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Landlord-tenant mediator again accused of violating housing code

Neighbors say properties attract criminal activity

August 30, 2007

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A home at 1200 N.Y., pictured in background, has been pinpointed by the East Lawrence Neighborhood Association as attracting criminal activity.

A home at 1200 N.Y., pictured in background, has been pinpointed by the East Lawrence Neighborhood Association as attracting criminal activity.

This home at 1200 New York has been by pinpointed by the East Lawrence Neighborhood Association as attracting criminal activity and known criminals.  The property owner, Paul Winn, a specialist in the city's Human Relations Department, has been cited for housing code violations.

This home at 1200 New York has been by pinpointed by the East Lawrence Neighborhood Association as attracting criminal activity and known criminals. The property owner, Paul Winn, a specialist in the city's Human Relations Department, has been cited for housing code violations.

For the second time in a year, the city employee responsible for mediating landlord-tenant disputes is being prosecuted in Municipal Court for owning slumlord-quality rental properties.

City inspectors confirmed that they have turned over to Municipal Court a housing code violation case against Paul Winn, a specialist in the city's Human Relations Department. The case alleges that Winn allowed a rental unit he owns at 1200 N.Y. to fall into such disrepair that it no longer meets the city's minimum housing codes.

But now neighbors of the area are telling city leaders that the problems go far beyond the physical condition of the property. K.T. Walsh, a member of the East Lawrence Neighborhood Association, said that the property seems to be attracting criminal activity and known criminals.

"The neighbors in this area do not feel safe," Walsh said.

The property is known to have been the address for Louis G. Galloway, a Lawrence man who earlier this year was convicted of breaking into another apartment at 1200 N.Y. and beating the resident. It also was the residence of Michael Parker, a Lawrence man who was arrested in April on suspicion of making bomb threats against local schools.

Other neighbors, who asked not to be identified, said there has been a steady stream of cars and visitors to the house, and that the front yard is often full of intimidating people.

A spokesman with the Lawrence Police Department confirmed that between Jan. 1, 2006, and late August, the department has responded to calls for service at the location 36 times. That doesn't include the number of times that police officers go to the residence to follow up on previous calls or to respond to medical emergencies.

In addition to his city job, Winn also serves as a pastor for Lawrence's Praise Temple Church of God in Christ. Walsh said she was under the impression that Winn was trying to provide housing to people who needed a second chance, but she said its seems to have evolved into an "unsupervised attempt that has gone wrong."

"Neighbors have repeatedly called Rev. Winn to complain, and he no longer returns calls," Walsh said.

When reached by the Journal-World, Winn declined to comment on any of the allegations against him.

Other allegations

The allegations are not new. Winn last year was fined $600 by Municipal Court Judge Randy McGrath for similar violations at 1200 N.Y. and 1202 N.Y., which are in the same house.

"We have had cases on every unit in that house at some point," Brian Jimenez, the city's code enforcement manager, said of the four units that are at the two addresses.

The most recent alleged violations include water leaking through the ceilings of the apartment, no gas service at the apartment and "general dilapidation." The conditions are in violation of the city's housing code, but do not require the eviction of tenants because the violations do not create an immediate safety threat, Jimenez said.

Winn's rental issues extend beyond the 1200 and 1202 N.Y. properties. City prosecutors already have filed charges against Winn for a property he owns at 1300 N.Y. The charges are similar to those at 1200 N.Y., including rotted doors and windows and dilapidated flooring. Winn has pleaded not guilty, and the case is scheduled to go to trial in December.

Jimenez said some repair work had begun at 1300 N.Y., but the city planned to continue with the case because Winn was largely unresponsive to the city inspectors until a court date was set.

"He has not responded in a timely manner," Jimenez said. "He has not responded in a way viewed by staff as taking responsibility for these violations."

City's stance

Winn has been a city employee for 28 years and earns a salary of $56,058. In his position as a specialist for the Human Relations Department, he investigates complaints that people have been discriminated against. That includes complaints related to discrimination by landlords against tenants.

City Manager David Corliss said he was barred from publicly discussing personnel matters. But Corliss did make several statements indicating he was troubled by the latest allegations.

"I will say that I have an expectation, and I believe the city commissioners and the public have an expectation, that everyone who has a city position be above reproach and have the highest levels of ethics in their work," Corliss said.

Corliss declined to comment on whether Winn would be disciplined if found to be in violation of the city's housing codes, but he said prosecution of Winn would be handled "absolutely" like any other case. He also said the city is investigating whether Winn's properties qualify for prosecution under the city's disorderly house ordinance.

Corliss also said he was aware that the allegations against Winn could cause some residents to lose confidence in the integrity of the city's Human Relations Department. He said he would guard against that.

"It is very important that we educate the public about civil rights and enforce our ordinance," Corliss said. "It is important that mission not fail for ethical reasons."

The Human Relations Department already is in a time of transition. Longtime Director Rehelio Samuel retired in February and has not been replaced. Toni Wheeler, the city's director of legal services, has been serving as interim director of the department.

Corliss is conducting a review of the department's operations and is considering making it a division of the Legal Services Department rather than allowing it to be its own department.

Corliss said the review has determined that the department could benefit from additional supervision.

Comments

nell 7 years, 4 months ago

Misplaced kindheartedness aside, I don't understand why we have a landlord, much less a neglectful landlord, in charge of investigating landlord-tenant disputes. It makes Corliss' comments about confidence, integrity and ethics rather laughable.

monkeyhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

He should have been relieved of his city position after the first violation. He should now at least be suspended without pay and forced to live in that property while he is "fixing" it. Does this house fall into the category of residences that require city inspection?

It is outrageous that single family zoned landlords must submit to the city intrusion while a city employee continues to operate a suspected drug house and is housing convicted criminals.

cowboy 7 years, 4 months ago

Every commercial business in town has to have a fire dept inspection and or a cert of occupancy from the city. Rental properties ARE commercial enterprises and should have to meet minimum safety and code requirements. The city should get off it's butt and get an inspection ordinance enacted. An inspection every 3 years would be adequate and a reasonable period of time to repair and or renovate would be fair unless the violations are immediate safety risks.

The other thing is that the inspectors need to start shutting down these properties , they have no problem shutting down construction sites and they need to do the same on these slum properties.

Kat Christian 7 years, 4 months ago

This isn't the only disgracefully run down property in East Lawrence. I see so many houses that I wouldn't let my dog live in much less a human being. What's wrong with people anyway? Even if you are renting your home don't you have any pride in yourself as to where you live? Cut your lawns, seed it if need be, water the dang thing and plant some flowers, bushes or border plants. When something goes wrong and you can't afford to fix it or know how to, let the landlord know IN WRITING and give them a certain amount of time to repair the item if they don't report that ASAP. If enough people do this perhaps we can clean up the slumlord base and oust them out or make them follow the rules.

simplyamazed 7 years, 4 months ago

I know Rev. Paul personally also and I feel confident that he does not do these things maliciously. He doesn't have an unkind word about anyone. Let's consider the situation here: He indeed owns rental homes and is a landlord, he works in an area that handles landlord tenant issues(this is only a small portion of his job), he cannot turn someone down when it comes to renting due to the discrimination laws in landlord tenant rules(which he knows extensively), he rents out the units hoping to help people out whether they pay or not. Now, do you think a criminal or a druggie is going to truely complain about the shape the rental unit is in? No, they do not want anyone around so they can continue their criminal activities. Consider that he may not have known they were in this shape because he may be a little apprehensive to go there on a regular basis. I would not probably spend time there if I owned them myself! Do you really think these type tenants are going to take care of property that is not thiers? Yeah right. More than likely someone who was there investigating the crimes noticed the problems and reported them. They would have several reasons for reporting this to inspections department, 1) To close down the complex to get rid of the criminals who live there and 2) Try to get back at Rev. Paul because at some point in time he has probably investigated an allegation of discrimination against our finest in blue and they did not like the outcome. Wow, this sure gives a different light on the subject now doesn't it!! Rev. Paul is a fine person with a good heart and would never intentionally want to harm anyone. He is just trying to do what everyone else does and that is to make a living. Corliss is talking thru his teeth when he says he expects city employees to be above reproach and have highest levels of ethics. I have been a person suffered by his ethics and several high officials ethics and they did not get into trouble but I lost my job of over 12 years because they would not admit what they did was wrong! They are all unethical in some way but like to think they are not. They will all face the ultimate judge some day and I will be there to watch.

herman 7 years, 4 months ago

"A spokesman with the Lawrence Police Department confirmed that between Jan. 1, 2006, and late August, the department has responded to calls for service at the location 36 times."

Wow, that's quite a number of times. The LCS still beats him though by at least 500 calls.

herman 7 years, 4 months ago

"Walsh said she was under the impression that Winn was trying to provide housing to people who needed a second chance, but she said its seems to have evolved into an unsupervised attempt that has gone wrong."

Just like another place downtown.

simplyamazed 7 years, 4 months ago

I must say that at looking at the pictures of the house furnished by ljw it does not look like the house is in such disrepair. Like I said earlier, maybe Rev. Paul did not go inside because of the nature of the tenants history (or scared) and could only judge by what it looks like outside.

Bud Stagg 7 years, 4 months ago

kind hearted or not, it's a clear conflict of interest. He either needs to change jobs or sell his rental property.

cowboy 7 years, 4 months ago

The current , call for an inspection process , does not work. Depending who owns it dictates how the inspection is executed. My kids rented the old house on Rockledge from Compton's company years ago ,. It was a frigging firetrap , bare electrical , no fire egress , gas leak , high CO from the furnace , doors falling off , etc , etc , etc , the city gave them a complete pass after their feeble attempts to correct the problems , it was pretty pathetic . We need an ordinance , many of these landlords are connected folks in town and they squeal every time inspections are brought up , a good landlord would have nothing to fear , only the scumlords !

This guy has made his own bed , he should either divest all these properties or resign from the city or both !

OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 4 months ago

"A lot of the time, they don't pay their rent and he still let's them live there. He's just got a kind heart for heartless people!"

NO, he lacks boundaries, as most ministers do. "Love" doesn't mean "never say no". If he wants to give people a second chance, he's putting himself into the position of a social worker. And that's OK, but if you are going to rent to people with checkered pasts in an effort to "help" them, you need to be prepared to do some major baby-sitting. Between his city job, his pastoring and the other things of life (being a parent, husband, etc.) he may not have the energy to do so much. He needs to consider how important it is for him to protect his reputation as a city worker and a minister. He's in over his head. Those who are close to him need to help him see that.

Joe Hyde 7 years, 4 months ago

I agree with simplyamazed: from the photo, this house -- the structure itself -- actually looks very nice.

Of course, it won't look this nice for long if heavy traffic drug-selling/using is happening there on a daily basis, as is strongly suspected by surrounding neighbors. Lawrence PD, the KBI and DEA all have sly tricks they can apply to such a problem, so it's good that this "visitor traffic" has been brought to their attention by this story.

bangaranggerg 7 years, 4 months ago

This is a really interesting journalistic piece. They found a way to bring attention to what some posters have stated they know to be a crack house. It actually seems like a great way to help the problem by putting a spotlight on the home for the entire community to see. Basically by posting big pictures of this house and a writing a story hinting at it's ill repuit while discussing something else it will hopefully be harder for the tenant to continue any illicit trade.

bunnyhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

So why doesn't the JW publish this guy's picture so we all know what he looks like???????? After all, we pay his salary!!!

ctrmhero 7 years, 4 months ago

I think people are failing to read what his job actually is. He investigates complaints of discrimination, not violations of city codes dealing with housing standards. If he had complaints of discrimination it would be different. The problems with his rentals is in no way related to his job. If he was part of the city street department would there be this amount of outrage. I think not. The JW has tarnished this very kind man by mentioning he has a remote tie to the housing in lawrence. His job is to mediate, which means help without, the parties reach agreements. There are not any complaints about how he does that or I'm sure we would have read about it.

unite2revolt 7 years, 4 months ago

Yeah I say hold the guy to the same standards as everyone else. Let him keep his job with the city, but shut down his properties if he can't get them under control.

Haiku_Cuckoo 7 years, 4 months ago

I think "Reverend" Paul needs to read the account of how Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple. Follow Jesus's example and throw the crackheads out into the street.

Get thy crack house in order.

Confrontation 7 years, 4 months ago

It doesn't surprise me that this man is a pastor. I think I'd be more surprised if he wasn't tied to some religious institution in town. That's usually how they get away with this stuff for so long.

gaiapapaya 7 years, 4 months ago

re:simplyamazed- People who live near this house have contacted Paul Winn directly to address these issues. He knows what is going on there. Cars pull up, tenants come out, lean in the window for less than a minute, cars drive off. The building has drug dealers living there. He knows this and does nothing about it. City staff should be held to a higher standard. Just because he slapped some paint up on the exterior does not mean the interior meets code.

justsomewench 7 years, 4 months ago

This is my favorite Paul Winn story: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/apr...

But the hits just keep on comin'...

naturalist 7 years, 4 months ago

It's a crackhouse, the whole neighborhood knows it. So why doesn't the LPD bust them? That's what I want to know. East Lawrence has wonderful neighborhoods with respectable families and people who do not want to live by drug dealers. Mr. Winn sounds like a nice man, although he may have a conflict of interest between having his job and being a landlord.

justthefacts 7 years, 4 months ago

$56,000+ for his city job is more then MANY lawyers working for the state make in a year. That's a great salary, for anyone. Why does he need/want a 2nd income? So if this man (kind hearted or not) wants to be a landlord, he should give up his city job (there are probably a lot of Lawrence lawyers commuting to Topeka who'd jump at the chance to do it). If he wants to keep his city job, he needs to sell these properties (or run them like others are required to keep up their property). Double standards abound. Doesn't make them right!

mick 7 years, 4 months ago

Wonder why your city taxes are so high? Why does a job like his pay $56K per year?

Bud Stagg 7 years, 4 months ago

Very interesting Mick.

He get's $56k and probably health and retirement. Damn our city pays well.

He mediates landlord - tennant disputes, why is the city responsible for that? that sounds like a court item that should be paid for with court costs. I hope we charge tennants and landlords for this service. I bet we don't charge $56k a year for that service. Another great T-like service that does not pay for itself.

mick 7 years, 4 months ago

I think a reevaluation of all city employee salaries is in order.

black_butterfly 7 years, 4 months ago

I know Paul Winn also and he is a good man. He just needs to draw the line when it comes to giving people "second chances". I think being a minister and a landlord is a conflict of interest. He should probably give up being a landlord. He is too kind for that. However there is nothing wrong with him wanting to increase his income. Someone said, why does he need a second income? How presumptous of you to think he does not need more money. Do you know his financial situation? He is an educated man with college degrees. Go to college and you too can have that type of income. As far as his job goes, he deserves that salary. He has worked for this city for 28 years! Compare his salary to the rest of the city employees who have been with the city for 28 years, or less and I am sure they will be making more. He is not a sanatation worker or administrative assistant! He has an important job.

He needs to fix all violations immediately and seriously and think about giving up being a landlord. He is not mean natured enough to be a landlord. Especially in Lawrence! If the LJW is going to keep calling Paul Winn a slum lord, they need to talk about all of the "OTHER" slum lords in Lawrence, but of course that would take up too much space in the paper.

The police need to take more responsibility and bust the drug dealers. They need to spend more time on drug task forces and stop harrassing hard working citizens trying to get to work on time. LOL.

Paul Winn is a good man who would never intentionally hurt anyone, but he has responsibilities and needs to tend to them. He is just trying to help disenfranchised and distraught people when no one else will, but some of them are just taking advantage of him, (not paying rent, selling drugs, doing drugs). He needs to take care of himself and his reputation. EVICT the trouble makers and fix the houses up to sell! That's my advice and my opinion!

black_butterfly 7 years, 4 months ago

Smitty,

It sounds like you have an inside trac on what is really going on, but trust me, if the city had grounds to fire him, believe me they WOULD. They barely want to hire minorities as it is. If they could get rid of him they would, so in the midst of all that he is doing wrong, he must be doing something right. The fire under his butt is getting hotter, though. I am sure they are going through things with a fine toothed comb to figure out a way to get rid of him. He is a very smart man and they know it, so they are going to make SURE he can't sue before they give him his walking papers. Trust and believe.

I Think he should give up his rental properties and just focus on his job and his church.

Confrontation 7 years, 4 months ago

"He is not a sanatation worker or administrative assistant! He has an important job."

I'm not sure about "sanatation" workers, but I know that sanitation workers have very important jobs. They pick up your garbage and help keep this city clean. Could you imagine what this town would smell like without their help? There's plenty of other garbage (Winn) smelling up this town. Don't assume that he's worth what he's paid or that he's any better than those who get paid far less.

Confrontation 7 years, 4 months ago

It was only a matter of time before someone would try to use the race card.

black_butterfly 7 years, 4 months ago

confront,

I did not mean to insinuate that those jobs were not important, the wording just came out that way, but Mr. Winn's job is important also. Some of the previous posts talked as though his job was not needed. And yes, like anyone else I make typo's (Geeesh!). But thank you for commenting.

as far as the race card comment.............it is what it is, truth hurts. check the statistics for yourself.

Hawk...

I only defended him in saying that he is a kind man and that his job should not be taken away because he is not a good landlord. I did agree that he is not "good" landlord. Thankyou for reading my comments. I do agree with you that the LJW should post how many other landlords also hold city positions. I think we all would be surprised.

mick 7 years, 4 months ago

I don't want to single out this one individual, but it seems there is evidence that maybe ALL city workers are overpaid, given the current budget situation.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 4 months ago

instead of focusing on the main thrust of the article, almost all of you have gone off on a tangent.

good for the east Lawrence folk. indeed pastor winn here is being a scumlord by its definition: ruining a neighborhood by concentrating criminals in a neighborhood; renting to 'scum.'

he should start putting a clause in his rental agreements that states that criminal activity, even one incident, can be reason for eviction. it is truly not fair to concentrate these people in one neighborhood, as in 1300 NY, 1200/1202 ny. if a landlord knowingly continues to rent to drug dealers, habitual crooks, etc., that landlord should be charged with criminal facilitation or something similar. that would change things fast.

mick 7 years, 4 months ago

What makes people like this want to be landlords in the first place? Is it an ego trip?

TheEleventhStephanie 7 years, 4 months ago

I propose a $250,000 study on how the city can stop drug houses.

yellowhouse 7 years, 4 months ago

"quote: Other neighbors, who asked not to be identified, said there has been a steady stream of cars and visitors to the house, and that the front yard is often full of intimidating people" IF THIS IS NOT A RACE CARD THEN WHAT IS? What exactly is an intimidating person?...Why not just say it. Too many black people are in the front yard!

yellowhouse 7 years, 4 months ago

why is paul winn being targeted here? Is he the only landlord with low income families living in his property?

Perhaps if the tenants paid the rent, he would have the money to fix them up more.

As far as drugs....Well the whole world now knows that the people living at 1200 New York are drug dealers...thanks to this article...(whether they are or not) So it seems to me no self respecting drug addict would go there to buy drugs, So seems that problem should be solved!

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

This position is completely useless. Tenants/Landlords (circle one) can simply sue the tenant/landlord (circle one) in small claims court. Why have a mediator at all?

kelliloveslife 7 years, 4 months ago

First I don't want to be anonymous. My name is Kelli Moore and I have been a Douglas County resident 39 years. I would like to say that I wonder if a city official who is suppose to help people with any discrimination problems, not only landlord/tenant problems, can't follow the rules of the very government institution that he is employed by. Is not upholding his position by engaging in unlawful acts, should not be employed there any longer. Secondly, if he is pushing the city on his slumlord rentals what other unlawful things is the man engaging in? I recall that when he was building his church he had to tear down the roof that he had begun because he was in violation of the city building code. He also knows that the people that he is renting to are known felons and he would put the people in that neighbor in danger with no concern for their safety. He also receives numerous complaints from the neighbors about his tenants at this property and is aware of the very numerous police assists calls to that address and ignores all of this and continues to allow these people to remain in his unit. And not just the current tenants what about the ones before that. And the ones before that? Evidently there has been no evictions on the current tenants with all this knowledge of the traffic in and out, police, etc. Also there is a difference in helping those folks out as one comment said, and letting someone live in the conditions that they were living in. And if you really want to help someone out try helping those who want to help themselves. I am just appaulled by his actions and I hope that I or my family or friends never have a discrimination problem where he, MR Paul Winn, would be the only person at the city to turn to.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

Kelli, perhaps you don't understand the role of a "mediator." A mediator is a neutral party who assists in negotiations and conflict resolution. This is distinguished from a "advocate." An advocate is one who is biased and speaks on behalf their clients in negotiations and conflict resolution. In the first case the process being known as "mediation."

It seems that you and many others in Lawrence are under the mistaken impression that a "landlord-tenant mediator" is supposed to take the side of the tenant, which is clearly not their purpose nor their job. If you are looking for an advocate, file a case in court, small claims division or one of the District Court divisions and fight it out there.

In any case this position is clearly a waste of time and money for the taxpayers and ought to be eliminated.

black_butterfly 7 years, 4 months ago

Well, while we are talking about getting rid of houses that dope dealers live in, lets put pressure on the Housing Authority to stop letting the drug dealers live with women on section 8 just because they have no "verifiable income"!

kelliloveslife 7 years, 4 months ago

Sigmund, I have personally seen how mr winn works. People with legitimate dicrimination complaints on employers or student for another example with a complaint. Both had clear cut cases and complaints. Mr winn turned these people away not even wanting to investigate or persue these complaints. Turned them away with not direction nor idea nor resourse on others who they couldo turn to for their complaint. He's not the only one to turn to but many people don't relieze this. Paul Winn Is as ////// as this < stick. HUMMMM I wonder if there are under the table handshakes Hummmm? Mr. Sigmund have you personnelly had to turn to Mr. Winn for discrimination help?............. Didn't think so. Like I said in my earlier comment if Mr Winn is engaging in unlawful acts as a scumlord, slumlord, i'm sure it doesn't stop there. Believe that! Siggy read SMITTY's comment, also notice the website link.

kelliloveslife 7 years, 4 months ago

Marion Great job I like the way you put your comment. About the picture. Only thing is that you didn't point out which person in the picture that Paul Winn is. He's the one in the front middle walking with the book open.

J Good Good 7 years, 4 months ago

I live in this neighborhood and I have to tell you this is too funny and yet insulting at the same time:

"What exactly is an intimidating person?:Why not just say it. Too many black people are in the front yard!"

This neighborhood is mixed race and many of us chose to live here because we want to raise our kids in a mixed race environment. Some of the neighbors who don't feel safe because of this slumlord are BLACK families, and some of these kids hanging out ogling people in the front yard are WHITE. This is not about race, this is about a family neighborhood where one landlord has really made life harder for everyone around by enabling bad people and bad behavior.

pissedinlawrence 7 years, 4 months ago

Hey I live at Boardwalk and a crack dealer lives next to me!

He's really nice though.

Haiku_Cuckoo 7 years, 4 months ago

if this is not a race card then what is? What exactly is an intimidating person?:Why not just say it. Too many black people are in the front yard! ============ You are the racist for implying that white people are incapable of being intimidating.

Sigmund 7 years, 4 months ago

Kelli, you don't get it yet do you hun? He is a MEDIATOR (large caps regex'ed away) not an investigator. Jeez, please try and keep up with the rest of poseters.

kelliloveslife 7 years, 4 months ago

siggy, i very much do get it. i never said he wasn't a mediator. Go back and read my comments before you put words in my mouth. Mediating is only part of and mainly the ending part of the "investingtions" that he may follow through with. once again read smitty's comment maybe YOU can get it. especially the last paragraph of his comment. mediating is in most cases the last step to a complaint. do you read anyone else's comments? geeeeezzzz comment on someone else. I guess what i have to say, is obviously, to you, more interesting than things that others are saying. MOVE ON!

ljwreader1 7 years, 3 months ago

Many "pastors" of a hyphenated-community are frauds. They are masters of deception by manipulating the pretense of race and/or religion. They know that they will receive hands-off treatment even when their unethical, immoral or law breaking activity becomes public knowledge because they and the hyphenated-community will scream discrimmination.

muddfoot55 7 years, 3 months ago

A little research into the realestate tax rolls in Douglas and Shawnee county might prove interesting. And the assets of the church..???? ........white, black, pink, or green...doctor, lawyer, indian chief .....it shouldn't matter. The regs and laws for housing in Lawrence are what they are....and no one should be above them. If this were most of us, it would be silver braclets, back seat in a black and white , and awaiting a court date. I believe there is more hiding under the pretense of his clergy's frock.

kelliloveslife 7 years, 3 months ago

I am dictating for someone who does not have the internet but would very much like to post a comment. This anonymous person just has one thing to say at this time. A question to MR Winn? Does collecting rent at 4th and Illinois last year ring a bell? I believe the statutes of limitations is 2 years.

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