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Lawrence police investigating possible hate crime

April 12, 2007

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According to Lawrence police, around 2 p.m. Thursday afternoon, a man was beaten in broad daylight while walking downtown.

Lawrence police investigating possible hate crime

According to Lawrence police, around 2 p.m. Thursday afternoon, a man was beaten in broad daylight while walking downtown. Enlarge video

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Kathy Getto 7 years ago

This from the US Dept. of Justice:

Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, religious, sexual orientation, or disability. The purveyors of hate use explosives, arson, weapons, vandalism, physical violence, and verbal threats of violence to instill fear in their victims, leaving them vulnerable to more attacks and feeling alienated, helpless, suspicious and fearful. Others may become frustrated and angry if they believe the local government and other groups in the community will not protect them. When perpetrators of hate are not prosecuted as criminals and their acts not publicly condemned, their crimes can weaken even those communities with the healthiest race relations.

Of all crimes, hate crimes are most likely to create or exacerbate tensions, which can trigger larger community-wide racial conflict, civil disturbances, and even riots. Hate crimes put cities and towns at-risk of serious social and economic consequences. The immediate costs of racial conflicts and civil disturbances are police, fire, and medical personnel overtime, injury or death, business and residential property loss, and damage to vehicles and equipment. Long-term recovery may be hindered by a decline in property values, which results in lower tax revenues, scarcity of funds for rebuilding, and increased insurance rates.

Read the rest here:

http://www.usdoj.gov/crs/pubs/crs_pub_hate_crime_bulletin_1201.htm

Now, Marion - tell me just exactly is a "thought" crime?

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

Dambudzo, He is not 'queer'. He is heterosexually challenged.

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Dambudzo 7 years ago

I heard that the queer was sexually harassing the attackers. Its just hearsay though.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 7 years ago

Yes, Marion, if someone beats you up using any kind of racial or bigoted language, then they may be charged with a hate crime. That happened in Long Beach, CA.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7045725

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

Posted by Porter (anonymous) on April 13, 2007 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Did you get the license plate number? Did you get a descripton of the vehicle, color, make, model?"

Nervous???


Porter, It appears you've joined the ranks of the idiotic.

Marion, Nutcase is a dumbass.

Why wouldn't a person get the license plate number? They pulled up on the vehicle and honked? Get the damn license plate number so you can give an accurate report to the police. Now these scumbags may get away because the witnesses may have failed to do something so simple as get the license number? I commend them for getting involved, but whenever you witness a crime get INFORMATION for the police if you want the perpetrators off the streets.

Any violent crime is a hate crime.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Well, Megmcc, it looks like you did your job as a citizen, at least according to the new article in today's edtion and you are to be commended!

Thanks.

Marion.

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classclown 7 years ago

Was that footage of KU last weekend?

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yellowhouse 7 years ago

No they were just walking while gay...driving while black....eating while fat...talking while blonde...must I go on?

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Nutcase:

You are very buisily demonstrating the accuracy of your sel-given name.

I "insinuated" NOTHING!

I merely asked a perfectly legitimate question.

I do not doubt for a moment that the guys who pounded the pedestrian are guilty of the crime of battery but I have a problem with the classification of "hate crimes".

"Hate crimes" are THOUGHT crimes and the guy who got beaten certainly feels no worse because the other guys might have disliked him.

THAT part of the assaut is YOURS; not his.

The fact that the perps may have disliked or even "hated" whatever the victim is or was, makes the crime no worse.

Thanks.

Marion.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years ago

Were they having a foot race?

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yellowhouse 7 years ago

okay.......

I think its time for a video!

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nutcase 7 years ago

Actually what happened was nowhere near what your moronic post tried to insinuate. Unfortunately you are too much like the perprtrators to ever have it happen to you.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Yes, I saw your gradeschool post coming before I posted and am gald that it came up first.

Thank you for your moronic attempt at humour but would you now even briefly consider dealing with the question on the table?

Thanks.

Marion.

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nutcase 7 years ago

Marion. Actually most would consider that a community service and worthy of a commendation.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Well, what I want to know is if I, as a straight; a HETEROSEXUAL, am walking down the street and a vanload of lumberjack tops pulls up and stops, with one of them shouting "BREEDER!" and a couple of them beat ME senseless, has a "hate crime" occurred?

Thanks.

Marion.

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Porter 7 years ago

"Did you get the license plate number? Did you get a descripton of the vehicle, color, make, model?"

Nervous???

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Godot 7 years ago

Meggers. That sounds so familiar. Where have I heard that before?

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 7 years ago

And, My Fellow Queers, think twice before telling your friends this town is anything other than 'white-trash hell on wheels'.

Three dumb jocks beat you up, so that makes the whole town bad? C'mon man, don't be so bigoted. They may not have even been Lawrence residents. Either way, I hope they get caught and locked up.

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

nutcase, You are what you're named. Again, I'm not a con-man. You however are a dumbass. What the hell is the obsession with the lefties to label me a man? Why can't a woman be conservative? Have a conservative voice and speak freely? You clowns are idiots. All women must conform to some left leaning political ideology, if they don't then they are con-men? What the hell is that? My goodness you are stupid!

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nutcase 7 years ago

mom=con-man. Am I wrong? Same type of posts, same level of hatred and ignorance. beatenQueer , you summed Marion and his kind up correctly. Marion is a business failure, along with incompetent webmaster. Along with that, he is incapable of refuting any statement one makes. This is a definitely sign of a misfit. He still can't explain why he can't run a pawn shop or web forum profitably. Wonder why? Marion, oh great one , tell us why.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

a lover's spat? Weren't there three...would that make it a menage a trois?

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budwhysir 7 years ago

isnt any crime hatefull????

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

Posted by born_to_run (anonymous) on April 13, 2007 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! There are some really nasty, ignorant, and rude comments on here! I feel bad for the victim and I hope they catch the offenders.

Tawanna Brawley, Susan Smith and a plethora of other hoaxes have jaded the readers. Until the motive is revealed it could be just a lovers spat.

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Your_Mom 7 years ago

Posted by megmcc75 (anonymous) on April 13, 2007 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I witnessed the entire thing.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Did you get the license plate number? Did you get a descripton of the vehicle, color, make, model?

Thanks,

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born_to_run 7 years ago

Wow! There are some really nasty, ignorant, and rude comments on here! I feel bad for the victim and I hope they catch the offenders.

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dthroat 7 years ago

beatenQueer- Bravo for standing up and responding on this board. I am sure you will be subjected to all sorts of inflamed and insulting comments from here on out, but it is good to see you not just sitting back quietly.

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beatenQueer 7 years ago

As the victim in this incident, i would first like to thank meg and all others who helped me. it was a true surprise to me that people with compasssion live in this town. thank You Meg.

it has been my experience that most people in this town are not unlike that of the jack of all asses, marioN lynN.

Yes Marion, you are a Jackass, and not just a run-of-the-mill jackass, but the sort of jackass that would vote for gw bush or d cheney.

As for the hate-crime aspect, i also think that the entire concept of hate-crime is Effin asanine. Not because bigots shouldn't be prosecuted a bit more, but because all crimes are hate-crimes, 'liberal', or not. Not to say that all bigots shouldn't be creatively and slowly made into quadraplegic vegetables, but not to say otherwise, either.

As for the Mistake in Reporting of the location of the incident, it took place close to downtown, but not technically downtown. It happened less than 20 metres from the police station, on 12th, between rhode island and connecticut-- aren't there cameras within a square block radius of the police station? Maybe that is why the worldco reported it as having taken place downtown.

From previous experience w/ the town of lawrence police force, i expect this whole thing will be nothing more than talk. Although, it would be nice to see just the smallest amount of justice take place here, that is, without the heavy hand of corruption being the motivator.

And, My Fellow Queers, think twice before telling your friends this town is anything other than 'white-trash hell on wheels'. or that any of the 'publicly liberal/closet Abortion' politicians give 2 Damns about their constituency.

Thank You, And, As Always, HAPPY FRIDAY THE 13TH,

Ggeoff

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

From "Way Of The Gun":

Mr. Parker:

"Don't you think it's funny that if I grab a woman's a++ and she punches me, she's fighting for her rights, but if a f++++t grabs my a++ and I punch his lights out, I'm a homophobe?"

How TRUE!

Thanks.

Marion.

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JLoh21 7 years ago

The term "hate" crime is a liberal expression to try and give liberals more rights than the average person. It is the same crime to assault someone regardless of race, creed or religion.

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Jace 7 years ago

Okay, so if a white, heterosexual, catholic guy attacks another white, heterosexual catholic guy (maybe because the guy who was attacked was fooling around with the attacker's wife or whatever).....and then the attacker admits to doing so because he hated the guy he attacked......can the attacker still be charged with a "hate crime"?

Or does a person only get charged with a "hate crime" if the victim is not exactly the same as the attacker?

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

Since you claim to have witnessed this incident did you give your name and contact information to the police so that you might be availble for service and will you be available to be a witness at any trial which may result from this incident which you assert has so horrified you?

Thanks.

Marion.

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megmcc75 7 years ago

Marion:

I'm not sure what you mean? We talked with the police along with other witnesses if that is what you mean.

No...thank you.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

megmcc75:

Did you give your information to the police?

Thanks.

Marion.

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megmcc75 7 years ago

Godot, They did not know each other. The guy that got jumped had a slightly feminine taste in fashion. Obviously offending the meatheads...

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megmcc75 7 years ago

Marion, You must be a bigot yourself?
I'm amazed how many people just want to believe this incident was something other than what it was. All should be appalled. It was the most unnecessary hateful thing i've witnessed in a long time.

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Godot 7 years ago

How did they know he was gay? Were they personal acquaintances?

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hawkperchedatriverfront 7 years ago

What, this happened downtown? the quaint, cutsie place that the city commission has been saving for over 30 years now?

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Porter 7 years ago

Marion, "Dumbass" isn't a protected class.

That means you need to be careful.

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Marion Lynn 7 years ago

If one guy whups a++ on another guy and the first guy calls the second guy a "dumba++" in the process, would the beating be a "hate crime"?

What if the guy getting thumped IS a "dumba++"?

Thanks.

Marion.

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megmcc75 7 years ago

um...offtotheright....he did....he ignored them and they followed him and jumped him because he was gay. I watched it happen. There was only 1 person that hit him. The others were in the car. This guy did not want to fight, did not encourage ANYONE to fight him and was minding his own business. In fact, he didn't even see the guy coming...he was completely blindsided. If anyone should use their heads, it's the bigots that were looking for trouble.

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offtotheright 7 years ago

The guy should have shrugged off the word faggot. I mean..3 against 1...come on use your head and ignore it!

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megmcc75 7 years ago

I witnessed the entire thing. He was a white male that got hit. The three pricks that were in on it where white college age kids. They called him a "faggot" while walking downtown. The guy that got jumped did not know who these people were. They followed him and jumped out of the car and punched him from behind. He did not see it coming. Meathead continued to kick and punch him after he was down. We called the cops while the two other meatheads in the car laughed and yelled other awful things. We honked the car and the cowardly meathead ran back to the others and peeled off down Connecticut. This is something that is not tolerated in this town. Take it back to the white trash place you came from...these kind of people are doing a dis-service to human kind.

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Dambudzo 7 years ago

What kind of crime is it if you tell them you love them then slug them?

Domestic Violence?

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prospector 7 years ago

Slug someone and it is assault and battery. Say the N-word while doing it makes it a hate crime.

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Dambudzo 7 years ago

I heard he looked like Imus.

AARP is investigating.

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scenebooster 7 years ago

More details, please...

If this happened at 2pm yesterday, I fail to see how this is "breaking" news....

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50YearResident 7 years ago

Is this considered a story?

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Wilbur_Nether 7 years ago

redfred, if you get "breaking news," you get whatever information is available. If you want detailed information, it's going to be stale. Not much alternative in between....

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redfred 7 years ago

Typical LJW/Sunflower report. Not enough info to figure out what's going on.

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Wilbur_Nether 7 years ago

madmike seethed "How does that constitute a hate crime?"

First, if the person(s) committing the crime perceive the victim to belong to some identifiable social group due to race, national origin, gender, color, religion, age, disability, etc. and choose the victim because (s)he belongs to that social group, that can be classified as a hate crime.

Second, the story refers to this as a possible hate crime...that's one of the things they're investigating.

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madmike 7 years ago

OK, I'll bite. How does that constitute a hate crime?

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