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Special team set to study city’s sustainability

Commissioners seek input from residents

October 30, 2006

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City commissioners and a group of outside experts want to hear what Lawrence residents hope their community looks like in the coming decades.

Six members of a special team compiled by the American Institute of Architects will be in Lawrence from Wednesday to Friday to study ways to make Lawrence more sustainable.

"I really hope it is the start of our community vision process," said City Commissioner Boog Highberger, who led the efforts to bring the team to Lawrence. "We're wanting to look at how we can do thing in a way that we can keep doing them and not mess up things for our children and grandchildren."

The group will focus on three broad topics: environmental sustainability, economic sustainability and social sustainability.

Members of the group plan a series of meetings to gather ideas. The largest will be a town hall meeting from 6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. Wednesday at City Hall.

The group is encouraging people to attend the meeting and share their thoughts on Lawrence's future.

Other meetings include:

¢ 1:30 p.m.-5 p.m. Wednesday at the Eldridge Hotel, 701 Mass. Group members will break into subgroups to discuss issues related to development and housing, government and infrastructure, culture and recreation, and economy and retail.

¢ 8 a.m.-noon Thursday at the Eldridge Hotel. The group will have a second session for people who were unable to attend Wednesday's meeting.

¢ 3:30 p.m.-5:30 p.m. Friday at the Lawrence Arts Center, 940 N.H. The group will make a public presentation announcing its preliminary findings about the community.

A final report should to be delivered to the City Commission by the end of the year, said Lisa Patterson, communications coordinator for the city.

The group is coming to the city as part of the Sustainable Design Assessment Team project, which selects a handful of cities each year to study. The group is not charging the city for its services, only its basic expenses.

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overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

The American Institute of Architects is not a government organization and its members represented on the SDAC are not government planners.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

A good salesman understands that is not easy to make a sale. Resistance to buying the product can have many underlying reasons. These are called "objections." A good salesman will uncover the objections, through friendly conversation, questioning and manipulation. Once the ojections are uncovered, they can easily be dismissed with flawed logic and personal pressure so as to elicit an emotional response that cinches the sale.

That is the purpose of the meetings being held this week by the AIA and the PLC faction fo the City Kommission. The AIA (government planning experts, all) proudly announce that, after only a few hours of discussion with a few hand-picked people (and, of course, the obligatory two hour meeting where the community at large is allowed to make their views knows) they will pronounce to Lawrence, via a power- point presentation, the CORRECT future direction for Lawrence. They even announce that they will return in one year to make sure we are on the right path.

These meetings are actually part of the Smart Growth sales pitch. Think of it as an Amway meeting. You are invited to learn about some new opportunity, and, after hearing only part of the story, you are drawn out, and asked to share your feelings about the nature of the scheme, only to find that your statements are later used to point out how foolish you are not to realize what a golden opportunity you have been presented.

This week, Lawrence citizens have been subjected to the Amway of Smart Growth, aka American Institue of Architecture. Come Friday, the citizens who convene at the Lawrence Arts Center will be subjected to a vision that portrays the wants and needs of most of Lawrence as obstacles to the desired outcomes of Smart Growth, obstacles that can, and must, be overcome with proper education, and direction, from the AIA.

The outcome was decided before the meetings were held.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

Why don't you take that up with Sunflower, who controls the content on their cable system, rednek?

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Kelly Powell 7 years, 5 months ago

Will they record these meetings and televise them on channel six that evening for those who have jobs? Probably not.....once again this is simply another stroke job....Sure , it makes you feel good, but in the end you feel let down and sticky.

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plumberscrack 7 years, 5 months ago

Special team set to study city's sustainability...LJW

Sounds like more Dada to me.

Or was that do-do?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, momma, but your post makes no sense.

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Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 5 months ago

do a study now for what you want then makes no sense.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

Great post, overthemoon.

Unfortunately, mindless sprawl, by definition, requires mindlessness. That's why sprawl-based industries fear involving actual planning and thinking in "growth" related issues.

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overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

This is not the last you will be hearing about 'sustainability'. It would be of great benefit if all those who assume it means a smart/no-growth, old hippie, politically motivated passing fad to become acquainted with the basic concepts.

Most importantly, the vision for sustainable design, economics and communities is grounded in an integrity of purpose that transcends partisan politics. All that's required to understand and participate in is an open and thoughtful mind....particiapation is the key. If you're afraid of the outcome, get involved.

Perhaps some facts on the Sustainable Design Assessment would be of value to understand the purpose, process and costs of this visionary program.

http://www.aia.org/SiteObjects/files/SDAT_RFP_2007.pdf

If you don't care to read the whole thing, a brief summary:

"The SDAT process will: ¢ inform the community of opportunities and encourage them to take action to protect local and regional resources ¢ help the community understand the structure of the place at various scales and contexts-from regional resources to the neighborhood scale ¢ explore and articulate the larger contexts and interactions of ecological, sociological, economic, and physical systems ¢ visualize potential futures ¢ recognize and describe the qualities of a place by preserving the best elements of the past, addressing the needs of the present, and planning for the needs of future generations; ¢ identify and describe choices and consequences ¢ connect plans and actions ¢ advance the principles of quality sustainable communities ¢ help the community define the roles of various stakeholders ¢ develop a road map for the implementation of more sustainable policies and practices."

And for the overpriced consultant-weary, communities apply for the assessment, which is actually something of a grant program. The costs assosiated with the study are $30,000. $25,000 of that is provided by the AIA, the remaining $5000 to be paid by the community.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

To submit to taking part in these "visioning" sessions is giving credibility to the concept that a city government should ever bring in a group of volunteers who represent an organization that adopts as its mission statement the liberal political movement called "smart-growth," and that these volunteers are so expert in shaping societies that they can discern the wishes of a city in four public meetings held over the course of 2 days, and can present us with a preview of the roadmap of the future of our city "as WE vision it" on the 3rd day.

This is absurd. The city government is not charged with this responsibility, and these "volunteer/aka political operatives" are not endowed with the power to mold the future of Lawrence simply because they (sigh, applause, and tears) volunteered their time (plus expenses, of course).

The conclusion is foregone. This entire convocation is just another exercise in Dadaism.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

a guy wrote: "That sounds like an excuse to me. You are part of the solution, or you are part of the problem."

Right. If I do nothing to stop the PLC, that really is a problem.

Problem is, they have a majority, they have made up their minds, and there is not one thing any of the rest of can do to stop them. Until April 2007.

I am glad you are seeing success under the reign of the Three Amigos. There are not many others who are in your circle.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

How generous of these professionals to donate their week to Lawrence, the poor, underprivileged community that we are.

Where does the American Institute of Architects get its funding?

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

Thanks all. I forgot about the 4/4/2 plan. I am most interested in knowing the WHO -- which has now been provided. (I also saw it on the JW story announcing one person's intent to run.)

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Pilgrim 7 years, 5 months ago

Posted by Informed (anonymous) on October 30, 2006 at 10:16 a.m.

OK, I've asked this several times in the last few days, but have not received an answer:

How many/which commission seats are up for the next election?


There are always three. The top two get four-year terms, and #3 gets a two-year term. That way there are always three seats up for election every two years.

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wwwd 7 years, 5 months ago

Informed. Three. Boog, Schauner and Rundle.

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cool 7 years, 5 months ago

let's all follow up on this after the meeting and again after the group report.

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cool 7 years, 5 months ago

thanks marion, likewise we know we have differed but yet still agree on many things. i went to the introductory meet & greet for this group. really they are all volunteers brought to Lawrence as part of a national task force study branch of the American Institute of Architects.

they owe no allegiance to City Hall here. so Yes, someone is paying / i heard something like $11,000 for the whole trip and written study thing -- but that's not too much.

property tax is a hot issue for me --- how am i going to retire ? and pay ever more ? we cannot let happen here what IS happening elsewhere like New Jersey where a 59 year old friend was paying $2400 per year in 2000 and is now paying $8400 for the same house ?

there we go i diverged to prove Marion and i can talk. thanks...... don't let up on the commiss --- but only VOTE for better candidates not ones that you THINK you may agree with.

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Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

More potty humor from the angst filled teenager. The archetypal PLC supporter has graced us with another personal attack.

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tony88 7 years, 5 months ago

Speaking of outside experts...

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tony88 7 years, 5 months ago

Everybody, you now have Marion's approval to listen to Sven Alstrom, but you still have not been granted approval to listen to the commission; so be careful.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

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Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

As I have little respect for the PLC Kommissioners and their policies and as they are PUBLIC officials I feel free to express my disrespect in any legal manner and in any way that I feel makes my point.

On the other hand and as far as I know, cool "Sven Alstrom", is a PRIVATE citizen and apparently associated with this study. I do respect him for publishing his real name along with his opinion. When I said "with all due respect", I meant it, even though I strongly disagree with him on the value of this study.

I just tired of this Kommission paying outside "experts" who have no tie to this community, don't pay taxes here, get their expenses paid by Lawrence tax dollars telling us all how we should live our lives. Especially when the Kommission could hand pick those people who agree with their positions and exclude those who disagree. Give me those dollars, let me pick my experts and you'll get a completely different conclusions.

And you HAVE been impacted by the PLC Kommission policies. Our budget deficits, lack of good roads, higher costs of living does impact you, with all due respect.

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SpeedRacer 7 years, 5 months ago

"We're wanting to look at how we can do thing in a way that we can keep doing them and not mess up things for our children and grandchildren."

Too late.

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tony88 7 years, 5 months ago

"the PLC wishes to impose its "vision" on every single person and every single aspect of our lives."

Sigmund, speak for yourself. The commission's actions have been no imposition on my life whatsoever.

and you say "with all due respect" quite a bit, then refer to the commission as the Kommission. perhaps you should change your approach.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Ahem........

Having been acquainted with Sven Alstrom since about the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis (Sorry, there Sven!), I assure you that he is NOT an unreasonble Looney Leftie.

Maybe a bit of Leftie but NOT Looney and he is a good man to have around on issues such as this.

He is public spirited, knowledgeable and open minded on the issues.

He also gives a lot to Lawrence through his public service.

Takes good care of his dogs too!

His background and esxperince qualify him to speak on the issues of this little burg so listen up!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

With all due respect Sven, I doubt my concerns and the concerns of many people in Lawrence will not be addressed. Specifically, this is a waste of money and government controls too much of our lives and our property rights. It is insulting that either this Kommission thinks that Lawrencian's are too stupid to deal with these issues locally or, more likely, it is little more than political cover to control virtually EVERY aspect of our lives.

The scope is astounding. From environmental (block the SLT), economic (who can open a business, what kind of business), and social (smoking bans and decriminalization of pot use), the PLC wishes to impose its "vision" on every single person and every single aspect of our lives.

So with all due respect Sven, please convey my concerns to the Kommission; the bearded-man-out-of-town experts are unneeded and unwanted. You'll do that won't you?

But perhaps a recent CNN article put it more clearly; "Majority believes government doing too much" and might I add, stampeding on our rights and our property rights in the process. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/27/poll.government/index.html

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tony88 7 years, 5 months ago

""Special team set to study city's sustainability"

Yet the city is trying to give a swift kick in the butt to a 100k s.f. Wal-Mart Super Center?"

Wal-Mart is sustainable?

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

"Little Blue Island" huh?

'Blue' as in depressing maybe?

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lunacydetector 7 years, 5 months ago

why must the city always have their meetings at downtown venues? why not out west? nope, they always have to be downtown. i guess the homeless need something to do.

of course they make the meetings as inconvenient as possible for the regular folk, and on short notice. it's the progressive way of weeding out their critics, or identifying their critics - if the critics still come regardless of how inconvenient the city wants the meetings to be, then they must be serious.

nope, i'll pass, on these meetings - i'll just wait for the next election.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

Whoa, wait, hold on a minute:

"Special team set to study city's sustainability"

Yet the city is trying to give a swift kick in the butt to a 100k s.f. Wal-Mart Super Center?

I just DO NOT get Lawrence----unbelievable.

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KsTwister 7 years, 5 months ago

This city had studies on Tanger,it flopped and studies on Riverside Paza,it flopped, Louisiana Purchase sits partially empty as well as the one on 6th street. Studies just mean our dollars are spent on failures over and over again. Businesses (in addition to retail) need to come to Lawrence, do a study on why they do not.

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cool 7 years, 5 months ago

the format of these meetings is very open and seeks to identify broad based concerns from all segments of the population from elderly to developers. the conclusions are not a priori and will most likely surprise even moderates and and those at both ends of the political spectrum.

Douglas County and Lawrence have many opportunities to become more sustainable and a center for organic farming in northeast Kansas.

SVEN ALSTROM, architect

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Ah, back from my long walk on my land. Enjoy your time at the Green Zone.

"Here to help others?"

You remind me of the type of guy that believes in the maxim:

"God helps those who take a big helping for themselves."

Like other whiners.....

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conservative 7 years, 5 months ago

I think I finally figured out the disconnect with the city commission. They keep hearing everyone saying that we need to bring more high paying jobs to Lawrence. Therefore they keep bringing in high paid consultants for every little thing. We never specified to them that the high paying jobs should be permanent and being paid to people who live and pay taxes in Lawrence.

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Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't know about the rest of this board, but personally I cannot take seriously anyone who uses the word 'developturd' once, let alone multiple times in a thread. For some reason it reminds me of an angry 15 year old, dressed in black, and resenting that he is living in mommies basement, with nothing intelligent to say about anything.

I just can't shake that image and I just can't take it seriously.

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

OK, I've asked this several times in the last few days, but have not received an answer:

How many/which commission seats are up for the next election?

Your comment, log, while not really worthy of a response, shows your total arrogance and your ignorance of the world around you. Not that it matters, but I'm currently in a third world nation. I'm here to help others. I'm not important and it's not about me. I am not receiving a paycheck, either here or back in the States. I won't go into the details of living conditions here, you probably couldn't understand. Enjoy your long walk. Stop at the Pig and have a cup o' joe. (I wouldn't want you to degrade yourself by stopping in Starbucks.) Smoke another clove cigarette. (Do people really still smoke those things?) Take a deep breath. Things will be fine.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

estespark wrote:

"The meeting times are absurd."

Marion writes:

Yes, agreed.

Why do you think they schedule them when they do?

Thanks.

Marion.

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Esq2eB 7 years, 5 months ago

Economic Sustainability in Lawrence = Driving to Topeka to go to work.

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estespark 7 years, 5 months ago

The meeting times are absurd.

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Sigmund 7 years, 5 months ago

A whole bunch of bearded man experts, this time from out of town, brought here to tell us how to live our lives. You see Lawrence, your not not nearly smart enough to make your own decisions and choose for yourselves. And they may be right, after all you were stupid enough to put the PLC in control of the City Kommission, how bright can you be?

They will be long gone after the taxpayers have footed the bill not just for the travel, but for the impact of their recommendations. Maybe we can bring them back every year so they can tell us how well we are doing?

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

yawn

Please tell me about anonymity, A_Guy. Or will I find you listed under Mr. A_Guy?

log, you crack me up. You really do.

Must... resist... urge... to... slam...

Must... resist... urge...

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Well, off for a long walk and then to work. I hope the little developturds come back and play in a while. Seems they all ran home to review their blueprints and postcards for winning the election.

PACs - HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

OHHHH, you're so important. My bad Mr. International! HA HA HA HA.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Don't you just love these crybabies? They whine that they have no voice in the future and then, when the city decides to hold meetings to give our citizens a forum to provide input for a blueprint for the future, they cry and whine that they're too busy to provide input or that it doesn't matter.

My suspicion is that they're like their brethren in D.C., who are fine with sending boys to fight their wars when they themselves did no fighting during their day, in a word Chickenhawks. Except this is more like Yellowdevelopturds or something like that.....

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

If the issues are important to you, and you can't make this series of meetings, then I'm sure you can find other ways to make your voice heard. Just keep in mind that most City officials aren't going to pay any attention to an online board where all of the users are anonymous.

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm not in Houston, bozo, but my flight would bring me through Houston. I am a resident of Lawrence -- have been for almost 30 years. I happen to be in another country right now.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Awww.... does poor man have to travel for a living? What a shame.... Take notes while you're in Houston. It's a mish mash of trashy subdivisions, large byways, strip malls on steroids, and reminds me of a large Topeka. Enjoy. I'm sure you'll fit right in.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

Yea, those silly city leaders. They should have been more considerate of the residents of Houston before scheduling the meetings.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Tony, you're probably right on. Yes, an empty desolate downtown, a dilapidated and trashy east side, and to the west, a soulless conformity of cheap subdivisions dotted by strip malls as far as the eye can see.

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

Well, A_Guy, I might be able to be there if you'd graciously offer to spend about $1000 on my r/t airline ticket. But do it fast; I'll need to leave tomorrow on the 1:43 flight to Houston. I should make it to KCI by about 9:39pm. Don't worry, though. I'll be able to get home from the airport.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Or, the following:

"Great Town, Great University, and How To Trash It"

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tony88 7 years, 5 months ago

I think they would like to see downtown and east lawrence take on the Topeka style, while west lawrence will follow the johnson county model and continue to do so in an endless expension to the future... westward ho!

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Maybe the whiners would like to write the following plan:

"How to Take a Beautiful city with a Great University and Squander It."

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

Hmmm, I wonder if the whiners prefer a Johnson County sprawl (trashy neighborhoods of the future) or a Topeka slow fall into dilapidation?

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't see the upcoming elections changing anything. Based on what I see on a daily basis, most people are very happy with Lawrence, and the few people I see complaining on this board don't seem motiviated to go out and do anything. They'll probably find an excuse as to why they aren't able to vote.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

A meaningless threat. What a doofus.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

This meeting will change nothing.

The upcoming elections will and I will be there, new PAC and all.

Thanks.

Marion.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

"Yep, I can see that us whiners would get a really warm welcome at those meetings."

Really? Does it say that in the article?

Or do expect that if you go in with the same sneering attitude you exhibit here that it will be met with a less than warm reception?

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

That sounds like an excuse to me. You are part of the solution, or you are part of the problem.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

Yep, I can see that us whiners would get a really warm welcome at those meetings.

Looks like these are not intended to be "visioning" meetings, they are really "re-education" meetings. Those who attend will learn what has already been decided.

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

As a business owner in the City of Lawrence, I'm very happy with the current direction the City is moving. I don't see a need for a change in the local government.

If you do want change, then I would find a way to make it to the late Wednesday meeting. Get your friends together, and go speak out.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

For the whiners -

You should all make it a priority to attend so you can lay out your vision of the future or Lawrence: strip malls and subdivisions spreading throughout Douglas County, no more green space, highways criscrossing the county to provide transportation to trucks spewing micro-particles from their diesel engines as they pass over our land - all of this subsidized by existing taxpayers.

And eventually then, after all this "new" development becomes old, falls apart, dilapidated (like the East Lawrence neighborhoods you whine so much about), then you can press on to create subdivisions in other counties and leave Lawrence to the slumlords and tax boards in an ever-increasing cycle of crime and depression.

Ahh... visioning.....

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

A_Guy, good for you. What advice do you have for people who wish the government would get out of the business of making things happen, and start taking care of the basics, instead?

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

A person can make excuses, or they can find a way to make things happen. I find I'm far more successful when I make things happen......and I ALWAYS find a way to make things happen when something is important to me.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

"I wonder if my boss will let me have Wednesday afternoon off just so I can take part in a visioning?"

I doubt it-- your posting on this website is just too critical to the operation of the business.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

"Why didn't they have this on a weekend or at night?:

Because then us ordinary, non-government working folk, or, worse yet, those blankety-blank commuters, might show upand voice a contrary opinion.

I wonder if my boss will let me have Wednesday afternoon off just so I can take part in a visioning?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

"We tries, we does."

It all becomes clear.

Still looking for the lost ring, Gollum?

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

If you are really that upset at the City Commission and things are really that bad, then you should find a way to be there. Take two hours of vacation time if you need to. It's all about priorities. I think most people here complain just to complain.

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logrithmic 7 years, 5 months ago

The whiners are out in force, whining that they have no voice in the city. But then when the city officials wisely offer forums to publicly air their vision of a future Lawrence - a line of souless subdivisions stretching from Wyandotte to Shawnee counties, dotted by McSprawlMarts, they cry that the forums will be useless. Whine!!!

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

Hey, A_Guy, have you looked at the schedule? One 2-hour session in the evening for public comment. Do you really think they want valid input from the public? This article comes out in the Monday paper, but the evening public meeting is in two days (for two hours). But, wait, there's more... Then, the next day they are going to have a FOUR HOUR public meeting (from 8am-12noon, when most people are working) for those who may have missed the Wednesday meeting. Not to mention that they will present their "findings" to the public on Friday, from 3:30-5:30. C'mon, get real. Are your thought processes really that stilted?

Heck, it took 4 hours to discuss ONE project at last week's commission meeting, and they already had their mind made up about that one as well.

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A_Guy 7 years, 5 months ago

It sounds to me like they are holding public meetings and trying to get public input.

Instead of complaining on this board, go and present your thoughts in a public forum to public officials. I am constantly amazed at the number of people who sit and complain about Lawrence on this board. This is your chance to do something. If you don't like the way things are going, but don't make any attempt to change it, then its your fault that things aren't changing and you have no reason to complain.

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Norma Jeane Baker 7 years, 5 months ago

Another absolutely useless study. The current commission has already made up their mind about what THEY think the city should look like. Economic sustainability? That's a joke. The city tends to shoot down any/everyone who wants to bring jobs to town.

I read that the group isn't charging for the study, just their 'basic expenses'. I wonder how much that's going to cost us??

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

x96merrill3;

Thank you!

We tries, we does.

Thanks.

Marion.

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janeb 7 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone else notice these leaders study too much. Hel they could read the forum and get a clue.

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x96merrill3 7 years, 5 months ago

Rarely do I post, but Marion...THAT WAS FUNNY. I am a big fan of sarcasm and you hit the nail on the head. Well done!!!!

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Kelly Powell 7 years, 5 months ago

Why didn't they have this on a weekend or at night?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

Looks like another Filbert! morning on JW Forums.

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simplifying 7 years, 5 months ago

I attended one of the meetings and I guess I was at the wrong one. I thought sustainability was more environmental. Guess I was mistaken

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

The worst problem that Lawrence has right now is a peculiar infestation of Progressis Parasitis Satanis.

Not certain if an exorcist, new politicians or exterminators are in order.

Thanks.

Marion.

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truthlawrence 7 years, 5 months ago

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KsTwister 7 years, 5 months ago

WAIT.....don't do anything until after the next election---it's only fair. "The group will focus on three broad topics: environmental sustainability, economic sustainability and social sustainability." It depends on ideals, and I think Lawrence is ready for new ones that are done right the first time.

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lunacydetector 7 years, 5 months ago

i can see a group of architects gathering around to decide what a building looks like or how the landscaping should look and of course - how much it will cost because architects always get paid a percentage of the respective costs, but what the heck do they know about anything else?

sounds like a great way to spread some of that old 'smart growth = no growth' religion.

when can we see gigantic murals of our fearless progressive leaders adorning select buildings downtown that the weirdos can adore?

...all this planning for the geriatric majority in our future that the minority youngins today can pay for through higher taxes. it's nice that these guys can spend our money on frivolous lawsuits and a roundabout in every driveway, plus they can plan how to spend our children's children's money. i see their goal now.

break out the giant murals. it's time.

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3e8 7 years, 5 months ago

Comrades, let us gather in small groups and meet with consultants to decide what is sustainable for the good of the bourgeoisie order! Act now to stop the proletariat-mart from eroding our static utopia!

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