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September 25, 2006


To the editor:

I count five incomplete letters to the editor staring at me from the desktop. Seems I no sooner start one in response to an outrageous piece of news than another story wrecks my concentration.

Two items in the Monday, Sept. 18, Journal-World brought painful focus. The first was the Wartime Detention Timeline. We're reminded that our president, under cover of national security, decided to ignore Geneva Convention rights more than four years ago. We first heard of secret CIA prisons from the Washington Post in December 2002. This year the Supreme Court said it's unlawful to ignore prisoner rights; the administration plans to change the law. Rumsfeld questions the definition of torture. (Have to remind myself this is the United States.) Perhaps he should experience various techniques to help with answers.

Which brings me to item No. 2. The cartoon on page 6B shows shadowy figures talking about Bush's version of the Geneva Conventions. The next frame is heartbreakingly clear as the shadowy figures are revealed standing over a bound U.S. soldier.

I'm tired of the argument for "anything goes" to protect Americans. I'm appalled at the idea of secret CIA prisons around the world full of hidden horrors. I challenge those willing to sacrifice our national identity on the altar of "safety" to look at the drawing and see their son (daughter, husband, wife) in that place. Keep it with you.

Lisa Bailey,



temperance 11 years, 9 months ago

You see, Lisa, Pilgrim would be much more comfortable in a country like Syria or Iran where they have no due process rights and where you can torture "these guys" (i.e. Muslims) without bringing charges against them. Pilgrim is SO SCARED of the big bad Muslim Terrorists that she's willing to give up the rights and liberties upon which our country is based. THAT is cowardice.

gphawk89 11 years, 9 months ago

"I'm appalled at the idea of secret CIA prisons around the world full of hidden horrors."

I'm not. Those who wish to kill us are better detained somwehere overseas than running loose here in the States.

lunacydetector 11 years, 9 months ago

whatever happened to the geneva convention outcry when some terrorists took a couple of our service men, beheaded them, and hung them up on a bridge to rot? or, back in june when two u.s. servicemen were captured by some terrorists, then tortured and murdered in a barbaric manner?

i know people who have served in iraq and afghanistan. the atrocities committed against our u.s. service personnel pales in comparison to throwing some terrorists in jail and urinating on their koran.

Speakout 11 years, 9 months ago

Wrong or right, the best way to defeat something is to come to an understanding of why it is happening. We still refuse to accept that until there is justice in the Middle East, there will be no rest. Lets make laws to protect the rights of justice and the terrorism will stop.

We continue to attack Muslims because we think each one of them is a terrorist. I doubt that, I know a great many who are just as appalled at the events as non-Muslims, but who are also sick and tired of the injustice of the American policy toward their homelands.

Justice is nothing more than what is needed, without justice there is no peace.

christy kennedy 11 years, 9 months ago

Good letter Lisa. How those who want to go the route of torture and secret prisons don't see the inevitable backlash of retailiation against U.S. service persons, journalists, and travelers everywhere is beyond me.

It's criminal. Intelligence experts say it's counter productive. And we've already seen incidents of retailiation. Those who formulate such policies do so from the safety of their Secret Service guarded enclaves and show little regard for the folks they put in harm's way.

And to any moron sitting safely in this country who says it's okay; let's say you were defending your country, neighborhood, and family from an invading army and one or more of your family members were killed and/or disappeared in the night and you found out they were being tortured in a black prison somewhere. Is that going to make you more friendly to the invading army? Use some LOGIC people, for god's sake.

Even if you only care about your own asses you gotta, at some point, see how enraging large groups of people, torturing them, blowing up their homes and families - giving many of them nothing to live for - is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

christy kennedy 11 years, 9 months ago

Dear lunacy,

Reread your second paragraph. It says "atrocities commited against our u.s. service persons pales in comparison" as if it's nothing compared to peeing on the Koran. I know that's not what you meant, but anyway . . . those of us who are against torture are therefore quite obviously against beheadings, torture or mistreatment of ANYone for a variety of reasons. Regardless of what someone has done, once captured, there are rules humanity has agreed upon about their treatment. And I'll say it again; even if you don't care one bit about anyone who isn't an American, please try to grasp the fact that once you commit atrocities - forget peeing on the Koran or jailing people - I mean torture and murder of detainees and torture, murder, rape, and bombing of civilians. Once you do that on a systemic level, how in the Hell do you expect anyone, even those previously disinclined to violence, to follow the rules?

Our guys are put at vastly increased risk by the policies of the Bush adminstration. They've been wrong-headed from the start and they continue to make decisions that have cost our guys their lives.

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