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Bill Clinton defends handling of bin Laden

September 25, 2006

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— In a combative interview on "Fox News Sunday," former President Clinton defended his handling of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden, saying he tried to have bin Laden killed and was attacked for his efforts by the same people who now criticize him for not doing enough.

"That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now," Clinton said in the interview. "They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try; they did not try."

Clinton accused host Chris Wallace of a "conservative hit job" and asked: "I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, 'Why didn't you do anything about the Cole?' I want to know how many people you asked, 'Why did you fire Dick Clarke?"'

He was referring to the USS Cole, attacked by terrorists in Yemen in 2000, and former White House anti-terrorism chief Richard A. Clarke.

The interview was taped Friday during Clinton's three-day Global Initiative conference.

Comments

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

The local contingent of troglodyte conservatives had better make arrangements with the local suicide prevention hotline . . . because either Hillary or McCain will win in '08, and their breed of ignoramuses will be shut out of power for the rest of our natural lives.

Conservatives are a curse on the country; past, present, but not the future.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Xeno you are a moonbat.

"or would you prefer a president who needlessly invaded a foreign country,"

He had to invade, congress voted on it. HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE TELL YOU.

You refuse to acknowledge that was the will of the people.

You spin entirely too much and use too few facts.

You operate on hatred of Bush rather than on intellect and thoughtful analysis.

middleoftheroader 8 years, 10 months ago

hey if Clinton wants to "KILL" Bin Laden then i say lets give him an assault rifle, some camo clothing, a few c-rations...er mre's, a map of the region, and drop him off in the mountains along the afghanistan pakistan border... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

I thought it was funny that CNN's lead in to the story was "When was the last time you saw Clinton shake his finger" and asked people on the street. Of course everyone remembers his vow of "I did not have sex with that woman". I was shocked that a liberal news channel such as CNN would use Clinton that way. I guess there is no loyalty in the liberal circles when it comes to ratings or money.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

Clinton was/is much too smart to invade Iraq, something "your guy" wasn't up to. Wonder why that is?

And: "Clinton just emboldened the terrorists"

Why did the Republican Senate, led by Trent Lott, oppose every terrorist-fighting measure William the Great proposed?

Don't bother me any more with your drivel. Study, read more, learn more - whatever, but don't bother me with your mediocre interpretations of reality.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

As usual, the local contingent of troglodyte conservatives ignore the obvious:

1). William the Great went into the den of our enemies, the snot-nosed frat boys at Fox, and scattered them like the cur dogs they are; and,

2). he rather emphatically noted that the primary impediment to our country preventing terror attacks on our soil were Senate Republicans, led by Trent Lott, who obeyed their born-again fundie base by ignoring security issues to focus on William the Great's liaison with Monica Lewinsky;and,

3). everyone on the thread ignores that, at no time, did we control or have a hold on OBL, and that Sudan, rather than "offer him to us on a silver platter," was interested ONLY in returning OBL to Saudi Arabia . . . to be pardoned.

Conservative gasbags will, no doubt, exercise more caution in the future, lest they also suffer remonstrance and reprimand from William the Great and his supporters.

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 10 months ago

funny thing acg... I loved it too. Watching willy melt down like that was hyeterical... he should audition for SNL. He's just as funny as any of those guys.

I guess it's true - some heart medications DO affect your brain.

First he tries to makes a grand statement that is in his mind makes him sound deep and important. When it's pointed out it sounds morbid he says oh NO no no, I was just being whimsical and humorous...

Then he goes of on a complete tangent and asks..."I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, "Why didn't you do anything about the Cole?"

** I think sir you were president at that time. Bush didn't have an administration.

He mentions: "And if I were still president, we'd have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him."

**Didn't your administration slash the milatary?

I'm going to have to start my own blog to touch on all the ridiculous blather coming out of him

but.... funniest of all.. He could have answered the question in 3 sentences and then went on to talk about all the good he's trying to do but he's too guilty to let it go.

BigAl 8 years, 10 months ago

conservativeman... you failed to mention why the republicans wasted 8 years and fought Clinton on every move he made INCLUDING trying to stop terroism. You right wing wackos only agree with troup movements when we invade under a republican administration. Where were your "SUPPORT THE TROUP" bumper stickers then? Hypocrites of the highest order. Remember, Clinton was stopped pursuing terrorists by the do-nothing republican controlled senate.

Sacerdotal 8 years, 10 months ago

It WAS interesting to remember we once had a president who could speak in paragraphs and didn't resort to "um" and "ah" as regular fillers. There is blame aplenty here. Some of it goes to the American people and their aversion to mass military deaths; fortunately, we have gotten over that with the current administration's wacky foreign policy.

acg 8 years, 10 months ago

Man I love slick Willy. I loved this interview. I loved his responses to that snotty little mouthpiece that was interviewing him. Highly entertaining t.v.

BigAl 8 years, 10 months ago

Clinton is right. Everytime he tried to do ANYTHING he was ridiculed and stopped by the right-wing. Any time he attempted anything militarily, he was ridiculed by the right. How 'bout SUPPORT THE TROOPS???? I guess we only support the military if it is committed by the right. The do-nothing right-wingnuts spent 8 years going after Bill Clinton, spent millions of dollars and wasted 8 important years. Now, they want to blame him for Iraq? Give me a break.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

This is just the beginning. When Hillary runs in '08, William the Great will be out front, routing the liars and paid whores of the super rich who flog Republican ideology.

BigAl is right; hardcore Republican fascists hate/dread McCain, for he is the antithesis of their gutless, scurrilous breed. And he remembers what the born-again whores did and said about him and his family.

Whoever wins in '08, Hillary or McCain, the country will be the big winner.

BigAl 8 years, 10 months ago

By the way, what is King Karl Rove gonna do when the republicans nominate John McCain? Rove tried to discredit his military and senate record. Even Limbaugh made fun of McCain on his radio show. I am going to enjoy watching the republicans suck up their sacks when they have to eat whatever McCain delivers.

BigAl 8 years, 10 months ago

As far as I am concerned, Bill Clinton kicked some pompous FOX news butt. Long overdue.

drewdun 8 years, 10 months ago

Hey, Pilgrim, what's your team's plan? 'Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here?' Freakin' brilliant. A winning strategy.

Wonder if you wingnuts saw the story about the NIE and the fact that Iraq is making our nation LESS SAFE; probably not. It probably couldn't make it past your GOP 'good-news' filters. You GOPers are truly pathetic. Fascist trash

drewdun 8 years, 10 months ago

"Karl Rove Rocks!! I'm greatful each and every day that Karl Rove is on the right team"

Seriously, anyone that could produce a statement such as this is a troubled individual.

And by the way, there's a special place in hell for Karl Rove; its called "Atwater Junction."

Porter 8 years, 10 months ago

The report is classified?

We know what it says. If it's bad news, we won't hear anything from the administration. If it's good news, Robert Novak gets dibs.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

It may be that Republicans are more devious, and evil, than we originally thought.

They seemed to grasp immediately that many in the country are sexually inadequate - that they have sexual issues in their personality and character that make them cringe with horror at the very idea of their parents - or the President, in the Oval Office no less - having sex.

And the evil Republicans used this sexual psychopathology to further their political agenda by smearing William the Great and working to limit or nullify the many wonferful things he did for the country and our people, simply by constantly reminding people that George Bush - while he's dumber than a fence post and has the native intelligence of your neighborhood crackhead - isn't hound-dogging 24-year-old interns in the Oval Office.

And you think we are supposed to accord you any relevance on this site?

William Jefferson Clinton is one of the very few truly great American presidents. Anyone who can't see that - whatever your political ideology - is dumb. Period. You are dumb. You are not worth an idle thought.

I challenge any of you to explain, on this site, why you found his liaison with Monica Lewinsky offensive. I challenge any of you to explain comprehensively, on this site, why you do not give him the reverence and respect he is due . . . despite the efforts of the super rich, like Richard Mellon Scaife and his ilk, to BUY your animus toward him.

prairiepollyana 8 years, 10 months ago

xeno...

CNN did this to Bill Clinton today. I don't think you can honestly say that CNN is a republican supporter. But to your other question...regardless if the man didn't know that what he did with that poor girl was "actual" sex, it was outside his sacred vows to his wife and his sacred vow to his country to uphold the highest public office in the nation beyond reproach. Instead, he held it to public ridicule to our nation and to the world. AND he shook his finger to prove the point.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

Good manners forbid deliberate insult, and far be it from me to point out that several of those who post on this site in opposition to William the Great have an . . . unsophisticated . . . attitude toward the sexual peccadilloes of human beings, let alone those of great men.

It was no one's business, except Hillary Clinton, that William the Great dallied with another consenting adult. That you exercise such phobias about it perhaps speaks to personal problems and failings you need to recognize and address, as best you can.

That William the Great subsequently lied about the encounter did not, and still does not, reflect well on him, but it caused no appreciable harm, except that the French got a good belly laugh or two at our expense. It was also his misfortune to be hounded by a vast right wing conspiracy, funded by the super-rich who were completely, totally incensed that William the Great rolled back some of their gains under the Reagan/Bush years, and led by born-again Christian fundamentalists anxious to demonstrate their power to their new Republicans servants.

One main problem with Republicans, and with those of you who blindly support their drivel, is that they're not very smart. They've managed to fool and hoodwink quite a lot of people for quite a long time, but some of us know the truth. They care only for the rich; really, only the super-rich. It is pathetic to observe the lickspittle twits who ache to "achieve" their status.

You Republican conservatives are obsolete, and obviously don't yet know it. But you will get a wake-up call in November . . . and myself and holygrailale and braille and agnostix and a few other daughty liberal Democrats will be here to remind you.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

prairiepollyanna:

Did you actually post: "sacred vows to his wife"; and "sacred vow to his country to uphold the highest public office in the nation beyond reproach?"

Sacred vows? Whew! What kindergarten did you stumble out of?

But, let's cut to the chase: of the two, would you prefer a president who broke his sacred vows to his wife and his sacred vow to uphold the highest public office in the nation beyond reproach, or would you prefer a president who needlessly invaded a foreign country, caused the deaths of almost 2800 American service men and women, the severe wounding of 11,500 more, the waste of more than one trillion dollars, and the ruin of American foreign policy?

Which will it be?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

More moonbattiness from Xeno:

"caused the deaths of almost 2800 American service men and women,.."

Unh, the ENEMY caused them. We "risk our treasure" (something you obviously do not comprehend) to eliminate the risk, and those that go there by their grace and honor, know the score.

You however do not understand one iota that the first rule of war is "young men (and women) die". That is why war is to be avoided. Events and Sadaam, and a UN with NO backbone required us to go into Iraq. NOTHING you can say can overturn that.

We would not have st "spend our treasure" if the UN just made Iraq comply.

If you want to enlist Third-party blame for US servicemen deaths, that would be laid at the feet of the French, the EU, and the UN.

Failure to do so is a failure to analyze all aspects of this problem

Remember, the UN official were getting rich by the kick backs from Oil for Food.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

asbestos:

As much as it grieves me - I have better things to do than waste time correcting conservative wretches - I want you to use that powerful mind of yours to hark back to before the war, before the invasion, before even the White House-led campaign to drum up Congressional, public, and UN support for unilateral US action against Iraq.

What exactly did Dick Cheney intend when he suborned George Tenet at the CIA to knowingly, deliberately feed Colin Powell bogus intelligence to convince Powell to carry the administration's war effort to a skeptical UN?

When, and if, you ever completely, fully understand Cheney's intent and role in the affair, it will no longer be necessary for you to infest this site with your puerile drivel.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

What a bunch of Boy Scouts.

"Lies under oath?" Why did he even have to respond to something that was no one's business . . . except that Republican whores for the super rich were seeking desperately for anything to attack him with.

And you still parrot their crap. What does that say about your acumen?

And right-thinker, no doubt you regard PBS as a bastion of left-wing propaganda - frankly, I couldn't care less, but for the sake of good manners - please refer to the following:

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/

and try to drum up some objectivity inre your beloved Vice-President as he dupes your Texas Cowboy idiot into an unnecessary war.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Xeno, just why the heck do you think you have all the answers? Did clinton pardon you???

Good lord, all you can do is have the PBS sleft slime ball producers crapola and you take that as fact, regardless of ACTUAL REPORTS and ACTUAL OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION.

Whatta rube.

I don;t know what YOU are Xeno, but intelligent is not one of the characteristice.

I can now see what you are all about.

YOu sir are the one parroting crapola. Just like Begala and Carvelle. Ever notice those guys always have to appear on shows together, because they can't win an argument on their own?

SAOme set of heros.

At least our guy put some fear into the terrorists,

Clinton just emboldended the terrorists.

How come you don't reference THAT particular part of the NIE??? HMMMMM?????

BOE 8 years, 10 months ago

" ASBESTOS: on September 27, 2006 at 11:32

Pilgrim the Plame story is over.

Posting it was PURE CRAP!

What a rube and idiot you are.

What an idiot!

If you are stupid enough to post something that dum, and something that out of date, you deserve to be called stupid. "

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LMAO

Though there are plenty of good reasons why Pilgrim's posting is useless in re: to truth about the Plame story (basically a CYA/CRA hit piece, no surprise since she's an extreme RW partisan, and along with hubby diGenova, are pals of Novak) your rant against Pilgrim has all the characteristics of an unwarranted attack...and indicative of someone with zero reading comprehension.

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" I mean this story is SOOO SOOO discredited. You are repeating stuff that has already been disproven. "

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Ooopps. Well even a stopped clock is right once in a while. ;)

davisnin 8 years, 10 months ago

In the private sector, a superior diddling an employee gets fired. Lying under oath puts you in jail. Sell secrets to China and you get put to death.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

You conservatives are a mixed-up bunch.

You can't seem to grasp that much of the animus directed toward William the Great was bought and paid for by super-rich, right-wing fringe lunatics like Richard Mellon Scaife, who spent millions of dollars bankrolling scheme after scheme - some in collusion with born-again fundies like Dobson and Robertson - to smear William the Great.

If there is an iota of fairness in any of you, you will recall that there was a national hotline, posted in strip malls and trailer parks all over the country, trying to elicit women to make sexual complaints against Clinton. All because William the Great insisted on raising taxes on the wealthy.

And all of you, still today, parrot their nonsense. Many of us are not happy about the Lewinsky episode, the lying under oath, all the hubris and cacophony that ensued, but we are objective enough to understand how Clinton was pursued, harrassed even, by his enemies, and accord him a measure of empathy.

The biographies of great men and women are replete with their foibles and failings, and Clinton is no different. He is a great man, he was a great president, and he will be a great First Gentleman (and eventually head of the World Bank) with St. Hillary.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

HGA:

"As the previous passage from the news conference that Patrick Fitzgerald held states, Valerie Plame was a secret agent, a deep cover secret agent, and no amount of conservative spin / revisionism changes that fact."

I am NOT going to rehash this, because even the media got it right finally with Armitage's fessing up to letting the Name fly to NOvak.

She was not and could not be Deep cover, and your post shows a lack of understanding on what deep cover or Operative is. SHe had a child, and therefore could NOT be an operative.

There is a difference legally and in actuallity between an operative and classified. The former is a spy the latter is an analysst.

As Novak said the REAL story here is how a CIA official got their husband appointed to go to Niger, when both of them had already proven to have a political bias against their actual job and Bush Administration. These folks are supposed to work for the Boss.

PLame should be up on charges herself.

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"Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community."

Well if it was "widely known" then she was already "outed" by someone else.

That is what I meant by good analysis. Your argument is not congent or consistent and is not self supporting.

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I just want NONO of this story to be anywhere anymore. There is nothing here, AND the real story of neopitism at the CIA for political reasons hurt the countires INtel, and put party before country.

Plame should have been fired.

middleoftheroader 8 years, 10 months ago

i never understood it completely i'll admit

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

It is telling that the local trogs whine and knash their teeth ceaselessly about William the Great "exercising his libido" in the Oval Office and lying about it, but remain stonily silent about Ronald Reagan's lies to the Iran-Contra committee - the most profound example of treason against the republic in the last century. While the only damange Clinton did was to outrage the sexual Puritans and the envious, Reagan and his minions did serious damage to America and our foreign policy.

And the local trogs have no answer to the dirty tricks and suborning intelligence Cheney & Co. perpetrated to further their war agenda - an agenda that Democrats should pursure, and prosecute the guilty, after next November.

middleoftheroader 8 years, 10 months ago

thankyou for the brief explaination right_thinker...im just glad its over

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Pilgrim the Plame story is over. IT was Armitage and Plame's own humband that "outed her". The prosecution also came to the conclusion that she was not an "operative", and there fore releasing her name was not "outing" her.

You are repeating stuff that has already been disproven.

The date on the article was Nov. 5, 2005. That is a year old and six months late.

Posting it was PURE CRAP!

The Special prosecutor is now considering not prosecuting Libby.

I mean this story is SOOO SOOO discredited.

The liberal media not checking facts and ignoring facts to promote lies and propaganda for the DNC.

What a rube and idiot you are.

If you are stupid enough to post something that dum, and something that out of date, you deserve to be called stupid.

What an idiot!

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

right thinker:

Did I miss something?

"Like you"?

You're pretty much a total stranger on a newspaper web site. You adhere to a rigid, inflexible social/political hierarchy that does not speak well to other aspects of your life.

And you can only bench 300 lbs. Wussy-boy.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Again Graile, this thread is about Bill Clinton and his handling of the UBL issue NOT PLAME.

Stay on topic.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

HGA,

"it is so because I say so", "Yes IS TOO"

Excellent debating skills.

lunacydetector 8 years, 10 months ago

holygraileale, September 29, 2006 at 5:44 a.m. QUOTE......"Gee, ASBESTOS trotted out Fred Rustmann, who confirmed Plame's NOC status and when it was conferred. Sorry.

The "Valerie Plame wasn't NOC" line of argument has been debunked by your own sources. I'm amazed you tried it again."

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in response to your post above, you have your facts wrong.

Rustmann told Time magazine, "Plame was never a so-called deep-cover NOC." This means the "agency did not create a complex cover story about her education, background, job, personal life and even hobbies and habits that would stand up to intense scrutiny by foreign governments."

click on the link.

http://foi.missouri.edu/iipa/nocnoc.html

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

It doesn't fly with the DNC anymore or else they would be yell a whole lot , if the factw were as you state HGA.

Why would they (the DNC) not react or use it?

lunacydetector 8 years, 10 months ago

holygraileale, are you from baldwin and do you collect dolls?

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

Who will be the last Bush supporter in Douglas County?

In a recently released book - "State of Denial: Bush at War Part III," by Washington Post editor Bob Woodward, he describes a July 10, 2001 meeting in which then-CIA director George Tenet and his top counterintelligence aide Cofer Black sought to impress on Condoleezza Rice their fears that an attack on the United States was likely.

According to Woodward, Tenet and Black, Rice gave the men a polite hearing and a "brush-off."

This is just the beginning, but the local contingent of troglodyte conservatives had better google themselves sick to answer their lies that William the Great was responsible for 9/11, and that the Present Occupant and his congerie of incompetents were blameless for the attack.

The real truth about the incompetence and "asleep-at-the-wheel" mentality of the present administration won't come out until Democrats regain control of Congress and bring Republicans to account for their errors.

lunacydetector 8 years, 10 months ago

i asked because i thought maybe i knew you, but i don't.

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 9 months ago

LOL Again.... change conservative to liberal and I see YOU!!!

as_I_live_and_breathe 8 years, 9 months ago

Xeno says.....You adhere to a rigid, inflexible social/political hierarchy that does not speak well to other aspects of your life.

funny... I think the same about you. How can that be?

xenophonschild 8 years, 9 months ago

It may be that your capacities for complex thought are not well-developed, which would explain your muddling through the tired dreck of conservative ideology.

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