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Texan works to impeach president

Man says reaction is generally positive, despite recent threat

September 15, 2006

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Since he arrived in Lawrence a week ago to collect signatures from people who would like to see President Bush impeached, Jim Goodnow has received a mostly positive or at least tolerant response.

"There have been 15 peace signs for every one-fingered salute," Goodnow, 67, said Thursday as he sat at tables filled with petition lists in South Park.

Goodnow has been with his bus, which he calls the Yellow Rose, during most of his stay in Lawrence. The old bus has anti-war slogans and other signs painted on it, and Goodnow has been driving for most of the past year across the country as part of a grass-roots effort to gauge support for a Bush impeachment. In July, Goodnow, and others like him calling themselves the Committee to Impeach President Bush, started collecting petitions.

Goodnow did the same thing 33 years ago in an effort to get Congress to impeach President Nixon because of the Watergate scandal. Nixon ended up resigning instead of facing impeachment.

"I never thought I'd be doing this again," said Goodnow, of Terlingua, Texas. "Bush makes Nixon look like a Boy Scout."

Jim Goodnow, of Terlingua, Texas, stands in front of his silverstreak bus Thursday in South Park. Goodnow is traveling the country collecting signatures to impeach President Bush.

Jim Goodnow, of Terlingua, Texas, stands in front of his silverstreak bus Thursday in South Park. Goodnow is traveling the country collecting signatures to impeach President Bush.

Bush should be impeached because of "lies and deceptions" in taking the United States to war in Iraq, Goodnow said. He also says that the Bush administration is breaking the law with its domestic surveillance activities.

Goodnow said he's collected several thousand signatures during his travels the past few months and others like him have collected thousands more. Those petitions will eventually be collected and turned over to Congress, he said. It's a way to make sure Congress knows how upset the country is, Goodnow said.

"The people are fed up," he said.

But some don't particularly care for Goodnow's cause.

About 9:30 p.m. Wednesday near Ninth and Vermont streets, a man in a late model car stopped and issued a threat, Goodnow said. The man called him a derogatory name and directed him to get out of town in 30 minutes or face "serious consequences." The man was possibly in his 50s, dressed in a sports shirt and wore glasses, Goodnow said.

Goodnow called Lawrence Police. Although no details about the incident were available Thursday afternoon, a police spokeswoman did confirm that officers responded to a threat call in that area.

The incident angered Deb Rowden, a Lawrence woman who talked to Goodnow Thursday morning at Wheatfield's Bakery, 904 Vt.

"At first I was scared; then when I was driving home I got mad," Rowden said. "I don't appreciate that someone was threatened."

Comments

as_I_live_and_breathe 7 years, 7 months ago

Agnostick said:

Nice dance, btw. Didn't go anywhere, but it was good for a chuckle. ;)


thank you, that's my job

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badger 7 years, 7 months ago

sigh

Sadly, lying to the American people isn't an impeachable offense unless it occurs in the form of perjury. Depending on how the warrantless wiretapping plays out with regard to the legality of that program, that may have been an impeachable offense (violation of FISA regs to make an end run around the Judicial Branch is arguably a crime against the state).

What say we cool it with grass roots petitions for impeachment, which are only political stunts anyway, and start grass roots petitions for deeper investigations into the FISA concerns, deeper investigations into the extent to which the US was involved in the torture of prisoners under its care, and deeper investigations into how certain companies managed to garner no-competition contracts for rebuilding in Iraq and then gouge the ($# out of the country when it came time to collect their fees?

If he did something illegal, then stop mucking around with splashy impeachment demands that can't yet go anywhere, and set about building the case against the things he's done. Find a law he clearly broke, find the evidence that supports it, get a Congressional investigation rolling, and do the thing right with dotted i's and crossed t's.

Thing is, you can't just go around impeaching a President because you wish you hadn't elected him. Let the Bush Presidency be a lesson to every sane moderate and liberal, that showing up to vote is not enough. Fund candidates you agree with, lobby for electoral college and election reform, write your elected representatives and your local news. Get educated about national and world affairs so some slick sound-biter can't whip you and yours up into a tizzy with implied connections and vague threats. Be an election judge. Run for an office your own self.

Living under representative government involves a whole lot more than showing up every two or four years to vote and then screaming about impeachment when things aren't going your way. We can't just kick him out without firm and solid proof (like the kind where Congress finds you guilty of a crime, not the kind people put up on websites with lots of exclamation marks) that he's broken the law. At this point, we're getting the government we've earned through inaction and undereducation. And if we don't learn the lessons of the Bush Presidency, we'll be screaming to impeach the next guy when it turns out he's no prize either.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 7 months ago

"Just pointing out that we COULD have had OBL and the fact that we didn't take the oportunity cost us."

Clinton had the same opportunity to get bin Laden that Bush had-- namely a full-scale invasion of Afghanistan.

The difference being, the republicanic Congress was busy impeaching him over a BJ. They weren't about to let him launch such a full-scale invasion that would have interfered with the impeachment party, and he knew better than to ask.

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Agnostick 7 years, 7 months ago

"Because when our intellegence HAD the chance to get him, our commander in chief dropped his pants, I mean the ball."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0304/p01s03-wosc.html

Good point, as_I_live_and_breathe. Bush dropped the ball, and hasn't bothered to pick it up since then.

Nice dance, btw. Didn't go anywhere, but it was good for a chuckle. ;)

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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as_I_live_and_breathe 7 years, 7 months ago

lol JG that's your opinion. I disagree. I think G'dub is a lot smarter that most people give him credit for. I know, "he can't string together a coherant sentence....blahblahblah...."

Spouting pretty words isn't alway a sign of intellegence. I've seen some very stupid actors learn and deliver some powerful lines. (tom cruise anyone?) Bella Ligosi couldn't even speak english when he made dracula but damn he was convincing when he "bid you velcome"

Sometimes, baiting the enemy is what it take to get them to make a mistake..... that's all we need. that and for the press not to tip him off next time.

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Jersey_Girl 7 years, 7 months ago

GWB isn't bright enough to think he's "tweaking" OBL by stating he doesn't think about him much. And even if he were, I really don't think baiting the sociopath who planned and executed 9/11 is really such a great idea. And as for OBL living in cave not being much freedom, you really think his terrorist training camps are all held in Hilton penthouse suites? He lives in a world stuck in the Dark Ages. Living in a cave isn't much different and I'm sure he had his hideaway cave well stocked with whatever his evil little heart desired long before the Twin Towers fell.

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as_I_live_and_breathe 7 years, 7 months ago

Posted by Agnostick (anonymous) on September 16, 2006 at 11:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as_I_live_and_breathe:

Help me out with your "rules," here. I mean, fair is fair. The next time Al Qaeda pulls off a big terrorist attack someplace, does that mean we can all blame G.W. Bush? I mean, since he's pretty much ignored bin Laden since 9/11/01...

***Well, how about next time there is NOT an Al Qaeda attack in the US, we can blame Bush.

How do you KNOW he's ignored him. Do you live in his pocket? Oh I know, he SAID he didn't think about him but I think, and it's only my opinion and something I would do, I think he might have said that to poke ol OBL a little. Really don't you think that hearing something like that would tweek a egomaniacal freak like bin laden?


Is that how it works? Or is your rule just, "Blame Clinton for anything bad that happens between 1776 and 4776 A.D."...?? *I don't blame Clinton for every thing... I'm sure he had nothing to do with Katrina. After all that WAS a hurricane, not a 25 year old intern.....Just pointing out that we COULD have had OBL and the fact that we didn't take the oportunity cost us. Ruling a country is a cumulative process. I mean if Clinton didn't think the threat was all that important, why would Bush jump all over it? He'd a been slammed and called an idiot getting all worked up over nothing.

((((Here's another question for you... one that conservativeman, right_thinker, Arminius, and all the other extremists have dodged...

Journalist Jill Carroll was kidnapped in January of this year, by Muslim extremists; six or seven months later, a crack team of Marines captured the kidnappers. Carroll is free, back home alive.)))

*** is this a bad thing? Thankfully our military is well funded enough to do this.... thanks to ---- Clinton?

(((((Osama bin Laden helped orchestrate, finance and inspire the World Trade Center bombings on September 11, 2001. More than five years later, bin Laden is still free, and still inspiring terrorists with his regular videotape releases.))))

Bush swore to make bin Laden's capture a priority. Why is bin Laden still free?

*****Because when our intellegence HAD the chance to get him, our commander in chief dropped his pants, I mean the ball. OBL lives in a cave in a country that for some reason we can't go into. I don't understand that at all. But, that's not exactly FREE. And we are picking of the terrorists as fast as we can given the rules that we have to go by to make sure the rest of the world don't think we're being too mean to them.

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Jersey_Girl 7 years, 7 months ago

gphawk89 - the troops weren't withdrawn after Saddam was captured because a) that would make his main objective blatently clear b) by that point, Iraq was in too much turmoil thanks to the invasion and Dubbya's popularity would have plummetted even more and c) he wanted "democracy in Iraq" to be his legacy, not "the president who allowed 9/11 to happen". He's too freaking shallow to really care about the Iraqi people. He just cares about his image and his legacy.

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BigAl 7 years, 7 months ago

By the way, I'm NOT an Al Gore fan.

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BigAl 7 years, 7 months ago

Ha... you're welcome right_thinker.
And, with all due respect, I just figured you wanted to be reminded that Gore actually got more votes than Bush.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the laugh, BigAl, with all due respect (you're probably alot bigger than me).

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BigAl 7 years, 7 months ago

Actually, right_thinker, America didn't vote him in two times. The first time, America elected Al Gore with more votes.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 7 months ago

Throw the bum out! How did America ever manage to vote a total loser like GWB in office two times?

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gphawk89 7 years, 7 months ago

"he just wanted to get Sadam cuz Daddy failed"

OK, he got Saddam almost three years ago, right? If that's all he wanted, then why hasn't he pulled the troops out?

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Jersey_Girl 7 years, 7 months ago

I take us back to a time when another George Bush was in the White House and troops were sent into Iraq. There were many who were enlisted who did not want to go. I remember interview after interview of kids who enlisted b/c the GI bill was the only way for them to pay for college. Not everyone in the military is there because they want to fight. And yes, I do agree that when a person enlists, they should be aware that they are in fact joining the military and therefore may be called up to fight. But concidering that our country had not been at war for some 15 years and the cost of tuition is out of sight, its certainly understandable why someone who wants to go to college but can't afford it would enlist in a time of peace. Also, most of our soldiers are young and idealistic and maybe a bit naive about what exactly what they are signing up for when they enlist. Anyone who is happy to be over in Iraq is in serious need of a Section 8. They may be proud to fight for their country and Democracy, but I doubt many of them are happy to do it.

Oh, and to the subject of this article, I'm all for impeaching Bush. I have mixed feeling about the war in Iraq. I'm proud to live in a country that fights for and defends democracy and that is strong enough to come to the defense of country in need. But I think Bush has taken being a benevolent Big Brother who protects and defends to an Orwellian Big Brother. I think he lied about his reasons for invading Iraq. I think he just wanted to finish Daddy's unfinished business. He doesn't give a rat's ass about bring democracy to Iraq; he just wanted to get Sadam cuz Daddy failed. Right action, wrong reason. And his domestic surveillance activities are completely unConstitutional. If the Feds feel the need to eavesdrop, let them show evidence proving the need for it and get a warrant, just like the rest of law enforcement.

W=Worst President EVER

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gphawk89 7 years, 7 months ago

One-fingered salute from me, Goodnow. Go home.

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GardenMomma 7 years, 7 months ago

Couldn't be because the Bin Laden family and the Bush family are friends, now could it?????

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scenebooster 7 years, 7 months ago

"No but he did get @3000 killed in the WTC collapes because he was too preoccupied with said BJ to get OBL when he had the chance....."

What was Bush preoccupied with when he got the memo titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike within US"?

Or in the past five years?

Oh, that's right: Bush doesn't think about Bin Laden that often...

Your argument is BS...anyone growing tired of the "Clinton chose not to get Bin Laden" myth should read Peter Bergen's "The Osama Bin Laden I Know".

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Agnostick 7 years, 7 months ago

as_I_live_and_breathe:

Help me out with your "rules," here. I mean, fair is fair. The next time Al Qaeda pulls off a big terrorist attack someplace, does that mean we can all blame G.W. Bush? I mean, since he's pretty much ignored bin Laden since 9/11/01...

Is that how it works? Or is your rule just, "Blame Clinton for anything bad that happens between 1776 and 4776 A.D."...??

Here's another question for you... one that conservativeman, right_thinker, Arminius, and all the other extremists have dodged...

Journalist Jill Carroll was kidnapped in January of this year, by Muslim extremists; six or seven months later, a crack team of Marines captured the kidnappers. Carroll is free, back home alive.

Osama bin Laden helped orchestrate, finance and inspire the World Trade Center bombings on September 11, 2001. More than five years later, bin Laden is still free, and still inspiring terrorists with his regular videotape releases.

Bush swore to make bin Laden's capture a priority. Why is bin Laden still free?

Thanks

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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as_I_live_and_breathe 7 years, 7 months ago

Bill was very popular indeed, just ask any female intern under the age of 25....

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 7 months ago

Live and breathe---shame on you for bringing up the past---Clinton was a very popular president. Bill and Hillary represented the new America.

Nothing like a nice evening at home in your double-wide, enjoying a Stouffers lasagne buffet dinner and watching Americas Funniest Home Videos--and knowing your president is protecting your nation.

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as_I_live_and_breathe 7 years, 7 months ago

Posted by GermanJHawk (anonymous) on September 15, 2006 at 3:21 a.m. (Suggest removal) But last I checked the majority of Clintons lying got him a BJ not thousands of our boys killed


No but he did get @3000 killed in the WTC collapes because he was too preoccupied with said BJ to get OBL when he had the chance.....

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Agnostick 7 years, 7 months ago

More, because every lie must be met with a truth (not referring to you, logicsound)...

Am impeachment is like a trial, really. Formal charges are brought against the president. The Senate serves as the "jury," while the Chief Justice of SCOTUS serves as the "judge."

Here's a timeline for you:

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/allpoliti...

Two formal charges were brought against Clinton: "Perjury" and "Obstruction of Justice."

After arguments were made, the Senate went into deliberation.

A roll call vote was taken on whether or not the Senate's deliberations should be open to the public. Here are how each senator voted:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1...

On Friday, February 12, 1999, the Senators voted.

"PERJURY": 55-45, "Not Guilty" "OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE": 50-50 split

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1...

Here's how each individual Senator voted:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1...

Presumably, just like the rest of us, a president is Constitutionally protected from double jeopardy--he cannot be impeached for the same charges twice.

The final vote was taken on Friday, February 12, 1999--almost two full years before Clinton left office in January, 2001. If the Senate wanted to take another six months deliberating the charges, they were free to do so.

My point? Even if we went forward with impeachment of Bush, there's no guarantee that he would get thrown out of office. Impeachment isn't like being "fired" or "laid off" at the auto plant.

Impeachment would be a waste of time and money. A better solution for a Congress where Republicans are the minority? Drastically reduce funding to Iraq, and increase funding to efforts related to the capture of bin Landen.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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logicsound04 7 years, 7 months ago

For all of you that like to throw up the Clinton smokescreen whenever your beloved Bushie is under attack, here is a primer in Clinton's impeachment and Bush's impeachment:

Clinton violated the technical letter of the law. Specifically speaking, he lied under oath about his personal sex life.

Bush also violated the letter of the law--i.e., illegal domestic wiretapping.

Taken in tandem, those two points would suggest that both Presidents have committed impeachable offenses--one has been impeached, the other has not, oddly enough.

Here's where it gets tricky though:

The reason Clinton was not removed from office is because, while he violated the letter of the law, he did not violate the spirit in which the law was formed. He lied about something that should have nothing to do with his ability to be President, and so Congress felt that impeachment was punishment enough

Bush WOULD be removed if Congress would do the right thing and impeach him because in addition to violating the letter of the law, he violated the spirit of the law (no amount of terrorism justifies spying on your own citizens) and in an area that is pertinent to his reputation and trustworthiness as a leader.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 7 months ago

ckennedy:

William Jefferson Clinton, a.k.a., "Slick Wille", is a disbarred and disgraced lawyer, adulterer, a man convicted by congress of LYING to that body and cannot speak ENGLISH as he has difficulty with the definition of the word "is".

Bill KlinTon is a SCUMBUCKET who dosn't even know what "sechsul realtions" are.

"Doing good works" my patootie!

He is only "doing good works" to try to get the REAL MAN of the house BACK into the Oval Office!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 7 months ago

I think Rove is in full swing, the Republican senate opposition to W's desire to screw with the Geneva Convention can only come from the brain of Karl Rove.

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Hint: 2006

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 7 months ago

It seems to me the wish and effort by Dems and haters to impeach Bush can not be separated from the wishes and effort to defeat terrorism.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 7 months ago

I still say, like always, when the evidence is properly in place and he is convicted of (whatever) charge(s) by the haters and Democrats, impeach away! Have a blast!

I've been waiting for three years now....let's get a move on!

I'm tired of hearing about it all, let's get that petition going, hearings, the like and get 'r done!

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tell_it_like_it_is 7 years, 7 months ago

LOL. So much for everyone in Texas loving W. Where do I sign?

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conservativeman 7 years, 7 months ago

kansaskev61,

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Some people here will jump all over you for not agreeing with them. Your opinion is valued

Thanks Conservativeman

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oldgranny 7 years, 7 months ago

I'd sign faster than fast. But...only if we can impeach the VP at the same time. Otherwise we'd just be jumping out of the pot right into the frying pan.

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logicsound04 7 years, 7 months ago

Kansaskev61,

I am curious why you even felt it necessary to waste your noble and good ideas and words on our crappy chat stream. Guess that makes your post crap. Oh well, you probably won't read this anyway--enjoy the outside.

You are also a typical republican in that you criticize people for doing something while simultaneously engaging in the very thing you are criticizing them for doing.

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drewdun 7 years, 7 months ago

"Whoever is President won't really affect me"

So basically, why care then? Basically, if there's nothing in it for you, who gives a damn?

Typical Republican.

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kansaskev61 7 years, 7 months ago

So Bush gets impeached and Cheney runs the country for two years and then Hillary takes over. How is my life really gonna change one way or another? It won't! I'll still have to work, still have to pay my taxes (increased perhaps), pay my mortgage and my car payments and ultimitly die! Whoever is President won't really affect me. Only watching the liberal media and reading most of the crap in this chat stream will affect me. The only control I have is to turn off the tube, cancel the LJW subscription and unplug my computer. I think I'll go outside and breath some fresh air.

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davisnin 7 years, 7 months ago

Like Al Gore's private plane trips? Of course the environmental hypocrisy of the elite left is a whole other discussion, much like their tax records.

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drd343 7 years, 7 months ago

Whippersnappers, lol. Now that is funny!

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scenebooster 7 years, 7 months ago

"This guy driving all over the country in that clunker is killing the environment and driving up the cost of gas."

Does that apply to all those Expeditions and Escalades that our elected "leaders" drive all over the country, not to mention the private planes used by politicians and corporate folks...what Hummers, seen a few of those around town (driven by people with penis-size issues)....

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logicsound04 7 years, 7 months ago

At least Granny's screenname is fitting for someone who writes such senile crap...

By the way Granny, do you actually think saying this:

"Get inside the dam bus "Jim Goodwhen" and talk until your hearts content, I don't won't to hear it nor do I want see it and our troops don't either!!"

...makes any sense?

You literally just said, "he can have his freedom of speech, but only where I say he can", meaning he can't really have freedom of speech. Again with the senility.

YOU GO GET THOSE WHIPPERSNAPPERS!!! THEY'RE IN NEED OF A GOOD WHIPPING, BOY HOWDY!!

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drd343 7 years, 7 months ago

HEY GRANNY! We are going to have to change leaders if we really want to change anything for our soldiers. At least this "nut" from Texas is trying rather than sitting on his ass and waiting another two years. If you were truly concerned about our soldiers you would have voted to impeach Bush the same day it was obvious that he lied about the reasons for attacking another nation. Let's face it, Iraq had nothing to do with 911, and every day we stay there more hate for the US rises around the world. Open your eyes people. Or has this administration scared you to the point of stupid along with the other half of America? For god sakes the world compares us to Iran and N. Korea!

Forget Republican and Democrat. I'm an Independent, and if you knew me this would be clear to you. This has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with the world that we will leave behind for our children. Now tell me, after 6 years of Bush can you honestly say that our kids are safer?

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logicsound04 7 years, 7 months ago

Now the REAL REASONS that the Re-boob-licans impeached Clinton are becoming clear......

They decided that if they impeach Clinton on suspect motives that it would be all the more easier to cry foul when one of their leaders got caught gerrymandering or stealing elections. Now they can play the "enough of this wasting the legislature's time on impeachments" card.

Heck, its like Republicans allowing the first terrorist attack in over 50 years on U.S. soil then somehow trying to say that Democrats will allow a terrorist attack.

Some possible Re-boob-lican slogans:

"You should learn from OUR mistakes"

"We make the mistakes, you clean up the mess"

"Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on those other guys over there."

"All politicians lie--but it's only worthy of attention when it comes from the Democrats"

"We love America--so much that we'd rather destroy it than see it in the hands of our enemies"

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cellogrl 7 years, 7 months ago

I'm going to go try to track him down at South Park to sign the thing!

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cutny 7 years, 7 months ago

I say God Bless him, Peace and Right On!!! Is there an internet petition available?

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Esq2eB 7 years, 7 months ago

This guy driving all over the country in that clunker is killing the environment and driving up the cost of gas. He should impeach himself from his pointless position in life.

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my_black_lab_told_me_so 7 years, 7 months ago

How does this guy make ends meet?

I mean, that bus must be a serious gas hog!

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GermanJHawk 7 years, 7 months ago

No thousands of signatures do not show that but hummm maybe an approval rating the in the 30% range does.

Can, anyone, right or left of the line truthfully argue that this guy did not blatantly present fabricated information about an informant in Sudan who showed al qaeda links to iraq who was known to be untrustworthy, did not present information about weapons of mass destruction that was untrue, did not lie about foreign interrogation in violation of the geneva convention, did not break federal law with illegal wiretaps, did not suspend due process in gitmo. These are in the realm of proven fact. How as American's can we just pretend they did not happen?

I agree that we should not do tit for tat for the Clinton impeachment and the country as a hole will be better off without a public spectacle and instead have them spend time on, drum-roll, legislating! But at the same time how do we let violations of the law just slide by? In my mind what has been done is tantamount to watergate and has cost many more lives.

I love this country and I love its troops. And I love that they fight for the right of this texan to have a petition to sign. However I do not want them to die for a house of cards built on lies. Nor do I want them to die in a war that has no plan, no execution, and no chance of succeeding.

How this government did not see that a country arbitrarily drawn up in colonial times might break into sectarian violence when the one thing that united them, their hatred of saddam, was removed, is in my mind their biggest fax paux. If this is a nobel cause and is for democracy and not mainly for the other reasons I think it is for then why not send 200,000 more troops and complete the job. The average Iraqi has less hours of power, less job opportunities, less security, less access to public health, than they have ever had, wonder why they don't thank us for freeing them! Ungrateful louts! Thank god they are free!

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BlondeTiger 7 years, 7 months ago

I hope he doesn't take the threat seriously. He is excersising his right to free speech and everyone elses right. I hope he stays, I know I would.

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thare 7 years, 7 months ago

don't any of you have jobs?

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juliopac 7 years, 7 months ago

Rational,

One lesson we all learned (but not in Civics class): the voice of the people DOES NOT matter in this country, and you appear to be perfectly fine with that. I think you'd be better suited in say...Saudi Arabia, one of our closest and dearest allies.

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Rationalanimal 7 years, 7 months ago

Wow, a thousand signatures out of over 250 million Americans. Based on those figures, the statement "everyone is fed up with Bush" is obviously well supported in logic and math.

Lastly, the impeachment process is not a citizen gathering signatures process. Perhaps our friend missed those years of American Civ while filling his head with bong ressin.

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juliopac 7 years, 7 months ago

Very clever Bubarubu. I am one of those frustrated individuals who have yelled and yelled at my TV--to no avail.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 7 months ago

offtotheright says: "Go back to Texas you wacked out nut case!"

Some of us have been hollering this at our TVs and in the newspapers for almost six years. Hasn't done any damn good yet, Bush is still sitting there.

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juliopac 7 years, 7 months ago

What is it about conservatives that make them so eager to threaten violence against those who do not share their opinion? From the Dixie Chicks to this Goodnow guy...you're not safe if you speak out against this (ahem) president. What a bunch of HYPOCRITES!!!!!!

Hive Five going out to History Girl!

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drewdun 7 years, 7 months ago

Let's see:

Switch the topic to Clinton? Check (Very first post, too. I'm impressed)

Say that if you don't agree with Bush you're against the troops, and that dissent hurts morale? Check (BTW granny, I don't know if you saw this...

"U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006"

http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

Once again, when has reality ever stopped wingnuts from spewing ridiculous talking points?)

Physical threats of violence, at least in the article, to those who don't hew to the radical right? Check (I wonder if the gentleman who threatened this guy has ever been to Lawrence before...there's way more of us than there are of him and his fellow far-right zombies.)

Reading the comments on here is sufficient to expose exactly how bankrupt the modern right-wing, neo-fascist movement is.

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Staci Dark Simpson 7 years, 7 months ago

It is his right to speak, and what better place to come to Lawrence, county seat of one of the few Democratic counties in Kansas. I dare him to go out in front of Fort Leavenworth or Fort Riley. Opinions are like aholes, everyones got one. I just let his opinion go in one ear and out the other. Peace!

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tony88 7 years, 7 months ago

"Clinton made this country look like idiots for letting him stay in office...."

Actually, when i was abroad, most everybody i talked to said they liked Clinton, and they dislike Bush. They said electing Bush (not once, but twice) made our country look stupid.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 7 months ago

Hmmmmmm................

A Serial Impeacher.

Are there treatments avaiable?

Thanks.

Marion.

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kujeeper 7 years, 7 months ago

This loser should get a job and quit complaining. Clinton made this country look like idiots for letting him stay in office....

Personally when I saw the bus, I just figured the Dixie Chicks were in town to do a concert that no one would show up to.

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cellogrl 7 years, 7 months ago

Okay, I just finished reading, and I must say, I totally agree with everything ckennedy said. Right on man. (or woman)

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cellogrl 7 years, 7 months ago

Okay, Granny I feel a major need to respond to your comment. First of all, impeaching Bush simply says that we don't agree with him breaking the law. It does NOT in any way, shape, or form, say that we don't agree with soldiers following orders. It is not their fault that their commander in chief is an idiot. This just goes back to me objecting to people saying that we don't support the soldiers if we don't support the war. I have no problem with soldiers following thier orders. I just don't agree with their orders.

Secondly, just because you have not heard of any soldiers disagreeing with us being in Iraq does not mean that they don't exist. I personally know 2 soldiers or now former soldiers that TOTALLY disagree with us being in Iraq. They ARE out there. Draw from other experiences than your own to know that. I know that a lot of soldiers DO agree with the war, but not all do.

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americorps 7 years, 7 months ago

Granny;

If we do not allow dissenting opinion during war time to save the soldiers feelings, then what are we fighting for?

I think our brave and honorable military men and women can withstand the exercise of liberty..

and it may be a little startling to you, but for the first time in many years, the democrats are gaining support within the miltary ranks.

TO the first post; how often has then been said about you?

and 75 X 55;

Are you suggesting that the consequences of the lies should not be included in the response to politicians who lie? I hope you are not acting as though the lie about sexual misconduct has the same impact on american society as a lie to go to war? Sure, both are wrong and illegal, but only one costs thousands of american lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.

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75x55 7 years, 7 months ago

They open their mouth.

It's an old joke.

Like Robert C. Byrd.

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Agnostick 7 years, 7 months ago

75X55:

Please enlighten ckennedy, myself, and anyone else open to learning.

What do YOU think WE need to know about 'progressive grassroots movements' in America, with special attention on the last 50-60 years?

You've used your "mouth"; now, here's some "money." Let's see what happens. :)

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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Kontum1972 7 years, 7 months ago

u think the Admins having fun now...just wait until they bomb IRAN and really hack off the muslim world.....

did u see the Bush tell Matt Lauer on the TODAY show that the terrorist were coming to America to kill his family.....and he said it twice to him......now that was spooky and slightly deranged.....

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ksmoderate 7 years, 7 months ago

"How do you tell if a politician is lying?"

Well, for starters, if it is proven.

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Silence_Dogood 7 years, 7 months ago

Thank you, Jim Goodnow, for the service to your country. You are a true American, unlike the haters (granny, OTTR, etc.) posing as Americans on this board. God bless you!

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75x55 7 years, 7 months ago

Yes, let's impeach ALL politicians who've lied.

Then we can start again and pick all new ones. ALL of them, brand new.

How do you tell if a politician is lying?

ckennedy - if you don't know the recent history of 'progressive grassroots movements' in America [second half of 20th century], you won't understand what I wrote. Don't worry about it.

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blue73harley 7 years, 7 months ago

I might just have to hop on his bus if he is heading back to Terlingua...

http://www.abowlofred.com/

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christy kennedy 7 years, 7 months ago

75x55 "Follow the money"? Oh for God's sake. I donate to projects like this because it is the LACK OF honesty, integrity, and competence that we find so objectionable and out of place for "Leader of the Western World." It is a democracy, remember? The grassroot supporters of this kind of thing aren't some big centralized machine taking advantage of people. It'sa lot of like minded individuals banding together with a common goal. Yes there is some money on this side, but if you're paying attention, you'll notice that these folks are not in it for personal gain. They're helping others. "Follow the money . . ." Maybe you could explain this a little better?

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christy kennedy 7 years, 7 months ago

Marion, Honestly. If you can't understand the difference between what you hate Clinton so much for and what the Bush administration has done, you need to take a class that defines actions and consequences. Your Clinton-hating campaign is a little out of date, seeing as he's now doing good works around the world and your W is decimating the military, mocking the Constitution, wiping out the budget, ruining our relationships and reputation abroad . . . not to mention all the death and destruction. You said "nothing to see here . . . move on" etc. I would suggest that it is YOU who needs to move on. Open your eyes. Use your heart and brain and try to see what's going on in the world today. Bush has committed a bunch of impeachable offenses - and talk about lying? to Congress, to the American people, to people everywhere, consistently and repeatedly - and like others before me have said, the consequences are world wide and it will take generations to recover from this mess. A blow job, no matter how inappropriate and stupid, is not worthy of comparison.

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Confrontation 7 years, 7 months ago

"The man was possibly in his 50s, dressed in a sports shirt and wore glasses, Goodnow said."

Sounds like your typical "I'm better than you are" crowd in Lawrence. I bet he owns a big house, owns a housewife, and has his two kids and a dog. He's loving every minute of his rich-man tax cuts given to him by Dubya. Why would he respect someone else, especially if that person dislikes his Savior Dubya?

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Azure_Attitude 7 years, 7 months ago

I don't know who you have been talking to, granny, but I have spoken to MANY soldiers that have bee in Iraq that think it is a big mistake so you just go on ahead in your dillusional world. I should probably stop being amazed at the we-are-in-Iraq-fighting-for-our country horsecrap that people believe.

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75x55 7 years, 7 months ago

So, he's collected thousands of signatures.... and how many thousands of dollars to keep the ol' bus a-runnin'?

Just another 'grassrooter' that keeps the whole protest scene running, providing cheap manpower for the machine that's been manipulating these people for decades.

Follow the money....

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tony88 7 years, 7 months ago

Posted by granny (anonymous) on September 15, 2006 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I really hate for our soldiers to be reading this crap. Approve or disapprove, we are in a war - this jerk "in a bus" isn't going to change a dam thing. It is a disgrace to the soldiers fighting for you and me to see this going on in America. In my job I talk directly with service men everyday - it is awfully funny that since the war started I have not talked to "ONE" solider that doesn't feel we should be there. We should let our soliders vote to see if GW should stay or go, no doubts here - GW would stay. Must be something in Iraq that makes them think they should be there.


What? Soldiers should have more rights to decide who the president is than civilians. That is awfully twisted. It's their job. Since when does one's vocation grant them more rights legally? You are an incredibly twisted granny. You don't want the soldiers to be reading this? Why? You want to shelter them from opposing viewpoints. You are completely unamerican. You sound like a german granny from WWII who doesn't want her nazi soldiers to read american papers. They have a right to know the truth.

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ControlFreak 7 years, 7 months ago

I tell y'all it ain't Amer'can! It ain't!

Only Fred Phelps can have freedom of speech!

Ban all people who want to do what they feel is right. They hate Amer'ca!

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scenebooster 7 years, 7 months ago

"Hell no I don't hate American! And you are right "scenebooster" - freedom of speech. Get inside the dam bus "Jim Goodwhen" and talk until your hearts content, I don't won't to hear it nor do I want see it and our troops don't either!!"

How do you know what the troops want? Do you speak for all 130,000+ of them? Lots of former troops have gone on record against this war and this president...

You don't have to listen, but he has the right to say it, loud and proud...

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Tychoman 7 years, 7 months ago

This guy's working hard doing what he believes is right. Good for him!

I'll bet none of you haters were protesting the impeachment of other presidents at the time, just your golden boy.

How does the saying go? Clinton screwed an intern but Bush screwed a country. Take your pick of WHICH country it was.

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ronwell_dobbs 7 years, 7 months ago

I guess if I read the story correctly it said that he had a table set up in South Park, thus meaning that people, if they chose to do so under their own free will, could stop by and sign a petition. There appears to be no coercion whatsoever. Sounds as "free" of speech as can be expected.

Just for grins, let's compare this with the group of fundamentalist christians that were in downtown Lawrence, standing on top of planters shouting, approaching passersby and handing out their literature. Do they have a right to be there? Heavens knows I don't want to hear what they have to say, but I wouldn't for a minute question that the U.S. Constitution gives them the right to deliver their message as long as they obey traffic laws and other civil codes.

Come on, folks. Let's wring the politics out of this stuff first and then analyze it on the grounds of our core principles.

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offtotheright 7 years, 7 months ago

Your son enlisted at will correct? Or did someone force him to sign on the dotted line?

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HistoryGirl58 7 years, 7 months ago

My son is in Iraq. My sweet daughter-in-law lives every day with the fear that she will become a widow before she has a chance to really be a wife. Hell, yes, impeach that lying bastard in the White House. If his war is so holy, why aren't his children in uniform? Where can I sign the petition?

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granny 7 years, 7 months ago

Hell no I don't hate American! And you are right "scenebooster" - freedom of speech. Get inside the dam bus "Jim Goodwhen" and talk until your hearts content, I don't won't to hear it nor do I want see it and our troops don't either!!

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monkeyhawk 7 years, 7 months ago

How did this guy just happen to land in the little old town of Lawrence, Ks., dwindling population and all? Is he guesting at someone's house and being fed by the Merc?

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one_more_bob 7 years, 7 months ago

The lines have been drawn, the usual players are in their usual positions. Baskets of guano have been distributed. We'll see at the end of the day if anything new has been said here.

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scenebooster 7 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, screw those guys and their "opinions".

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blue73harley 7 years, 7 months ago

Maybe he could give the Coalition for Peace and Justice a bus ride...out of town.

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scenebooster 7 years, 7 months ago

"I really hate for our soldiers to be reading this crap. Approve or disapprove, we are in a war - this jerk "in a bus" isn't going to change a dam thing. It is a disgrace to the soldiers fighting for you and me to see this going on in America."

Wait a minute there, granny - what exactly are out troops doing in Iraq? I thought they were they to spread democracy...you know, the right to free speech and all? You might not like what this chap has to say, but it's his right as an American to say it.

You don't hate America, do you?

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Sacerdotal 7 years, 7 months ago

"Impeachment right now would serve no other purpose than to be another distraction from finding Osama bin Laden. " ++++++ I agree. We need to get out of this cycle and try to work together as Americans. The impeachment managers for the Clinton case admitted they were paying the D's back for Nixon. If the House of Representatives turns back to the Democrats in January, I hope they have better things to do than punish Bush. That will come in time, perhaps at the international court at the Hague. We need to find a rational way out of Iraq; the distraction of impeachment will not help the situation.

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Agnostick 7 years, 7 months ago

First responder, of course, falls back to the old Clinton gambit. No big surprise there...

Some guy garners support for impeaching Bush: "Bad"

Some guy garners support for "retroactive impeachment" of Clinton: "Good"

He is a nut, like all extremists.

Nothing to see here... but the usual blatant, shallow hypocrisy.

Move on.

Thanks.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

P.S. Impeachment right now would serve no other purpose than to be another distraction from finding Osama bin Laden. It would be a big distraction from the important stuff... just like it was the last time we tried to impeach a sitting president.

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granny 7 years, 7 months ago

I really hate for our soldiers to be reading this crap. Approve or disapprove, we are in a war - this jerk "in a bus" isn't going to change a dam thing. It is a disgrace to the soldiers fighting for you and me to see this going on in America. In my job I talk directly with service men everyday - it is awfully funny that since the war started I have not talked to "ONE" solider that doesn't feel we should be there. We should let our soliders vote to see if GW should stay or go, no doubts here - GW would stay. Must be something in Iraq that makes them think they should be there.

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offtotheright 7 years, 7 months ago

Go back to Texas you wacked out nut case!

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plumberscrack 7 years, 7 months ago

MAYBE.....

"We the people....."

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compmd 7 years, 7 months ago

Something we seem to be forgetting as Americans is that no man is above the law. It is most unfortuante that some believe they are. Worse are those who think its ok for some to be above the law and unaccountable for their actions. It is our obligation as citizens to use the law to punish those who would violate the most fundamental tenets of our legislative and judicial systems. Sadly our power is diminished daily by the actions of our leader and his congressionally sanctioned assaults on the rights of the people. We still have the power to change things. If recent trends continue, in 20 years we will not have that power.

I believe in what Mr. Goodnow is doing and the reasons for his actions, however I am not sure what effect it will have.

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Defender 7 years, 7 months ago

"Bill Clinton was a saint and its perfectly Ok that what he did would have gotten any other american fired from their job. For god's sake he (not the internet boom) created economic prosperity that didn't collapse until GW got into office in late 1998. The CIA built houses for the poor instead of spying during his presidency."

And this makes Bush a good president how? It doesn't, and what Clinton did was no where near as bad as anything Bush has done. Blind loyalty is idiotic, just like this statement.

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davisnin 7 years, 7 months ago

Bill Clinton was a saint and its perfectly Ok that what he did would have gotten any other american fired from their job. For god's sake he (not the internet boom) created economic prosperity that didn't collapse until GW got into office in late 1998. The CIA built houses for the poor instead of spying during his presidency.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 7 months ago

Bush is not intellectually equipped to be president; that may or may not be reason enough to impeach him.

Cheney, on the other hand, is walking, breathing evil. He consciously perpetrated many of the errors of the Bush team, and he should be called to account for them.

Conservatives are a curse on the country.

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happyp 7 years, 7 months ago

I agree with GermanJHawk, I just hope Mr. Goodnow is still in town so I can sign the petition. Do you know where I can find him?

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GermanJHawk 7 years, 7 months ago

No he does not. But last I checked the majority of Clintons lying got him a BJ not thousands of our boys killed in a quest for WMDs that did not exist and ties to Al Qaeda that were vaporous. This does not even get into the unlawful behavior of bending and breaking the constitution at will when it does not suite his aims (wiretaps). I think I would rather have a dishonest horny president or one that did not report a land deal right that one that is dishonest and invades countries on false pretense and disregards the constitution.

Also I don't know if you remember but Clinton DID get impeached. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed. Clinton was dishonest and so is this guy and he has done much more harm. Impeach him.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 7 months ago

Hmmmmm...

This makes guy no mention of SlickWillieKlinton having lied to congress, having been disbarred by his home state and having been convicted of lying to Congress.

He is a nut.

Nothing to see here.

Move on.

Thanks.

Marion.

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