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Error will affect school official’s DUI case

June 2, 2006

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The omission of a deputy's signature on a form during the DUI arrest of a Lawrence High School assistant principal was a clerical error, according to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office.

The error means the state can't suspend assistant principal Jan Gentry's license pending the outcome of her criminal case, but she still could have it suspended if she is convicted of DUI.

Spokeswoman Lt. Kari Wempe said Thursday that supervisors at the sheriff's department have "reaffirmed with the officers that every report and form must be fully and accurately completed."

"Errors do happen, and when they're brought to our attention, we make sure everyone learns that lesson and we move forward," she said.

Wempe said she could not discuss whether any action was taken against the deputy who failed to sign the form because it was a personnel matter.

In Gentry's DUI arrest last month, the deputy failed to sign a piece of administrative paperwork that went to the Division of Motor Vehicles documenting Gentry's failure of a chemical test. Had the form been completed properly, the agency could have suspended Gentry's license for 30 days, starting 30 days after the incident, followed by a 330-day restricted driving period.

The same suspension period would apply if Gentry is convicted of DUI. She is scheduled to have a first appearance Monday in Douglas County District Court.

State law calls for a 30-day suspension for a DUI conviction, with credit given for any time they've already had their license suspended by the state DMV.

In many cases, however, first-time DUI offenders are allowed to enter a diversion program, according to District Court records. That means prosecutors agree to drop charges if they meet a set of conditions and stay out of trouble.

Gentry, 53, was arrested at 10:19 p.m. May 20 on U.S. Highway 56 about one-quarter mile from the Osage County line after a deputy stopped her for a lane violation. She was taken to the Douglas County Jail and later released on $250 bond.

Gentry said in an interview earlier this week that she did not know the arresting officer, identified by the sheriff's office as Bryon Revell.

The form that's sent to the state after a DUI arrest must be filled out at the time the deputy makes the arrest and is given to the arrested party, Wempe said. Only afterward is the form reviewed by supervisors, she said.

"When the paperwork comes through, if the signature isn't there : we can't go back and add it," she said. "We've all learned from this particular situation."

- Staff writer Dave Ranney contributed to this report.

Comments

Multidisciplinary 7 years, 10 months ago

Marion, I hadn't seen you link the posters name to RCT. I laughed so hard, that was great. Thanks.

Are you the one who uses my housekeeper too? Enjoyed the video...always afraid to open what people link to on here after that Scandanavian cover band from...wasn't that ACG? Too funny!

I'm wondering who the deputy was, wonder if I know him. Sounds like a pretty safe politically job saving move in this small town to me..."Oops, forgot, sorry."

Not saying they want drunk drivers on the road... but ... you know...some people are overlooked and given a stern look, just to keep this sort of uproar down.

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observer 7 years, 10 months ago

enforcer has a vendetta against Ms Gentry. Who knows why. Just that any and all lies, innuendo, slander, etc is allowed per enforcer. Just smear the lady and destroy her reputation. Obviously enforcer is perfect, therefore she can judge everyone. woof, woof. Marion, why????

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swbsow 7 years, 10 months ago

there were 4 students who posted

Out of those 4 only 1 said he was disappointed. Not the major

I don't really care because now she is going through the approppriate phases of justice thanks to the front page article of LJW

Who said she wasn't going through all the appropriate phases of judgement? No where in any of the articles did anything say she was going to get off "scott free". The deputy made an error on his form by not signing it. ANy other person would have been able to catch that break but now it is not possible for her to have the same opportunity as everyone else.

You have done a total smear job on her reputation without cause. You have slandered her name. You have no proof that she has any problems with alcohol barring this charge. You called her "drunk" & "hung over all the time". You posted her mug shot & made fun of her appearance. You have done this for no reason other than to be vindictive for whatever mean, petty small-minded reason that you have.

AND now you claim that all you wanted for her to go through the appropriate phases of justice??? A BIG FAT PUUUUUUHLLLLLLEEEEEASE here!

As a side note, I see your posts at all hours. Do you sleep? You do know that people have been know to have psychotic breakdowns from lack of sleep? Just concerned about your well-being. Go to bed. Rest up.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

Thirty one years later the new Journal World is still perpetrating the lie. Sorry I took up so much space with this article, but I just couldn't let it go unanswered. Kent State is oft remembered (and rightly so) but it should also be remembered that it was only one of many unnamed places where those who opposed racism, or the war, or, well you name your injustice, were shot and killed by the "authorities" who then went happily on their merry way. The truth should be known. Those were the days in Lawrence, Kansas USA 1970.


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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

People scattered. One person fell. (ed. Note - actually two persons were hit by police gunfire). When others tried to aid him, they were driven back with more tear gas. Nick Rice lay bleeding and dying on Oread Avenue, shot through the head. As usual, police claimed that it was sniper fire that killed him." An inquest which was held a few weeks later pretty clearly laid out exactly which officer fired the shot that killed Rice. Again from Vortex, "Stroud says he fired only once at long haired youth, missed. Nick Rice was standing directly in line with Stroud's shot. Stroud fired with a 9 millimeter bullet. Wound in Rice was 9 millimeter. The truth is loose and rampages through the courtroom. Like a naked man walking through the room screaming yet nobody says anything about it." Totally contradicting all of the evidence presented, the inquest amazingly concluded that Rice had been killed by unknown snipers firing from the other direction. That conclusion was absurd. Hundreds of witnesses (including yours truly) were there and saw or heard no snipers. There were no bullets found where these snipers bullets should have ended up. And why would snipers be out shooting Rice anyway. The inquests own evidence was absolutely contrary to that conclusion.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

[sixties-l] Police Killings In Lawrence, Kansas 1970 From: radman (resist@best.com) Date: Mon Jul 09 2001 - 16:18:46 EDT

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From: Randy redpoet@swbell.net Subject: Oread Daily July 9

July 9, 2001 redpoet@swbell.net Volume 2001.25

The Oread Daily is a Peoples Paper and is Responsible Only to the People (whoever they might be)

OREAD DAILY

POLICE KILLINGS IN LAWRENCE, KANSAS 1970

Later this summer there will be a "re-union" of activists from the 60s and 70s in Lawrence, Kansas, home of the University of Kansas. We re not going to get into that now. However, last week the Lawrence Journal World (which the old Oread Daily referred to more accurately as the "Urinal World") had a little "where are they now article" about the festivities. In the article we found the following, "Later that summer (1970), Lawrence officials imposed curfews after police shot and killed Rick Dowdell, a black teen-ager, on July 16. Four days later, Nick Rice, a white KU student from Overland Park, was killed by a stray bullet while standing outside the Gaslight Tavern, then at the corner of 13th and Oread." The Journal World s memory is similar to the Urinal World s coverage. Rick Dowdell was not just any black teenager (heck, cops shoot young black men all the time), he was an active member of the Kansas University Black Student Union, a son of a well known local black family, a man who carried a weapon because his life had been threatened by local police on more than one occasion. His killing occurred when police chased and stopped the vehicle in which he was riding after spotting it leaving Afro House. As the Oread Daily

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

marion hasn't done anything wrong, get over yourself

you only wish you were half the man Marion is, get a better line, this one just makes you look ignorant.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

Hey Marion! Give enforcer the rim job you owe him/her for backing you up on this ridiculous stream of posts and lets move on!

swbsow - thanks for keeping your head clear and being the voice of reason.

Marions already f'd this up - let's move on!

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

there were 4 students who posted, I don't really care because now she is going through the approppriate phases of justice thanks to the front page article of LJW and she will need to address the consequences that come with her poor choices. That is what I said needed to happen all along, I still feel from my observations over time there is more, but that is on her,

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swbsow 7 years, 10 months ago

She does look hung over all the time, blotchy red complextion, dark circles blood shot eyes, blah blah... look at the mug shot , then recall the alcohol content that registered. Social drinkers do not drink to oblivian. You can read up on it. ======================================== From what I've heard you're no portrait of beauty yourself. So everyone who has blotchy red skin (roscea), dark circles (allergies or exhaustion), blood shot eyes (allergies) are drunks? I guess the majority of new mothers in this town are drunk & hung over all the time.

Social drinkers do drink to oblivion sometimes. Not all DUIs are raging alcoholics. Sometimes it is someone who has had more than they thought & didn't realized they were impaired. The article does state that people between .08-.10 often don't realize they are impaired. She blew a .10. That is not "blasted out of your mind". It is exactly the score that makes it a DUI charge. It wouldn't have been mentioned in the paper if she blew a .09

So far you have no proof that she is an "active drunk" in your words or is "hung over all the time". She just looks like one according to you. Pretty judgmental, don't you think? Do you think it would be okay for us to make fun of your looks in public? You had an interview with KCTV 5. Should we get the footage & post all unflattering angles of you?

Again for someone who has no vendetta against Ms. Gentry, you sure do bash her a lot and very viscious ways. Saying something is common knowledge is not proof.

The 1 student that posted here that expressed his disappointment in Ms. Gentry does not outweigh the many that posted here in support. Nor does that 1 post make it the majority of the students.

And as I have said before, she is of legal drinking age and the high school students are not.

Ms. Gentry may be the one that has to deal with the drug programs at LHS but the drugs programs are implemented district wide. The same drug program that Ms. Gentry runs is the same type of program that whoever runs at Freestate. She does not get a say in how the drug program is implemented. She is told this is our drug program and this is how you will use it.

People without a grudge or vendetta don't attack others in such a hateful, mean spirited way.

quick tell me what other offical has had a DUI

Both our President & Vice President have several DUIs between the two.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

The Lord's Prayer

(from the New Zealand Prayer Book)

Eternal Spirit, Earth-maker, Pain-bearer, Life-giver,

Source of all that is and that shall be,

Father and Mother of us all,

Loving God, in whom is heaven:

The hallowing of your name echo through the universe!

The way of your justice be followed by the peoples of the world!

Your heavenly will be done by all created beings!

Your commonwealth of peace and freedom sustain our hope and come on earth.

With the bread we need for today, feed us.

In the hurts we absorb from one another, forgive us.

In times of temptation and test, strengthen us.

From trials too great to endure, spare us.

From the grip of all that is evil, free us.

For you reign in the glory of the power that is love, now and for ever.

Amen

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

yada yada yada, Zen is ok but never really got into it. maybe you could conjure up ole bill and bob

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paladin 7 years, 10 months ago

Maturity is the ability to control anger and settle differences without violence and destruction.

Maturity is perseverance, the ability to sweat out a project or a situation in spite of heavy opposition and discouraging setbacks.

Maturity is the capacity to face unpleasantness and frustration, discomfort and defeat, without complaint or collapse.

Maturity is humility. It is being big enough to say, "I was wrong." And, when you're right, you need not say, "I told you so."

Maturity is the ability to make a decision and follow through. The immature spend their lives exploring endless possibilities and then do nothing.

Maturity means dependability, keeping one's word and coming through in a crisis. The immature are master of the alibi. They are conflicted and disorganized. Their lives are a maze of broken promises, former friends, unfinished business and good intentions that never materialize.

And Maturity is the art of living in peace with what we cannot change, having the courage to change what we know should be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

no not at all observer, larryville tracked cmans IP to the porn. you still post there and so do I. You were around on the old forum, you know the deal. just think about it.

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paladin 7 years, 10 months ago

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. Amen.

    --Reinhold Niebuhr
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observer 7 years, 10 months ago

enforcer, you're losing it. get some help.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

say cman did you ever get that nasty little gay porn issue addressed, I know larryville was hoppin mad about those pictures you posted of you and.. well let us call him your friend.

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justsomewench 7 years, 10 months ago

oh, hell with it, paladin...i'll make the popcorn.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

another AA member, don't you people go to meetings?

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paladin 7 years, 10 months ago

THE PRAYER OF ST. FRANCIS

Lord, make me a channel of thy peace,

that where there is hatred, I may bring love;

that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness;

that where there is discord, I may bring harmony;

that where there is error, I may bring truth;

that where there is doubt, I may bring faith;

that where there is despair, I may bring hope;

that where there are shadows, I may bring light;

that where there is sadness, I may bring joy.

Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted;

to understand, than to be understood;

to love, than to be loved.

For it is by self-forgetting that one finds.

It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.

It is by the self dying that one awakens to Eternal Life.

Amen

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

did you never learn about right and wrong?

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observer 7 years, 10 months ago

enforcer, can't accept no vendetta. no-one goes after someone as hard as you did without a personal agenda or as I said a vendetta.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

quitbitchib my no wonder he flees you so.

Great flick marion

Observer Listen I already told you no vendetta, everything posted is public knowledge, therfore not a lie. your buddy is back on the other thread run along.

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observer 7 years, 10 months ago

enforcer, explain your vendetta? it's obvious to average person. Where did Ms Gentry offend you? From the beginnings you have posted slander, innuendo and in cases, I think out rights lies against her. What is your problem?

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quitbitchin 7 years, 10 months ago

you wanna suck him??? TRICK!!!!

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

quick tell me what other offical has had a DUI

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

When speaking with Driver Control I did NOT use Ms. Gentry's name.

Some of you have failed to realise that in the event of a conviction, that it IS THE DUTY of the CLERK OF THE FREAKING DISTRICT COURT to notify Driver Control of that conviction EVEN IF A DIVERSION IS GRANTED!

ENGLISH!

DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Paladin:

Most wolves are better people than most people.

Thanks.

Marion.

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observer 7 years, 10 months ago

keep it simple, why did you attck Ms gentry so vehemently? Why don't you go after all the DUI arrests? Is it personal? as Kevin loves to say, answer with simple yes or no on last question.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

know em all, whats your point? I am not angry.

but heres one, mind this is a variation, keep it simple

A man is walking along the ridge above a beach' In the distance he sees a figure who appers to be dancing, as he gets closer he realizes she is throwing something. as he gets closer he sees she is frantically picking up starfish that have come ashore and throwing them into the water. he says 'what are you doing?" she replies " saving them, they will dry out without the water" he sees there are hundreds of starfish on the sands, and replies " what does it matter you can't save them all" to that she says as she throws another starfish into the sea " it matters to this one"

you see sometimes what one does seems not to make sense, but there is good intention despite how ridiculous it may seem.

I will find the extended version and email it to you vis LJW email

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paladin 7 years, 10 months ago

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!" -Sir Walter Scott

"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." -Plato

"A liar should have a good memory." -Quintilian

"The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance, and even our very existence depends on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to our lives." -Albert Einstein

The Wolves Within An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice... "Let me tell you a story." "I too, at times, have felt great hate for those who have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It's like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times. " "It is as if there are two wolves inside me; one is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way." "But...the other wolf... ah! The littlest thing will send him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all of the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing." "Sometimes it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit." The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather ?" The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, "The one I feed."

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

She implements the drug programs at LHS, if you recall one of the kids voiced how resentful he felt about her lectures and now this, can you not see a potential problem there? She does look hung over all the time, blotchy red complextion, dark circles blood shot eyes, blah blah... look at the mug shot , then recall the alcohol content that registered. Social drinkers do not drink to oblivian. You can read up on it. If nothing more it reinforces what I try to instill in my kids about what alcohol and drugs do in so far as destructive capabilities. see thats the thing about the net, you think you know what you see, or whatever, but if you knew me you wouldn't be saying anything at all, you would have an understanding. Trust that children do not always verbalize how what they see affects them, acting out is where the results are seen. Remember the out adage "Example is the best Teacher"

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born2bewild 7 years, 10 months ago

Marion GET A LIFE GET A LIFE GET A LIFE GET A LIFE

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swbsow 7 years, 10 months ago

Enforcer- you do realize the drug program implementation is a district decision? Ms. Gentry does not get to decide on how it is done.

Your concern stated in other posts was that she talked to the students about drugs and now she is charged with a DUI. I pointed out that she is an adult of legal drinking age and that high school students are not. It is not a comparable situation.

For someone who has not vendetta or negative motivation against Ms. Gentry, you sure did a lot of name-calling in the other posts. You called her a "drunk" and stated that she was "hung over all the time". You posted her mug shot & made fun of it. What could be your motivation for slandering her? It certainly does nothing to "protect the children" as you claimed you are only doing in other posts.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Well I haven't dona alot of things but that doe4sn't stop psycos from trying. After all it is a bit of a standing joke to say "hey get your meds" but trust there are some truee blue cookoos on here. That's ok though I save all secret crazy messages so I got it covered. for the record I have no vendetta with Jan, but do have as I said before concerns about her implementation of drug programs in light of this issue. Her mposition needs to change while she addresses this issue, she was a teacher before a principal and that might be a good thing for now. I made my fair share of relevant calls though and people can think what they chose about motive, I know my motivation and thats all that matters.

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swbsow 7 years, 10 months ago

Besides SWBSOW I thought we were going to blame me for all of it

I believe that was another topic?

You are just filled with vitriol against Ms. Gentry but you didn't call Driver Control.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

"Ethical Conduct

The administrator acknowledges that schools belong to the public and that they must provide educational opportunities to all. An administrator's actions will be scrutinized by the community, professional associates, and the students. Therefore, an administrator's professional behavior will reflect both idealistic and practical principles that are demonstrated by the following standards"

--Whether or not Marion "meddled" here, is irrelevant. Period. Ms. Gentry made a conscious CHOICE to get behind the wheel of that car AFTER she made a conscious choice to drink. Marion had nothing to do with that. The officer made an error, one that could not be "hidden" regardless of alleged "meddling". Marion had nothing to do with the officers error. The consequences of her actions will be the same with or without error, with or without Marion and his alleged "meddling".

First of all, some of you need to re-read the first two lines of the Ethical Conduct. Second, this isn't about Marion or his views or anyone elses for that matter; everyone is entitled to feel and express themselves as they see fit. As a prominent public figure, this was to be expected. However, the bottom line is, Ms. Gentry caused ALL of this, no one else.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

well that depends on how you define powerful. But you know he is a fireball and he takes care of Biz.

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Gootsie 7 years, 10 months ago

I don't think Marion has that much power, to be honest with you. And I believe he actually called them about as much as I believe he carouses in Westport, and is successful.

Thank you.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

ooooooooooo thats kin the big book too, but whatever, Jan will not lose her certifications to teach, one must commit an upper tier crime for that ie rape, murder. I am simply saying why hit multiple bottoms when one is enough. Besides SWBSOW I thought we were going to blame me for all of it.

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swbsow 7 years, 10 months ago

It is amazing how the discussion has turned around. The original gripe by enforcer, Marion & the others was that she should be treated as all others would be treated in the same situation. However, due to Marion's phone call, the situation will not be treated as all others would be treated. You cried for equality in treatment & then denied it to Ms. Gentry because of who she is and the vindictiveness some of you seem to have.

All of those posters implied that she knew somebody or what getting away with something that the Average Joe would not get away with. That implication turned out to be false. The sheriff deputy was careless in his paperwork and she caught a break in that. I don't see the other posters calling Driver Control for "info" if it was the Average Joe who had the same thing happen on their paperwork. The "info" could have been obtained online. We know Marion knows how to use a computer & the internet.

Now we have Marion comparing HIMSELF (emphasis on the male part) to MLK, Alan Colmes & Susan B. Anthony. We have Enforcer trying to justify Marion's actions as a favor to Ms. Gentry speculating that Marion might just have saved Ms. Gentry from herself or saved her live.

Either way Marion has focused Driver Control's attention on something that may have not gotten as much attention before or if it was the Average Joe.

It absolutely amazes me the justifications posted here for actions that should not have taken place. You can justify it to yourself all you want but bottom line, it was meddling and may have hurt Ms. Gentry's chances on a positive outcome in this situation. Hypocrites.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't argue that what Gentry did was wrong on many levels. I can not speak for her lifestyle or if she has problems with dependency. But it is in no way Marions place to step in and be her salvation by doing this. Those people that have the right to do so are the authorities, the court system, the education system and family and friends. If there were a public vote to get Gentry out of her position or a vote to decide what her punishment should be in general, then step up and voice your opinion. But that's not the case. The situation is like a bicycle riding through the streets of the court system (I know, corny), and Marion is trying to throw a stick in the spokes or be a speed bump on the ground.

What did he find out - that despite the error by the deputy, once she is convicted (which she will be) she will have her license suspended despite the initial error. The suspension may be delayed until she goes to court, but they will tack that time onto the end so the suspension time equals what it should. She's not getting away with anything.

It's not Marion's place, it's not noble, and it's simply acting out of spite to punish someone. You cannot tell me his intentions were just in this. "I am a saint and I won't let this women defeat herself with alcohol." Yeah, right! More like "Hell no, she's not getting away with that because I wouldn't be able to!"

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Ok I will give you that you feel it was meddleing, but to another it may be duty, just as I think what is called collateral damage in war is murder. As I said I worked in a treatment facility for a number of years and I know what is valuable, but I can also say AA/NA are a cults of sorts. It starts with 90 meetings in 90 days and separation from the real world. This is why many relapse so soon once on their own. I was in fact telling Marion just the other night how teaching groups over and over has given almost total recall of the literature. I will say that once one has recovery the use of the words such as snitches and narcs are no longer relevant. That is part of changing one's outlook on life. Now let's play devils advocate for a moment. What if this incident was a wake up call for Ms. Gentry, let us say she was slipping through the cracks, isn't what marion has done an intevention of sorts? I have heard speakers say "I needed every relapse I had", but I have also seen wonderful people die as a result of relapse. Little secret; I used to cry like a baby when one of my client's died, especially if they died in the park or were murdered. Over time I hardened some and was just angry about addiction. Eventually in the cases of those who repeatedly fell, well in those cases death became a freedom of sorts. In any case perhaps Ms Gentry has been saved. I recall a person, a professional, smart as a whip, very successful, kept being sent to treatment, did well for about 60 days on own, then fell, lost job , over and over. One day boom pulled credentials everything, person midlife working at McDonalds and they were hesitent to hire this individual, a life wasted, a lifetime of work and education wasted. Ended in suicide, people who have been up have a difficult time being down. It really is all in how one looks at it.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

After all of your posturing (read: jibber jabber) you have convinced me that you should indeed be compared to the likeness of MLK himself.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

As are the whistle blowers, those who seek out corruption on all levels of government and private citizens who insist on fair and equal enforcement of the law such as Martin Luther King, Alan Colmes and Susan B. Anthony.

Stoolies all!

Thanks.

Marion.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

You are a noble man Marion. None so noble as the informants, the snitches, the narks, the spies, the stoolies...the meddlers.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

An by their own admission Twelve STep Theology programs do not work for over 87% of the people who attend them.

The rate of "recovery" is even lower.

The famous Veterans Administration Study in Kansas City, so often quoted by George Valliant, cleary demonstrated that the folks who do the best in "recovery" are those who simply stop whatever they've been doing and take the PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY for their own behaviour.

Any program which mentions, refers to or includes "God" in 50% of the "Steps" is nothing more than a religion based Miracle Cure.

Twelve Step programs disempower the individual, mislead the mind and ensure a lifetime of dependency on a group composed of people determined to allow you to be no happier than they are.

I have seen Twelve Step groups and programs kill people.

Thanks.

Marion.

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justsomewench 7 years, 10 months ago

i will say, that the 12 step programs are amazing resources. they have saved the lives of people i love dearly. some i've loved have not been so fortunate.

if i am supposed to believe there is shame in knowing what purpose they serve, i'm afraid i'll have to agree to disagree, too. sorry to disappoint.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

The law allows for the use of reasonable and proper force to prevent both improper and false arrest as well as the commission of a felony(False Arrest) in progress.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow Draughts intoxicate the Brain, And drinking largely sobers us again"

Alexander Pope.

Thanks.

Marion.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

enforcer:

You say mindless because you disagree...but I was right. Be mindFUL of that.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

Well, finally the cards are all face up. It's like pulling friggin' teeth sometimes. A combination of public information and narking led to the full disclosure of one deputies slip up and therefore adds to the scrutiny of the Gentry case. However slight, it adds.

I've been asked to do two things here today. First, to remember that things aren't always as they appear or come across in these posts. I agree and ask that you all take that to heart when constructing your inputs and I will do the same. Second, I was asked to agree to disagree. Well, sometimes you can't. Sometimes that allows for people to say things that are not necessarily true and get away with posting it as such. I don't agree when someone starts arguing a point that I didn't make (like that Marion posted info before LJW), but now that we're in agreement that someone made efforts to expose a situation totally outside the realm of one's business, I will agree to disagree that said person meddled.

But my opinion remains that this was meddling and I don't respect that. God forbid someone see Marion roll through a stop sign or jaywalk or use his cell while driving. Citizen's arrest!

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Speaking of Alcohol, meetings and the 12 steps.............perhaps someone has a resentment? Having worked in a treatment facility might I advise someone address that because the Big Book says "RESENTMENT IS THE #1 OFFENDER"

Toodle Noodles

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justsomewench 7 years, 10 months ago

i recall seeing it used in the forums recently and found it applicable in this case. so much for scandal.

sorry, marion, nothing to slander here.

thanks.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

No one should ever have to back down due to the mindless pressures of others. quite certainly I light a single candle most of the time, but I am satisfied that I have stood my ground despite the oppostion and some that are very evil I might add. I must be able to know I did what I felt was right and I believe everyone should have that right as well.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

IHOVO:

The perceptions of others, correct or deluded are beyond my control and I am therefore in no way resposible for those perceptions.

Reality is that which is, not what we would have it be.

I should think that it is no way "meddling" to adivse a superior authority of the malfeasance of a subordinate agency but rather a resposnbility which lies with any good citizen.

The folks at Driver Control read the net AND newspapers as well and in fact many read the LJW first thing so once such a juicy tidbit as this is PUBLIC AS IN ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE BLOODY NEWSPAPER it is more than a bit disingenous to accuse me of "meddling".

Besides, even if I had taken the thing Chapter and VErse to Driver Control, I would have only been doing the duty of a good citizen to see that the law in question was EQUALLY ENFORCED!

Or so we really just want to protect the accused in this case from the consequences of her actions?

Justsomewench:

I notice that you refer to the taking of "inventory"; a well know catch-phrase of Twelve Stepology so I'm wondering, what with your obvious familiarity with such programs if you might tell us a bit about "enabling" by shielding from consequences?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Thanks.

Marion.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

That's the funny thing here...as you stated earlier, intent of messages and personal graces are often difficult to interpret on the Net. Therefore, if someone feels that they have valuable input on a topic here they should take extra precautions to ensure their point of view is adequately voiced. As I stated in my last post, the fact that Marion typically doesn't back down when he is challenged leads me to believe his message was taken as intended.

Marion disagreed with the fact that Gentry still has her drivers license and then he meddled. Please be consistent and inform him that he should have simply voiced his opinion and agreed to disagree and that he went too far.

If he can indicate that he was not the initial source of information to Driver Control and didn't intice them into reviewing the situation, I won't have the right to say he meddled. But for now, he meddled and that sucks.

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justsomewench 7 years, 10 months ago

If there's a potential grave to be tapdanced on, rest assured that certain folks will always show up with glee. Negativity as hobby.

Personally, my own plate's too full to have the energy to expend on taking everyone else's inventory. But that's just me.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Intent and Perception are light years away, one can not be held responsible for how another reads into and issue, why not simoly agree to disagree.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

Well, you're probably right that you can't really tell what someone is like while on the Net, but otherwise it's a little too philosophical. Sometimes it is what it is. Since Marion rarely comes back with alterations to his original words when they are called out, I have to assume he meant what he said and that it is a representation of him. If Marion isn't coming across like what he really is or intends, maybe it is in his best interest to edit his posts for tone and effect before submitting them. Otherwise, let loose the beast...

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Well you see that is where it is lost in the net. Marion is quite the opposite of what your take is. Truths are often unsettling, don't kill the messanger. Instead look dep into yourself and ask why it is the truth you are questioning is choking you out.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

Actually, it's not a good thing when people start policing on their own initiative because they have an obvious chip on their shoulder for whatever reason. I don't know Marion except for what I read here, but a large percentage of his posts are angry, accusatory and self-indulgent.

I value others opinions, but only when they are constructive and not laced with spite toward the general public.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

Marion:

By the way, it was sort of tacky (but enlightening) for you to turn my post around for your benefit. I claimed that you meddled, not that you didn't know what you were talking about regarding the signature thing. And I also didn't say anything about whether you or LJW posted correct information first. But hey, if you need to build yourself up...

Go back and read the post history from the other day and compare how many times people said you meddled versus how many times people argues that your facts were incorrect. Get back to me only if you find out that their main point was the validity of your facts over meddling. It was nice knowing you.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Hey it's all water under the bridge now, done deal. It's a good thing.

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

Posted by Marion (Marion Lynn) on May 31, 2006 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

swbsow:

I suspect that everyone involved in this case will be on thier toes from this point on.

There is just too much publicity on the matter now for it to be swept under the carpet.

Yes, I do think that Ms. Gentry is well known enough for the cop to have "forgotten" to complete the form.

On the other hand she may well have told the officer of her position and "status".

The officer may have made an honest mistake in failing to complete the form.

No matter; the form can be re-certififed and Driver Control is now aware of the case and will be watching it closely.

I suspect that "diversion" will not be an option and even with "diversion", driving restrictions still appy, I believe.

Thanks.

Marion.


Well Marion, you said it yourself that "Driver Control" is now aware of the case and will be watching it closely". If you are trying to elude that they are now aware because of the general publicity then I don't believe you. According to the posts here at LJW, you were the only one to call Driver Control and ask about such a case since you were so eager to stick your nose into things. And now all of a sudden Driver Control is aware of the case? Was there a previous or subsequent article that specifically stated that Driver Control knows about the case, or are you speculating that they do, or are they now aware because you called? I'm guessing the latter of the three explanations is the correct one.

Do you have short term memory loss? Do you not recall any of the other posts from 5/31 that said you over stepped your bounds by calling? Did you borrow those blinders from the Budweiser Clydesdales?

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

IHOVO:

In wht way did I "meddle"?

When speaking to Driver control I made no specific reference to any particular case.

If the LJW calls the Sherriff's Office or Driver Control to gain specific information, would you refer to THAT as "meddling"?

I think not.

The reality is that some folks are just p+++ed off that I choose to do my homework before blathering about on the net.

I occasionally make an error in what I post and when I do, I acknowledge it.

The reality is that ome folks would not believe me if I told them that the sky was blue on a clear July day at high noon.

I am glad to know that when a private citizen seeks calrification form the appropriate government agency that it is, at least in The People's Republic Of Lawrence, called "meddling".

Further, I posted the CORRECT information BEFORE the LJW did!

Have a "productive" day.

Thanks.

Marion.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Off topic--does anyone know why sometimes it will say (for example) 6 comments, when there will only be (for example) 4 comments showing? Just wondering?

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i_have_only_valid_opinions 7 years, 10 months ago

paladin: "We must suffer fools gladly, because there's at least one that we can never escape."

Amen!

Marion:

I think the biggest point people were making the other day is that you meddled! Not that you weren't right with the facts. At least that's where I remember the emphasis being. No matter what the article says and what the facts are, you still meddled. Ain't no changing that!

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

Ha he is right more than most of you would care to accept.

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mefirst 7 years, 10 months ago

Gee Marion, being "right all along" must not happen for you very often.

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paladin 7 years, 10 months ago

We must suffer fools gladly, because there's at least one that we can never escape.

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one_more_bob 7 years, 10 months ago

so , doing websites with usernames again , marion ?

you are creatively bankrupt .

T h a n k s ,

o m b

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 10 months ago

I doubt that there is any real hope for you, Marion, but please seek help. Miracles do occasionally happen.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

Fatty:

I am not a "plumber" unless you mean in the Watergate sense.

Further, I have no problem with rubbing it in when I am shown by unimpeachable sources TO HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG!

GardenMomma:

Yeah.

What you said.

Thanks.

Marion.

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GardenMomma 7 years, 10 months ago

You forgot "Thinker than she drunk she was."

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

Marion, you are as humble and modest as always. Not only do you try and rub your being right in the face of those that disagreed with you, but then when you don't get a counterresponse, you do it again...for about five minutes. Grow up, plumber boy.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

Gee, it's very quiet and such a fine day!

The SO and the LJW failed to mention that the form CAN be recertified and sent right along.

Where is all that "Well, she maybe just had a drink!", "Poor, woman is just all stressed out!' and "Well, she hasn't been convicted yet!" crowd?

She blew at .10 and that number is:

D-R-U-N-K!

Alcoholled

Ambushed

Annihilated

A public mess

A weeble (you know, they wobble but they don't fall down)

Backwards

Banged up on sauce

B+++ackwards

Beligerant

Bent

Besoffen

Besotted

Bladdered

Blitzed

Blitzkrieged

Blotto

Blowin a 2

Bombarded

Bombed

Borracho

Broken

Butt wasted

Buzzed

Canceled

Chemically imbalanced

Comblasted

Comblinded

Cracked

Cranked

Crocked

Derailed

Down the creek

Drita

Embalmed

Fermented

Floatin

Frayed

Fubar

Furschnickered

Gone

Gone Borneo

Hammered

Happy

Has a package on

Hummin

Humored

Impaired

In a ditch

Inebriated

Influenced

In rare form

Intoxicated

Jazzed

Jiggered

Just south of bejesus

Keyed

K.O.'d

Leanin

Leaked

Legless

Licked

Liquored up

Lit

Lit up

Loaded

Locked

Looped

Lubed up

Lushed

Marinated

  • Mareado (Spanish)

Messed up

Not so Farfrompuken

Off of his trolley

Off ya face

  • Off ya nut

  • Ossified

  • Out of his tree

  • Out of it

  • Pealaid

  • Pickled

  • Pie eyed

  • Pished out his face

  • Pissed

  • Pissed a newt

  • Pissin'

  • Plastered

  • Plowed over

  • Poisoned

  • Polluted

  • Possessed

  • Put one on

  • Quaffed

  • Rat-arsed

  • Redirected

  • Reekin'

  • Ripped

  • Rocked

  • Rooked

  • Roped

  • Saturated

  • Sauced

  • Schlonkered

  • Schnockered

  • Schtumphy

  • Scuppered

  • Screwed

  • Seasoned

  • Shellacked

  • Shickered (Aussie)

  • Sh** faced

  • Sh**housed

  • Silly

  • Slambasted

  • Slammed

  • Slickered

  • Slobbered

  • Sloshed

  • Sloppy

  • Slozzled

  • Smashed

  • Smoked

  • Smuckered

  • Smurfed Up

  • Snockered

  • Soaked

  • So lit you could read by hher

  • So wet she ripples

  • Sodden

  • Soused

  • Spanked

  • Squashed

  • Squiffy

  • Stewed

  • Stoned

  • Stooped

  • Stupid

  • Stupified

  • Tanked

  • Tatered

  • Tepo (Spanish)

  • Three sheets to the wind

  • Throwed off

  • Tied one on

  • Tipped

  • Tipsey

  • Toasted

  • Topped off

  • To' up from the flo' up

  • Toxic

  • Tuned up

  • Trashed

  • Trounced

  • Tweeked

  • Under the influence

  • Unsober

  • Wasted

  • Well oiled

  • Wet

  • Wicked retarded (Boston)

  • Wobbly

  • Wrecked

  • Zipped

  • Zonked

Thanks.

Marion.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

After a couple cups of coffee I think I have renewed faith in Justice, I hope it lasts awhile.

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Kathy Gragg 7 years, 10 months ago

oh thats just a shame, but it is good the hardworking police officer isn't in trouble; that would be an INJUSTICE.

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parsimoniousjayhawker 7 years, 10 months ago

The error is just that.... an administrative error. If Gentry is convicted of the offense, her license is still suspended for the thirty day period despite the deputy's omission of his signature.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

I LOVE IT!

"The error means the state can't suspend assistant principal Jan Gentry's license pending the outcome of her criminal case, but she still could have it suspended if she is convicted of DUI."

To my detractors who accused me of all sorts of hideous things:

I TOLD YOU SO!

NYAH, NYAH, NYAH, NYAH, BOO-BOO!

Just could NOT help it!

Thanks.

Marion.

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