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U.S. vetoes U.N. resolution condemning Israeli offensive

November 12, 2006

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— The United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council draft resolution Saturday that sought to condemn an Israeli military offensive in the Gaza Strip and demand Israeli troops pull out of the territory.

U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said the Arab-backed draft resolution was "biased against Israel and politically motivated."

"This resolution does not display an evenhanded characterization of the recent events in Gaza, nor does it advance the cause of Israeli-Palestinian peace to which we aspire and for which we are working assiduously," he told the Security Council.

The veto unleashed a flurry of criticism in the Middle East.

"This decision by the U.S. government gives unlimited cover to commit more massacres of innocent Palestinians," said Ghazi Hamad, spokesman for the Hamas-led Palestinian government. "This is a shame on the American administration, which says it is trying to promote human rights and democracy in the Middle East."

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, however, the draft resolution would have aggravated the situation in Gaza because it contained "inflammatory and unnecessary language."

"We do not believe the resolution was designed to contribute to the cause of peace," she said in a statement.

In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev agreed the draft was one-sided. "It's good that it wasn't accepted by the Security Council," he said.

The draft received 10 votes in favor and four abstentions, along with the U.S. vote against. Britain, Denmark, Japan and Slovakia all abstained. The U.S. is one of five permanent members of the council that have the power to veto resolutions.

It was the second U.S. veto this year of a Security Council draft resolution concerning Israeli military operations in Gaza. The U.S. blocked action on a document this summer after Israel launched its offensive in response to the capture of an Israeli soldier by Hamas-linked Palestinian militants.

Israel has expressed regret for the loss of life in Beit Hanoun but said it will continue operations to stop militants from launching rockets into Israel. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is scheduled to visit Washington today to meet with President Bush.

Qatar's U.N. Ambassador Nassir Al-Nasser warned in the Security Council meeting that the failure of the body to act on the draft would lead to more Israeli violence against Palestinians.

"Any lukewarm reaction or response on our part gives the impression we are shirking from our humanitarian responsibilities," said Al-Nasser, who sponsored the resolution on behalf of the Palestinians. Qatar is the only Arab nation on the council.

Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa said the veto "will only increase the anger" toward Israel, and Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit accused the Security Council of "turning a blind eye to Israeli acts in Gaza."

The Arab League was planning to hold an emergency meeting of foreign ministers in Cairo, Egypt, today to decide how to respond the latest Israeli offensive.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

"Impartiality is a pompous name for indifference, which is an elegant name for ignorance." G.K. Chesterton

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

Xenophonschild,

I've scanned this forum on many occasion and refused to join because of the nasty exchanges that take place over mere opinions. I was easily entangled in this activity which now surprises me. If I could redact my last post I would change the tone to one of humble disagreement.

The bickering and partisanship really should cease. It is insidious and counter productive to the exchange of ideas and the sharing of opinions.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

Xenophonschild writes:

Culture: When you insult Durant as "anti-religous," you lose all credibility. He a great historian, perhaps the greatest, and for you to denigrate him is specious nonsense:.. He discussed the Byzantine Empire at length - perhaps you should read his work on the Renaissance and the religious nuances of the Eastern and Western churches.


Xenophonschild,

Read his work on the Renaissance? Why would I attribute a period of time from the 14th Century to the 16th Century when the precipitating actions of the Turks in the 10th an 11th Century were the source of conflict? Even the 8th and 9th Centuries? You are 3 or 4 Centuries off the mark. Later crusades were organized to continue the fight against the Turk.

Insult Durant? Do you really know what you're talking about? Will Durant left the Catholic Church and embraced humanism. His work was biased and his wife admitted as much. I did not insult Durant, merely observed what he himself acknowledged as a major criticism of his work.

Durant the greatest historian?

"Durant employed a narrative writing style he called "integral" history::.These efforts were scorned by many academic historians, who accused them of shoddy scholarship and an over-reliance on secondary sources. One particularly blistering review said that in their books the Durants attempted "to reduce everything to a softminded pulp." http://www.willdurant.com/rehro.htm

Durant took a wide swath at history. He touched the surface. He is not infallible. I am a fan of Durant's and find his books very easy to read and generally applicable to the study of history.

Your attempt to just "toss" a name out and "cite" a few titles to gain some form of credibility is a direct attempt to mask a lack of confidence in the material under discussion.

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Pilgrim 7 years, 5 months ago

Posted by xenophonschild (anonymous) on November 13, 2006 at 12:11 p.m.

It is past time we cease support for such supercilious elitists.


So we can support the supercilious elitists you worship. Right xenofelon?

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Racism? I think not.

I have a long history of posting my disdain for all the old sky-god religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism), and particularly for those who give their loyalty to these tired, pathetic excuses for god-creation myths.

If there is a god - a sublime abstraction much, much too complex for us to understand - these man-made stories are blasphemies against it.

Israel is wrong, and we pay too heavy a price to support it.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Xeno's posts are merely one example of why I kick and scream bloody murder when some of the idiots around here accuse ME of "racism".

Morons don't even know the meaning of the word!

Thanks.

Marion.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

All in favor of changing xeno's suffix to 'phobe', raise your hands.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

xenophonschild--Before you lump all religions into the same basket one more time, read my last posting. Either you're missing it or you're ignoring it, but one or the other must be true. Either way, it renders your 12:11 post pretty foolish.

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couranna1 7 years, 5 months ago

Every religion has as its' central theme that they are the ones god digs the most. Ever listen to a fundamentalist christian You don't think they aren't elitists? Part of this veto was about we have to keep the focus on who we want Iraq and Iran right now and if we say publicly Israel screwed up we have to take some action so I would bet we did it privately or will be done when PM comes

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Culture:

When you insult Durant as "anti-religous," you lose all credibility. He a great historian, perhaps the greatest, and for you to denigrate him is specious nonsense.

He discussed the Byzantine Empire at length - perhaps you should read his work on the Renaissance and the religious nuances of the Eastern and Western churches.

That they are the Chosen People of God is a central tenet of the Jewish faith; for anyone to infer differently is disingenuous. Jews think they are better than others because of their religion and religious/cultural history. It is past time we cease support for such supercilious elitists.

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couranna1 7 years, 5 months ago

Israel does believe that it is above the law of what is right and wrong. Does the fact that the LAPD beat the snot of Rodney King allow him to break the law with impunity for the rest of his life with no consequences. I don't think so nor should it be.

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couranna1 7 years, 5 months ago

The problem is when Israel and another country do the exact same thing and we condemn the other country and not Israel or we diplomatically ask them not to do it again and they tell us to shut up or ignore us. Israel is our buddy and an ally in an area where we have none we can rely on so we are willing to overlook it. We do the same thing with England and their occupation of Northern Ireland. The freedom fighters of the IRA attack military from England and are condemned as terrorists but they are fighting for their freedom I live here as a result of that battle, that war for freedom. The holocaust was a horrific thing and yes we should take steps to ensure it never happens again whether they are Jew, Irish (my Grandfather was Catholic, IRA, and a great man who looked at St Patrick as a murderer) Arab, African or any one else. This is not about that It is about what is right and wrong Free Northern Ireland!!!

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Laura 7 years, 5 months ago

Xeno said, "American Jews should take the lead in steering a new course for America inre Israel. If their primary loyalty is to the United States - and not Israel - they should recognize the weight of negatives America bears needlessly for Israel, and allow us to withdraw our support for the Jewish state."

I am loyal to the United States, but recognize that in the event of another Holocaust, loyalty to Israel is necessary to my very existence. Jews learn the hard way that we cannot depend on even our countries of birth to defend us and make sure we're not put in cattle cars or turned away in our ships as we attempt to dock on "safe" shores.

I am not going to get dragged into this fight again. That's it folks, from the Jewish contingent.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

"You are a moron. That's why your side lost. People who think like you are not very bright."-Scenebooster

That was very hurtful; please take it back.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

Offhand, I'd say that the Mid East leader most likely to embark on a "Final Solution" misadventure would be the president of Iran.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

In his Farewell Address, Washington defined independence in a single sentence: "It is our true policy to steer clear of any permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."

Jefferson echoed Washington's statement, declaring America's policy to be one of "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none."

In 1778 the U.S. had an alliance with France. Adams severed that alliance and we did not enter into a permanent alliance again until NATO (1949). Over 150 years it served us as a benchmark of strength.

We entered both world wars late because we were not entangled in an alliance. After the first world war we rejected the treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations. We emerged the greatest nation while the nations of Europe were in ruin.

Second World War we again entered late, we shaped the world with our might and finished the war entangled in the UN, NATO, ANZUS and a myriad of other treaties, both defense and economic. We were once the greatest creditor nation until we made alliances and began a social welfare state. Now we are the greatest debtors the world has ever known.

The U.S. today is dependent on foreign fuel, foreign goods, foreign loans and foreign allies more so than it has ever been. Our worldwide commitments have never been greater, nor has our national debt.

Our leaders (Democrat/Republican) still seek to shackle America ever more deeply in global institutions from the WTO to the U.N. to NAFTA.

Our relationship with Israel is not a legal treaty per se, rather it is a moral commitment that has the same entangling effects of any legal treaty.

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cowgomoo 7 years, 5 months ago

Posted by Culture_Warrior (anonymous) on November 12, 2006 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...

"Our relationship with Israel is an entanglement our founding fathers knew well enough to stay away from."


Come again?

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Try this and learn about how Jordan REALLY takes care of the Palestinians:

http://www.imemc.org/content/view/22103/182/

This is only the tip of the iceberg!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

xenophonschild--I'm guessing your understanding of Jewish theology is, at best, incomplete. Jews do believe that they are God's chosen people, chosen to receive the commandments and the law. Jews do not believe that the law applies to anyone else though. The idea of an afterlife in Judaism is hazy at best, but whatever rewards are available to Jews are also available to everyone else. Read up on the Noahide laws. There are seven of them and all but one of them are negative laws ("don't do __"). None of them require adherence to a faith, none of them require belief in God. The "chosen people" distinction in Judaism is one that sets Jews apart from, but not above, the world. Christianity's chosenness and Islam's chosenness operate very differently. Rather than lump all religions in together as you are wont to do, try your hand at studying something, learning something, and not being an ignorant bigot.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

Xenophonschild, I have Durant's books. I find them lacking in that Durant was a philosopher first and an historian second. His writing has a definitive anti-Christian slant. "The Case for India" is severely lacking as most English authorities pointed out in the 1930s.

In his analysis of the crusades he places too much emphasis upon the internal politics of the western emerging nations and leaves out the religious foundations that foster a desire to assist the Byzantine Empire. On the Byzantine Empire he has written very little in the way of encroachments by the Turks. Why? Because most of the western records were destroyed. Most accounts lost. His speculations are decidedly anti religious which has been his most criticized problem.

The Mongol "devastation" was short in the historical sense. It created a vacuum that allowed the Muslim to fill. More of an advantage than disadvantage.

Your attempt at marginalizing my "understanding" of history is an attempt to inflate your own understanding. Do you lack confidence in your knowledge of history? Do you rely too much on Durant and have failed to gain a thorough knowledge of history. These little games are quite childish when the post is 3000 characters or less. Recommend you avoid the games and attempt to engage in discussion.

Modern Israel will not go away. The Arab nations that stole Palestinian land need to return it. Palestinians living in Israel enjoy a much higher standard of living. They are allowed to vote and run for public office.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Culture:

Your understanding of history - both Western European and Mid-East - has wide, gaping holes in it. Instead of googling for your information, I suggest you read Durant, The Story of Civilization - IV, The Age of Faith, in its entirety - as I have three or four times - and focus on Chapter XXIII - The Crusades: 1095-1291.

Sometime, when you have a free moment or two, you might also consider the ramifications of the Mongol devastation on Islam at the end of the 13th century.

But let us not wander too far from our basic premise. It is past time for the United States to begin shifting our support from Israel to Palestinians. We should encourage Israelis to treat Palestinians as equals, to give them back their land and, perhaps more importantly, their water. We should encourage Israelis to emigrate to America, where they would be welcome additions to the intellectual, artistic and financial nuances of our country.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

Xenophonschild,

The Muslim was the first to "Crusade". Muslim Armies swept across Nothern Africa wiping out Christian and Jewish communities. Those that weren't killed were sold as slaves. They crossed into Spain and their path of destruction was halted by a Frenchman named Charles Martel (The Hammer). The Muslims next "Crusade" was east of Mecca. They destroyed the Persians, a large Jewish community and Christian community wiped out. Manichaeism was virtually wiped from the earth. Muslim armies pushed through to modern day Pakistan.

Byzantine emporer Alexius I Comnenus asked for help in the 11th Century because of constant warfare on his border with the Muslims.

The fallacy of many anti-westerners is that the Crusades were some made up adventure to kill muslims for sport. It was not, they were defensive measures for the survival of western europe.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Yes, of course, pogroms against Jews are terrible - have been for long before the Galilean was born. The latest holocaust was a stain on Western civilization that doesn't compare with what the Crusdaders, Russians, or Spanish did to Jews over the last millenium.

But that they were horribly victimized give them the right to treat Arab Muslims the same way the Nazis treated them?

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Xenonazi:

Kristallnacht, "The Night of Broken Glass" was 68 years ago on the 10th of this month.

You posts show that we have not come far.

No, I am not a Jew; merely a Shabbas Goy.

I will not forget.

And neither will millions of others.

Ya know, I don't like tattoos as such but there might be one worth having.

Just go here:

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Resources/Curriculum/Auschwitz_Tattooing/auschwitz_tattooing.html

Pick a number and have it tattooed on your left forearm.

I might just do that myself.

Maybe I can find the number of my relative; the Doctor in Regensburg; the H+++, the Jew, the Untermensch.

He survived, Herr Professor Doctor Josef von Du Gäst; a man of questionable ancestry, having lived in the Alsace and besides being a H+++, he married one of those non-pork eaters!

The kids were pure H+++ and three of the four were killed in the camps.

The fourth was able to run away when the Gestapo came and "passed" himself as an Aryan, even being drafted by the Waffen SS.

This happened more than you might suspect or know about, what with your dismal views and understanding of history.

The Good Professor has passed on but the son still lives and is active in local politics and government.

He, like his Father, is a Doctor of sorts; a Rabbi.

I recently sent him an album from Kinky Freidman And The Texas Jewboys; signed by all members of the group.

You would ignite the ovens again if you could.

Your thoughts on "dissipation" are nothing but thoughts and plans for a new version of the Final Solution.

Some of us will not forget and we will not allow it to happen again.

Thanks.

Marion.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Marion:

I readily confess to extreme skepticism about a religion that holds a central tenet that its adherents are "The Chosen People of God," while everyone else is . . . not.

The process by which this concept became cemented in Jewish doctrine and ideology is understandable - they were decimated by foreigners, their kings failed them, they had to use their religion to maintain their cultural and racial identity - but not entirely praiseworthy. Judaism is the second-most repugnant sky-god religion (Islam is first, Christianity third) and anything that dilutes and dissipates their religion is a good thing.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Xeno:

Thank for proving my statement regarding "Anti-Jewish" feelings around here.

Had your comment not been motivated by Anti-Jewish beliefs, you would have called the referenced site "ISRAELI" propaganda, not JEWISH propanda.

The prosecution rests.

Thanks.

Marion.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Marion:

You citation is Jewish propaganda. It does not address what Israelis did during and after the '48 war to deprive Palestinians of their land.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Bubaruba:

Good post. A challenge for Democrats will be to forge a new approach to dealing with Palestinians, one independent of blanket support for Israel.

I suggest you all extend a measure of understanding to right-thinker. He was mentored on this site by an evil fascist and has yet to cleanse his palate of the wretch's poison.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Take a look at this for a good overview of the history of the "Palestinian Problem":

http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp

Thanks.

Marion.

PS:

By the way, I stand by my statement that many around here are anti-Jew.

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scenebooster 7 years, 5 months ago

"You mean like the truth that murderous, barbaric, nomadic got-nothin'-to-lose Arabs are gonna keep on killing westerners and disrupting or economy, our infrastructure and our way of life?"

Hey, way to slander a whole race of people. Surely you can verify that statement...

You are a moron. That's why your side lost. People who think like you are not very bright.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

""International mandate" - who were those demigods who could so cavalierly take land from Palestinians and "give" it to Jews?"

The same ones who spent the better part of the 18th and 19th centuries cutting the world up. Did they do it well? The evidence points overwhelmingly to "no". Would abandoning Israel in some way correct that? Of course not.

The refugee camps, by the way, are an indictment of both Israel and the rest of the Arab world. The Palestinians were refused emigration to all other Arab states even as they were mistreated in Israel.

As for the Jewish opinion on the subject, both in Israel and in the US, it's pretty strongly in favor of a peaceful, two-state solution. The only thing standing in the way of that solution is Palestinian terrorism (usually sponsored by Arab countries), right-wing Jewish militants in Israel (frequently emigres from the US), and politico-religious fanatics in the US (overwhelmingly Christian).

Finally, despite Marion's endorsement of my post, I don't second his labeling of anyone as "anti-Jew", nor do I endorse right_thinker's blatantly racist characterization of Arab terrorists.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

Palestinians were not forced from their land. Most left because they were directed by Muslim clerics and Arab nationalists. Palestinians were also granted a "homeland" in the UN mandate. The Arab nations used it as a land grab and told the Palestinians their land was in Israel.

The refugee camps have been used as a slum to create conditions favorable for Arab powers to direct Palestinian anger toward Israel. Much like the USA and inner city federal housing projects. The Democrats have used the plight of poor blacks to create a dependency upon government handouts that favors support for their party.

Israel is an ally? They have spied on us, they have attacked our ships in the Mediterranean, and they have sold weapons to countries (our technology) against our policies.

Our relationship with Israel is an entanglement our founding fathers knew well enough to stay away from.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

"Some who post on this site simply don't know, or refuse to accept, the truth."-xenophonschild

You mean like the truth that murderous, barbaric, nomadic got-nothin'-to-lose Arabs are gonna keep on killing westerners and disrupting or economy, our infrastructure and our way of life?

Some who post on this site need to take a closer look at our reality.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

"International mandate" - who were those demigods who could so cavalierly take land from Palestinians and "give" it to Jews?

"International mandate" is not a credible excuse for Israeli thievery during and after the '48 war. Innocent Palestinians were stampeded by war - like civilian populations since the beginning of time - but, when the crisis passed and they tried to return to their homes, businesses, schools, farms, and lives, Israelis prevented them from doing so, herding them into refugee camps that are nothing less than indictments of the Jewish state.

It is not necessary to be "anti" anything, as long as you are pro-truth. Some who post on this site simply don't know, or refuse to accept, the truth.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Bubarubu:

Thank you for your insightful and very correct post.

The UN Mandate is convieniently forgotten by those who are not "anti-Semitic" but rather anti-Jew.

Thanks.

Marion.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

"If Israel had not stolen most of the land that comprises their nation today, there would be no war with Palestinians."

Ignoring the blatant ignorance in this statement is well nigh impossible. Israel was created (with the majority of the land that now comprises it) by international mandate. Over the course of 60 years, Israel has repeatedly captured land in wars fought in response to Arab aggression. Most of the land has been handed back to the Arab states who originally attacked Israel. Israel (and the British before them) made and continue to make mistakes with regard to Palestinians, Gaza, and the West Bank. Those mistakes should be criticized by the international community in a way that respects both Israel's right to exist and the Palestinians' right to self-governance and prosperity. But those mistakes no more dejustify their existence than the American practice of stealing (and keeping) land from Native Americans and killing them dejustifies the existence of the United States.

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Culture_Warrior 7 years, 5 months ago

Is seizing two citizens (soldiers) by raiding sovereign territory and taking those citizens hostage, refusing to negotiate in good faith and shooting rockets into your civilian population centers considered a charitable act now?

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

If Israel had not stolen most of the land that comprises their nation today, there would be no war with Palestinians.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

July 30, 2006: "Some 150 rockets were fired from the Lebanese village of Qana over the past 20 days, Air Force Chief of Staff Brig.-Gen. Amir Eshel said on Sunday evening. Speaking to reporters, Eshel added that Hizbullah rocket launchers were hidden in civilian buildings in the village. He proceeded to show video footage of rocket launchers being driven into the village following launches." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153292030858&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Omert is meeting with Bush to discuss the ramifications of the recent election for Israel; this is the time for Democrats to begin withdrawing support for Israel, particularly Israeli offensives in Gaza and Lebanon.

More people are beginning to understand that it is the American businessman and American consumer products that are the best salesmen for American morals, values, and political change overseas. Soldiers and hacks for Kellog, Brown are effective only in the short term; long-term, we need a stable environment to sell our products in the Muslim world.

As long as we blindly support Israel in its aggression against Palestinian women and children, we will be viewed as enemies by too many in the Muslim world - and be shut out of their markets for generations.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

ASBESTOS, check your math. 5:1 would be about 15%, which would be significantly below the average I posted. More importantly, I wasn't disputing the claim you were making. The overall point is that Jewish votes skew heavily Democratic. I just think that the argument (as with all arguments) is best made when its supported. I was responding more to the call for support than disputing you.

The 60% over all elections is pretty consistent when you consider the size/type of election. In smaller races, Jews tend to vote more Republican. That's not entirely surprising since Jewish populations are concentrated in urban areas. Republicans running for office in urban areas tend to be more moderate because urban areas trend farther left than rural/suburban areas. So, where a conservative Republican would have serious trouble winning a mayoral race in New York City, Rudy Giuliani is able to win and get a lot of Jewish support in the process.

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 5 months ago

Go to "Real Clear Politics", and check on exit polling.

"asbestos, can you provide a link or valid source for that statement?"

"GOP presidential candidates average 18% of the Jewish vote. Bush got 19% in 2000. Congressional races throughout the 1990's saw 73% of the Jewish vote going Democrat. Averaged over all elections, Jewish votes go Democrat 60-75%."

as stated I said 5:1, that is less than 18% and 19%.

As for the 73% in congressional races that is about right or a 4:1 ratio, but STILL in favor of the Dems. Averaged over all elections, well that 60% seems a little low. COuld be true, but I would want to see several studies or polls of it before I believed it. Voters are pretty consistent, I think it is in the 75-80% range, with the polling I have seen. But Jewis votes ARE that one sided by your own data.

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As for the opinion of Michelle. I have to agree Carville is a looney, and is sidekick Begala. Can these guys go anywhere on their own?? They have to show up together ALL THE TIME. It creeps me out the way they act.

They have to be in the majority all the time on a talk show, and then there is usually 2 shouting down one, ad in CNN "News Coverage" on election night. They are NOT a news organization, they are cheerleaders for liberals 1st, and second democrats. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You do need to watch O'Rieley. He really is "no spin". You won;t accept that, but he is.

And Fox "looks" like it is "Conservative" because it has equal sides for equal times. That is "fair and ballanced". It only looks biased because all the media outlets are liberals.

That is why we need Michelle. SHe is a bullwork against most of the BS.

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shadower 7 years, 5 months ago

Well. can't compare her to o'reilly. never got desperate enough to watch him, or for that matter anything on fox. same reason, I don't listen to the druggie or air america when it was on.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

"Too much shrillness." -shadower

Hilarious, thanks for the laugh!! That would be mostly from your side, shadower.

Michelle used to get REALLY carried away and made this horrible scowling face when she was driving an anti-liberal point home....like on O'Reilly--remember? I think her handlers made her watch some tapes and she's since stopped with the face.....one of those little things you notice. Like Carville---back when Willy was getting strung up, Carville would get mad and I swear, he looked like a rattlesnake getting ready to strike! Creepy.

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shadower 7 years, 5 months ago

print subscription, they have home delivery. Don't really notice pictures, just content. actually enjoy Molly Ivins more. Only picture I notice is Michelle Malkin and that is a real turnoff, along with her extremist ranting. actually stopped reading anything by her about 6 months ago. Too much shrillness.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

Jewish votes aren't quite that one-sided. Except for Reagan's re-elect (and Bush's, I don't have data there), GOP presidential candidates average 18% of the Jewish vote. Bush got 19% in 2000. Congressional races throughout the 1990's saw 73% of the Jewish vote going Democrat. Averaged over all elections, Jewish votes go Democrat 60-75%. http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp509.htm

When Jews vote for Republicans, they vote for socially moderate candidates. More and more often, when Jews vote for Democrats, they vote for conservative Democrats. Still, they overwhelmingly vote Democratic. Friedman, American Jewish History 91.3-4 (2003) 423-438

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

Shadower, too much hassle.....you mean a print subscription or just pick one up whenever? I dont' even remember how much the on-line thing cost?

Do you like Maureen Dowds' pcs? Dear lord she hates W and males in general, not a bad looking lady though, too bad.

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shadower 7 years, 5 months ago

asbestos, can you provide a link or valid source for that statement?

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 5 months ago

"American Jews should take the lead in steering a new course for America inre Israel. If their primary loyalty is to the United States - and not Israel - they should recognize the weight of negatives America bears needlessly for Israel, and allow us to withdraw our support for the Jewish state."

Be careful there xeno, the "American Jews" vote for the Dems on a 5:1 ratio.

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shadower 7 years, 5 months ago

Why not simply buy print edition as I do?

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 5 months ago

"NYTimes requires free registration, but you don't get spammed, etc" -shadower

What a cheapskate! I have the "premium" package--so I can read the great far-left editorials by Paul Krugman and Maureen Dowd.

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Bubarubu 7 years, 5 months ago

Our support is Israel is both principled and one-sided. We support Israel, not just for religious reasons that I agree are a piss-poor way to run foreign policy, but because they are a liberal democracy and the only one in that region. That said, we should be criticizing Israel when they engage in unwarranted or disproportional attacks against civilian targets. When we do less than that, we damage the prospect of democracy or other forms of transparent/responsive/accountable government in the Middle East. I haven't read the resolution, but a better choice on the part of the US would have been to veto while also issuing a unilateral, principled criticism of Israeli actions.

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shadower 7 years, 5 months ago

This might help http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/12/world/middleeast/12nations.html?_r=1&oref=slogin NYTimes requires free registration, but you don't get spammed, etc

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jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm with Thornhill. Without the resolution itself to look at, this is all just yelling into the wind.

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xenophonschild 7 years, 5 months ago

Why do we continue to support Israel?

The evangelicals drool over their bibles and watch expectantly for their dead Galilean to bring the "rapture" in the wake of Israeli struggles in the Mid-East. Bible-thumpers have been slapped down - at least for a while - and we need to rethink our support for a nation of thieves who essentially treat Palestinians the way Nazis used to treat them.

American Jews should take the lead in steering a new course for America inre Israel. If their primary loyalty is to the United States - and not Israel - they should recognize the weight of negatives America bears needlessly for Israel, and allow us to withdraw our support for the Jewish state.

Ideally, a rational foreign policy is predicated on a country's best interests. Our long-standing relationship with Israel is more or less a one-way affair, with us carrying the load for a country that should not exist.

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roger_o_thornhill 7 years, 5 months ago

Why can't an artilce like this include a link to be able to read the actual resolution. On it's face, it looks like more blind support for Israel in order to appease collective guilt for slow action in WWII. ( I mean even W's family did business w/Nazis until the govt. stepped in in like '42 or something like that. That's a lotta guilt to assuage.) Anyways, like I said, it SEEMS like that, but who know since the UN resolution isn't here to examine. Maybe it was "biased" and "politicially motivated", but how do we know? Should we trust Bolton and Rice? I always heard you can't trust anyone with a moustache.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 5 months ago

Bolton and Condi love babies-- especially dead, Palestinian babies.

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