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Concealed carry bill advanced

March 13, 2006

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House members today advanced a bill that would allow Kansans to carry concealed guns.

The measure, forwarded on a voice vote, requires another vote in the House, which will be made Tuesday.

It is expected to pass, and then would go back to the Senate for consideration of changes made to the bill in a House committee.

The Senate sponsor, Phil Journey, R-Haysville, said he would ask the Senate to accept the House changes. If the Senate agreed, the measure would be sent to Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, who vetoed a similar bill in 2004

Supporters of the bill, led by Rep. Candy Ruff, D-Leavenworth, hope to persuade a few more legislators to vote for the measure to override another possible veto.

Under the bill, Kansans who are 21 or older and U.S. citizens could obtain a four-year concealed carry permit by filling out an application with the local sheriff and paying a fee of up to $150.

The attorney general's office would issue the permits after conducting background checks to eliminate those with a felony record, a history of mental illness, drug or alcohol addiction, or a physical infirmity that would prevent safe handling of a weapon.

Permit applicants would be required to complete an eight-hour safety and training course by a firearms instructor certified by the attorney general or the National Rifle Assn.

Comments

xenophonschild 8 years, 9 months ago

Arminius:

"From what I've seen here, your ammo box became empty years ago." (?)

Bottom line, who really wants to kill another human being? And, if so, for what? If someone's trying to rape your wife or harm your children, fine, but what about the guy who braces you for a couple of bucks? You going to blow him away after he pulls a knife?

Reality is, you pull a gun, you better be ready to use it. I suspect some of you would get bitch-slapped, your gun taken from you, and perhaps even used against you.

Especially you conservative Republican wannabee John Wayne tough-guys. Wheresmyshoes was right: let's impeach Bush, and hold on till we can get Hillary elected in 08, with William the Great as her chief advisor.

wheremyshoes 8 years, 9 months ago

How many trees will be cut down as a result of this legislation? Save a tree. Impeach Bush!

xenophonschild 8 years, 9 months ago

Were that all law-abiding citizens never experience any degree of emotional unheaval while they're packing. Suicide would probably be less of a concern if guns weren't so easily obtainable. And no one yet has commented on the mistakes that come with gun use - the accidental deaths and woundings.

We are not savages, and we do not live in a savage world . . . yet. This infatuation with guns - the John Wayne complex - is for juveniles and grown men who wear cowboy boots to work in an office and fantasize about blowing away the bad guys.

Grow up, and leave guns to those who must wear and use them.

xenophonschild 8 years, 9 months ago

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even when they're wrong, as so many of you obviously are. I hope Gov. Sebelius, a fellow liberal Democrat, will veto this legislation.

And I've been in many a tough spot before, unable to call the minions of the law, and depended on my wits and interpersonal skills to see me through. You all can and should do the same; it'll make you a better person, and a real cowboy, not some half-baked wannabee with a gun in his pocket.

Sigmund 8 years, 9 months ago

People who LEGALLY carry concealed weapons are predisposed to commit crimes? I really doubt it. People who illegally carry weapons, possibly. Although I do know a coed who carried a semi-auto .380 all 4 years at KU and she never committed a crime nor needed it to protect herself.

xenophonschild 8 years, 9 months ago

Let's take it up a level. Countries that strictly limit gun use and ownership have remarkably low rates of violent crime (Japan, Denmark, etc.). While your points are worthy, you neglect to note that the incidence of violent crime committed with guns is still very high in our country.

And yes, responsible people can generally be counted on to do the right thing, even with guns, but what about circumstances ostensibly beyond your control? A fender bender with an angry, abusive man; he goes to his car, maybe for a weapon. What do you do? Pull out your .44 and throw down on him?

No one mentioned the mistakes, the errors that lead to accidental gunshot wounds and deaths. Guns simply aren't worth it. We pay taxes to have armed, well-trained police provide law, order, and security. They should be enough.

Moderateguy 8 years, 9 months ago

Interesting timing. If Sebelius is smart, she'll sign this fairly popular legislation and make it a non-issue in the next election. Of course, i've never thought of her as smart. I am completely in favor of letting the law abiding citizens have a choice to be prepared. As always, people should be held responsible for their actions should they break the law. Hopefully the current version of the legislation is veto proof.

Todd 8 years, 9 months ago

In FL the firearm crime rate was significantly lower for CCW permit holders than the general population. Hmm... (FL has one of the older CCW programs in place)

Charles L Bloss Jr 8 years, 9 months ago

I am completely in favor of concealed carry in this state, as outlined in the bill. Kansas is one of only four states that does not have some form of concealed carry or gun permit. As usual, Kansas is behind the times. As far as Texas is concerned, they have had it for a number of years with very minimal problems. In States that have concealed carry, violent crime goes down. Thank you, Lynn

Todd 8 years, 9 months ago

You are entitled to your opinion of course. (xenophonschild)

Concealed carry allows people to legally carry weapons after going through a screening. (ie registration) This doesn't encourage weapons. Just like driver's licenses don't encourage automobiles.

xenophonschild 8 years, 9 months ago

This is wrong. Weapons should be strictly prohibited, not encouraged. Having a weapon predisposes the possessor to use it, instead of depending on alternatives and self-control.

This is Kansas and we are Kansans . . . not Texas.

ben_ness 8 years, 9 months ago

but what about the guy who braces you for a couple of bucks? You going to blow him away after he pulls a knife?

If you are carrying a concealed weapon, you are licensed to carry it, and you have the chance, yes you do blow him away. It is called either self defense or justifiable homicide. Too many criminals already carry concealed weapons and we can't fully control that. Law abiding citizens have the right to defend themselves and should have the right to legally carry a concealed weapon.

ben_ness 8 years, 9 months ago

Moderator - then the abortion doctors could arm themselves and historians could call it "The Abortion Wars".

Todd 8 years, 9 months ago

Legal use of deadly force is already on the books. Nothing changes with conceal weapon permits.

Here's what I don't get. Why are the people against concealed carry not 10x against illegal carry? Why be scared of law abiding people but not criminals? Perhaps it's just something they put out of their minds to sleep at night. Perhaps "good" people actually listen to their bitching.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 9 months ago

C-man said, "I'll be carrying when the law is passed. Might walk around KCK at night to get in some target practice. LOL."

Assuming your displays of emotional and mental instability on this board aren't just a form of internet performance art, the above statement shows why any law that would allow you a concealed carry permit is a very dangerously flawed law.

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