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September 19, 2006

In her television campaign commercials, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius has taken credit for resolving the school finance issue and mending a broken state budget.

Now on radio, Sebelius, a Democrat seeking re-election, has turned her sights to illegal immigration.

A new Sebelius radio ad touts the work of the Kansas National Guard in building a fence on the Arizona-Mexico border and blames Washington politicians for failing to stop the "national crisis" of illegal immigrants crossing the border.

The ad states: "Kathleen Sebelius, committed to tough border security, a real crackdown on employers who hire illegal immigrants, and a strong National Guard.

"Because Kathleen Sebelius knows states like Kansas have to step up when Washington fails to lead," the ad says.

Republican challenger Jim Barnett's campaign said Monday that Sebelius was "trying to rewrite her record on illegal immigration."

Barnett spokesman Rodger Woods stated: "Shifting blame to the federal government doesn't explain her support of granting additional benefits to encourage illegal immigration to Kansas."

Barnett often has criticized Sebelius for signing into law legislation that allows the children of some undocumented immigrants the opportunity to pay the lower in-state tuition at regents universities.

Sebelius spokeswoman Nicole Corcoran said that the law required those students to have attended a Kansas high school for at least three years, graduated, and taken steps to become legal citizens. Corcoran also noted that Barnett's lieutenant governor running mate, state Sen. Susan Wagle of Wichita, voted for the measure.

Woods also said that Sebelius' claim of commitment to border security "seems at odds" with her reluctance to support President Bush in his call to use the National Guard on the border.

In May, Bush said he would use National Guard troops to help on the border. At that time, Sebelius expressed concern, saying neither she nor other governors had been briefed on any of the plans.

Once details of the mission were known, Corcoran said, Sebelius was on board to deploy Kansas guardsmen. In July, about 50 airmen from the 184th Civil Engineering Squadron, based at McConnell Air Force Base in Wichita, were deployed to the border.

Bob Beatty, a political science professor at Washburn University, said the ad represented another example of Sebelius' well-oiled campaign.

It allows her to get out front on the immigration issue, which is the No. 1 concern among many voters, he said.

It also allows her to point out that the federal government - not the state government - has failed to enact a workable solution, and it "pre-empts" Barnett's claim that she is soft on immigration.

"She is going out there ahead of him," Beatty said. Now, he said, when Barnett runs an ad on illegal immigration, Sebelius can say, "My campaign has been talking about this for weeks."

For Sebelius, the immigration spot and an economic development ad represent her first foray of the campaign on radio. They are running statewide.

Sebelius has blanketed the airwaves with five television ads this summer on school funding, the budget, economic development and leadership.

Woods declined to say when Barnett would start running advertisements on television or radio.

Barnett won the GOP primary on Aug. 1, having been the only candidate with television ads. But since then he has not had any.

Beatty said Barnett needed to appear on TV soon simply to introduce himself to voters.

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19 September 2006
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bankboy119 (Anonymous) says…

It doesn't matter if these people have “taken steps” to become legal or not. They aren't legal and it is a slap in the face to the rest of Americans who have to pay full out of state tutition that some one who shouldn't be in the country anyways gets to go for less than they do.
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middleoftheroader (Anonymous) says…

maybe if KU and the cities bus systems merge and if she happens to lose in her reelection bid she can move to lawrence and work for the bus system driving many of those illegal immigrant children to school. she seemed very happy to be behind the wheel of that school bus in the commercial
19 September 2006
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xenophonschild (Anonymous) says…

Kathleen is doing a fine job, and will be reelected in a landslide.

You conservatives need to sip a Leinenkugel, put on Traffic's “40,000 Headmen” and chill out.
19 September 2006
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middleoftheroader (Anonymous) says…

xeno i hope you didnt just lump me in the category of conservative but ill take a Leinenkugel anyway… if youre buying :)
19 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

If she keeps spinning like that she's gunna get dizzy and fall over….
19 September 2006
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Sacerdotal (Anonymous) says…

Allowing kids who, through no fault of their own, were brought here or were born here, to pursue their education does no harm; everyone take a deep breath. I am distressed by the covert racism in these conversations. Which race would the teacher decide was not worthy of an education? Also, if “conservatives” really want to seal the borders, let's talk about how much tax revenue it will take to do so. Putting the Iraq invasion and other big items on the US's credit cards is not conservative, it's madness.
19 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

You are right Sac. But… We spend thousands of $$ to modify our curriculum to give FREE education to kids who don't speak english.

I'm all for going on to college, but why? why? give out-of-state, non citizins a deal on the tuition? Mexico is not a county in Kansas.

Let them pay what every other out-of-state student would pay.

19 September 2006
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Esq2eB (Anonymous) says…

I agree with breath, I am pretty sure Missourians should have to pay the same as Mexicans. No racism or hatred. Just plain common sense. Why give financial breaks to illegal aliens, but not to someone who came over the state border legally? I fail to see the reasoning, probably because there is none.
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

Much like bankboy119, when faced with a billon dollar budget deficit, underfunded schools, a dwindling economy, and a health care crisis, many members of the wacko-wing of the GOP would rather Sebelius have focused on Mexicans, gays, and abortion as a means of distracting no-nothing voters from issues that would actually make a difference to the average Kansan.

The total dishonesty of Barnett is made transparent by the fact that his running mate - a card-carrying member of the wacko-wing and a kook to boot - voted for the measure Barnett wants to pin on Sebelius.

I'll start worrying about how I can subsidize Missouri kids at KU when Missouri starts worrying about paying the Kansas kids' way in Columbia - a/k/a, when hell freezes over. Until then, if the State wants to lower tuition for a dozen kids who have been in Kansas for years and will remain one way or the other, that's fine by me. Who knows but maybe one of those kids will someday be Governor themselves.
19 September 2006
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Shardwurm (Anonymous) says…

I'm a conservative and believe Sebilius is best for the job though I don't approve of everything she's done (or takes credit for doing.)

I don't care if a child - through no fault of his own - is born here illegaly. Many of us pay for what our parents did (or do.) Why should they be the exception?
19 September 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Believe it or not, I have to agree that by allowing these kids cheap or free access to our schools, it sets a bad precedent.

Anyone who's had children knows that you want more for your children than you ever had… you want them to have a better life than you… and you'll do damn near anything to make that happen.

That's why so many parents and/or expectant mothers sneak into the USA… with children either walking beside them, or curled up *inside* them.

These are simply benefits put out for “anchor babies,” nothing more.

I could, however, support this measure with a couple of modifications:

1) Parents and their employers reimburse the federal government for all the back taxes they've slipped out on while living and working “off the grid.”

2) All family members “go to the back of the line,” so to speak, and file for legal citizenship with the right paperwork, procedures and fees.

This needs to apply to *all* illegal immigrants, not just the overwhelming majority from Mexico.

Anything less is just asking for trouble.

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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

BTW, while I don't agree with everything Sebelius has done, she's done more good for Kansas than Barnett ever has, or ever will.

I will not put religious extremists (“TaliBaptists”) in the statehouse; I'll be voting for Sebelius. Again.

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19 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

Posted by Jamesaust (anonymous) on September 19, 2006 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll start worrying about how I can subsidize Missouri kids at KU when Missouri starts worrying about paying the Kansas kids' way in Columbia
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And what does Mexico offer to our kids besides kick ass drugs and cheap prostitues on spring break??
19 September 2006
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

I was planning on voting for K.S. She's not nearly as bad as the alternative. But with each stupid ad she runs, my vote for her looks more and more doubtful, and others have told me the same thing. Her taking full credit for the outcome in the school case is simply ridiculous to anyone who knows anything about the case and how the system works and worked (and there is not one dark face on that bus…what is it - a bus from 1950???). State law is trumped by federal law when it comes to immigration issues. So again, she's grandstanding hoping that the voters are too dumb to notice it. Who ever is in charge of her ad campaign needs to be fired, and someone with a grasp of reality hired instead! Those ads are losing her votes!
19 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

When I saw the bus ad, my first thought was … gee is her navagational skills the reason Durham had such trouble getting kids to and from school? Was she responsible for all those poor kids that were , never picked up, dropped off in the middle of nowhere or forced to ride for hours till they could find a place to let them off.

Maybe she was the driver that was caught at the liquor store, in the bus at 10 am on a school. day,.

19 September 2006
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

If I remember right, her ad regarding the fence boasted about how our Ks National Guard put up 2000 ft. in record time. It amused me because I was thinking - no surprize, a bunch of Ks farm boys oughta be experts at stringin' barb wire.
19 September 2006
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pilch (Anonymous) says…

She is so full of feces. Stop illegal immigration but give the in state tuition.
19 September 2006
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hammysammy (Anonymous) says…

Once again everybody is getting their panties in a bunch over a mere 19 students in the entire state who benefit from in state tuition. Only 4 of whom are at universities, the rest at community colleges. It really isn't a big deal, just another thing for people to get worked up over for no reason.
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badger (Anonymous) says…

I can't vote for Kathleen Sebelius.

I have to save my vote for Kinky.

However, if I weren't voting Kinky, I'd absentee vote in Kansas just to support Governor Sebelius. I think she's done an admirable job. My only sadness is that if she wins the 2006 Governor's race, she might not be considered as a VP option in 2008. If we're putting a woman on the ticket, Governor Sebelius would be a much better choice than that Clinton harpy.
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

Posted by americorps (anonymous) on September 19, 2006 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it never ceases to amaze me how many of you would, without flinching, toss a child to the streets because of the crimes of his parents.

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You're right. Look at all the poor kids put in foster care because thier parents are put in jail for dealing drugs or robbing liquor stores? I say if you have kids, you should be able to do what ever you like and not face any concequences. That should really cut down on the number of women who chose to toss their unborn babies in the trash. They'd be like a get out of jail free card.
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EXks (Anonymous) says…

Memo to a few of you…the next time you drive thru a Burger King and order your burger with lettuce, onions, and tomatoes or buying apples to make your apple pie, or ordering your steak…. you should remember that it was those illegals who picked your fruit and vegetables, working at the meat packing plant, probably at less than minimum wage, 10 hours a day, with no health care or benefits.

Your anger and blame should focus on American businesses who break the law and hire the illegals!
19 September 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXks, ROCK ON!!

Historically, government—both Democrat-controlled and Republican-controlled—has turned a blind eye towards the businesses that continually lower the standards for our work force.

I find it disquieting that “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” will gleefully subject newcomers to “less than minimum wage, 10 hours a day, with no health care or benefits”… under the guise of, “that's what the market demands” or “that's how/why we have such cheap goods.”

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badger (Anonymous) says…

Pretty much, EXks. It's really the companies who exploit the heck out of the illegals that bug me the most. Sure, I don't particularly want to enable people who broke the law to keep doing it, but if the companies wouldn't play dirty pool to hire the cheap illegal labor then the illegal immigrants wouldn't have the incentive they do to come here.

If INS would crack down on companies who don't worry about documentation, and make it less lucrative for those companies to evade the law (with pickups, shutdowns, or truly punitive fines), I think the problem would be a lot less serious.

19 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

It is NOT the “19 students”. IF it were, wouldn't it make sense to spend that money on a poor KANSAN than an illegal alien??

MEXICO and other countries need to start paying for their citizens. US is not the bad guy here. no other country would allow this crap to occur, MEXICO and all the other countries that “dump” their poverty on the United States, does not have any reprocity in immigration laws.

We treat the illegals better than they deserve. As for the idiot talking about the apples and lettuce and yada yada, those prices would go up MAYBE 10 cents a pound MAXimun, source, why the USDA of course.

I have a problem with illegals because they have no respect for any laws. 20% of the fatality accidents are non licensed drivers. The majority….illegal aliens driving without license, insurance, etc. With out any training or drivers ed courses, that citizens must take!! Illegal aliens are immune from the rules and laws? Having a problem with that is “racist”????

According to the PEW Hispanic research center 13 American citizens are killed by car accident by an illegal alien driver everyday!! 12 american citizens are murdered by an illegal alien everyday!!

My anger an blame is on the illegal aliens, those that employ them,. those that pander for their vote, politicians that pay lip service to the illegal alien problem, and those that champion the illegal immigrantion cause.

Furthermore, as for “family” values from our south of the border countries: 50% are out of wedlock births. Most of these women are coming acorss the line for one reason only….anchor babies!!

Then the illegal aliens have the audicity of calling American citizens that want the border controled “racist”, whil the “La Raza” is just perfectly fine with calling us “gringos”. I find that term offensive.

www.wehategringos.com

http://www.cis.org/

http://www.immigrationreform.org/

http://www.numbersusa.com/index

http://www.idexer.com/

Those of you that igonrantly support illegal immigration and the “opath to citicenship, need to educate yourselves on just what the numbers really are, and the camage that your kids will have to live with.
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“realize that in the EU—a region comprised of countries with some of the bloodiest rivalries in the history of the world—has open borders.”

Do you realize the the EU is starting to shut down the borders. Sweden just went moderate…on the basis of illegal immigration, France is joining the anti immigration bandwagon.

They all finally got the message that these countries are are finding it cheaper and better to “esport their poverty”.
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

Posted by logicsound04 (anonymous) on September 19, 2006 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This entire country is so xenophobic and elitist. Do any of you that are outraged by the illegal immigration “problem” realize that in the EU—a region comprised of countries with some of the bloodiest rivalries in the history of the world—has open borders.
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are those the countries that we read about every day in the paper? the ones that have flaming churches, rampant kidnappings and exploding busses and wedding parties.

Yeah, I'd like to go ahead and avoid that here in America as much as possible, call me elitist!
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EXks (Anonymous) says…

Calm down Asbestos, you're hyperventilating!
19 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“logicsound04”

“Just because we are not all ethnocentric does not make us ignorant.”

Just because some of us want laws complied with and require guests to register and ask permission to come into our wonderful country does not make us “ethrocentric”, “ignorant” or “racists”.

Additinally, illegal aliens “demanding rights and citzenship” from OUR country when their home country ignores their rights, is ignorant, audaiciou< and extremely RUDE!

No non citizen or illegal has any legal claim in this country whatsoever, and no other country on the face of the earth allows that kind of crap either!!!!!!

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“No. I don't believe any of the countries to which you refer are in the EU.”

you mean like France when they were burning all the cars and protesting…they don't belong to the EU???, or Budapest, Hungary, aren' they part of the EU??? Both of these events are economic based, and tied to illegal immigrants in their countries.

As I said the American People need to wake up and start defending and promoting their country. That is not done by debasing our citizenship by allowing anyone in.
19 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

these are the countries listed on economywatch.com as EU countries….
Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom.

Denmark practically exploded recently because of intolerant muslim immigrants. France, Italy, Spain has all been hit with violence.
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

“no other country on the face of the earth allows ….”

Enough of the George-Bush-thinking, where our standards need only match others' standards.

Ain't it great to know that the U.S. is still a better country at least on one issue? America - beacon of opportunity to the world!

“Just because some of us want laws complied with and require guests to register and ask permission to come into our wonderful country does not make us “ethrocentric”, “ignorant” or “racists”.”

Oh yes it does, if the only “guests” you complain about are dark-skinned. Well into the 1980s, one of the largest populations of undocumented workers in the U.S. were Irish. [One family's plight recently chronicled in the movie “In America”]
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298845/
Where was the anti - “illegal” Irish immigrant movement 30 years ago? Never a peep about them.

They're not “guests” but rather immigrants. They comply with the law about as accurately as your ancestors did, which is to say when it suits their purpose. If you want greater adherence to laws then re-write the laws. You can't starve the nation of “legal” immigrants and then gasp in horror when there are “illegal” ones.

[btw - what's ethrocentric?]
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Effective immigration policy is really not that difficult:

1. Begin and maintain an extensive database of all non-citizens within our borders. Whether they're here for school, work, a vacation to the Grand Canyon, Uncle Jethro's gall bladder surgery. Any and all.

2. Relocate the Berlin Wall to the Rio Grande Valley. Extend it from Brownsville, Texas, all the way to the Pacific Ocean. Armed guard houses, razor wire, the works. May have to shoot a few trespassers before folks get the message, but that's the way it has to be. And realize that eventually, we may have to do the same thing up north, along the Canadian border, too.

3. Any and all non-US citizens that have no good reason for being here get a free bus ride to the border of their choice, or they can buy their own plane ticket.

4. Deport any and all non-US citizens from any and all countries connected to terrorism in any way—including Saudi Arabia.

5. To show that we have a fair and balanced system, streamline the process on the other side of the coin: Make “the proper channels” a little bit quicker and a little bit easier for law-abiding people who want to come here to learn, work, visit… or become permanent U.S. citizens.

It's not rocket science, folks, and it will be expensive. All the more reason to cut wasteful spending on ineffective programs that only do half the job, halfway.

A couple of things worth reading:

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/uscir/02249…

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/uscir/03299…

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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“Oh yes it does, if the only “guests” you complain about are dark-skinned.”

Maybe to you, but I am not judging a person by their skin color, I am judging them by entering our country illegally, i don't care about their color of their skin….even if you do. I think that makes you a racists, because YOU do make the judgement on skin color….I do not. I am also complaining of ALLL colors and cultures of illegal immigrants.

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“They're not “guests” but rather immigrants.”

I am not talking about legal visitors or immigrants, which YOU seem to not get. I am talking about “illegal aliens”, and illegal immigrants” which are NOT migrants. They need to go home.

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“Enough of the George-Bush-thinking, where our standards need only match others' standards.”

Unh, James…Geroge Bush wants what YOU wnat, not what I want. You lashed out in “I hat Bush and Republicans” so quick that you forgot on this issue your and the boy GEORGE agree. You are even incosistent in that. what a hoot!!!!

As I stated, YOU need to educate yourself on what it is actually happening here.
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

VERY Good Agnostick!
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ksmoderate (Anonymous) says…

Excellent point on your #5, Agnostick. If the immigration/visa/visitation processes were 90% less convoluted, the people serious about spending time here would actually succeed in a legal way, and so would we.
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

LOgicv, you simply are mislabled:

“You are also incorrect to say that illegal immigrants are not migrants—if they are leaving their country in order to better their situation they are, by definition, a migrant.”

NO the LEGAL definition is illegal alien. They have not filled the legal requirements to *migrate*.

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“What no one here seems to understand is that as long as Mexico is dirt-poor and the U.S. is prosperous, there will be illegal immigrants, and our economy will support them “unofficially” better than the Mexican economy.”

what you do not understand is that Mexico is a mess as well as the other latin American counties, South American Countries, Etc ad naseaum, because of corruption and greed winthin their own country. They do this to their own people. Why would we be called the *racists*??

NOW we send those countries LOTS of money in aid, cahrity, etc, ant they just ripp us off. YOu can' t cure that situation by letting them come here. All that does is encourage the “source country” to continue on. That is a bad precedent and a self fulfilling failure. Which is where we are today.

I would like to link foriegn aid, and all the other money to those countries to how well they clamp down on ther outflow of their population.

There is something dearly wrong when YOU champion the cause of MExico that has chases or exported one quarter of their country here. We should send a large bill to Mexico to take care ot their citizens.

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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“Claiming you don't “see” skin color is a lame way of claiming you aren't prejudiced even though your actions say otherwise.”

Blather on clueless one. You lable me a *racist* and you do not even know me. You lable me *racist* just because I want laws followed You call me *racist* because I want control of whom comes into our country?

Dude, look at the polls, 90% of the country agrees with my point.

1. Secure the border.
2. Stop all illegal immigration.
3. Tie all aid to other countries based on theri committment to immigration laws that are at least as stringent as their own.
4. Take care of OUR poor and destiture FIRST. Aid to Americans and benefits to Americans first.
5. Start a dialouge on what we want our immigration policy as a country.

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“Can you honestly say that you would have cried and whined with the same voracity had you lived when illegal Irish immigrants were prevalent?”

Apples and oranges. I just love it when a illegal immigrant supporter brings this up! Those *Irish* HAD to come through an entry port, namely Ellis Island. There were at least *registered*. Additionally, LOTS of those *Irish* (you seem a little racists toward Irish) were sent back because they had a disease, weren't tall enough, didn't look right, etc. There was a pretty sever rejection policy and scrutiny of incoming people back them. It was not like the southern border, and not near the numbers. We are talkin 20 million illegals here. Back then, MAYBE a half million, maybe.
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

Posted by logicsound04 (anonymous) on September 19, 2006 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What no one here seems to understand is that as long as Mexico is dirt-poor and the U.S. is prosperous, there will be illegal immigrants
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Well ConMan, our US Senate is full of the same type of *politicians* on this issue. They are predominately members of the elephant party. However, the house rebublicans (as well as some Moderate democrats) really have the ear to the ground, and are not buying this illegal immigration crapola.

I am pretty sure that almost every house member regardless of party, was told by their constituency to put illegal immigration on the fire and get it cleaned up.

We are seeing in the construction industry and the asbestos removal industry in this state and many others a mass exodus of illegal workers. So it is working.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

Hmmmm…I can't seem to find an article on the LJWorld that talks about yesterday's Naturalization Ceremony at the Dole Center. It appears that the LJWorld only wants to focus on the immigrants who jump fences and choose to ignore the laws. I saw the 5-second spot on Ch. 6 news yesterday. Way to go! Great way to cover immigration! .

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davisnin (Anonymous) says…

Almost all the fruit can be picked by machines or WOULD be picked by legal citizens. The illegals drive down the wage!
Instead of protesting for rights here they should rise up against their own corrupt government institutions.
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ljreader (Anonymous) says…

So, let me understand. Sebelius wants to secure the border, but for those who manage to slip in, reward their illegal behavior with perks like in-state tuition. It makes no sense. Sebelius is a flip flopper.
So what, if it's only 19 illegals in Kansas getting the priviledge not extended to legal American citizens who happen to be from another state?- (wherever that number came from). At what number does this become wrong?
I guess if you want to send your kid to KU, but live in Missouri, you'd be better off to go to Mexico and sneak back in.
I have to wonder if the story I heard tonight about Hillcrest Elementary ” bursting at the seams” has anything to do with the fact that Hillcrest is the main ESL school in this district.
It seems odd that the census numbers indicate that Lawrence is shrinking, yet Hillcrest school cannot handle it's rapidly increasing population of students. Of course, taxpayers will be asked to correct this problem of overcrowding by throwing money at it.
I'd like to know just how much of this growth is due to ESL students, and how many of those children attending Hillcrest School are children of illegal immigrants. Maybe the ESL program has little to do with the overcrowding, but it would be nice to know since we will be expected to pay for it.
19 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

How much is spent in this state on ESL schools for children of illegal immigrants? LOTS! Here is a link to the South East Ed. Service Center. I know there are a lot of bucks going into this program. How much of that education money for Kansas Children are diverted away to educate illegal immigrants? Check it out!

http://www.greenbush.org/MigrantEduca…

Their main site:

http://www.greenbush.org/

and their history. They are classified an “Interlocal 609” what ever that is and have 600 staff members!! Serving how many schools????

http://www.greenbush.org/greenbushhis…

THis needs to be checked out. How much of our childrens educational dollars are robbed theough this.
19 September 2006
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dizzy_from_your_spin (Anonymous) says…

Through her continuous stream of puff ads, I can't figure out whether Sebelius is delusional or whether she knows her supporters are an easily duped bunch.
19 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

the answer dizzy is…. yes!
20 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Logic you just exposed your lack of understanding. You used a Webster's dictionary definition.

I am using an Immigration and Customs legal definition, which is defined exactly for this discussions purpose. OR in another way, you used a “generic” term, and I chose an accurate sophisticated term, that was exactly correct for the situation.

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What a yahoo!

” I agree that many Latin and South American governments are corrupt and abusive, but their actions are irrelevant when assessing YOUR point of view.”

That is the heart of the matter! It is the SOURCE.

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“I will admit that racist implys that you have some sort of disaffinity for Hispanic people, when everything you have argued is related to economy, safety, and politics.”

Well then it is NOT racist so quit calling me that. SO my judgement is MADE on Economy, safety, and politics….just where is “race” in those drivers? You are just saying that You think I am racist because it is the only argument you have, and it is as incorrect as your definition of “migrant” for the purposes of the law and this situation.

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We have been trying to dig Mexico and the rest of the Latin American countries out of the hole, the leader just reamain corrupt, as if it is a “cultural directive” of their very governing process.

“Why are American poor the only ones worthy of our help when we have the largest economy in the world and the ability to help is well within our reach?”

Because every AMerican we pull out of poverty will probablyu help someone else. Every illegal alien is only here for themselves or their immediate family. There is no “big picture” with these illegals. Besides, More American Taxpayers, there is more money for helping. Other countries that are dumping their poor aren't concerned, and need to pay for their wrongs.

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“You asked why you are considered THE racists, as if only you or Mexicans can be considered such. ”

Mexico is where the bulk of illegal aliens come from, that is not racist it is “geographically aware”. By your very own wierd reasoning you are racist toward the Irish.

Stop with the race card, and get some education on what the economics of unbridled iillegal immigration is going to cost. Look at what it is already doing to the inner cities.

Additinally, by supporting illegal immigrants from Mexico YOU are racists, you deny AMerican poor whor are disporportionately African American (the Majority is white however) benefits of our civilization. The table should be set for them. The Democratic party and liberals in general need to consult with the Black leaders about thise one.

ALready hispanics outnumber the African Amerricans in WIchita schools. I personally want the American Citizen taken care fo first regardless of their race, simply because they are americans!@!!!!!
20 September 2006
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Sacerdotal (Anonymous) says…

Dude, look at the polls, 90% of the country agrees with my point.

1. Secure the border.
2. Stop all illegal immigration.
3. Tie all aid to other countries based on theri committment to immigration laws that are at least as stringent as their own.
4. Take care of OUR poor and destiture FIRST. Aid to Americans and benefits to Americans first.
5. Start a dialouge on what we want our immigration policy as a country.
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Could be; get 90% of the population to describe how to pay for what you describe and I'll come around to your way of thinking. BTW: Credit cards (AKA Republican fiscal 'planning') do not count.
20 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

So did illegal immigrant cause the subpar response to Katrina? I'm sure if there were no illegal immigrants, the levies in the 9th Ward would have been properly maintained as well…
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no but they did suck up thier unfair share of the recovery money. Money that could have gone to a legal american has to be spent on those that live there illegally.

20 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

and appearantly anyone with in our borders is entitled to free education, free health care, drivers licenses etc…. that's the problem …
20 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Logic you talk about my logic, what about YOURS???

“Jesus, it is so hard to respond to you because your logic is incomplete and sporadic.

At any rate, my earlier comment must now be recinded, as you have made several comments that are racist (note that I am not saying you are a racist—as you pointed out earlier, ”

YOu are saying I am a racist but my words are racist. WHAT???

As for the issue of “illegal immigrants (aliens), I don't make the distinction that all illegals are Latino, you did that. i want all illegal aliens white, black, whatever, to be held accountable, if that includes hispanics, so be it. Should they get better treatment because they are latino? Isn't that discrimination? Isn't that racist?

YOu are taking the position that all are Mexican, majority maybe , but not all.

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“-this comment is racist because again, you imply that America would have fixed the problem by now, but for those corrupt latinos”

No it is not, we sent the money and changed policies, all the other issues wer on their side of the execution of the policy. They blew it.

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“American economic problems are the result of the illegal immigrants, eh?”

A lot of our porblems DO come from this. They are requiring services for which they did not pay.

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“So did illegal immigrant cause the subpar response to Katrina? I'm sure if there were no illegal immigrants, the levies in the 9th Ward would have been properly maintained as well…”

so stupid and irrelevant it deserves no response, other to illustrate your inability to stay on topic, and nor fly off into irrelevence when you start loosing the argument.

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“The suggestion that anyone *is a racist* who views two PEOPLE as deserving of equal treatment regardless of that person's nation of origin is laughable.”

Then why are you arguing to make that point to support illegal aliens??

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“First of all, anyone affected by Katrina within our borders is entitled to compensation for their losses—a natural disaster does not see borders.”

Incorrect, we are not paying for recovery in the 2 hurricanes that just hit Baja California. OUr tax money is NOT to pay for some other nations problems.

Second, He is talking about the illegal alien employees that went running down there to swipe the jobs and drive the residents of NO out and drive down wages so the NO residents cannot compete.

Try and argue that one and stay within the Democratic National Party requirements for supporting a minority ie African Americans, which is what NO is. Bush got a lot of grief on this…You deserve the same with your anti-african American policies and opinions.
20 September 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

dizzy spins:

“Through her continuous stream of puff ads, I can't figure out whether Sebelius is delusional or whether she knows her supporters are an easily duped bunch.”
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53% of Kansas' active, registered voters are “easily duped?” That's more than half…

Why do you bother staying here? What will you do to save those 53%? Do you have something better to offer?

Enquiring minds want to know…

Agnostick
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

“non-Americans” is independent of race, wqhat you are looking for is “nationalism”> YOU are making an assumption that the race here is WHite in the US, and illegals are hispanic. not my argument, by a long stretch.

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“In fact, I believe it was YOU who first referred to the general category of Central/South American governments.”

again that is national ism, not racism!

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“In fact, they pay income tax—albeit not very much because of claiming exempt—and it goes into the system but cannot be retreived because of using fake SSN.”

lol what a loon!! so committing a crime (usning fake SSN) is an excuse to give them a break!?!?!? lol whooo! Same for the “Exempt” thing. They should be paying in. They use the highway, water, sewer, and get benefit of POLICE protection. They also get free medical for emergency services, you and I have to fund additional out of our pocket or out of our insurance.

What a LOON!!
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“Then why are you arguing to make that point to support illegal aliens??”]

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Because illegal aliens are people. Therefore deserving equal treatment. Why are you having so much trouble follwing clear and reasoned points?}}}

YOu do not even realise that you have made a “full circle orbit” around this argument, using circular logic, and you got caught up in your own words.

Of course PEople are people, but why is the US the only country required to recognise their Human rights and demanded that we do so, while their own countries treat them like crap. additionally, why in the hell are they waving their countries flags when they want citizenship here????????
20 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

More from the Hous of Reps.:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Immigration

No voting unless you can produce proof of citizenship. What a great idea.

As for how great some illegals are:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933…
20 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

annex mexico!
20 September 2006
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ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says…

Who wants that corrupt place? Well, I would like to annex Cabo San Lucas, Acapulco Porte Varte, and other areas like it.

Then we would not need a visa or a passport to go there,(*even thouh we are supposed to let them into the US and not ask questions about it according to LOGIC)
21 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

I didn't say that only smart people deserved equal treatment.

That's probably a good thing for you!!!

21 September 2006
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ljreader (Anonymous) says…

There's only one commercial I hate worse than the Sebelius ads- Head On. Apply directly to the forehead.Head On apply directly to the forehead.etc etc etc etc. That commercial gives me a headache, but I absolutely refuse to purchase HeadOn for relief.
22 September 2006
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as_I_live_and_breathe (Anonymous) says…

Two women were arrested today in Topeka for seatbelt violations. The nine kids in the car were not wearing seat belts.

In their defence, the car only had 6 seatbelts total and there wasn't even one available for the child that was riding in the trunk.

8 of the kids belonged to the two women. They were babysitting for one.

Any guesses as the ethincity of the womens names?

Shall we start a pool on whether or not they have a KDL?