chungasrevenge 7 years, 7 months ago

The latest study on intercessory prayer found that it had no significant effect on reducing complications, but those that knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications.

These ladies may be in touch with something but it surely is not reality.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years, 7 months ago

Too bad they don't spend that time going to the schools and helping out. Maybe tutoring children after school and acting as a role model. I guess their intentions are good, but actions speak louder than words.

prettysharp 7 years, 7 months ago

quite the opposite, these are women who are very busy, and choose to do the very best for their children. I was in a group like this for years, and nothing else compares to praying to God for your children. As far as being scared, nothing could be further from the truth. How can one be scared when our Sovereign God is in charge?

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 7 months ago

God help those who help themselves. If God give you a brain, USE IT! Damn!

laughingatallofu 7 years, 7 months ago

marcdeveraux and chungasrevenge,

Do you think that a supreme being is going to be dumb/naive enough to model His intentions based on what "research" (by HUMANS, no less) is going to find? You are living in a very superficial world.

laughingatallofu 7 years, 7 months ago

<<< marcdeveraux (Anonymous) says:

And to think you could ask some being floating in space to grant a special wish, like pass a test. grow up.

Yep. Been there, done that. Know what? It works if you allow it. Try it it with an open mind. You might be surprised how your pathetic life may be enhanced. I grew up. Now it's your turn.

gyroduck 7 years, 7 months ago

Scientific evidence that supports the notion that prayer/consciousness effects so called "reality": http://youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc&feature=related

Paul Decelles 7 years, 7 months ago

Gyroduck,

Thanks for posting the link. It is wonderful. However, prayer is not the same thing as observation, nor is consciousness the same thing as prayer. In fact since the measuring device is presumably not conscious in the way that we are, a conscious observer is not even required for this quantum effect to work unless you take the somewhat nebulous position that the whole universe is conscious. After all is a measuring device conscious?

jonas 7 years, 7 months ago

Man, some touchy anti-religious folks around today. Let it go, it doesn't harm or effect you in the slightest, and yelling about people being idiots for doing something that you think has no merit makes you seem peevish. If it gives them comfort, then let them pray.

average 7 years, 7 months ago

Look, for someone who believes in the effect of prayer (which I certainly don't... so go right ahead and pray for me), would they want someone praying to the "wrong" god? Would they be upset if the Yazidis were going through the yearbook and praying to Melek Taus the Peacock Angel for the help of the non-Yazidi children?

inatux 7 years, 7 months ago

Don't you just love this "tolerant" society of ours?

beatrice 7 years, 7 months ago

From the story: "Stephens says. 'We never talk about it outside the group or with anybody else.'"

The first rule of fight club is, you don't talk about fight club.

Seriously, even if the prayers themselves will have no actual effect, at least the parents are thinking positive things about their children. Hopefully those positive and protective feelings and thoughts bleed into other areas of the parent/child interactions, and that is probably a good thing. I say, if it makes them happy and it doesn't infringe on those who do not believe, then go for it.

gyroduck 7 years, 7 months ago

"prayer is not the same thing as observation, nor is consciousness the same thing as prayer." Why not? What is prayer then? What is consciousness then? What exactly does it mean to observe?

" In fact since the measuring device is presumably not conscious" No it is conscious, that is the whole deliema: "Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are part of the mystery that we are trying to solve." Max Planck

"in the way that we are, a conscious observer is not even required for this quantum effect to work unless you take the somewhat nebulous position that the whole universe is conscious."

Consciousness by nature is omni-present, unlimited and yes this notion without question changes the basic paradigm of thought humans have been operating on for centuries.

" After all is a measuring device conscious?"

No but the one who looks at the results is. The measuring device can't be seperated from the person who is doing the measuring or at least we haven't figured it out yet.

Hmmm... thats interesting

So then how does matter go from wave function to come into what we call reality? As far as I can tell by conscious intent which really could be called prayer or observation because its the same thing.

I know that focused intent gets results. I would say another word for that is prayer. I know most religious people disagree with me. I am without question not a religious person and according to most religous people going strait to hell when I die. I say that is their business and ask them why are they so unhappy, sick and poor? Is that what they are praying for on a continous basis? Because every prayer is answered everytime!

Thank you for your comments, I'm not trying to prove you wrong I'm just interested in this.

jumpin_catfish 7 years, 7 months ago

I like your words whatmakesyouright. Take a breath you God-haters and live and let live. I don't want anyone telling what to believe or what not to believe. These ladies want to pray for their children, so how's that a bad thing.

Paul Decelles 7 years, 7 months ago

Now, prayer, I believe, requires are certain type of consciousness but consciousness is not the same thing as prayer. As for science not being able to solve the ultimate mystery of nature and perhaps for the reason Planck cites, but again there is not a clear connection between that and prayer.

As for the omni-presence of consciousness...I am not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that consciousness is not localized to one spot and time? If so that is quite ad variance with my day to day experience of consciousness, by which I mean a sense of self as an observer of myself...mmmmm but I guess that sounds pretty vague as well. LOL.

My point about the measuring device is that the observer need not be human or even alive. Question, do you think that the rules of quantum mechanics did not work when there were no conscious observers around?

pomegranate 7 years, 7 months ago

You know, prayer is not like writing a list of wishes to Santa Clause.
It is having a conversation with our Supreme Being, whom WE know listens, and answers our prayers. We do not always have the outcome which we want. The whole thing is, itis what God wants. I will pray for you non-believers, that you may become believers. And just maybe the answer will be that YOU actually caused someone to be a believer in Christ.

pomegranate 7 years, 7 months ago

Make that Santa Claus--Not Clause. I had a momentary lapse of spelling memory!

pomegranate 7 years, 7 months ago

Marion that was a stupid, inane thing to say. Now just listen, dear. They do not actually draw on God, they pray to God. That is probably too advanced a concept for someone like you.

janeyb 7 years, 7 months ago

At first I thought God would be happier if these women used their time volunteering at their children's schools. Then I read the going through the yearbook praying for each child part, and decided the schools are probably better off with them sitting around someone's dining room table.
Not in the article but my favorite saying is "God listens to all our prayers. Sometimes he just says no."

jonas 7 years, 7 months ago

You are rather anxious in your atheism, aren't you? You should be more confident in in.

Ceallach 7 years, 7 months ago

It is unbelievable that so many people have serious issues with a group of mothers praying for their children. What's wrong with YDP? How can you feel so threatened by them praying for their children's school, students ,staff, etc.?

Anxiousathiest, you are excused, I do understand why it would make you anxious. However, many posters are just venting their usual angst and aiming it at targets that are least likely to fire back. Shame on you!

Ronda Miller 7 years, 7 months ago

The power of where we choose to direct our thoughts is limitless. This has been shown with studies of plants, the most microscopic we can imagine - and scientific study proves that this power changes these organisms. Believe people, believe. For some, it is all that is left. And live and leave well enough alone.

average 7 years, 7 months ago

Ceallach -

It's not just for their children. If that were the case, it wouldn't be so odd. It's for each of the children. From the article: "go through a school's yearbook, praying for each child by name". Are you okay with the Mormons doing that for your child? The Hindus? Are you okay with the Scientologists swinging a few e-meters around while we're at it?

If you believe in magic spells, why don't you believe that others could do the wrong magic? Oh, yeah, your God's real and theirs couldn't possibly be.

Ceallach 7 years, 7 months ago

You are referring to prayer as magic spells? That seems quite a stretch to me, however, you are entitled to your opinion.

"go through a school's yearbook, praying for each child by name" --- it's not like they are stalking the children and laying their hands on them as they pray --- that I would not like anyone doing, other than with my permission.

As far as would I be okay with people of other religions mentioning my child's name . . . I don't believe Mormons, Hindus, (I'm not informed on the e-meters you mention regarding Scientologists), but I don't think those people are evil. Furthermore, is someone evil is mentioning my child's name, I continue to have faith that God will deliver them from evil. And if someone truly does not believe in God they should easily be able to ignore it.

I do plead guilty to believing there is only one God, the creator of heaven and earth and all things visible and invisible. The giver of love and second chances.

I do however tire of people asking if there is a God why does he allow this, that and this and that. They ask this as they sit in their warm houses, usually eating more food than they need and using more of the world's resources that one human being can justify needing and do nothing to ease the suffering of the world. There is more than enough food, water, and resources on this beautiful planet to provide for everyone here. The problem isn't God, the problem is humankind, caught up in its own specialness. WE do not feed the hungry, WE do not demand justice for victims, not do WE demand freedom for those living in slavery throughout the world. Instead, WE post trite little complaints against the God of the universe for not doing what He has supplied the resources for US to share with one another.

ilikestuff 7 years, 7 months ago

When the Christian prays for others he/she is revealing at least two indications of themselves: 1. They trust in more than themselves, and 2. they are concerned for the welfare of others as much as, or more than, for themselves.

If the comments of most on this thread are any indication of the fundamental atheist, it would appear, he/she is merely a narcissistic, dogmatic, ignoramus. Especially when pertaining to things besides themselves.

Oracle_of_Rhode 7 years, 7 months ago

In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus instructs Christians how to pray. Nowhere does he mention including a laundry list of desires concerning "a particular test, a school situation or for any potential drug deals to be stopped near the school."

Rather, we are to pray that God's will be done.

Jesus also tells his followers to pray in closets: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men ... But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou has shut thy door, pray to they Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

That these women are praying in the pages of their local newspaper for outcomes on tests, rather than in closets for God's will to be done, indicates that they are not following the explicit instructions of Christ.

Are they Christians? If they call themselves Christian, so be it -- it must be God's will.

Tom McCune 7 years, 7 months ago

Oracle:

What is the point of praying to God that God's will be done? If God is omnipotent, the prayer is irrelevant, and he will execute his will regardless of any prayer.

Oracle_of_Rhode 7 years, 7 months ago

Newell:

De we turn the other cheek, obey the ten commandments, do unto others, resist not evil, or "judge not, lest ye be judged."? These represent some of God's explicit instructions to us.

Clearly, man has free will -- God doesn't control man. Praying that God's will be done, to me, is a prayer that human beings act in accordance with these instructions and more. When I pray, it is that I remain mindful of God's will for me, and that others do the same.

Never would I pray for the outcome of a sporting event or a test or the lottery. That is a foolish misunderstanding of the nature of prayer and spirituality.

I hope that helps to clarify.

Wilbur_Nether 7 years, 7 months ago

This story describes a family truly living their Christian principles of love and forgiveness: http://cjonline.com/stories/122707/kan_229342235.shtml

How much better off would the world be if we would all behave so?

Roadkill_Rob 7 years, 7 months ago

God I love the Bible Belt. It makes me want to go to church and drink the blood of Jesus. Then, I want to wear a cross that represents medieval torture.

Man, there's nothing like following a book that's a translation of a translation of a translation that has no relevance to today's world and was written by a bunch of dudes who believed the world was flat.

How come the bible fails to mention dinosaurs or the ever-expanding universe? Oh well, I prefer blind faith anyway. Yep, I sure do love the Bible Belt.

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