LUBBOCK, TEX. ? Bob Knight talks to his son every day about coaching.

It isn’t always about offense, defense or even recruiting. Sometimes it’s about dealing with a particular player or the media.

But one topic they discussed last season surprised Pat Knight, who will take over at Texas Tech whenever his father retires.

“Believe it or not, my use of language,” said the younger Knight, noting the irony of the conversation given his father’s penchant for spewing expletives. “He just brought it up.”

Pat Knight will be beside his father Saturday, his first chance to tie Dean Smith as the all-time winningest Division I men’s coach with 879 victories. Texas Tech (9-3) plays at home against Bucknell (5-5).

Since his father arrived at Tech in 2001, Pat Knight has been taking notes, literally. Bob Knight suggested his son keep a notebook and jot down coaching tidbits and inspirational fodder to motivate players.

But the learning began years earlier.

“I think it really started when I played for him at Indiana,” said Pat Knight, who played for the Hoosiers from 1991-95. “But it’s been even better being a coach.”

It’s not all sweetness, though. Sometimes their discussions turn into head-butting sessions.

“It gets heated at times but at least we get all our ideas on the table,” Pat Knight said. “We each want to get our point across.”

The senior Knight downplayed the help he gives his son, other assistants and players.

“I just teach them the little I know and hope it helps them become better,” Bob Knight said.

Texas Tech athletic director Gerald Myers, who brought Knight to West Texas after he was fired from Indiana University, said the father and son work well together.

“I think it’s been good for Bob,” Myers said. “I can’t imagine any of his former assistants having more input or influence than (Pat) has as far as game preparation and recruiting.”

TEXAS TECH HEAD COACH BOB KNIGHT, RIGHT, AND HIS SON, PAT, look for a call during the Red Raiders' game against North Dakota State earlier this season. Pat Knight is in line to take over the Texas Tech program whenever his dad - who is about to become college basketball's all-time winningest coach - decides to call it a career.

Bob Knight’s knowledge has been amassed through 41 years of coaching. During that time he’s won three national championships, 11 Big Ten titles and an Olympic gold medal in 1984. Earlier this month he took over the No. 2 spot on the victory list from Kentucky legend Adolph Rupp, who held the No. 1 spot for 25 years until Smith, who coached his entire career at North Carolina, topped him in 1997.

Knight has garnered headlines for his accomplishments and for his volatile temper. His disdain for reporters, the media in general, is well-known. He’s talked about it that, too, Pat Knight said.

“It’s amazing the different aspects he talks to me about,” like “dealing with the press better than he has,” the younger Knight said.

Side-by-side on the bench, there have been moments when Pat Knight bounds up just after his father when he looks as if he’s about to unleash his well-known temper. Pat Knight tries to calm him, the son said.

“You got to,” Pat Knight said. “If I didn’t do it no telling what would happen.”

Some say the time at Tech is a second chance for father and son to spend time together. Before his divorce in 1986, Bob Knight was often on the road. After the split, Pat Knight lived with his mother.

“It’s a great opportunity to have a relationship with his kids, a second opportunity, and in a different way, too,” said Steve Downing, who played for Knight at Indiana and is an associate athletic director at Tech. “I don’t think you can put a price on that type of relationship.”

Bob Knight’s older son, Tim, works at Tech as an assistant athletic director for special projects in the basketball program.

When Bob Knight was about 36 years old he gave thought to coaching only another four years. Now he says he doesn’t know how much longer he’ll go on, though he joked recently he’s not nearly done at age 66 and “may be incapable of doing anything else.”

“I’ll probably coach till I’m 90,” he said.

That mind-set is fine with Pat Knight, who graduated from Indiana five years before his father was fired in September 2000 for what school officials called a violation of a zero-tolerance behavior policy.

Bob Knight has agreed to a contract extension at Tech through the 2010-11 season.

Retirement isn’t part of their conversations, said Pat Knight, who was named head coach designate before the start of last season.