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Lawrence and Douglas County

Lawrence and Douglas county

Six arrested outside downtown club

Altercations keep police busy on Christmas Eve near Last Call

December 27, 2006

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Christmas Eve got off to a bad start at Last Call, 729 N.H.

Lawrence police arrested six people after three separate incidents early Sunday, including a six-person fight on New Hampshire Street outside the nightclub.

The violence resulting from the incidents was kept to a minimum, police say, because of security at the club and frequent patrols in the area.

"It just didn't pan out to be that much," police spokeswoman Kim Murphree said Tuesday. "We had officers on the scene pretty quickly."

The arrests came after several violent incidents this month at the club, including an altercation that led to a drug-dealing arrest and gun violations.

When officers showed up around 3 a.m. Sunday at the bar, they found six people fighting in a large crowd along New Hampshire Street, police said.

It was the third police visit to the club that night. Earlier, officers arrested a Kansas City, Kan., man after he refused to leave the bar and got into an altercation with a bouncer.

An hour later at 1:30 a.m., police on foot patrol found bar security outside struggling with a Kansas City, Mo., man after he had been thrown out three times, police said. He was trying to get back into the bar.

The man was arrested for trespassing. After a more thorough search at the jail, officers said they found a box cutter in his shoe that he apparently was trying to bring into the club.

After the 3 a.m. rumble outside the club, police and security guards calmed the crowd and sent folks on their way. In the end, police made four arrests for battery, resisting arrest and obstruction.

All four people arrested were from the Kansas City area, according to jail records.

Earlier this month, a Kansas Highway Patrol helicopter assisted Lawrence police in searching for people coming to the club with guns. Police received a tip about a possible threat from people attending a concert there, police said at the time.

As a result of those Dec. 15 searches, police arrested two Kansas City, Mo., men on gun violations.

The club has been the scene of several altercations during the past year, including a person shooting a handgun in May inside the club.

Comments

Berserk 8 years ago

Let's see... hrm... I wonder what the solution is to all the crime that is happening downtown after hours... I am having some trouble thinking of what it could possibly be...

... ...

OH, WAIT!

CLOSE LAST CALL DOWN, AND THE TRASH WILL STOP COMING HERE.

lonelyboy 8 years ago

Can't the City do something about this !@#$hole? Make a new city ordinance and close this hole or wait til someone gets killed b/c of this place. When will a tow company get into the act and start towing from Borders?

Hey Bo Harris no one will want to live in your beautiful palace that you built. How about buying the building and close this place , put in a office for all upcoming projects/managment . Borders + Bo + City you all have more $$ and power than the guy that rents/owns. Imminent domain someone??

aeroscout17 8 years ago

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Pull the license!!!

We are having to pay extra money for extra patrols there, or we have other parts of the city lacking coverage. Last call for Last Call!

rollcar 8 years ago

Yeah, I wish somebody could tell me from an (informed) police perspective, at what point they say enough is enough.

lonelyboy 8 years ago

Business owners and community need to protest this place before someone gets killed like at the Granasty.

countrygirl 8 years ago

Pull what license? The city can't pull a liquor license according to another article today. Only the Kansas Dept of Revenue can do that. The place needs to go, but where do you find the legal grounds?

Lars Larson 8 years ago

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be done, but if they shut down Last Call, they'll just go somewhere else.

rollcar 8 years ago

I know there will always be troublemakers, but I don't remember there being one location like this that seemed to consistently attract them. Well, maybe Tremors...

aeroscout17 8 years ago

Do they not have to have a business license besides a liquor license?

TKELuke 8 years ago

Maybe we just need an Athlete to get stabbed and then it will get shut down. That seemed to work before.

opinion 8 years ago

Just what could the owner/manager of Last Call do to prevent the trouble? Is he/she responsible for what the patrons do outside of his/her place?

I don't like it (the trouble) but I have noticed recently that we always tend to blame the owner. They are not getting in fights; they are not selling drugs; they are not carrying weapons (I don't think :^) ) Should we blame them for the actions of others?

I wish it would go away but what is a business owner to do when their clientele become a problem outside of their place of business?

This kind of reminds me of the Katrina abuses we have been reading about. Everyone wants to criticize the gov't for the billions of $'s getting into the wrong hands. Where is the outrage for the dishonest people that took the handouts? We have become a society that says "if it is gov't or a business" they are to blame when people take advantage of them - not the abusers themselves.

sublime 8 years ago

Last call sucks,but there will always be a bar that is a little more rowdy than the rest.Remember the Congo?

rollcar 8 years ago

But this guy is not some passive observer. When you own/operate a business, particularly in a tight-knit community like downtown Lawrence, you have a social obligation to operate it in a responsible manner. If this guy has no interest in being a good neighbor to those around him, or in providing a safe environment for his loyal customers and other downtown patrons, then let him take his business elsewhere.

There's nothing wrong with running this kind of establishment, it's just in the wrong location. This is like buying a house in Alvamar and planning to park a rusty old trailer in the front yard. You're just asking for trouble.

andilynn 8 years ago

I think that the city should take all the Hip Hop, Rap clubs out into the boonies. That way if someone feels the need to shoot somebody they can and not disrupt the rest of the city. Leave it to the bar owners and Security to deal with and let the LPD and DCS deal with the real issues. The way I see it, the people who bring in the guns/weapons do it for the publicity. Take that away and maybe the crime will disappear too.

lonelyboy 8 years ago

Greyheim -- good point but if your tenant was selling crack you would probably loose your property if they got busted and bring you down with them, when someone dies from an overdose or gunshot / stabbing in this cesspool he will be sued and file bankruptcy .. slimeball.

doc1 8 years ago

Cool, thats a pretty dumb post, obviously you haven't been there at closing time. Look... They close at 300 and by 245 there are ALWAYS at least 4-5 Officers already standing outside the bar. Don't make stupid management complaints when you don't already know what measures are being taken. If there was an easy fix it would have been done. But there isn't

dacs23 8 years ago

"I'm not sure what exactly needs to be done, but if they shut down Last Call, they'll just go somewhere else."

Yes like back to K.C. and Topeka where these people live and out of our community.

On another note...any one want to place bets on the number of arrests at Last Call on new years?

OnlyTheOne 8 years ago

Lesse, 1) Very tight security inside (and outside) the club 2) Works with the Police

but all you folks can do is blame the owner. Why not think a little bit and blame the small percentage of patrons who are the troublemakers?

hilary 8 years ago

Sounds like we need to bring in Dalton.

opinion 8 years ago

hilary,

Supidest show...ever! But, every time it comes on, I am drawn to it like a bug to a light.

"Pain don't hurt"

Bud Stagg 8 years ago

We should pass an ordinance making the N.H. block between 7th and 8th streets a historical district and that only classical music can be played. That will make them leave.

opinion 8 years ago

Joehawk,

Classical music? We know from Clockwork Orange what kind of crowd that would bring.

Moderateguy 8 years ago

Just do a LJW search for "Steffes", the owner of Last Call and Coyotes. This waste of space contributes nothing to our community. He needs to go. He is costing us all a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere. Please City Commission, find a way to shut this guy down.

Sigmund 8 years ago

Take a walk in downtown between midnight and 2am any weekend night. You know what I notice? Those bars that do not have a smoking patio/deck have a groups of intoxicated rowdy patrons hanging out on the public sidewalks smoking cigarettes.

It seems to me that the major risk factor for street violence is directly related to the number of intoxicated people hanging out in the on the sidewalks. I wonder what the incidence of violence is for those places that push their smoking drunk patrons (and their friends) out onto the public sidewalks versus those that have made accommodation for their smoking patrons on their premises?

lynnd 8 years ago

Interesting point Sigmund.

Not all places without smoking decks/patios have rowdy patrons however. Not all places have the ability to make accommodations on their premises, therefore they have no choice but to send the smokers to the sidewalk. I know of several places that would dearly love to make some type of accommodation for smoking, but it's just not possible.

Bob Forer 8 years ago

Lets quit the nonsense and talk turkey. The Last Call is run by Dennis Steffes, the same wealthy businessman who owns Coyotes, and has "silent" interests in several downtown business. The Last Call was a mediocre, hardly popular watering hole until Steffes restyled it as a hip hop club. Viola. Instant sucess. The problem is not that its attracting African-Americans, but rather, that its attracting culturally violent indiviudals, primarily from the inner cities of Kansas City and Topeka. Despite Steffes' attempts to control the crowd with increased security, metal detectors, and other measures, the club remains a magnet for every imaginable variety of scofflaw and thug within a hundred mile radius, which Lawrencians should not welcome. All Steffes cares about is making a buck for himself. While he has tried to control the crowd, hey, its not working. Its about time the city of Lawrence places the safety of its citizens ahead of the pockets of an indiviudal businessman. Close it! If they can figure out a way to close an innocuous sex shop on Massachusetts Street that is harmful to one, surely they can figure out how to eradicate a hangout of gun-toting outlaws. The handwriting is clearly on the wall.

Shelby 8 years ago

TheSychophant makes good points.

fletch 8 years ago

So my neighbor could call the cops to my house if a party is too loud and getting out of hand and claim it as a public nuisance, but we can't have the city go after Last Call, which is inherently more dangerous and degrades the town as a whole? That's some BS right there.

Unix_Admin 8 years ago

We finally got rid of Midwest Graphics and the losers who own that place-but know we have a new loser downtown!

Motivation 8 years ago

Regardless of where you live, there will always be the "bar scene" alive and well in every town. Even when I lived and visited clubs in Washington DC, the police would stand directly outside the night clubs when they shut down and fights would still break out.

And people expect better from a long-time college town?? Come on people. There is no stopping the violence surrounding night clubs in a college town. The fact is, not all college students behave in a responsible manor and there is nothing anyone can do about that.

The LPD and security can attempt a best effort to reduce the violence. However, Denny's was always violent in the parking lot also. So, do you all propose that all of the Lawrence businesses just close down at midnight? Come on, be realistic.

Unix_Admin 8 years ago

-but NOW we have a new loser downtown! blushing

Motivation 8 years ago

So you all want to close down the night club that at least has security to handle the rowdy people who come to Lawrence. Here is a question:

What do you think they will all do if there is nowhere else to go? Surely, you don't think they will leave?! The violence will then spread out into the residential areas. I can see that. And citizens getting shot because he/she thinks he/she is big/bad enough to approach them. Get serious people. I've seen that happen in DC. When the gates to the "War Zone" there were taken down, many countless innocent citizens died from crossfire.

The truth of the matter is...Lawrence is a suburb placed strategically between two big cities. Lawrence will always have travelers from Topeka and KC. Or maybe you would all just like to close the L-Town doors and remake "The Village" movie by Night Shamylan (sp?)? Your arguments don't make any sense. Just my opinion.

Sigmund 8 years ago

Neither Mr. Steffes, nor his success in business, are a significant part the problem in Lawrence. Change the ownership of the Last Call and nothing else and the problem is not going to go away. The problem is large groups of people who are immersed in a culture of violence and drug dealing are coming to town get intoxicated and hang out on the streets. There are a NUMBER of reasons why Lawrence is attractive to them, not one of which has anything to do with the size of Mr. Steffes bank account!

If you were looking for a place to sell pot or other illegal drugs, listen to gansta rap or hip hop, get intoxicated, and hang out on the streets with hot college coeds, where else would you go but Lawrence, Kansas? The Kommissioner's even decriminalized marijuana possession in the City! Just be sure to bring your "protection" in case another gangsta tries to take your drugs or your bitches or some frat boy needs an attitude adjustment.

Motivation 8 years ago

Well, definitely Sigmund, Lawrence needs to get a handle on it. ICE is the new bang on the drug scene and Lawrence is sooner or later going to fall into that trap.

Hopefully, law enforcement will be prepared...my hopes for my old home town.

Motivation 8 years ago

greyheim...

Get serious!!! Sigmund was correct. The college coeds and students DO hang out in those clubs. The excitement entices them. And contrary to public opinion, at least in this forum, not ALL hip hop artists are violent drug offenders. I listen to harsh rap and have yet to do anything illegal!! Take that to the bank with your opinions...

Motivation 8 years ago

Okay, greyheim, I'll give you the excitement part. However, several examples of violence in ALL night clubs in Lawrence come to mind. Granada is one, not just for Hip Hop crowds, still violent, even on other nights. And unfortunately, I've seen violence outside of Freestate Brewery also. Coyotes, and simple house parties. Even some fighting outside The Yacht Club. I haven't been to L-Town for many years, but know this. I've seen little college girls in the Hip Hop clubs and acting in ways that Mom and Dad definitely would NOT approve many times. And yes, several of them graduated college and still date the Hip Hop type of man. These girls all stated that "the excitement enticed them" this is where I got that statement from. So, therefore, I'm just stating that your stereotypical way of judgement against this lifestyle needs an adjustment. Your laughing shows how little people try to understand.

I listen to that type of music...and understand it....and maintain a high level of intelligence. That lifestyle only corrupts those that let it.

Although I'm not the typical person, have survived much, I still know several people that grew up in that lifestyle, not all in L-Town, and still yet chose another direction for his/her life. The lifestyle appeals to many survivors. The music is strong and brings messages to people that understand it. I believe that when I was growing up the same dispute came along regarding Rock-n-Roll.

I, myself, applaud Mr. Steffes for showing interest in ALL groups of the younger generation. He owned Coyotes for the people who like country, and now opened another club for another group. There is nothing that can be done to prevent others actions. If you close Last Call, they will just find another club or party to go to.

The people coming in from other cities are here to get away from the inner city and most likely, only know one way of handling things. I'm not excusing the behavior, but unknowing security never knows what will happen.

Sigmund 8 years ago

College kids, like any other kids their age, go to the Last Call for the very same reasons. To socialize in an environment with others their age who are into the same things. That includes drugs and the hip hop gansta rap "scene" which includes violent intoxicated gun toting drug dealers. Then because of the Kommissioner's puritanical smoking ordinance, every bar without a smoking area pushes their intoxicated smoking clients out on our streets and sidewalks with other all the other intoxicated kids who aren't specifically attracted to these venues.

Now lets all pretended we are SHOCKED and STUNNED when violent confrontations which involve drugs, guns and college aged kids increase on Lawrence streets. Now lets blame the rich bar owner, on three. One, two, three!

This is a complex problem and no single measure is going to solve it, but as a start the Kommissioner's should either repeal the smoking ordinance, relax the ordinance inside bars, or make it cover all the public streets and sidewalks. Then the Kommission should repeal the marijuana ordinance which reduces the possible penalties for pot possession. These two actions would reduce the publicly intoxicated crowds on our streets reducing the opportunities for confrontations, and send a signal that the Lawrence community does not tolerate illegal drug use within the City.

introversion 8 years ago

"I haven't been to L-Town for many years, but know this."

-Motivation

Nice.

lawrencebartender 8 years ago

Calm down everyone. Most or possibly all of the people posting here have not been harmed by Last Call or anyone visiting Last Call. "SHUT IT DOWN". Hopefully they don't shut down Last Call. There are quite a few college students that work there and NEED that job.

Motivation 8 years ago

Well, I'm glad that you all feel that you have a PhD in this subject. I hate to inform all of you that U R WRONG!!!Last Call is NOT the only establishment that has this problem, it's just the only establishment that has now made the news.

greyheim,

You have stated several times that you think Granada is a nice place to go. OH YEAH!!! I truly enjoy the experience in an establishment that my feet stick to the floor!! YUCK...

introversion,

I've never attended a gathering at Last Call. However, I hope you are not trying to be sarcastic? Just because someone doesn't go into that town, I lived in Washington DC for 8 years and came back to the same town. Lawrence will never change...

Sigmund 7 years, 12 months ago

There is no allegation here that Steffes or his employees have broken any laws. He has not been charged with drugs, guns, or violent crimes. He is not the problem and running him out of business will not solve the problem. Nope, the characteristics that make Lawrence attractive to the violent, drug dealing, gun carrying, gangsta's from Topeka and KC are much more systemic than just the Last Call.

A downtown filled with intoxicated college kids (many under aged) wandering the streets looking for an "after party" when the bars close, a reputation for lax drug enforcement (including decriminalization of pot), and a perception that the LPD is a small town, understaffed, ineffective police force all add to Lawrence's appeal.

Steffes is not breaking the law so there is not a lot that can be done about him anyway. Try crafting a new ordinance that impacts only him (or the Last Call, or hip hop, or gansta rap) and it is likely not to survive a court challenge. Lawrence needs to begin to address what things it can. Repealing the Kommissioner's kinder gentler marijuana ordinance and reducing the numbers of publicly intoxicated college kids on the street are things the Kommission can do with very little or no costs. Beefing up the size of the LPD and increasing their presence on the streets will be more costly and is probably necessary now or in the near future.

While I can't recall any altercations between Last Call patrons and those not at the Last Call which have made the paper, I am VERY confident they have occurred! Any policy, no matter how well intentioned, that puts groups of intoxicated college aged kids on the streets of downtown is going to increase the likelihood of violence.

Crispian Paul 7 years, 12 months ago

Posted by mapmaker (anonymous) on December 27, 2006 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be done, but if they shut down Last Call, they'll just go somewhere else.

Who is "they"?

Posted by andilynn (anonymous) on December 27, 2006 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that the city should take all the Hip Hop, Rap clubs out into the boonies.

That's smart.

What I am reading here is pretty much "Veiled racism, blah blah, veiled racism, blah blah, veiled classism, blah blah, veiled racism, blah blah, generalizations about a particular culture, veiled racism, blah blah".

I listen to hip hop (among the other half dozen or so types of music I enjoy), I've been dancing at Last Call, I have a Master's degree, and am a professional. I am not a thug. I have lived in Lawrence for ten years. There, did I just about cover every general racist/classist/stereotyped view point here?

Yes, Last Call has a reputation. In the years I have lived here, many bars have had different reputations. Granada is known as a "meat market scene" where for the first several years I lived here, you could get alcohol just about any time you went there, even if you wer 18-20. When I first moved here, there was a lot of talk about date rapes stemming from multiple "college bars" including The "Bull" and the "Hawk". There was a lot of talk about LA's being a "thug" hang out and Tremors was a "thug" or "gay" bar depending on when you went there. Does anyone remember how quiet 11th and Mass was before It's Brothers moved in where Tin Pan Alley/Jester's/Jersey's used to be? Now it's pretty rowdy late at night. Have you ever seen Bottlenck after Heavy Metal shows? All the "scary" kids in black with eyeliner. The point being, you are going to find good, decent people any where you go and you will certainly find a$$holes any where you go....just look at the frat boys in town :)

Sigmund 7 years, 12 months ago

Oh, BTW, the Kommission, no matter the rhetoric, will do none of these things. The Last Call, and Steffes other businesses, bring in the sacred and coveted sales tax revenues not to mention property taxes. Steffes is NOT the only person who benefits when the gang bangers buy their drinks in Lawrence! The Kommissioner's get their cut of the action and if they have their way they want it to go up another 1%!

The Kommission DESPERATELY needs those revenues if it hopes to continue it's yearly million dollar subsidies of the Lawrence Bus Company, line the pockets of developers by building a $30,000,000 library in their desperate bid to increase traffic for the downtown landlords, pander to the gay lesbian community by funding a Domestic Partner Registry, or fund a handpicked group of experts to study every problem only to come to a predetermined conclusions.

Part of the rationale of the Kommission's marijuana ordinance was to keep students from losing their student loan money so that they could continue to spend money in downtown Lawrence and is designed to divert fines from the Douglas County District Court system directly to the City of Lawrence court system!

Nope the most this Kommission will ever do is pay some experts between $20K to $50K to study the problem. It's the PLC way.

a2thek 7 years, 12 months ago

This is a numbers game and everybody knows it. The more people that not only start to overpopulate the US and Midwest areas you will start to see more and more violence/killings. I mean where is everybody to live, stay and go? I mean after all we have so many border jumpers everyday that dont cause to much violence but steal the wage and everything else everyday. I mean let's be realistic here people I think the real problem lies in what our real fears are like how KC/Topeka/lawrence are connected as one and everybody acts as if its not happening. It happend 5-10 years ago. I think LPD is doing one hell of a job being everyday I turn on the TV and there are shootings in Topeka , shootings in KC and just a little bit of violence in Lawrence. I mean I think if you closed down Last Call the violence would increase to a much heavy amount and guess what, I think kids wouldnt have a place to go hang out and you would end up with kids from Topeka or KC or Lawrence driving around doing that thing where they hang out the window and point Uzi's at people or their houses. ITs here people dont act like its not. Anyone own a scanner? Well I do and 2 years ago I listened in on what took 25 cops every other night to break up fights at a place commonly known as "LA's" or Los Amigos in N lawrence. There was people stabbed and arrested with guns in possession and it carried about a two sentence article in the paper the next day and sometimes never even made the paper. Also they did a report in the paper that over by the hospitol around 2nd or 3rd st and on the west side around Jana Dr that there was reports of gun fire every night and that was two years ago. When I lived at Apple Lane Apts off 15th and Kasold 5 years ago someone drove down Lawrence ave firing a semi assault rifle from 15th all the way to 6th St. Police came and couldnt catch them but did find all the signs along Lawrence Ave had bullet holes in them and said the rest of bullets they probably fired up in the air. So not to put a scare in everybody but if you havent lived around it quit acting as if Last Call is the only source of violence in Lawrence and the US and thank the LPD because they are doing one hell of a job.

budwhysir 7 years, 12 months ago

Welcome to the great town of lawrence. So I hope everyone doesnt think that robo cop can help us. Darth vader is the defender of the dark side.

How bout this, instead of revitalizing downtown lawrence into a 10 block string of pub and night clubs, lets establish more churches and homeless shelters thus eliminating a compact area of alcohol consumption.

Also, why do we want people drinking downtown, why not send em to the country and let em drink. Or drink at home. Politicaly speaking I believe we have a drinking problem in lawrence. This should not be confused with a problem of violence. Afterall we do have alot of bars in a town that is full of college students.

budwhysir 7 years, 12 months ago

Lets see, thats 6 cop cars, 6 police officers, 6 prisoners, 6 jail cell cots, and oh yeah, 6 days untill we can have a court apperance.

Lets revitalize downtown and make it a non drinking down town.

Sigmund 7 years, 12 months ago

Seems like Sven has gone off the deep end...

justmehere 7 years, 12 months ago

Well, let's face. It was just a matter of time. Remember when everyone was having cows over "corporate america" moving downtown? Businesses like the GAP and Borders? Remember how everyone was up in arms over Lawrence becoming the next Westport? The beauty of Lawrence has always been the fact that it opens its arms to ALL people. All genres, all social classes, all religions, etc. Good, bad and ugly. Does that mean we like it? Nope. But it's going to happen eventually. We can't live in a bubble our whole lives. I'm sure the Cleavers weren't too happy when all the hippies moved in back in the '60's either. Nobody likes a troublemaker, don't get me wrong; however, it's (violence, crime) a part of the real world that many people here would rather cover their eyes to. Personally I think the michievious makers that come from out of town come here just for that.....it's not their town, they don't live here, they don't care. I'm sure there are a lot of people that act differently when they are cutting loose in a different town than their own. Ok, so maybe Lawrence isn't exactly Vegas in comparison to Topeka and Kansas City, but maybe it allows the trouble makers to feel like big dogs because they can't cut it for real in their own hoods? Maybe they are just ignorant? Maybe they are really smart and are just doing stupid things?

I too have seen plenty of "bar" violence in Lawrence, not just at Last Call. Music has nothing to do with it...it rarely does. More times than not it's due to testosterone OD.

There used to be a place here in town 15-20 years ago called the Outhouse (think it's a strip bar now). People always tried to get it shut down because of the crowd that went there. At that time everyone was scared of the skinheads and punk kids. Usually the only real trouble was from the outside crowd (frat boys, cowboys) coming to instigate fights with the "freaks."

Oh, and also, someone said something earlier about the crowd that goes to Last Call....about college coeds doing things their parent's wouldn't approve...I totally agree. People metamorphosize sometimes when they start drinking or doing drugs. They somehow develop alter egos....some good, some bad.

Common sense isn't so common.

Don't blame the cops, don't blame the owners, don't blame the patrons that come to have fun...blame the individuals.

Kelly Powell 7 years, 12 months ago

budwhysir....send people to the country to drink and party and you will have many road fatalitys...and many dui's.....Does the reponsible drunkard have to pay a price for the few?

budwhysir 7 years, 12 months ago

redneck:

No, Im thinking more along the lines of a KOA camp style bar in the country. I am just tryin to save downtown. If we move the bars out, we could revitalize and put in alot of frilly expensive stores that no one would go to.

I wouldnt want people trying dui. Everyone should drink responsibly. dui isnt good any way you look at it.

budwhysir 7 years, 12 months ago

Lets not blame the drinkers here. The real problem is the people fighting

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