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Kansas attorney general wins award after losing election

J-W Staff Reports

December 18, 2006

TOPEKA — Operation Rescue, a national anti-abortion group, today gave outgoing Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline its man of the year award.

Kline received the award for his investigation into two abortion clinics, said Troy Newman, president of the organization.

Kline has said he is investigating allegations of sex offenses and illegal late-term abortions. The clinics have accused Kline of going on a politically motivated fishing expedition.

Kline was defeated in the general election in November by Democrat Paul Morrison, who made an issue of the investigation during the campaign.

Newman said of Kline, "It would have been politically expedient to have walked away from his investigation in order to save his political career, but instead he chose to stand on integrity and principle."

Kline was then appointed by Republican Party precinct officials to take Morrison's place as Johnson County district attorney.

Operation Rescue gave its woman of the year award to Leslie Unruh for spearheading an abortion ban in South Dakota. The law was repealed in the November general election .

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18 December 2006
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heysoos (Anonymous) says…

Shocker.
18 December 2006
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

Congratulations General Kline. And thank you to everyone working to end abortion in America.
18 December 2006
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jonas (Anonymous) says…

… no matter how many laws need to be reinvented.
18 December 2006
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Life is too rich sometimes.
18 December 2006
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…

“Christian Taliban Ideologue of the Year” is more like it.

How pathetic to give your “Man of the Year” award to the biggest loser of the year in Kansas. But funny.

Kansans do not care for Phillll Kline and tire of the hateful politics of dogma and ideology from the anti-abortion christian right.
18 December 2006
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

http://www.operationrescue.org/

http://www.feministsforlife.org/
18 December 2006
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bearclaws (Anonymous) says…

Ha!! In your face, Phil Kline! I was named Time's Man of the Year, and you had to settle for some piddly anti-abortion organization. Hope the plaque they give you looks good next to your “Kansas Attorney General Runner Up” trophy sitting on your mantle

18 December 2006
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BrianR (Anonymous) says…

I am fascinated by the insane idea that overturning Roe will somehow end abortion. It will not end abortion. Wake up.
18 December 2006
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“I am fascinated by the insane idea that overturning Roe will somehow end abortion. It will not end abortion. Wake up”

No kidding BrianR, thank you.
18 December 2006
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Baille (Anonymous) says…

Funny, I read the the American Mathematical Society just gave out its Lowest Common Denominator Award to Operation Rescue.

There must be a connection…
18 December 2006
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gabbo (Anonymous) says…

Winning an award from these people would be near the last thing I would ever want to accomplish. We are lucky, not living in JoCO, that Phill can no longer watch us. A 60/40 loss in an incumbent AG race is a public uprising against a candidate. Seems like NAMBLA giving an award to Mark Foley.
18 December 2006
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…

“I am fascinated by the insane idea that overturning Roe will somehow end abortion. It will not end abortion. Wake up”

No, the only thing that will end abortion is preventing women from having sex or killing them if they do. The muhammedan taliban does this quite nicely. They force women out of the public eye, make them wear burkhas when in public, and kill them if they are raped or have sex outside of marriage (honor killings).

The christian taliban are not as far from this as you might think. Whether xtian or muhammedan, religious dogma often leads to the same repressive results.
18 December 2006
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granny (Anonymous) says…

If a woman really wants an abortion - she will get it - Law or No Law. It may cost her more money, it may be illegal, and it will probably put her life in danger - but she will get the abortion.

Heard of any coat hanger stories lately? I haven't either, but if the law changes I'm sure we will.
18 December 2006
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…

right_thinker, is everyone that DIDN'T vote for Phil Kline a Hollywood type, SP (whatever that is), far-left and Godless person?
18 December 2006
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srj (Anonymous) says…

I am hoping the abortion issue goes away with the “morning after pill” being OTC.

18 December 2006
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Baille (Anonymous) says…

SP is the Bill O'Reilly term for “secular progressives.” What's the matter, BigAl? You didn't drink your Koo-Aid today?
18 December 2006
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…

Christianity must not be allowed to supplant our secular democracy. Religion warps the mind by placing “faith” in high regard. Faith is nothing more than believing something despite a lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary. This is a form of insanity.

We are all in deep trouble if faithful christians are allowed to continue their assault on our democracy. Once one is able to have faith (e.g. believe something despite lack of evidence), there is no telling the atrocities of which they will be capable (when they are no longer responsible for their actions becaue of faith).
18 December 2006
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nekansan (Anonymous) says…

If you really want to reward someone for preventing abortions, then the award should go to orginazations that promote birth control and sex education like Planned Parenthood. All Operation Rescue is doing by giving Kline this award is pouring fuel on the polotical fire, not helping prevent abortions.
18 December 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

“In 1988, [Cheryl] Sullenger plead guilty to conspiring to blow up the Alvarado Medical Center for which she received a light prison sentence of 2.5 years. She supplied fellow terrorist Eric Svelmoe with gunpowder, gasoline, fuses and other chemical materials. Her husband Randall, although active in her terrorist plot, was not charged with any crimes.”

http://www.maggotpunks.com/antis/file…

I'm kinda surprised Newman and Sullenger didn't name both Kline and Bryan J. Brown as co-conspira—uuuhhhh, I mean, co-recipients of this year's award.

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18 December 2006
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Who would want a woman who would,without a life threatening reason, make the “choice” to kill a baby anyway?

There were a few of that kind of woman hanged following trials at Nuremberg.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/…

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18 December 2006
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opinion (Anonymous) says…

Agnostic,

Sincere question: Does the maggotpunks site reflect your beliefs?
18 December 2006
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BunE (Anonymous) says…

Operation Rescue is a farce, they have no reason to actually want abortion to end. It would mean the end of the Republican Party. The Abortion thing has been whipped up that most people who vote GOP only do so to stop the “Baby Killin”. There is also the dirty little secret that Op Res will fight for the rights of the unborn and then turn around and not give a whit when medicare is slashed, W.I.C. is cut and neo natal care is limited by the insurance companies…not to mention most of these Operation Rescuers think its ok to murder abortion providers and execute people.

And for those of you who think that males are being trivialized or whatever nonsense here is a truism: If you are a white male born in the US, you have to be a complete idiot NOT to make something of yourself and you probably fettered away a whole lot of opportunities on the way.

Feminist = socialist? You have no idea what a socialist is do you? You throw that word around in order to scare people, don't get me wrong, its sweet rhetoric and it works a lot, but I have come to expect more from you.

As far as “in god we trust” it first appeared on money in 1862, hardly in the infancy of the country. War tends to make people worry about their souls…
18 December 2006
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…

“In God We Trust” on US money is a recent thing. This phrase was not on US money until an effort by american catholics after world war II.

Thanks for bringing this up. This is a nice example of our secular democracy being assaulted by religion.

18 December 2006
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…

I stand corrected. It first appeared during the civil war as BunE stated.

http://www.treasury.gov/education/fac…
18 December 2006
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average (Anonymous) says…

Actually, it wasn't on the dollar bill (the paper kind) until 1957. Before then (roughly), money was based on real silver and gold. Now, you'd better trust to God that the government doesn't print trillions of dollars out of thin air.
18 December 2006
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

“I am fascinated by the insane idea that overturning Roe will somehow end abortion. It will not end abortion.”

WHAT!!!! I thought outlawing something makes it automatically disappear.

Seriously, I hope abortion is outlawed b/c we need more unwanted children being raised by grandmothers while their daughters go out to get thrills they missed due to teen pregnancy.
18 December 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

opinion: Not all of it, no.

Point?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_W…

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18 December 2006
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

How come Pro-Lifers aren't working as feverishly to end WARS …. !!!

How many Christians are “OK” with blowing up the Middle East?

Hmm …
18 December 2006
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opinion (Anonymous) says…

Agnostick

Because most of the site contains such hate. I didn't think it would be something YOU would reference.

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18 December 2006
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SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

I read a lot of comments here having to do with topics other than the civil and human rights travesty that is abortion in America.
18 December 2006
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drewdun (Anonymous) says…

Right on BunE

Also, you can tell rt is really, really smart.

Like MENSA smart.

“Insane, far-left, SP, Godless, socialist” = everyone who doesn't blindly follow the GOP line. Apparently 70% of Americans who disapprove of Bush fit these descriptives. hhahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha.

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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

STRS …. do you feel the same way about that HUGE travesty in Florida whereby an entire nation (and world) stood by while a woman (Terri Shiavo) was slowly starved to death (13 long days of physical agony) because of the judges?

People should have stormed that building to save her. But they didn't … yet they'll go blow up an abortion clinic. Terri Shiavo was aborted … slowly … in front of the whole PLANET.

Yeah … “pro-life” and “freedom” … but only when it suits ya.
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Centrist (Anonymous) says…

drewdun … I guess we're a Commie Nation now!
18 December 2006
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yourworstnightmare (Anonymous) says…

“I read a lot of comments here having to do with topics other than the civil and human rights travesty that is abortion in America.”

What a laugh. You are implying that unborn human embryos deserve the same rights as an adult human.

Civil rights? Do fetuses live in our society?

Human rights? Fetuses are human life, equivalent to an adult?

Tell me, when does an embryo become a full human life?
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

opinion: I won't argue that the site I referenced is pretty extremist, but I believe it contained some fairly important information on the types of people that populate Operation Rescue and other extremist anti-abortion groups.

You may find this more useful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operatio…

How do I know about Sullenger? Earlier this year, I began finding numerous unsolicited emails from a group called K-TIP, or “Kansans for Truth in Politics.” ( http://k-tip.org/ ) Their emails promoted some tour of an abortion clinic that had been closed down, and an effort to somehow embarrass Governor Sebelius. I did some digging around online, found the K-TIP “Statement of Organization” form filed with Ron Thornburgh's office (PDF file)…

http://www.accesskansas.org/ethics/CF…

… Googled the names at the bottom of the form, and that's what I found. I even made a post on their forums, sharing what I'd found out.

Not surprisingly, the K-TIP web site has pretty much been abandoned since the second Wednesday in November.

If you have other information and/or sources you'd like to present on ORW and their members, opinion, you're more than welcome to do it, of course. :)

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kugrad (Anonymous) says…

Operation rescue should be classified as a terrorist organization in my personal opinion. In the past, when abortion clinics were bombed and they were asked to make a statement in opposition to bombing clinics, they refused to do so to the best of my knowledge. They have a history of essentially condoning violence toward abortion clinics. This is terrorism by any reasonable definition.
18 December 2006
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BOE (Anonymous) says…

Voters in the red state of Kansas named Phill Kline the winner of a set of steak knives..by a margin a 16 % points.
18 December 2006
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DaREEKKU (Anonymous) says…

Some of you people make me sick. Phil Kline is a lawbreaker, privacy invader, and could give a steaming pile less about “women's health” or “sexual offenders.” It was a personal fundamentalist agenda from the start…..get over it. Good Riddens. He gives Kansans a bad name. You people aren't “pro-life” you are “anti-choice.” Wouldn't pro life ecompass embracing things like nationalized health care, marriage equality, equal adoption opportunities, funding social programs etc? I think those are pro life values, not restricting abortion and then letting the kid be screwed after they are born. Rethink your values.
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yankeelady (Anonymous) says…

I kind of feel like it should be a private decision, you know, the woman and her doctor. And it has always seemed odd to me that the most vicious and vocal anti-choice people are men. Last time I looked men don't get pregnant and can just walk away if they choose.
I also would take them a little more seriously if the concern for the fetus extended after birth. It's more about controlling women than anything else.

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lawrenceman22 (Anonymous) says…

fire all of them they suck jerry mac. the county comm needs a pay raise he just got the boot in the court room when his wife devoriced him ha ha ha
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lawyerlee (Anonymous) says…

Now that's something to be proud of. Whatever.
18 December 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

yankeelady:

These are not my original thoughts… but it seems like you'd appreciate them, nonetheless.

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“If men got pregnant, abortion would be guaranteed by statute, fully paid for by the government.

“If boys got pregnant, abortion would be approved by the Vatican.”

—some user named “Bogtrotter” posting on the CJOnline forums in 2004.
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18 December 2006
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yankeelady (Anonymous) says…

No one has proof that crimes are taking place. The last time I heard, abortion is legal. Roe v Wade. I think that it should be rarely used, but available if no other options exist. The whole argument always focuses on the fetus, once it is born–nothing.
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yankeelady (Anonymous) says…

I agree with an earlier post, easier access to birth contol and accurate sex education would go a long way to reducing abortion. What was the old saying? “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” And it would help keep Phill out of the limelight
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

parkay, there's nothing wrong with fighting crime *anywhere*, including abortion clinics. But there is such a thing as “due process”…

http://www.usconstitution.net/constto…

You may want to familiarize yourself with this, as well, parkay:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:…

When Kline originally tried to get his mitts on the clinic records, he wanted *full* records: names, addresses, the whole enchilada. That not only violates Fourth Amendment of the Constitution, but also the HIPAA statutes as well. It was about a year later that Kline finally got his act together and requested “redacted” records, with identifying information removed.

Why did Kline raise such a big stink about it? I think yankeelady touched on it: The “limelight” of publicity that all politicians love—especially those on a personal crusade.

This not only demonstrated Kline's immense attitude problem, it also demonstrated immense lapses in his legal knowledge. I guess that's to be expected when you let your law license expire while you're busy spewing theocrat invective over the AM radio airwaves.

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opinion (Anonymous) says…

It's quite common on this forum, when talking about the pro-life crowd, for the line “they only care about the baby until its born” or some other variation of that to show up. Repeating that over and over does not make it true. Anectdotally, most of the pro-life people I know quietly support life at all stages through adoption, coordinating and volunteering at soup kitchens, homeless shelters, financial support of needy organizations and so on.

On a research level, the book “Who Really Cares” documents the giving nature of the conservative. Conservatives, it seems, according to the book, actually put their money where their mouth is.

It might make a good bumper sticker for the pro-choice cause to say “they only care about'em till their born” but, overall, I don't think that is reallity.
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kugrad (Anonymous) says…

opinion, while I appreciate that all pro-choice people cannot be lumped into one category, there is ample reason to make the criticism that some “only care about children from conception to birth.” It has been shown that the demographics of those who have opposed abortion over the last 2-3 decades have included those who have opposed many initiatives to help children, including headstart, day-care centers at colleges and universities, and social programs that target children. While this may seem strange to some in current times, this was really the case through the 80's and 90's.

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opinion (Anonymous) says…

kugrad,

I don't have anything on this right now except my own experience in what you comment on, Kugrad, so take it for what it is worth. In reference to the programs that a demographic may or may not support, who is to say why they did or did not support. By that I mean, why you may conclude that if someone did not support the social programs that was presented, they did not care for the children, I would submit that what may have been the case is that they did not agree that the program was the best answer.

Most people in my circles feel that we don't need the govt to take care of the needy, we will do it (the book “Who really cares” supports that). Gov't programs are often ineffective in what they set out to accomplish. Let me keep more of my paycheck and then I will take care of my neighbor.

Now before you think I am completly off my rocker, I know that too many people would fall through the cracks if we didn't have any social programs. My point is that not supporting a specific social program does not mean that the money from those that did not support it did not get into the right hands.

Hope you can make sense of this as I am having a hard time putting my ideas into words.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

opinion writes:

“It's quite common on this forum, when talking about the pro-life crowd, for the line 'they only care about the baby until its born' or some other variation of that to show up. Repeating that over and over does not make it true. Anectdotally, most of the pro-life people I know quietly support life at all stages through adoption, coordinating and volunteering at soup kitchens, homeless shelters, financial support of needy organizations and so on.”
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Try turning that around… the other side of the coin.

Just a little bit.

I triple-dog dare ya! ;)

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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

sad
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

The Democrat Party, because of its advocacy for “Choice”, now ranks as the greatest known mass murderer in the history of the world, exceeding the deaths caused by Napoleon, Hitler or Stalin.

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Baille (Anonymous) says…

The “remarkable man” Phill Kline screwed up again.

“Attorney General Phill Kline declared victory prematurely in the case of three Topekans accused of engaging in the illegal practice of law.

“The miscue surfaced in a statement Kline released Friday claiming the Supreme Court “declared”… Pro Se Advocates engaged in unauthorized legal work. In addition, the statement said, the high court “ordered” …the organization to pay $6,550 in fines, legal expenses and restitution.

“The court hasn't issued any such declaration or order.

“No final decision has been rendered by the Supreme Court in the matter. ”

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/12190…

What a dope. Good luck, JoCo. You are gonna need it.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Well, there Scenebooster, Napoleion killed about twenty million, Hitler about twenty million, Stalin around forty milliion and “Choice”, as promoted by the Democrats, has now killed over forty five million.

Can you count?

I mean, I know that you don't have that many fingers and toes but you could try hash marks on the wall of your nice light blue room (Unless such marks will interfere with the padding!).

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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Well, Dear Scenebooster, just what are those 45 milliion aborted babies?

Motza balls?

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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

So?

I do not and will not support any on your list, so what's the big deal?

Hey, have you decided what all those 45 milliion aborted babies are?

Maybe I was mistaken about them being motza balls.

Maybe they're just dead babies.

Whattaya think?

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Marion.

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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin? Okay, well then how about Ford, Kia, and Yugo?

http://www.ehponline.org/members/2004…

Abortion should be legal, regulated, and *RARE*. It is unrealistic to think that you can completely eliminate abortion.

Abortions can be greatly reduced… by greatly reducing unwanted pregnancies.

How do you reduce unwanted pregnancies?

1) Abstinence (and perhaps building up self-esteem and self-worth, as well)

2) Effective birth control for both women *AND MEN*

3) OTC access to “emergency contraception,” POPs, and abortifacients

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mifepris…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortifa…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergenc…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progeste…

Taken seriously, this three-pronged approach will so greatly reduce the foot traffic to Tiller that he will not find it profitable to stay in business.

This is truly the only effective way.

BTW… Interesting, Marion, that you bring up Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin in a discussion about Phill Kline. Lots of similarities here:

1) Egomaniacal

2) Skewed view of the world

3) Power-hungry extremists

4) Ultimately, their legacy holds very little positive impact

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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Oh, Scenebooster, you poor naive thing!

I am quite serious about restricting abortion to essentially life-and-death cases only.

Your feeble attempt at spin has not gone un-noticed.

Hey, what are are those aborted things anyway?

I've asked you to respond to the question now seeral times.

What's up?

Curette got your tongue?

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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

None and do not intend to for at least anouther five years, if then.

What with my somewhat random life style, I am not really good parent material.

Your question is irrelavant,

There is no legitimacy of argument in comparing adoptions to abortions as the two are quite different nor is there any sort of requiremtn that those who are opposed to killing babies adopt a child as proof of their committment.

That's sort of like saying if one opposes murder that one must adopt the survivors of a victim and it's a REd Hering anyway.

This is about opposing the murder of babies and nothing else.

If you can't stick with the subject, try some Ritalin or Strattera maybe.

I would point out that there are many Americans going abroad to adopt while millions of Amercian babies are being slaughtered by the likes of Tiller The Killer.

Funny people, those 'Pro-Choice” folks.

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75x55 (Anonymous) says…

“- in my life”

The heart of the issue there, being about concern only for self and not for others.

Very handy little device - “Hey, I'm against [whatever de jour] - in my life”.

How fortunate to be so isolated from everyone else.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Duly noted, 75x55… duly noted. ;)

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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“Which means most people who vote for Demorats only do so to promote the “Baby Killin.”

Really, Pilgrim? So why is it that you are for sending so many young people to the shredder of war? You and rightthinker are the biggest hypocrite losers ever to walk this earth. Republicans say: “Don't kill your babies, we need them to die in our wars”
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Sceneboloster:

Your lack of education has indeed hurt you some, to borrow a line from a song.

That is “pray”, not “prey”.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with killing babies through “choice”.

Mother doesn't want a child, just kill it.

Pump the womb full of saline solution and chemically burn the baby to deat, stick a scissors into its skull, vacuum out the brain and using a curette, chop the remains into little pieces to ease removal.

“Choice” is most certainly not a single-party issue but it has been indeed the Democrat Party in the forefront of advancing the Modern Holocaust so I have chosen to single it out.

As far as recognising that I am not good parent material, that judgement indicates good sense on my part and in no way negates any thoughts which I may have on the subject of baby killing.

I have every right to make any judgement I wish just as do you and we all make judgements every day which affect our own lives and the lives of others so stop being ridiculous.

We have laws which at least to some extent regulate how folks are supposed to live so take that “no right” biz and roundfile it; it's nonsense.

You simply do not want for yourslef and others to have to take responsibility for thier actions by raising an “unwanted” child.

You're losing this one and rather badly, I might add.

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Marion.
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Tychoman (Anonymous) says…

I find it fascinating those of you who are vehemently opposed to abortion are middle-aged MEN. It's ironic. Leave the decisions about a woman's body up to the WOMAN.

Don't like abortion? Don't get one.

19 December 2006
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KUBlue (Anonymous) says…

our take on it:

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19 December 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Spam much, KUBlue? :rolleyes:

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19 December 2006
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Scenbooster:

You lack of education most certainly has hurt you this time as your final and yes, even most pitiful argument is about to go down in flames!

Senebooster wrote:

“Sure, go ahead, judge away - so Christian of you.”

Marion writes:

You must be illiterate as I have written many times on this forum and others that I am NOT a Christian, although were I, I would thank you for the compliment.

NEXT!

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19 December 2006
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Tychoman (Anonymous) says…

Boom goes the dynamite.
19 December 2006
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75x55 (Anonymous) says…

S-b, let's review the weakness of your red herring position.

By your comments, it is clear that you view abortion as a valid method of reducing the number of 'unwanted children' (ie., if you're against abortion, you must logically adopt many unwanted children, or 'shut up').

This illustrates that the real problem, as you see it, are 'unwanted children'. SO, if the problem of 'unwanted children' is so significant as to warrant the killing of unborn children in order to avoid it, then you really must believe that THAT solution clearly isn't enough, as there are still 'unwanted children'.

So, what is your suggestion for how to deal with that much more devastating problem? While staying within your 'personal liberty' ideology, of course.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Oh, Dear Scenebooster, allow me to retort!

Presuming that your question concerns just who might have the “right” to imopose one's will on another……

Anyone who can get a law passed which is held to be constitutional, that's who.

Again, Dear Scenebooster, we make judgements every day and many of those affect the lives of others, very much as when you sit in the bar eating pretzels and drinking beer, the lives of those in your immediate area may be affected by the “judgement” which you have made which may cause escessive flatulence.

But then you flatulate all over this board, so what would be new?

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Marion.
19 December 2006
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Oh, yeah and yopu'll get a kcik out of this one!

I put the following reply on the wrong thread!

What a day!

“I am amused by those like “Scenebooster” who use the term “Christian” as an epithet.

Were he/she/it to have written, “Marion, you MUSLIM!”

Or “Marion, YOu PAGAN!”

Or “Marion, you JEW!”

(Well, maybe not “Jew”,)

You folks would be shouting from the rooftops such idioitc things as “Racism!”(A total mis-application of the term!)

“Bigot!”; which might be closer.

It's quite funny when an attmept at slur falls on its a++!

Scenebooster:

Ya gotta start getting up earlier!

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Marion.”
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crazyks (Anonymous) says…

Here's one about trivializing the role of men in society…men themselves have been doing this, by basically teaching their sons that it's okay to get a girl pregnant and just walk away…after all, he's not the one who has to deal with a baby now, is he? Though laws may exist to try and make a father financially responsible for any child he might create, it's damn difficult to make them do it.

And of course, no such law exists making men morally responsible for their children, or forcing them to spend time with them, whether they want to or not.

Matter of fact, society is just chock full of stories about young men who consider themselves “lucky” if they sleep with a girl without benefit of marriage, “lucky” if the girl doesn't become pregnant, and even “luckier” still if she aborts or moves away and doesn't attempt to hold him responsible for his deed.

Seems we should be taking the clothes hangers to the young men who think it's okay to impregnate a girl and then just walk away from her, leaving her to hold the bag.

Maybe, just maybe, ALL young men who impregnate women should be forced to be a part of that child's life. Maybe, just maybe, if they didn't run away as fast as they can in the opposite direction as soon as they find out their gf is pregnant, maybe those young women wouldn't feel so alone and hopeless that they become desperate enough to consider an abortion.

Last time I checked, a woman couldn't get pregnant by herself. Yet if she becomes pregnant, society doesn't seem to have a problem with making her wholly responsible for any decisions made. The young man in question may go happily on his own way, and is often viewed as “just being a boy” or “sowing his wild oats”, and that seems to be just hunky-dory to a lot of men.

Next time you or your sons go out and “sow your wild oats”, remember that sometimes seeds sprout. Your actions have consequences.

If you don't want women to trivialize the role of men in society, then stop doing it yourselves.

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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Scenbooster:

On this point(Scenebooster wrote):

“You want a suggestion? Universal health care and factual sex education with access to birth control.”

I agree.

In the meantime stop murdering babies just to deal with irresponsibility of the biological parents.

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MyName (Anonymous) says…

LOL, dang Marion, you violated Godwin's law with your first post, you really don't want to “win” this pointless internet debate this time.

Tell us some more about the Nazis, Marion, because that really improves your intellectual standing. America is overrun by Nazis and Communists and only you, and other likeminded induhviduals, are smart enough to see it! I have seen the light!
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

I did not say that I am “unfit”; I said that I ampresently not good parent material and your spin was noted as it went by.

Should I find myself in the position of raising a child, I, unlike yourself and those who prefer to simply kill the child in question, have within me the ability to adapt to changing situations.

Such ability would permit me to gain the knowledge and the time to raise the child to a successful maturity.

I suggest that Mericans stop going overseas to adopt as such is shameful.

I further suggest that all fo those who engage in heroic medical procedures to concieve, STOP and go out and adopt a kid.

I further suggest that the impediments to adoption which frustrate many, many prosepctive parents be minimised.

I further suggest that we stop killing babies as though they are merely surplus population.

Thanks.

Marion.