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Official language English in Texas city

November 14, 2006

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— Despite loud protests from scores of pro-immigrant demonstrators, the City Council in this Dallas suburb adopted ordinances Monday night to crack down on illegal immigration and to make English the city's official language.

Opponents of illegal immigration broke into cheers when the council voted unanimously to pass ordinances that will:

¢ Require city officials to conduct nearly all official business in English.

¢ Prohibit landlords from renting apartments to people who cannot prove their citizenship or legal status.

¢ Have city police enter into a cooperative agreement with federal immigration officials to target "criminal aliens."

Hundreds of people on both sides of the issue were turned away from the council chambers for lack of space. They sometimes tried to out-shout each other in the City Hall lobby by chanting slogans. A police officer with a bullhorn told them they had to be quiet or leave.

Other officers milled about the crowd thick with American flags, protest signs and camera crews. Police kept riot gear, transparent shields, helmets with face masks and batons behind the receptionist's desk in City Hall's spacious lobby.

Such scenes soon could come to cities in nearby Tarrant County because anti-illegal immigration activists in Arlington and Fort Worth said they will push for similar measures. City Council members from Fort Worth, Arlington and Bedford recently told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram they worry such proposals could attract lawsuits and turn their meetings into heated debates.

Hispanic groups addressed the Farmers Branch City Council during its work session meeting in the afternoon.

Members of the League of United Latin American Citizens presented a petition with about 150 signatures urging the council to drop the anti-illegal immigration measures.

Comments

SettingTheRecordStraight 8 years, 1 month ago

Bozo, I like you but that is a stupid, uninformed comment.

jonas 8 years, 1 month ago

Now is that the King's English, Webster's English, or Murican? When do we start enforcing grammar and getting rid of imported words. These things are important.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

Until we have trade and foreign policies that don't create the conditions that force undocumented workers to make the very dangerous migration into this country looking for work, there will be no solution to this problem.

And xenophobic measures like this will be nothing more than pointless exercises in bigoted futility.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

What's the matter, Marion-- did ya lose your dictionary?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

Well, I am just another bozo, Marion, so I aim to amuse.

pompously and arrogantly yours,

just another bozo

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

US corporations have been partners in Mexican (and other Latin American) corruption for a very long time.

BrianR 8 years, 1 month ago

I don't care if everyone from Mexico comes to the US as long as they're documented. If floods of undoc mexicans can get into the US undetected, Osama can.

It's just a good idea to know who's here.

werekoala 8 years, 1 month ago

The whole "conduct all business in english" - sounds good, but generally, isn't this already done? I mean, go to the county courthouse, and see how many non-english versions of their documents they have available.

And if there's a witness to a crime who only speaks Hungarian, are the cops not allowed to interview him, since he can't speak English?

And also, who decides what English is? "Patio", "Montana", and "rodeo" are all spanish words we've appropriated. Historically, the relative strength of what we call "English" has been that fact that unlike French and other languages, it's been a mongrel tongue, assimilating all other languages that it encounters. Languages can and do evolve over time, and pretending that they cannot or will not seems like a short-sighted and petty strike against an already-disadvantaged portion of the population. We are, and will contunue to be English-speaking for the next hundred years, so there's no danger. Beyond that, english and spanish might well evolve into a hybrid Spanglish language, but fighting it will be like trying to hold back the sea with a broom, and it might even be a good thing since it would lead to more people speaking a common language which generallys leads to less likelyhood of war and conflict.

But the part of this I really don't like is the requirement for landlords to verify immigration status. I mean, hell, it sounds good, but if I'm a landlord, I don't think I should be doing the INS' job for them. How am I to determine whether a green card is valid or not? If I have 450 apartments, what is the cost of verifying some 900+ tenants? And what penalties will I pay if I get one wrong. You just have to look at the ordinance against 3+ unrelated folks living together in Lawrence to see how this is going to go.

In short, I don't like this because it seems like a short-sighted feel-good measure to boost certain politicians' popularity, rather than deal with the real and substantive issues regarding illegal immigrants.

Leprechaunking13 8 years, 1 month ago

Every immigrant from any other country has to learn English when or before they get here, why should they not have to learn English as well. Just because there's more mexican immigrants coming into this country doesn't mean that they should have everything written in spanish for them. Learn English and become a legal citizen and stop mooching from our country.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

And what do those statistics prove, ljreader? That crime is highest where poverty is the greatest? That driving while brown is illegal?

This is an international problem, with many of its roots to be found in US trade and foreign policy. Blaming the victims of these policies will not solve the problem.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 1 month ago

"and stop mooching from our country"

A beautiful display of ignorance.

scritch 8 years, 1 month ago

So, how many of you have lived in another country? If you have, did you immediately (or before you lived there) become fluent in the new language? Or did you expect everyone to know English?

I asked this question to some folks who support this Texas law that were going to move to France. The answer: They didn't know any French, and expected that everyone there should know English. (Sure, a lot of folks in Europe know English, but a lot of folks here in the U.S. know Spanish)

I suspect these folks are not the only ones to think that.

Secondly, Agnostick, the current president of Mexico is Vincente Fox, who was elected during an election ripe with scandals and blemished by irregularities. Also, he was a former CEO for Coca-Cola, backed heavily by U.S. dollars, and helped strengthen Mexico's adherence to NAFTA. He was the result of U.S. intereference, not because the "Mexican's couldn't get it right".

This can all be traced (especially the influx of immigrants to the U.S., both "legal" and "illegal") back to NAFTA under the Clinton administration. 85% (according to a Washington Post report) of all immigrants living in the U.S. entered after NAFTA. What were the results of this Free Trade policy? The right wing and loyal to the U.S. Mexican government started selling off common land held by the poor and middle classes to U.S. corporations. Mexico's middle class was devestated, and their economy destroyed, while the minority at the top benefited greatly. Sound familiar? Anyone had a job walk off because of NAFTA?

Now, what Bush was wanting to do with the FTAA and CAFTA would make NAFTA look like a sugar cookie.

Speaking of which, haven't those living in the U.S. had hundreds of years to get it right, and we still have homeless veterans, rampant drug abuse, gang style killings, millions going hungry, 2 million in prison, and a president that was also elected with many voting irregularities and has produced dozens of his own scandals? When the hell are we "going to get it right"?

Leprechaunking13 8 years, 1 month ago

bozo you started any ignorance with the very first comment on here

scritch 8 years, 1 month ago

instead of spewing out racist dogmatic mantra about how "Mexicans are stealing our country" and creating more border fences and armed entry points (which by the way, the most militarized border in the world is not between North and South Korea, but between the U.S. and Mexico), maybe we should stand with the Mexican workers and poor against free trade policies that destroy all working people's lives.

This would be a real solution. At best, the fence and militarized border are bandaids that won't solve anything. Even Pat Buchanan admitted that. You have to solve the underlying factors that create problems. If someone keeps getting chronicly sick in a certain environment, you remove them from the environment, you don't just keep giving them anti-biotics and hope it goes away.

Leprechaunking13 8 years, 1 month ago

We aren't illegally entering other countries and having children so that we have a better chance of staying there. We aren't illegally moving into another country and not learning the common tongue. Those Texans you are talking about probably moved to France LEGALLY and they will find out that they need to pick up the language when they get there, however most of this country caters to the fact that they don't know our language and this should not be so! Any legal immigrant from any other country has to learn ENGLISH just because some people in here speak Spanish doesn't mean that it should be on signs or every where to help out ILLEGALS.

scritch 8 years, 1 month ago

Marion... do you ever actually offer any substance to a discussion?

Everything you just said was funny, at least, but really didn't have anything to do with reality or what people are discussing. How are we being PC, by the way? As far as I knew actually discussing the problems with global economic policy has been far from being politically correct.

scritch 8 years, 1 month ago

Leprechaunking13,

Actually we have illegally entered (as a U.S. foreign policy, actually) scores of countries. In this case, we can actually discuss Mexico as a country that we have entered illegally on multiple occasions. (Remember learning about the Mexican-American War?)

Most currently, the U.S. has scores of military "advisors" in Mexico helping prop up the current administration there, in violation of UN and international charter law. These advisors train the Mexican military and PFP (Federal Preventative Police) as well as engage in low intensity warfare and arming paramilitaries.

There is a long history if illegal intervention in other countries, Lepre. Remember Iran-Contra? The war in Vietnam (the fake Gulf of Tonkin incident)? The Spanish American War? The Bay of Pigs? Colombia? Or now, the war in Iraq.

But this is all side conversation, really. The point that needs to be made is that our economic policies have created this mess, and no walls or militaries will be able to fix it. Until the workers and poor in Mexico can once again survive in a viable economy, then this flood of immigration will stop. However. the truth of the matter is, all you folks that support Bush, support making the problem wose.

The Andean Free Trade Agreement with Peru has already meant that hundreds and thousands of people in that region have started to migrate North looking for better jobs, as their jobs are already being lost for lower paying jobs for American corporations. Where do you think they're heading?

What do you think the impact of CAFTA (The Central American Free Trade Agreement) will be when fully enacted?

The flood is coming because we destroyed the damn. And unless we help rebuild that damn by getting rid of these free trade agreements that destroy these economies, no Ark will save what will happen (and is already happening) to workers in the U.S. and the rest of this hemisphere.

Unless we stop adhering to the divisive xenophobic crap being spewed by these pundits, and realize we as workers in the U.S. have more in common with Mexican workers than we do with the rich in this country. We're all screwed.

scritch 8 years, 1 month ago

Most militarized borders in the world:

India/Pakistan-Kashmir region North Korea and South Korea U.S./Mexico (which is 2000 miles long, making more militarized land mass than any border in the world.)

CIA factbook

jonas 8 years, 1 month ago

"Posted by Marion (Marion Lynn) on November 14, 2006 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have never needed a dictionary to read or understand your posts, BOZO but am frequently amused by the arrogance and pomposity of those posts. Thanks. Marion."

Haha. Now THAT'S what I call irony!

roger_o_thornhill 8 years, 1 month ago

FarmersBranch sucks! Carrolton rules!

And dams are what hold back water. Damn can't even be a noun, I don't think.

scritch 8 years, 1 month ago

roger, good point. about the dam. a little early, and a little angry.

Leprechaunking13 8 years, 1 month ago

good point marion, and scritch that still doesn't explain why they can't learn the language of the country that they are MOVING TOO, those places you described Americans weren't moving there to live those are military actions. Illegal aliens MOVING here to LIVE is a lot different. I said that they don't learn English because the majority don't, their kids might. If you think that pregnant mexican women aren't staying here until they have the child for a reason you are dead wrong, they know if the child is born here than he/she is an american no question about it, if their kids are americans the government is a lot less likely to deport them right off.

Leprechaunking13 8 years, 1 month ago

THANK YOU agnostick...don't know if I've had the chance to post that on here before haha

kujeeper 8 years, 1 month ago

Can we deport Bozo to Mexico? Oh and send 500,000 illegals back with him?

juliopac 8 years, 1 month ago

What about LEGAL immigrants who cannot speak English? I know plenty of them. I have many Cuban friends, many of whom do not speak English despite living here for 40 plus years. And yes, they are naturalized citizens. The U.S. will happily take Cubans, since we've demonized Fidel Castro. We have to legitimate our policy toward Cuba by accepting all Cubans who make it here.

I think folks in TX are free to create ordinances they deem appropriate, but they must remember there are plenty of LEGALS who can't speak English.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 1 month ago

well I do not know why or how you can live in a country 40+ yrs and not know the language, but is seems to be a bit harde to get here from cuba than mexico and if you leave your own country and come here I think you should learn the language you made the coice to come here for the idea of a better life. If you have not noticed fl. should just be called mini cuba and if you do not speak spanish than you are in the minority in fl. and most of texas. and new mexico also.

werekoala 8 years, 1 month ago

You know, as much fun as it is to attack the poor, crime-ridden, uneducated, and unattractive symptoms of a disease, it doesn't really do much until you start attacking the cause.

Mexicans come here because they can get jobs. If you want to stop them from coming here - stop giving them jobs. It's that simple.

If the fine citizens of Farmers Branch want landlords to be INS agents, then they should want employers to be the same. Plus, how much would it cost to hire one or two cops with an illegal worker beat - examine documents, and harshly penalize companies who repeatedly hire under-documented workers. Solves that problem real quick-like.

But you'll never get the businesses to go for it. They want to have their cake and eat it. This way they can benefit from the illegal immigrants lack of protections, and their low labor prices, while simultaneously condemning them.

Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 8 years, 1 month ago

Similar language laws exist in Monteal. Forcing people to speak French is absolutely discriminatory.

kansasmutualaid 8 years, 1 month ago

If you're referring to people who are saying that the Mexican government and U.S. economic policies are the problem, I don't they're saying we need to nation build in Mexico. In fact, the problem is that the U.S. has already been nation building in Mexico since the 1800's.

Some abreviations to look up for those who don't understand what I mean:

WTO IMF WB NAFTA FTAA

werekoala 8 years, 1 month ago

A few words in reply agnostik:

The Wheel The Crossing The Hawk Bullwinkles Liquid

... need I go on?

werekoala 8 years, 1 month ago

Again, if you want to get rid of illegal immigration, start penalizing companies that employ illegal aliens. Housing, etc. is a moot point - if they can't get jobs, they won't come over.

Of course, be prepared to see the price on damn near everything from restaurants to construction jump up when the cheap labor on which they base their prices vanishes. But that's the price you pay.

SpeedRacer 8 years, 1 month ago

"Official language English in Texas city"

Thank Goodness! I've always had trouble understanding Texans.

Leprechaunking13 8 years, 1 month ago

If they come over LEGALLY than they are FORCED to learn english, even if they don't WANT to. Once they are a citizen they have to know English because they have obligations and responsibilities such as jury duty for one that every other citizen is obligated to do.

werekoala 8 years, 1 month ago

SpeedRacer:

Hah!

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Agnostick:

Sorry, I just really don't see having the landlords act as the police/INS is really going to do much good. Really, how old were you when you first had non-parental alcohol?

Odds are illegals have SOME form of fake ID, that's how the employer can pretend he doesn't know their true INS status. And that's the real crux of the issue - if you can expect landlords to do something, you can expect it of employers. And its the employers, not the landlords, that drive illegal immigration. Anything else, while it might make it harder to be an illegal immigrant, won't prevent them from existing.

The net result, if you make renting harder without making working harder, is that illegal immigration rates remain nearly the same, with the immigrants just living in worse conditions. And since poor living conditions are associated with worse hygiene and more medical needs, we just end up more of them in the ER for respiratory infections, sepsis, COPD, etc.

Sorry, but I don't see that as a valid solution, more of a punitive measure that feels good but accomplishes nothing. The only real solution is to enact and enforce some laws against illegal employment with teeth in them. And provide assistance to employers in eliminating/not hiring illegals.

werekoala 8 years, 1 month ago

Huh. We had very different high school experiences. Because while the drinking age was 21 when I was there, we had no problem getting people to buy us booze.

I don't think you're advocating giving arrest powers to landlords. But you are advocating making them legally responsible for determining someone's immigration status. This raises a number of problems:

1) as with the alcohol analogy, there's always someone willing to break or bend the rules for a quick profit.

2) why are we requiring landlords to do this when we're not enforcing the requirements that employers do it? They're coming here for jobs, not summer homes.

3) it opens the door - what other investigations is a landlord going to be required to make? Check deadbeat dad records? Sex offender status? Drug possession charges? Check to see if felons are owning guns? If convicted meth manufacturers have unusual chemicals about? If alcoholics in court-ordered rehab are drinking? Check to make everyone spending the night is above the age of consent? Confirm that no property on the premises is stolen? Check the VIN number on all autos to make sure they're not reported stolen/have warrants out?

None of these on the surface is a really bad idea. But it gets down to: how much of a requirement to pry into the lives of acquaintances do we want to have? And why should this be the landlord's job to investigate these items? I guess I really don't want to live in a society when I'm obliged to prove my validity through three thousand tests to every casual business acquaintance.

4) Again, I'm not in favor of illegal immigrants - I just can't understand why you think this is such a good idea, but don't comment on stronger enforcement of laws against employment of illegal immigrants. To me that is the key, and the only key, to stopping the tide. Make their employment unprofitable, and they will stop being hired, and when they stop getting jobs, they'll stop coming over.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

IT IS A GREAT IDEA!!!!

Why? You have to function in the community and culture called America. PERIOD! Most of the illegals DON'T want to assimilate.

WHY do people hire illegals? Because it is cheap wages. What happens to our soical, employment, safety, and environmental fabric if we allow illegal unchecked immigration to occur? The fabric unraveles, and the US of A, is taken down to the level of the Central Americas.

The Central American Countries (Mexico Included) had a meeting to oppose the US building a wall! They could not or would not address the real problems...their countries do not treat people as well as we do. Did they address how to make life better in those countries???? NO! They do think that they can tell the US how to run it's affairs, as if these bana Republics are ran any better. JEEZ!

How do we know illegal alien hiring hurts our culture and country?

  1. Do you really expect a company whom is hiring and using illegals to fulfill contractual opbligations LEGALLY??? NO!

  2. Do you really expect a company that hires and uses illegal aliens to follow the environmental laws? ?? NO!

  3. Do you really expect that employer of illegal aliens to comply with US Safety laws?? NO! that is why they hire them. They run these crews like third world ;abor gangs.... which is what they are.

  4. DO you really expect a landlord that is catering to illegal aliens to comply with the Lead Based Paint laws and disclosure issures? NO.

  5. Do you expect the Doctor, the auto mechanic, the contractor, the resturantu to comply with ANY laws that protect the public, if they are not complying with the EMPLOYMENT verification laws??? NO

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

Why am I so upset about this??? Because as a US citizen YOU and ME have to comply with the laws, being illegal just means IF one gets caught, one simply CHANGES identity and then moves on.

Over 25% of the car FATALALITIES in CA. are from UNLICENSED DRIVERS whom have had MORE THAN ONE WRECK with a fatalality, and a DUI. What happens when one of these DRUNK FLIPPIN" ILLEGAL ALIENS PUKES KILLS AMERICANS????? They just get another identity!

80% of the Births in the Southern part of Texas is to unwed Illegaal aliens. WHY?? Because MExico charges them $1000 UPFRONT, we OTOH, birth the baby and IF we do charge them, they SIMPLY BVANISH... and get another NEW IDENTITY!!!!

How would you like it to just start over after a major mistake, and just "wipe the slate clean" with a new identity?? Kill somebody...get a new identity. Get knocked up....get a new identity!

OH I am SO SORRY.... YOU ARE AN AMERICAN!!!! YOU cannot do that, that behavior is only allowable from ILLEGAL FILPPIN' ALIENS!!!!!!

Another thing, Farmers Branch is in the DFW metro area. 5.9 million people with about 500,000 illegal and taking up LOTSA of hospital space and siphoning off "entitlements" and denying AMERICAN poor services and access to thos entitlement programs.

Poor LEGAL CITIZEN minorities are PO'ed

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

THE LAWS ONLY APPLY TO YOU IN THE US of A if you are a CITIZEN.

Everyone else that just gets here, does not have to follow the laws.

THAT is what is the problem with illegal immigration.

Where illegal immigration is allowed the drug cartels follow.

In the "Sanctuary Cities" crime has gone up, and the quality of life and property values have gone down. These cities constantly holler how they do not have enough money and the meanies in Washington are not funding programs enough. HOWEVER, they advertise for the illegal pukes to keep coming into their city, and REFUSE to enforce immigration law.

IT is time for ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO WORK TOGETHER TO END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. TURN ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS AND THOSE THAT HIRE THEM.

NO MORE FEDERAL DOLLARS TO CITIES OR POLICE UNTIL THEY GO ALONG WITH ENFORCEMENT!!!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

NONE of this is racist.

IT IS however very very PRO AMERICAN CITIZEN.

Take care of our own first.

The other countries need to be billed or have monies withheld to take care of THEIR coitizens on our soil whom cannot pay.

AGAIN, a US Citizen would have to pay in another country.

CANADA does not allow AMNESTY or "Path to Citzenship.

And Mexico, PUL LEEZ!

THEY are the LAST country to be talking to ANY OTHER COUNTRY about immigration Legal or illegal until they clean up their cess pool of a country.

BOYCOTT MEXICO.

VIVA LA AMERICA!

(Viva La Raza, means to promote "the race".)

SO you see it IS racial, it is LATINO AGGRANDISEMENT!

Bone777 8 years, 1 month ago

No enforcement of immigration laws. Illegals making their way over having babies that are instantly deemed US citizens. 18 years of full entitlements. Social Security being paid out to those that haven't ever paid in. An educational system that used to have to teach the three R's, having to divide limited resources to teach english. Free medical care and other assorted programs.

I don't see a problem. Glugg...Gluggg....Gluggg (the sound of the United States sinking.)

ranger73 8 years, 1 month ago

I was wondering, Texas is in the United States-at least the last time I looked at a map. The "official" language of the United States is english-Maybe not the proper Queen's english but it is english. So why is it so terrible that a city within the recognized territory of a sovereign country (the U.S.) wants to have an official language. One that is already spoken by the general public, and one which is most likely to be understood to be the "official" language anyway?

ranger73 8 years, 1 month ago

Also-why is it so terrible that if people want to reside/work in this country, they have a valid Visa/Green Card etc. before they are able to do so? Is that not the case if a U.S. citizen goes abroad? Don't they have to have a valid passport/work/student visa? And what happens if they don't? Do other countries allow this? Having never traveled overseas to other countries, I ask these questions in all seriousness. I have had friends that have been declared persona non grata and put on a plane because their visas expired-thus the questions-

drewdun 8 years, 1 month ago

Right-wingers don't like brown people.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

Typical drewdumb

"Right-wingers don't like brown people."

It seems as if "left-wingers don't like them either"

And just HOW MANY "conservative" Democrats WON on opposing illegal immigration?

Well that happened in AZ, as well as 27 house seats and 5 senate seats all won by Democrats.

ALL DEMS! Running on opposing illegal immigration.

You are going to have to purge your party!

As drewdumb head started to "debate" by trying to spin the argument into "race" which it is not.

IF there are any racists, it is on the latino and hispanic side. What the hell do you think "VIVA LA RAZA" means? You probably think it means "can we get along" which it doesn't. It means "gringos are hated" and you need to give the land back to Mexico.

Screw that.

www.wehategringos.com

go ther it is like the

wwwobsessionthemovie.com

muslims and latinos seem to hate Americans...

but they LOVE coming to America, and feel that they belong here are to have a say in how the country is run.

SpeedRacer 8 years, 1 month ago

With the promotion of "cultural diversity" the United States has very little to unite unite it culturally except it's language. According to statistics, 89% of the population speak English as a first language, almost 100% speak it regularly (including the illegals). Only .8% of the population does not speak English at all. I believe that most of the arguments to make English the official language are racially and ethnically motivated..English is already the de facto official language, and any immigrant to the U.S. already knows that mastery of the language is necessary to succeed in our society.

I remember an urban legend about how English beat out German as the official language by one vote. This is a myth, but I read an interesting essay about the arguments at the time to eradicate German from American usage. www.watzmann.net/scg/german-by-one-vo...

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

"100% speak it regularly (including the illegals). "

That is BS speedracer. IF that is true then why is there such resistance to the english being made the official language?

Go down to Texas and Arizopna, most of the illegals just got here, and do not speak a lick of english. MOST of the illegals cannot read or write spanish, they can only speak spanish.

In California the souther part only 69% spoke any english at all, and 40 percent in LA speak only theri mother language.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==

"I believe that most of the arguments to make English the official language are racially and ethnically motivated"

What a bueat'! You can also believe that the moon is green cheese, it don't make it fact!

What an uninformed person you are.

GO live in a different country for say a year. TRY, JUST TRY to work there. IN NO OTHER country will they let you even think about work. GO down to Texas and Arizona, and see what it is like there.

YOU have NO clue what you are talking about speed racer.

In these areas it is 10 to 100 times worse than it is in Wichita. And I bet you make it down to the strip area on Kellog and down to broadway quite a bit don't you?

Next time you have a thought... just let it go!

Bone777 8 years, 1 month ago

Speedracer - nice numbers. I would say that those are accurate among legal/documented immigrants.

What a bogus statistic. I have lived in communities with large immigrant populations and there are large number of Spanish-only speakers. The schools have full classrooms of Spanish-only speakers. If this .8% were accurate, I would not think that places like Wal-mart would see a need to reach out and touch that limited fraction of a percentage by printing the signs in English and Spanish.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

"I would not think that places like Wal-mart would see a need to reach out and touch that limited fraction of a percentage by printing the signs in English and Spanish."

Actually go out to Dodge City. You will see Vietnamese and Spanish. NOw remember the Vietnamese were brought over from the refugees at the end of that war. ANd some STILL do not speak english as a primary language or at all. As for the Spanish, well.

It takes at least a generation. With illegal aliens coming in here all the time, we never get over the hump and always have a new set awaiting the next generation to learn english.

I think our children of citizens are also getting sick of this. All the spanish things that wereso cool aren't anymore. That is the demograhpics with the spending. Seems that the cool spanish stuff is so over and no longer the fad.

It seems as if it is cool to be American, patriotic, and talk appropriately.

SpeedRacer 8 years, 1 month ago

According to the most recent U.S. Census statistics, 2.6 million hispanics speak only Spanish. I am not aware that they exclude illegal aliens. Having lived 10 years in Los Angeles, I am aware that there is a large population of Spanish speaking people, but most spoke some English; many preferred to feign ignorance of the language for whatever reason.

ranger73 8 years, 1 month ago

Ok so no one seems to be interested in answering my questions- Agnostick-I agree with you on the national anthem-THAT is something that does not and should not be changed. Let's see how that would fly in any other country... Don't think so.

Bone777 8 years, 1 month ago

I speak some Spanish, but I can't communicate effectively. So, I would not think that I should be included in any statistics regarding my Spanish speaking skills.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

"According to the most recent U.S. Census statistics, 2.6 million hispanics speak only Spanish. I am not aware that they exclude illegal aliens."

The Census CANNOT include illegal aliens. They would have to reveal that they are illegal and then the ICE would know just where to show up.

That is a dumb and stupid argument speedracer.

Ask how many cops or ICE agents how many of the illegals know english when they get caught.

Funny thing when they talk in that situation it is "no abla englase"!

Or at a work site to get them to tell them whom hired them or what their SSN is. You get the same answer.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

Besides if the illegal aliens told the truth to the Census takers. the average hispanic household would be 40 or so and the actual population of hispanics would be about ten times higher than the present count.

If you are gonna use number use defensible ones.

loco1171 8 years, 1 month ago

I was raised in the great state of Texas and I am ashamed of the mentality of the people in this Texas town. This is a free country and a person should have the right to succeed or fail. I believe if you want to make it in this country and better yourself then learn the language, It should be your choice. That is fredom my people. My grandfather busted his tail on the farmlands of Texas, he was not forced to learn the language ,he chose to. Remember the values America was built on. Our country must move to the future and not repeat history.

SpeedRacer 8 years, 1 month ago

ASBESTOS, you are entitled to post your opinions, but your habit of insulting every other poster is getting obnoxious.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 1 month ago

From the speedracer:

"ASBESTOS, you are entitled to post your opinions, but your habit of insulting every other poster is getting obnoxious."

Look if you put stupid things on a post, I M sorry but people are gonna call you on it. Additionally calling people on BS is NOT insulting.

What I find insulting is intellectually dishonest people such as yourself posting clearly misleading statments and misapplied "facts" and try to argue your side of the point with the wrong facts.

If you think that is ME insulting you you have some weird denial complex. If you come here to post do not expect to be called on BS if that is what you post!

You don;t like it, don't post.

UKjunglist 8 years, 1 month ago

I am moving to EUROPE. where culture, civilization and PEOPLE are much more intelligent and liberal than this F*** UP country we live in !!!!

SEEE YA ADIOS AMIGOS !!!

Oregonian 8 years, 1 month ago

Farmers Branch, Texas, you have my support as a law abiding citizen who salutes you for working to unite our nation by formalizing at a local level the decision made by our founding fathers that English is to be the language of our nation. May others follow your lead!

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