Archive for Saturday, February 25, 2006

Gore-ing the U.S.

The former vice president did not enhance his status with many Americans with his Jeddah remarks.

February 25, 2006


Al Gore has given us still more reasons he should not have been elected president of the United States. His poor judgment and flawed logic certainly do not smack of someone who was smart enough to invent, as he claimed, the Internet. We keep hearing how Gore is truly a brilliant man with a terrific mind, yet when he chooses to speak to crowds, what comes out tends to belie that.

Case in point: The ex-vice president recently spoke at the Jeddah Economic Forum in Saudi Arabia. He went out of his way in such company to bash the United States while supposedly trying to lay the groundwork for better relations between the free and the Islamic world. Gore's utterances infuriated a good many Americans, Democrats and Republicans alike and declined to point out that the Saudis, too, should show more intent to defuse world problems.

Wrote Kathleen Parker of the Orlando Sentinel:

"Perhaps Gore, instead of slapping the U.S. for behaviors unbecoming a superpower, might have asked the Saudi monarchy to stop sponsoring terrorists. He might have asked them to stop funding Islamist schools that teach future terrorists that the U.S. is the Great Satan and that all Americans are infidels who need to be killed.

"That would be a nice start to our keeping open channels of friendship and mutual understanding. On the other hand, it would probably be considered bad manners to bring up terrorism : while a guest in the Host State. Better to bash the home boys, who can be counted upon to resist the urge to behead people with whom they disagree."

Gore declared that the United States committed terrible abuses against Arabs living in the U.S. after the 9-11 attacks and clearly strayed from the path of truth in so doing. Comments Parker:

"Terrible abuses? Gore apparently was referring to the detention of some 1,200 Arabs in the U.S. in the immediate wake of the 9-11 attacks. With a section of New York destroyed and the smell of burning human flesh still in the air, it seemed reasonable to try to prevent any more attacks. : I'm sure the government considered arresting as many elderly white women as possible, but opted for the politically risky alternative of detaining people of Arab descent whose papers didn't seem perfectly in order and who otherwise fit the description of the 9-11 attackers. Some of those detained, regrettably, were held for a time without being charged or without speedy access to legal representation."

Kathleen Parker's notion of what Gore should have said: "Of course, we're counting on you, good Saudis, to help us ensure that no such atrocity is committed ever again. We know you can't be held accountable for the fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. We don't believe in indicting nations on the basis of a few bad actors. But we sure would appreciate it if you'd consider closing down those hideous schools that teach children to hate and kill."

Barbing the United States while talking among Americans is one thing; going to Jeddah for a paid speech and virtually begging his audience to be repelled by the United States while ignoring the blood baths the Saudis have unleashed is disgraceful. The United States should consider itself Gore-ed. This is the kind of leader we would want?


everettg_99 9 years, 7 months ago

Why waste your breath talking about Gore? We don't have to look past our current President, George W. Bush, for prime examples of how NOT TO LEAD. He claims that after removing Saddam Hussein from power, the torture chambers and rape rooms are empty... but he and Cheney refuse to stop torturing anyone. Amnesty International is only one place where you can find horrific stories of the rapes and torture that the US military has shamelessly enacted upon its prisoners -- now THAT's a real story. Yabbering about Gore so many years after the fact is nothing but a distraction. Watching a nation claim it has the moral high ground while it rapes women and shoves electrodes up the anuses of captives... now that's just sick, but it's been our habit for a good 50 years. My guess is Gore would have been as nasty as the rest of them, but why not concentrate on the matters at hand.

Art 9 years, 7 months ago

Sorry. You lose.

Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet. (The claim he did make has been thoroughly vetted and proven correct. And he did not claim he "invented the internet," ever.)

Sadly, when you start your editorial with a deliberate lie, you totally trash any credibility in the whole article.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

It's interesting that this editorial is apparently based exclusively on someone else's editorial, and as far as I can find, there is no copy of the full text of Gore's speech available anywhere on the internet. Kathleen Parker certainly has no links to it.

I have a feeling this is another typical far-right smear job that takes a few comments out of context (probably the only ones she has even heard,) and inflated into the strawman of her choosing.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

No, it's incumbent upon a so-called journalist to provide a link to the entire address. Of if they don't have it, they should say that they are commenting on nothing more than hearsay, which is apparently the case.

jhoman 9 years, 7 months ago

"Gore actually said he took the initiative in CREATING the Internet. Given that many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977, Gore's statement was still false. The J-W chose the wrong verb, but its point is still valid."

"Gore made a huge mistake by delivering an objectively pro-terrorist speech in Jeddah?"

Objectively pro-terrorist? I don't think so. He bashes Iran, calling them "hyper-corrupt." Read:

And remember this?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

Here's the actual 1999 statement that the internet myth is base upon:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

That's hardly the same as saying he invented it, which is what is normally attributed to him. But apparently his contributions aren't as minimal as you'd like to portray them. The snopes article debunking this myth closes with this:

"In May 2005, the organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements honored Al Gore with a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet. "He is indeed due some thanks and consideration for his early contributions," said Vint Cerf. "

I guess you wouldn't mind posting a link to Gore's speech in Jeddah, would you, Kevin? We'd like to know read the whole thing so we can know exactly what you mean by "objectively pro-terrorist."

Art 9 years, 7 months ago

Come on, Arminimus. We've been through this before. You've already proven that when you quote someone, "about" what they said is just as good as "exactly" what they said.

You can parse it and define it and dance around it all you want, but you're just obscuring the simple fact.

The fact is Al Gore never said he invented the internet.

That's a fact and you know it.

And anyone who says he said that is lying. And therefore everything else they say is suspect.

It's not all that important what he actually did say. As usual, when there's a clear point made, you try to make it not so clear. The simple point is, the editorial writer is deliberately misleading. My comment was not about Gore. It was about the editorial writer.

Your turn. Go on now and explain how it's Clinton's fault.

classclown 9 years, 7 months ago

Didn't Al Gore also claim the movie "Love Story" was about him also?

Art 9 years, 7 months ago

Class Clown:

As I recall, what Gore said about "Love Story" was that he read somewhere in a newspaper article that it was partially based on him.

And, in interviews, his former college roommate who wrote the book said that yes, indeed, he did base much of the character on his former roommate.

Like the internet remark, Gore haters usually exaggerate or distort what he said so they can prove it's a lie.

And Arminimus, heavens to Betsy; have you no shame at all? You come here every day hacking out these rabid screeds about your beloved Bush, and then have the nerve to say Gore has said and done some stupid things. Sorry pal. Your guy W is the golden standard for stupid things.

"I know the fish and human can coexist."

"Its hard to put food on your family."

"Japan and America have had a century and a half of peace and cooperation."

"Noocular, noocular, noocular, noocular, misunderestimated noocular."

Geez. What a maroon.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

"Just because Bush has misspoke"

That should be "misspoken, Kevin.

Still waiting for a link to the entire address, so you can show exactly what is "objectively pro-terrorist" about it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

In other words, all your comments about Gore's statements are based on nothing more than hearsay.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

With what little I've heard of Gore's address, I agree. BushCo cast a very broad net and ruined a lot of innocent people's lives in the aftermath based on nothing more than ethnicity and national origin, (and a lack of friend-of-the-Bushes status.)

But it'd be kind of silly to "embrace" an address that I haven't heard or read, just as it's silly for you to condemn one you haven't heard or read.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

So ruining more innocent lives helped how?

The internment of Japanese Americans in WWII was wrong. It can't be used as justification for any actions of the present administration, though I know you'll never tire of attempting to do so.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

In your mind, if anyone commits any infraction of any sort, percieved or real, they deserve whatever BushCo thinks they have coming, including torture, death or imprisonment for life without charge or due process.

So I doubt that there's anything I can say that you would help you understand why most of the world thinks the racist sweeps after 9-11 were wrong.

And stop with stupid partisan crap about Reagan's apology to the Japanese. Nobody is pooh-poohing anything, and the pardons and reparations were not a partisan issue when they finally came. The reasons they didn't come any sooner are black marks against both parties.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 7 months ago

If their comments are based on very selective excerpts of the address they should say so. Any decent journalist knows that context does mean something. That's even true for Dubya on rare occasions.

Curtiss 9 years, 7 months ago

Arminius' posts in this thread:

1) Gore couldn't have helped build the internet, because wire was already invented before he got involved. Bozo is ignorant.

2) Harry Belafonte blah blah blah. Read Kathleen Parker's column on Gore's dumb speech.

3) What J-W says is right, even if they get it wrong. Bush is protecting us all and we should thank him and adore him like I obviously do.

4) Holygrail is ignorant.

5) Gore is a shameless opportunist. Blah blah blah Love Canal. Blah blah blah Ahmed Chalabi.

6) Cal Thomas is real smart. Remember when Gore mistreated Arabs, too?

7) Has Gore denied making those statements? (Yes, Arminius, he hangs on your every word and your accusations worry him terribly. He'll be addressing your questions in a press conference tomorrow.)

8) You think Bush is ruining lives? NINE ELEVEN! PEARL HARBOR!

9) NINE ELEVEN! NINE ELEVEN! LIBERALS! Reagan was wonderful too.

10) Hunh uhn. Wasn't either!

11) Oh, darn, you said what I wanted to say.

And then, get this! The fool says:

12) "The issue we've been discussing in this thread is alleged mistreatment of Arabs in THIS country. Try to keep up."

Bwahahahahahaha! "Try to keep up!" That's rich!

Arminius, you know the only subject you are even capable of discussing is how it's all really Clinton's fault. This is a really weak showing for you. Come on, distort some facts, jump to some conclusions! You're becoming as boring as you are mindless and repetitive.

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