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Israel intensifies assault on Lebanese, Hezbollah targets

July 16, 2006

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— Waves of warplanes thundering through the darkness bombed Beirut's southern suburbs for hours early Sunday, a day after Israel stepped up its air strikes and tightened a noose around this reeling nation.

The Israeli air force on Saturday hit strongholds of the Hezbollah Shiite Muslim guerrilla group, bombed central Beirut for the first time, and pounded seaports and a key bridge.

Then, after midnight and until 2:30 a.m., about 18 powerful explosions rocked southern Beirut, where Hezbollah is headquartered and much of the air assault has been aimed since cross-border hostilities erupted Wednesday.

Israeli jets could be heard over the city, much of it darkened because airstrikes have knocked out power stations and the fuel depots feeding them.

Risks of civil war

Hezbollah's TV aired footage showing two long columns of smoke rising from buildings into the night sky. Much of Shiite-populated southern Beirut was deserted, its residents having fled east to Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.

An Israeli gunner runs to reload as an artillery piece fires into southern Lebanon Saturday from a position on the border near Kiryat Shmona, northern Israel. Israel has bombarded Lebanon's airport and main roads after Hezbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers.

An Israeli gunner runs to reload as an artillery piece fires into southern Lebanon Saturday from a position on the border near Kiryat Shmona, northern Israel. Israel has bombarded Lebanon's airport and main roads after Hezbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers.

Trying to defuse the violence, which began when Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers and killed eight others in a cross-border raid, Lebanon's prime minister indicated he might send his army to take control of southern Lebanon from Hezbollah - a move that might risk civil war.

In a more ominous sign that the struggle could spread, Israel accused Iran of helping launch a missile that damaged an Israeli warship, a charge both Hezbollah and Iran denied.

Hezbollah, meanwhile, fired barrages of rockets ever deeper into Israel, and Israeli officials warned that Tel Aviv, 70 miles inside Israel, could be hit.

The death toll in the four-day-old conflict rose above 100 in Lebanon, and stood at 15 in Israel.

Although israel continued to escalate its attacks Saturday on Beirut, Lebanon, including the Hezbollah stronghold in the city's densely populated southern suburbs, some Lebanese residents managed to carry on with their lives.

Although israel continued to escalate its attacks Saturday on Beirut, Lebanon, including the Hezbollah stronghold in the city's densely populated southern suburbs, some Lebanese residents managed to carry on with their lives.

Diplomatic attempts falter

Despite worldwide alarm, there was little indication either Western or Arab nations could muster a quick diplomatic solution. In New York, Lebanon accused the United States of blocking a U.N. Security Council statement calling for a cease-fire. Diplomats said Washington for now preferred to see the issue dealt with at this weekend's Group of Eight meeting in Russia and in other ways.

The United States and France, meantime, prepared to evacuate their citizens, and Britain dispatched an aircraft carrier to the eastern Mediterranean in apparent preparation for evacuations.

Choking back tears, Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora went on television to plead with the United Nations to broker a cease-fire for his "disaster-stricken nation."

A Lebanese bride, at right, was surrounded by foreign reporters Saturday after they stopped her for an interview while she was heading to church for her wedding ceremony in Baabda, on the outskirts of Beirut.

A Lebanese bride, at right, was surrounded by foreign reporters Saturday after they stopped her for an interview while she was heading to church for her wedding ceremony in Baabda, on the outskirts of Beirut.

The Western-backed prime minister, criticizing both Israel and Hezbollah, also pledged to reassert government authority over all Lebanese territory, suggesting his government might deploy the Lebanese army in the south, which Hezbollah effectively controls.

That would meet a repeated U.N. and U.S. demand. But any effort by Saniora's Sunni Muslim-led government to use force against the Shiite Muslim Hezbollah guerrillas could trigger another bloody civil war in Lebanon. Many fear the 70,000-strong army itself might break up along sectarian lines, as it did during the 1975-90 civil war.

Reacting to Saniora's statements, Israel's Vice Premier Shimon Peres said Lebanon must prove it was serious by deploying troops on the border.

"We have to see what they do and not what they say," Peres told Israel's Channel 2 TV.

Iran, meanwhile, denied any role in the fighting, disputing Israeli claims that 100 Iranian soldiers had helped Hezbollah attack an Israeli warship late Friday.

There has been no sign in Lebanon of Iranian Revolutionary Guards for 15 years. But Iran is one of Hezbollah's principal backers along with Syria, providing weapons, money and political support. Many believe Iran and Syria are fueling the battle to show their strength in the region.

Comments

shanefivedyes 8 years, 10 months ago

Im sure Bozo that you have a solution rather then more of the same. Im listening.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

Stop the violence, of course-- too bad Bush and company like violence so much, or they might come up with a similar solution.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

NOw BOzo what the H did W have to do with this? This is about Syria and Iran letting Hezbolah and Hamas running around unchecked. Isreal gave all that land back to the Palistenians, and they get bombarded for their sacrafice??

NO this is a bunch of yahoos that need to be taken to Allah.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

No, it's about violent extremists on both sides controlling the situation. And our own violent extremists in charge at BushCo decided to make war in Iraq rather than trying to make peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

This will get a lot worse before it gets better, with our Dumbya-in-chief leading the charge.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

Lebanon only recently got a somewhat moderate government that was not controlled by Syria. They really aren't strong enough to challenge Hezbollah directly, but the declaration of war by Israel on the Lebanese government pretty much assures that Israel will have to invade Lebanon again.

But now that Hezbollah has missiles (from Iran) that have a range of 30 miles instead of 10, they'll have to occupy a much larger area than they did before-- and the reason they left was because they couldn't control it any better than they can control Gaza.

This is spiraling dangerously out of control, and clueless George will cheerfully join in the ever escalating violence, which will lead to even more violence.

Duck and cover, folks.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

bozo:

Good post. Didn't know about the extended range of the Hezbollah rockets.

Clueless George, indeed. At least you never had to worry about William the Great making the right decisions in times like this. I wouldn't trust GWB to figure out how much toilet paper to use . . . unless Rove/Cheney gives him some pointers.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

You guys have NO CLUE about what is going on over there!

THis is IRAN throwing a fit. When you are reading the Guardian and the Jordan Times. LOok at what the Dems are saying: ALl are saying Isreal has the right to protect themselves.

Seems you are out of step with the Nations Dems.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"I just heard Dumya state that Israel has every right to do what they are doing.."

So did Pelosi and Boxer, Dorn as well.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

That was Dorgen.

IF you folks think that Hezbollah and Hamas have any right to do whta they have done to Isreal, you need a refresher course on WOrld affairs. Isreal did make consessions, they gave back a ton of land, but you don't even acknowledge that do you? YOu want to pin this on GWB that it makes you stupid.

Isreal cannot have "negociations" if there is no one to "negociate" with! Have you guys been following anything at least close to resembling what is acturally News?

You all have an artificially narrow version of the world. That is an old dead and long gone version of liberalism. You cannot have peace if womeone wants to kill or aniliate you. Impossible.

You mostly are a sad lot.

shanefivedyes 8 years, 10 months ago

Still no solution?? Israel is attacked, what are they to do? Xeno Im ashamed of you, being a ex -Marine what's your solution?? I don't believe George has any thing to do with this one.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

THe "fiasco" observer is those that tolerate those killer Terrorist organizations and DEFEND Hezbollah and Hamas.

Well let's find out what kind of idiots we have here. Do you mental midgets actually think GWB is more of a terrorist and killer than Hamas and Hezbollah?

"Then peace might be possible."

Did you forget the Gentleman that helped statr this little event the President of Iran wants to wipe Isreal off the face of the Earth? How the hell does that make peace possible.

Do you actually think Hezbollah and Hamas and their actions are justified in anyway?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

The leader of Hezbollah just stated that targeting of civilians is a legimate target.

THAT is what we are dealing with. NO ONE has a right to sceond guess Isreal.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

UN resolution 1559 calls for the disarming of Hezbollah.

WHy have they not disarmed? What are they doing with rockets and missles?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

We are talking about Isreal and Hezbollah and Hamas.........not IRAQ!!! However you feel about Iraq, this is not directly tied to it. THIS is tied to Syria and Iran.

The major problems in the mideast is the terrorist culture. They just kill people, they live to do it.

What did Isreal do to justify this attack?? They gave back all theland.

AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR OBSERVER, it is till GWB's fault!

ISREAL wants their soldiers back! ANd accourding to OBSERVER it is GWB's fault.

You aren't very "observant" for having a name like "OBSERVER".

Don't pick up much do you?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"why has Israel not complied with all the resolution against them?"

They did. They gave back all the land to the 1967 levels that the Palistenians wanted. Still not good enough!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Taking the side of Hamas and Hezbollah I see. I did think of you as a pro Terrorists and Pro Killer kind of person. You root for anyone against the US.

You would rather us loose than for you to be wrong.

That's what I mean by a sorry lot!

Observer, defender and apologist of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Some day you will have to choose a side, make it the right one.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"asbestos, you're a pathetic excuse for a human being."

What does my condition as a human being have to do with the Isreali/Hezbollah/Hamas issue?

As for the headache, you were right, ... you gave me one.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"Just because I think the entire mess in the middle east is a result of Israels arrogance and W's incompetence in invading Iraq and not reining in the jewish lobby does not make me a pro terrorist."

Sure does, you are rooting "for the other guy"! ANd the other guy is "terrorists"!

It is very simple.

shanefivedyes 8 years, 10 months ago

I have begged for a solution to this problem and only gotten GWB. Boza,Xeno is that it??? Fresh air is good for the mind and body, get some!!!

yourworstnightmare 8 years, 10 months ago

It is a fact that Israel is at least trying to be a western liberal democacy, despite being a religious state. Israel supports secular democratic institutions and is one of the few places in that part of the world where it is safe to land an airplane.

Having said this, it is disappointing to see Israel reacting this way, as their terrorist enemies would act. The responsibility of secular liberal democracy is restraint. moderation, and negotiation. Unfortunately, Israel and the USA seem to have lost track of this.

yourworstnightmare 8 years, 10 months ago

I must admit, con-man, you make a good point about the rockets...

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

Does anyone have any idea what the Israelis plan?

What they intend to do once the shooting stops?

What will be left of Lebanon?

Is Syria the dark-horse power broker in the area, encouraging insurgents in Iraq, organizing resistance to Israel in Lebanon and among Palestinians? If so, what can we do to punish Syria?

I don't have time to find out myself: if anyone can answer these questions, or any of them, I'd be semi-grateful.

Steve Jacob 8 years, 10 months ago

No one is right here. Sure Israel can defend themselves, but at what cost. Did Clinton start a war over the USS Cole? An they have done this before. Like bombing Iraq in the 70's.

On FOX/CNN I did see have some good points. One, was that Lebanon only part of this was not stopping Hezbollah. So to bomb them is not the way to go.

Second good point is talking these groups like these are ELECTED in fair elections, including the leader on Iran.

I have no idea what to do, and neither does Bush. Not that he really has any fault right now in this. No answers to this.

Bill Smith 8 years, 10 months ago

Israel has gone to far yet again. Not to say that the militant groups are not at fault as well, but Israel has been given free reign in this region and has proven time and time again to be a major saboteur to the so-called "roadmap to peace". Any escalation in this current conflict will be the fault of Israel.

djazz 8 years, 10 months ago

Everyone has the opportunity to vote out lot of congressmen and women this fall. Get pacifist Boyda in there instead of Jim Ryun, if that is what you want.

There will be a Presidential election in two years, and vote more out, while we all select a new King or Queen.

Meanwhile, we have aircraft carriers out there with 5,000 folks on board or more defending this nation in dangerous cimcumstances.

Support your troops, support your President and the Nation all you can, and if you don't like it, vote for something different!

Quit moaning. Vote them in, vote them out. Get rid of the lifers and scoudrals. Pretty simple? We can change some offices every two, four, or six years.

But don't vote in any Bush or Clinton family for the big office! Get a different agenda. Be PROACTIVE, not reactive.

Select your candidates carefully, and with thought and reflection

djazz 8 years, 10 months ago

You lost it!

Neal Bortz (Libertarian) Pres, Hannity VP, O'Reily Press Spokesman, Holygrail secretary, and Hulk Hogan on Defense. Arnold has a tough time with English. Hulk does not.

djazz 8 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Marion.

Seems countries have difficulty "ejecting" terrorists don't they?

Don't we? When will that end?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"The leader of Hezbollah just stated that targeting of civilians is a legimate target.

Name your source please. All the articles in the news now have not mentioned that at all."

FOX, CNN and MSNBC all had this yahoo's tirade stating that all targets are now legitimate that included civilians.

That is the way it has always been with Hezbollah. What do you think homocide bombers are killing? That's right civilians. Hamas and Hezbollah have killed lots more civilians with their homocide bombers than Isreal has. That is a fact.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"Conservativeman, ASBESTOS started it this time."

WAH! Did NOT!

Bill Smith 8 years, 10 months ago

Conservativeman:

Likewise, now Lebanon has a right to protect its country and citizens who have been bearing the brunt of the Israeli aggression.

craigers 8 years, 10 months ago

The so-called roadmap to peace is for Israel to roll over and take in the back. This is obsurd. Israel is re-acting like it should. Some people don't get it. When somebody continues to step on you and try to eliminate you, you can't back down. Everybody says Israel is the problem? Are you serious. They have done their part in the compromising and now that the terrorists are still attacking it is time to eliminate those terrorists. We could learn something from Israel. If the US would have gone into Iraq like Israel is taking care of business now, then we would almost have the mission accomplished. Israel is protecting its own, just what all of us would do if our family was attacked. If people were kidnapping your kids/family, I don't think you would sit back and others wouldn't look at you as vile for wanting to hurt somebody to get your family back. Why are we disgusted with Israel? I still don't see a reason. They have been pushed and pushed too far and now hell is breaking loose on Hezbollah. All I have to say is that we could see this coming. We all have a breaking point and Israel reached theirs and will break Hezbollah and return home victorious.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 10 months ago

is it not funny how all sides think they are right? some where in all this is a truth but it has not been found in hundreds of years so I do not hold much hope of it being found in this life time.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

craigers:

When Israel "fights back," they do so with firepower that is infinitely greater than what they have been attacked with, and invariably, scores of civilians who weren't involved in the attacks are killed or injured, and infrastructure that other innocent civilians depend on is destroyed.

While you may think this is justified, the people on the recieving end of Israel's attacks have a very different opinion, and all it does is perpetuate the cycle of violence, which doesn't make anyone any safer, including Israel.

At some point, the violence has to stop, and pointing at one side of the conflict(s) as the sole culprit won't get that done. That's going to require leadership, which is clearly not going to come from the US.

allmine 8 years, 10 months ago

everyone you do realize this has been going on for 100s of years right? this really is not a new war just the same old one on a new day.

craigers 8 years, 10 months ago

bozo, I understand the violence has to stop but you can't fight fire from terrorists with diplomacy. There is no chance there and war is war. Civilians will be hit, it is a cost of war. In a perfect world, the civilians would be wearing a certain uniform and the buildings they are in would glow a certain color in order to avoid getting hit, but that isn't reality. There will be casualties but don't you agree that the civilian deaths are what makes a government finally put an end to the conflict? I'm not advocating killing civilians but it is sad that sometimes the only deaths that make the govt think are civilians and when it hurts, then there will be an end, sad as it may be.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

The only government in a position to stop any violence is Israel's. Lebanon's government has no control over Hezbollah or over south Lebanon-- it's been a no-man's land for decades, in no small part due to Israel's repeated incursions and occupations there.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

If Lebanese and Palestinian civilians are fair game, Israel can't claim it's civilians are off limits. Especially when Palestinian and Lebanese civilian deaths are three times the number of Israeli civilian deaths.

craigers 8 years, 10 months ago

Why should Israel be the only ones at fault here? They are protecting thier own and the govt surrounding them are for the elimination of Israel so what do they have at stake with controlling Hezbollah? Nothing because their ultimate goal is the elimination of Israel, so the only one that will put an end to things is Israel and you can't fight fire with diplomacy when you are faced with just being annihilated. You must take it on full boar.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 10 months ago

the pres. cursed oh my he is human after all every one.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 10 months ago

"Why should Israel be the only ones at fault here?"

I certainly didn't say that. As a matter of fact, I've consistently stated the opposite. There's plenty of fault to go around. But to simply say that violence by Israel is justified, while all other violence is not, is simplistic, and ultimately, just continues the cycle of violence.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 10 months ago

wow hg you left the other form I am shocked but nice to see you.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 10 months ago

I see no reason to say anything that will help this little battle in here. There is enough going on in the world with out promoting this.

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 10 months ago

you really are way to easy hg, we can not solve any of this here on this web site no doubt of that the history is is older than out nation. There is no reason to be so lets see sticky.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

"We forget the thousands they have tortured and murdered, not to mention the power they wield through our media."

Oh, right...the Jews control the media, the money, the government, . . . what am I missing?

HippieChick, no matter how many weak "both sides are bad" comments you half-heartedly make, your anti-Semitism comes through loud and clear.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

Sharon is a hero, a diplomat, and the man who brought Israel into leaving Gaza even though everyone else was (rightfully) suspicious of allowing the Palestinians even an inch. People like you, HippieChick, don't even deserve the right to utter Sharon's name. Jews who have made a place for themselves in society don't deserve your scorn and hatred.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

Hippie: I believe every nation has participated in what you call "terroristic methods." Your constant barrage of hate towards Israel and Jews is what horrifies me. You single out Israel when the United States is a bigger proponent of such methods. I don't understand why you are doing this.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

Hippie: No, I am not anti-Islam. And yes, I am Jewish. There are some important common denominators.

Just because it is your opinion does not remove the hatred from your comments. Perhaps you don't mean to sound hateful, but you do.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

Hippie: You brought up terroristic methods as if they were unheard of anywhere but in Israel. We will not agree on this. I support Israel's defense of their nation. Of MY nation. I support their actions in Lebanon. You will not find many rational individuals or governments who do not agree that this fight was started by Hezbollah. Israel is merely defending herself. You feel otherwise. Enough said.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

Hippie: It's good we agree on something. L'Shalom. Good night.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 10 months ago

"You will not find many rational individuals or governments who do not agree that this fight was started by Hezbollah."

But, if the Lebanese government is only 12% Hezbollah, why is this action being directed at government and civilian targets, instead of just the terrorist targets? This is what I don't understand: the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers turns into an all-out bombing of Lebanon back to the stone ages? I dont see how this sort of attack is merely "Israel defending herself". They are attacking a nation of people, bombing their civilian AIRPORTS and other civilian centers because some terrorists (who are in the minority) kidnapped two soldiers. Lebanon is not Syria.

Laura, I've enjoyed many of your posts, but this time I think you are the one who is not being rational. I'm not agreeing with everything that NAHC has posted today, but generally speaking, this action by Israel is far too much considering the reasoning behind it. Frankly, Laura, you sound somewhat fanatical. Maybe that is a compliment, or maybe it isn't, depending on your perspective; but I think that NAHC is being honest in her statements. I don't think she earned the label you gave her.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"But, if the Lebanese government is only 12% Hezbollah, why is this action being directed at government and civilian targets, instead of just the terrorist targets?"

IT IS being target at the Hezbollah, however these groups like to hide themselves in amongst the civilians. Isreal has done a heck of a job at avoiding lots more civilians. IF Isreal wanted to kill more people and if that were their goal, they could easily accommidate that goal.

The Hexbollah uses those vastly inaccurate rockets , and have no idea of where they will hit,just somewhere in Isreal, and how is not having accuraccy equal to not targeting civilians?? They (Hezbollah) are targeting civilians.

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"I dont see how this sort of attack is merely "Israel defending herself"."

The rockets have been raining down on Isreal consistently for a long time, and kicked up to over 100 a day, THAT is what the REASON for the Response. Hezbollah is the one that attacked.

What are you Hezbollah defenders.....anti semites??? ConMan is right.

How does that fit in to the world racial/curturl tolerance equation???

IF you find fault with Iseral, you are equivicating, plain and simple.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"They lose if they use a nuclear weapon in the land they're trying to get for themselves"

The PALESTINIANS already have 90% of the land that they wanted, given back to them by the Isreali's. Hezbollah is a not a country or a government, it is a terrorist organization. Who says? the US does! It was the Hamas political faction that was elected in the PALESTINIAN election. These are different groups. The Hamas folks are in Gaza currently as well as Rhamadi. Hezbollah is attached to IRAN and SYRIA not Palestine!

Geez!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Who says? THE UN says Hezbollah is a terrorist organization.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

Hezbollah in Lebanon are endowed by you, SWBSOW, with the right to revenge the Hamas in Palestine?

Very revealing.

Godot 8 years, 10 months ago

"and now we have rightists in Israel making plans to reoccupy the land"

Israel gave up those lands in a good faith agreement for peace; Hamas/fatah/hezbollah - all one - did not even attempt to honor their bargain. Funny. I said Hamas/fatah/hezbollah and "honor" in the same sentence. What a joke.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

I have never seen so much anti-semetic sentiment in my life? What are you guys thinking?

Here for all you Hezbollah supporters:

NEWS FLASH!!!!!! Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and the rest of the Sunni arab nations are NOT happy with Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah. True, Lebanon is caught in the middle, but this was institued and promoted by Syria and Iran, period.

Proof is that NONE of those nations have OFFICIALLY denounced Isreals actions and NONE of those nations have OFICIALLY asked for Isreal to stop wither. This is like Bailey was sayiong buy did not understand a religious issues....between Sunni and Shi'ite.

Any other time ALL arab nations would lambast Isreal... not this time. Even Saudia Arabia has denounced Hezbollah. Source? CNN last evening. The League of Arab nations had a meeting, and condemnation of Isreal was not their chief concern...it was a new "Cresent" in the Arab world. From Iran through Iraq, SYria and Lebanon. Shi'ite.

See, your anti-semetic view blinded you to real issues and facts. It is as important in the diplomatic world to listen to what is not being said, as to what is actually said.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

LOL there are a lot of "wordly" people here. I think not.

craigers 8 years, 10 months ago

There was an agreement and Hezbollah broke it. Israel has every right to do what they are doing. It is war people, not a boxing match. Real war is not pretty. Each side inflicts as much damage as possible until the other submits. Either way, hopefully we don't get pulled deeper into this because that would turn into an all out war, larger and harder than any of us has seen.

JimmyJoeBob 8 years, 10 months ago

All you idiots who say that GW Bush is responsible for this war don't know your history. Do any of you know how long this has been going on. It was back when the years ended with BC

Linda Endicott 8 years, 10 months ago

"Israel has a right to defend itself from terrorists. It does not have the right to bomb another country and kill so many civilians because terrorists are there."

Isn't this what we did with Iraq? We attacked their country just because terrorists were there? And we haven't killed ANY civilians in Iraq in the last three years?

"Why can't they get their soldiers back without bombing civilan areas? If the U.S. can do it with our guys, why can't they?"

Have we really been able to do this, either? Getting our guys back without bombing civilian areas? Seems to me that I recall more than one news story about the U.S. hitting civilian areas.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

The U.S. has always had a special relationship with Israel. Even I joke about Israel being the 51st state. And therefore, many of Israel's actions that are reprehensible to the average American are often rationalized and explained away by the U.S. government. And this is where we part company. Some people clearly understand why Israel reacts to violence the way it does. Others do not, cannot or will not. You cannot effectively think about Israel and its reactions using an American middle-class frame of reference. It does not fit.

I guess what I want to say is there's no going back. Palestine will never accept Jews living in the Middle East, but Jews will never leave. Maybe there's nothing to say about this conflict anymore?

Finally, I apologize for accusing HippieChick of anti-Semitism. I was terribly frustrated by her one-sided defense of Hezbollah, a group whose single-minded goal is the extermination of Jews. And let me anticipate your next comment, perhaps: no, the nation of Israel's existence is not about the extermination of Muslims. That's a pretty big difference, I'd say.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Hippychick:

"Why are you ignoring the facts that the hatred toward America is based on our relationship with Israel?"

I am not "ignoring" that fact, I an ACCEPTING the fact that whatever the US does "THEY" will hate us anyway.

"Why are you all avoiding the religious aspect of this conflict?"

I do accept the fact and actually see more of the "religious aspect" of the issue than you do. Did you not recognize that the Sunni Muslims are not happy with Hezbollah's actions???? Did you not recognize the RELIGIOUS differences between SUNNI and SHI'ITE????? THA is the RELIGIOUS ASPECT yuopu fail to address and accept. IF you did, you would see that Isreal is correct and even tacetly supported by the Sunni Majority in the Gulf region by their lack of condema=nation of Isreal officially. Actually they are more pissed at the Shi'ites ie Iran Syria, and Hezbollah.

You really need to catch up on the issues. THAT is why YOU SOUND and POST like an ANTI-SEMITE!!

You are falling on all the old sterotypical answers that REQUIRE NO ORIGINAL THOUGHT OR ANALYSIS!!!! AND that GOES FOR THE LOT OF THOSE THAT SUPPORT HEZBOLLAH.

Putting your fingers in the air and saying "Peace, man." , doesn't cut it in a world or region where there are people and groups that want to eliminate you. THAT is waht few here understand. You see the world through a 1960's nastalgia hippie wanna0be rose colored shades. Well, I was a real one, and I will tell you....the experiment did not work. The theories are crapola. Get into the new melinium.

PS don't bother with spell check I just ignore it and post. IF that is what you are gonna argue, shove it!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Finally, I apologize for accusing HippieChick of anti-Semitism. I was terribly frustrated by her one-sided defense of Hezbollah, a group whose single-minded goal is the extermination of Jews. And let me anticipate your next comment, perhaps: no, the nation of Israel's existence is not about the extermination of Muslims. That's a pretty big difference, I'd say.

LAURA WINS!!!!!

Christine Pennewell Davis 8 years, 10 months ago

mmmm and I thought this conflict started with the words "let my people go" and has been going ever since. But I am probably wrong.

Linda Endicott 8 years, 10 months ago

Just trying to say, Swbsow, that since the U.S. has already done the same thing in Iraq, it would be pretty hypocritical to say that Israel is wrong for doing the same thing.

Bush would come across as pretty silly to criticize Israel for their actions, considering Iraq.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

Crazyks, you must be kidding comparing the war in Iraq to Israel's response to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Even I think the war in Iraq was started by the U.S. under suspicious circumstances. Israel has been upfront about its objective: disable Hezbollah to ensure that Hezbollah will cease attacking Israel. The on-line version of the Jersusalem Post has some very good articles about the fighting in Lebanon/Northern Israel. And there are also articles from the perspective of those Israelis who disagree with the response to Hezbollah. Published dissent. You don't see much of it in the Middle East.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 10 months ago

At the end of the day, let us all remember to pray for this conflict. That should transend most of our differences.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

No, I was not the individual who made the comment that "their goal is to exterminate us." Check back and you'll see it was someone else. And please, let's not be naive. If Israel had wanted to wipe out Hezbollah at any other time, it would be done.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

HippieChick: You are correct. The scorn of the Iranian and Syrian people (and others) is exactly what everyone should expect as they support Israel. It does not come without a price. To many, it is worth it.

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

B: that's very noble of you to root for the people huddled in their basements. That would be families on both sides of the conflict.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Just a minute swbsow, I think you are getting ahead of yourself.

Check out this link:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886029284&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

ANd another from the Jpost:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886037374&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Here ya go too, Pelosi is also PRO-Isreal!!!

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886036849&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

NOt only that But Blair also has BUsh's opinion of Syria:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886037714&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

And here are the public service numbers and what to do like if rockets come their way....kinda like our tornado warnings....NOT

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1150886029535&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

You guys seeing the light.....yet?????

Laura 8 years, 10 months ago

This is a war. No one's going to say, "oh, let's not raid Byblos, a Christian town, because it's a Christian town, even though there's a huge mo-fo missile there ready to take out Tel Aviv."

Swbsow, I truly do not mean to appear rude, but I don't comprehend your reasoning. "The Islamic extremists want to eliminate Israel" . . . "then why would Israel raid towns that Christian Arabs are the majority?" Well, how about because of aforementioned huge mo-fo missile?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

And just look what the Prez of Iran said today. COmparing Isreal leaders to....HITLER?????

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886014306&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

I thought the "Holocaust" did not happen according to that whacko.

ANyone getting the nuts and fruits we are supposed to "negociate with"?????

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

http://blogcentral.jpost.com/Mixer

Check out the blogs in Isreal. You want a human story, here it is, all too real!!!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

IN the words of the "Decider" "It is time for syria to stop this sh@t"

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

I noticed that YOU swbsow did not post anything from an Isreali POV, Pot and the Kettle, Pot and the kettle.

As for the Christian area of Lebanon being shelled...sorry! If you are going to live next to a Hizbollah staging area, you are in the target zone. The Isreali's littered the place with flyers warning the civilians to get our, to get the heck out, before they let fly the ordinance, did Hizbollah?? NO! They just sent 125 rockets today into Isreal, no flyers no warning. You are trying really really hard to give moral equivelancey here and there is none to be found.

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"Well, why didn't they before? Why not put a halt to it before it even started? Why wait until now? According to some here both Hezbollah & Hamas are the evil crimes doers and Israel has innocently sat there doing nothing to provoke anyone. If that is the case, surely Israel would have had the approval of tons of nations in wiping out Hezbollah and Hamas."

They were folowing rules and policy conduct of a Nation of State, and following the UN resolutions, ie playing by the rules, THAT is WHY! Hizbollah IS evil and a terrorists organization, why did Isreal not do it, BEC AUS the UN stated they would take care of it with 1559 resloution!!!!

THat my friend is why Isreal is doing this now, they are leaving nothing to chance,.... and nothing for the UN to decide or try to do.

As for the rest of the world...look at the rest of the region:

"ARAB world FED up with Hizbullah"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886029284&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

YOu just don't get it! You are practicing 1960's pacificism, and it didn't work then either! wake up and smell the world, it is quick and deadly if you are stupid and don't size up people and their intentions. Peace man is not going to do it with a fundamentalists (like Phelps) with a gun and bomb that wants you DEAD!!

Figure it OUT!!!

mooseamoose 8 years, 10 months ago

War and death do solve problems.... ask Hitler or Stalin.

Yes war is a part of our humanity until we evolve.

What bothers me is the glee and joy you find in war Conman.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"I didn't think it was necessary to post anything from the Israeli POV because there has already been a lot posted from that."

Copout strawman.

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" Israel left notice to the Lebense before they attacked? I thought this was war. How kind of Israel to tell the people that they are going to attack (and alert Hezbollah with the flyers too!)!"

Yeah that is right, Isreal would rather blow up the rockets than kill people. That is why they littered the Lebanon south border and Beruit with flyers. That is a conscientious policy by Isreal, that is what you do not get!!!! It is better than what Hizbolluh does, which is nowarning and no targeting. As for the airport, the message is get out of areas we are getting ready to bomb, and there were NO CIVILIANS on the RUNWAY...another strawman argement, you are pretty lame on the debate licks.

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"How many resolutions has the U.N. passed on Israel? How many has Israel complied with? Have they complied with ALL of them?"

Don't know how many, but I do know Isreal has cooperated with about 90% of the land giv back and also usualy trade 2 Isreali prisoner SOLDIERS for about 100 or so Palistenian bombers and terrorists. As for Hamas and Hizbullah, they are in compliance with NONE of the resolutions and continue to violate them.

Have you noticed that NO ONE is calling for Isreal to stop. The world knows and understands eventhough YOU do not, Hizbullah has got to go! Even the Arabs know that. Why then are you being so out of step and obtuse?? Liberal tradition and Democratic thought process that automatically "Isreal is wrong" because the "Republicans like them". How obtuse and politically "yesterday".

This is exactly what you get when you a "follower" of 1960 Hippy liberalism. "Peace man."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Are you aware that part of the prisoner exchange Hezbollah has proposed includes releasing women & children who are in Israeli prisons?"

Two words: Sucicide Bombers. Isreal does not do this. Civilized nations would Negociate, and Isreal did despite those two words happening.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

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"You know what the end response is..."

YEs, Hizbullah will cease to exist or will move to Syria or Iran and quite raising hell in the Middle east, at least not in Isreal or Lebanon. The UN has a big wad of cash just waiting for Lebanon, and so does the US and Isreal after this is all said and done. I foresee that Syria will also do something stupid and will get kicked around too....and the rest of the Arabs will say, you should have not pissed off Isreal and the US with the forces so close. Syria is just a short F-18 flight away from Assaud being DEAD!

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"Do you think razing tombs & houses of the Lebenese people is going to make them want to try to work anything out with Israel? Don't you think a response like that will escalate the situation and inflame those who would not have been fighting into fighting now?"

What an Idiot you are!!! Do you thiunk all the Rockets and homocide bombers have made Isreal want to negociate. You TALK a good game about POV and Tolerance, but your mind is closed by political dogma, and POV isolated by preconceived notions of olng dead political thought.

Wake up! It is a new world. The 60 and 70's ar OVER and so YESTERDAY!!!

For people that consider themselves "enlightened", and "educated", and wordly, there are some very ignorant people commenting here (usually from the ancient left POV) that is blitheringly oblivious of danger, terrorism, and people that want to kill them.

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I may confess that some of you are better people than me by looking for the good in the soul of the enemy, and you are to be commended for that. But understand this, as much as YOU are willing to see through the EYES of Hizbullah, Hamas, Al Quaida, ad infinitum, and their POV, and their Hatred of US and the West, and try to understand them.................you must be commended, ............and you must be warned!!

THey do not care or want your "understanding" they want you DEAD. They do not care if you see their POV and disagree with them or agree with them...they waqnt YOU DEAD! And along with you,.... they want every Isreali and every Jew DEAD.

I cannot make the leap of logic and reason to even try.... as I will load a gun, and will degfend you my fellow westerner, US Citizen and friend. Even when we disagree, because WE disagree, THEY cannot have US on the same planet, we have to be eliminated.

That you must come to understand. When you do, the Middle East looks as it truly is, and you can see as it can be. Isreal should be where Christian, Muslim, and Jew can live in peace. That is heaven on earth. It cannot be attained with Hizbolluah or Hamas.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"I just can't get the picture out of my head some family walking to school while ducking rockets aimed at the cowards who place strategic positions in vulnerable civilian neighborhoods."

I can't get the pictures out of my head of all those kids killed by homocide bombers. Plus...Hizbullah is the one that put the rockets in civilian zones and hide among them and use the civilians as shields. We have seen this before out of the Shi'ite arabs fundamentalists.

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Pres. Clinton had almost got peace there, why did it fall through? A greedy little mand that wanted money and power...Arafat. Kept the pot boiling and kept Hamas and Islamic Jihad going. He could have had everything that was asked of Isreal. Pres. Clinton tried and almost pulled it off peacefully, Bush will have to do it with force, but it must be done.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

SWBSOW

"You lose credibility when you post insults & name calling of those who disagree with you."

Yeah you are really big on that, LOL!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "However, these justifications are at best debatable. Israel has not claimed that the transport of arms was current or underway."

Strawman agrument and just BS. IF you had rockets raining down, you would eliminate the inroads too. Don't be even more obtuse.

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"On the other hand, the civilian cost of targeting the airport is high, since it impedes the ability of civilians in Lebanon to escape the fighting or those who remain to receive provisions."

You can't be that slow! Isreal wants those civilians just where they are, they do not want to kill them, they want them inconvienenced, and that will play hell with Hizbullah. They already protested these guys and threw them out, this is Syria wanting to come back in. That even made the UN response today. Syria is to but out.

But you keep on:

"it is illegal under international humanitarian law, as noted below, to use military force to squeeze the civilian population, to enhance its suffering, or to undermine its morale, regardless of the ultimate purpose."

Where does it say that? It is illegal to kill, main, torture , there is nothing about making them extremely uncomfortable anywhere. You pulled that one out of your rear. Isreal is not targeting civilians, they are gathering support and showing the Lebanese who the real bad guys are, those hiding rocket launchers in residential areas. I guess hizbullah should be in HRW jail now. WHY does HRW not condems PLO or the Hizbullah???? They have zero credibility.

Dude wise up before you post.

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From the HRW website:

"The current armed conflict between Hezbollah and Israel is governed by international treaty as well as the rules of customary international humanitarian law. The treaty, specifically, common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 to which Israel is a party, sets forth minimum standards for all parties to a conflict between a state party such as Israel and a non-state party such as Hezbollah. The customary rules are based on established state practice, and bind all parties to an armed conflict, whether state actors or non-state armed groups."

sorry the HRW got it wrong. That is Uniformed and Government forces is covered under hte Geneva convention.

Just because HRW put it on their site does not make it true.

What a maroon!!!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

SWBSOW you are a defender of Hizbullah and HRW has defended terrorists throughout the years.

They are CRAP! These are the guys that want to put the US soldiers in Jail (ALL of them) for War Crimes.

Can't take these guys seriously at all:

Poor Saddam http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/27/iraq12541.htm

Yeah we abuse the world:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/13/global12428.htm

HOw come you don't bring this up in the Iraq debate???:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/10/03/iraq11804.htm

Again there was NO TORTURE at Gitmo Regardless of what HRW says:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/us0405/

Yeah these guys are unbiased and the Left picks and chooses their stories.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

QUIT CUTTING AND PASTING CRAP. I CAN GO TO THE SITE AND READ IT!!! DA!!!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

You do all that cut and paste to "Bury" my response...don't you?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Just a minute swbsow, I think you are getting ahead of yourself.

Check out this link:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...

ANd another from the Jpost:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...

Here ya go too, Pelosi is also PRO-Isreal!!!

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...

NOt only that But Blair also has BUsh's opinion of Syria:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...

And here are the public service numbers and what to do like if rockets come their way....kinda like our tornado warnings....NOT

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...

You guys seeing the light.....yet?????

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"You know what the end response is..."

YEs, Hizbullah will cease to exist or will move to Syria or Iran and quite raising hell in the Middle east, at least not in Isreal or Lebanon. The UN has a big wad of cash just waiting for Lebanon, and so does the US and Isreal after this is all said and done. I foresee that Syria will also do something stupid and will get kicked around too....and the rest of the Arabs will say, you should have not pissed off Isreal and the US with the forces so close. Syria is just a short F-18 flight away from Assaud being DEAD!

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"Do you think razing tombs & houses of the Lebenese people is going to make them want to try to work anything out with Israel? Don't you think a response like that will escalate the situation and inflame those who would not have been fighting into fighting now?"

What an Idiot you are!!! Do you thiunk all the Rockets and homocide bombers have made Isreal want to negociate. You TALK a good game about POV and Tolerance, but your mind is closed by political dogma, and POV isolated by preconceived notions of olng dead political thought.

Wake up! It is a new world. The 60 and 70's ar OVER and so YESTERDAY!!!

For people that consider themselves "enlightened", and "educated", and wordly, there are some very ignorant people commenting here (usually from the ancient left POV) that is blitheringly oblivious of danger, terrorism, and people that want to kill them.

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I may confess that some of you are better people than me by looking for the good in the soul of the enemy, and you are to be commended for that. But understand this, as much as YOU are willing to see through the EYES of Hizbullah, Hamas, Al Quaida, ad infinitum, and their POV, and their Hatred of US and the West, and try to understand them.................you must be commended, ............and you must be warned!!

THey do not care or want your "understanding" they want you DEAD. They do not care if you see their POV and disagree with them or agree with them...they waqnt YOU DEAD! And along with you,.... they want every Isreali and every Jew DEAD.

I cannot make the leap of logic and reason to even try.... as I will load a gun, and will degfend you my fellow westerner, US Citizen and friend. Even when we disagree, because WE disagree, THEY cannot have US on the same planet, we have to be eliminated.

That you must come to understand. When you do, the Middle East looks as it truly is, and you can see as it can be. Isreal should be where Christian, Muslim, and Jew can live in peace. That is heaven on earth. It cannot be attained with Hizbolluah or Hamas.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

CUT and paste war??? At least MINE is ORIGINAL THOUGHT!!!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

That is using a bunch of cut and paste or nonsensical posts or off-topic posts to "BUMP" a really good argument on a blog up higher so no one will read it!

It is the sign of a weak debate technique.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

Because you ONLY POINT out ISREALS FAULTS! That is why. You do not understand what is going on in the "real world" and obviously not traveled much lately.

Yeah you really are a stand up and stand out guy....according to yourself. DID you read what you posted? Narcissistic? Full of yourself? You are quite a guy ....according to you.

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"I guess anyone who wants to stand up for Human Rights is always going to be labeled a terrorist or anti-American or whaever since it isn't always the popular thing to do."

ANother BS argument. YOu are running to a tired old "theory" of how the world works on "Peace,Man".

Appeasment kills more inocents than direct confrontation of the bad guys. Human Rights starts with what is "RIGHT", and that is womething that is not in Human Rights Watch. Was is sometimes necessary, and it is not supposed to be fun or cool, it is to be avoided it at all possible, but sometimes the bad guys make that impossible. The bad guys are Hizbullah, Hamas, Iran, and Syria. No amount of spin will correct that.

Hell, even the Sunni Arabs are not even getting in an uproar! I will bet if you were a fly on the wall in the Sunni Arab world, they secretly hope the US will bomb Syria and Iran. Remember Iran wants to "Wipe Isreal from the face of the earth". How do you negociate, reason, or "Understand that POV"???

"How do you defend it?" is a more important question.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

" Truth isn't also pretty and black & white as you'd like to believe"

YOu are correct and you don't see the gray at all.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

SWBSOW: "Both sides are are violating the Fourth Geneva Convention."

Unh, NO! Tat is about civilian protection during war and "in the hands" of the enemy under occupation. The Civilians are not "ion the hands" of the Isreali Army, nor is their an occupation of Lebanon. The Hizbullah DOES violate the treatment of POW and 4th Geneva Convention by "kidnapping soldiers". The "prisoners" in the Isreali jails has "due process" of courts according to the state of Isreal. Apples and oranges, and another ill informed argement out of SWBSOW!!!

From Wiki:

"The Fourth Geneva Convention (or GCIV) relates to the protection of civilians during times of war "in the hands" of an enemy and under any occupation by a foreign power. This should not be confused with the better known Third Geneva Convention, which deals with the treatment of prisoners of war..."

You don't even read your own posts and citations....I however...DO!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

SWBSOW:

"Have a read, Asbestos. Tell me how loving the Israelis are to the Palestinians. Tell me how nice the over 600,000 Palestians that have been held in Israeli prisons have had it. Tell me how the over 350 minors held in Israeli prisons are being fed candy everyday & get to play with puppies & kittens."

From media monitors? Did you see all the left wing anti-war books at the bottom of the page advertised for sale??? THAT was a left winger website that hates the US. GET A BETTER AND RELIABLE SOURCE OR GO HOME!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

That was like posting from the "Discovery Institute" as fact and "science" SWBSOW!

That had to be a joke!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

I may confess that some of you are better people than me by looking for the good in the soul of the enemy, and you are to be commended for that. But understand this, as much as YOU are willing to see through the EYES of Hizbullah, Hamas, Al Quaida, ad infinitum, and their POV, and their Hatred of US and the West, and try to understand them.................you must be commended, ............and you must be warned!!

THey do not care or want your "understanding" they want you DEAD. They do not care if you see their POV and disagree with them or agree with them...they waqnt YOU DEAD! And along with you,.... they want every Isreali and every Jew DEAD.

I cannot make the leap of logic and reason to even try.... as I will load a gun, and will degfend you my fellow westerner, US Citizen and friend. Even when we disagree, because WE disagree, THEY cannot have US on the same planet, we have to be eliminated.

That you must come to understand. When you do, the Middle East looks as it truly is, and you can see as it can be. Isreal should be where Christian, Muslim, and Jew can live in peace. That is heaven on earth. It cannot be attained with Hizbolluah or Hamas.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

IT is called dlearing BS. Your facts and world view do not compare with reality. IT is your ego sir. I know my failings. You post here like some self absorbed yahoo. I just care very deeply about this issue, the enviroment, and the USA. Without those issues done in the correct way, and not the expedient or popular way, will we survive. Too many times you make suppositions on guesses, Here is a hint to all, Go live in another country for at least a year. Then live in another one, going to work every day. THen come and talk to me about tolerance, cultural respect, and the way the world works.

But do not expect to post BS here as fact and have it "respected" as being a pearl of wisdom. It ain't gonna happen.

You are wrong on this SWBSOW, and it is time to open your eyes and see the world as it really is, not as some liberal academic has told you it is.

Soon you will know who I am, soon.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

SWBSOW:

"Why are these things ignored?"

Why are you so hell bent on painting Isreal as the bad guys? Why do you point out that it is the poop Palestinians and Poor Hizbullah, and poor Hamas that need to be defended by your constant barrage of anti Isreal, anit-jewish and anti-semetic websites and opinions?

How are ya gonna square that one SWBSOW??? Please explain that for all the folks on the blog here. OK?

Again what you do not understand is that those groups that you are defending (by making Isreal the piriah in your discussions) don't care if YOU agree with them, or defend them, or pillerie Isreal. If they had the chance they would chop your head off and or just kill you.

Wise up. The Isreali soldiers ad dead. That's why they can't be returned. Out of all the Isreali Soldiers that were kidnapped or captured buy those groups that you defned, how many were returned ALIVE? Answer me that smartA!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

NO you were going to leave before you started that cut and paste crap from left winger websites because you have no original thoughts of your own. You have to consult the websited that GIVE you your opinion.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

"Even though Israel unilaterally withdrew its troops and settlements from Gaza in 2005, it continues to have obligations as an occupying power in Gaza because of its almost complete control over Gaza's borders, sea and air space, tax revenue, utilities, and the internal economy of Gaza."

Negative. That is Soverign Palistinian soil, the Isrealis do not "occupi it". Hence the fourth Geneva convention protection does not apply. As for the Power Plant, tough. Isreal does not "occupy it". End of story.

Got Ya again!

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

OK, go "cut and paste" something irrelevant, blame it on Isreal, or go post something from a site you don't read or understand.

I will be back tomorrow to tear it down.

rwales 8 years, 10 months ago

If you so called enlightened people can't get along what right do have to demand that people on the other side of the world should get along. Clean up your own house before you take on the world.

xenophonschild 8 years, 10 months ago

Jews & Muslims: a pox on both their houses. If only there was some way to get fundamentalist Christian conservative Republicans to shoot rockets at each other here.

Frozen embryos, anyone?

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

The total number of deaths in Lebanon was reduced. Jan England from the UN is raising hell again. If there is a reason to bag on the USA there is Jan, remember the Tsunami crap we took from that guy? NOw here he is in Lebanon making it an anti-US thing.

Humanitarian Crisis? What about Darfur? Rwanda? 100,000s of deaths and not a peep.

HOWEVER, the Isreali DF goes after the Hizbullah, all the while warning the civilians they ar going to get bombed and to get out of the area, there is JAN, bitching.

THe US is two faced. IF they were real and had any credibility they would ask for Hizbullah,s head on a platter and to go back to Iran. They would aslo sanction Syria and Iran to stop this crap.

ASBESTOS 8 years, 10 months ago

I meant the UN is 2 faced!

"THe US (Supposed to be the UN) is two faced. IF they were real and had any credibility they would ask for Hizbullah,s head on a platter and to go back to Iran. They would aslo sanction Syria and Iran to stop this crap."

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