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April 24, 2006

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The trail has gone cold in the investigation of a roadside beating reported late last year by a Kansas University professor.

Douglas County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Lt. Kari Wempe said Thursday that detectives had finished their paperwork related to religious studies professor Paul Mirecki's report that he was beaten by two unknown men on Dec. 5, 2005, on a roadside south of Lawrence.

The office has not identified any suspects and, unless any new leads come in, the investigation is finished.

At the time, Mirecki was under fire for comments he had posted online critical of organized religion.

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AlexFenton 7 years, 12 months ago

Eventually, they will find the two guys that did this and they will be from Topeka.

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yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

rightstinker said "why is it we try to exalt murderous Arab religious zealots but seem to think it's OK to bash Christians"

Who is exalting murderous arabs here, rightstinker? Again, you are making things up.

Actions of fundamentalist extremists of all religions, including islam and christianity, are to be "bashed".

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75x55 8 years ago

"Does this mean that we found enlightenment?"

Nope, but you might have found some ticks - those little bastages are going to be thick this year.

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Marion Lynn 8 years ago

On Sunday we cut the grass and trimmed a bunch of bushes.

As it was hot, we drank cheap beer while doing the work.

We didn't see God or anything like he/she/it but we got intoxicated and were close to nature.

Does this mean that we found enlightenment?

Thanks.

Marion.

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xenophonschild 8 years ago

A "god-intoxicated" person! When all is said and done, what we really want is to understand the nature of God. It might be too much to expect human beings to grasp the concept of God - like teaching a fish calculus - but, then again, it might prove to be not all that complex. But we have to work toward it, and not get bogged down in the traditional drivel that the old sky-god religions are.

I'm done for the night.

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Godot 8 years ago

Xeno, I don't know. What do you call yourself?

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xenophonschild 8 years ago

Godot:

What is your definition of an atheist? I don't believe in any of the old sky-god religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) but I do believe in an "It"; that God is an abstraction that controls matter through natural physical laws. Does that mean I'm an atheist?

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VoijaRisa 8 years ago

I'll be sure to apply for tax exemption as well :P

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Godot 8 years ago

So, does the belief system of atheists include the assumption that all bruises about one's face are caused by people who hate them for their beliefs?

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Godot 8 years ago

Wow. what a concept. Love and goodness are "intangible forces." That actually does resemble a "belief."

Let me know when you codify your new religion.

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VoijaRisa 8 years ago

---"Yet he is an atheist, who professes to believe in nothing."---

The stereotyping of atheists just doesn't quit....

Atheists don't believe in "nothing"; just a lack of dieties. Athesits frequently belie in many other intangible forces such as love or the goodness of humanity in general.

Try getting your info straight before you go make ignorant comments.

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Godot 8 years ago

This is one the dada days, right?

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Godot 8 years ago

"The point is, in a society where divergent points of view on issues are supposed to be tolerated, a man was assaulted for his beliefs."

Beautiful. We don't know who did it, or even if it happened, but we do know that it happened because of his "beliefs." Yet he is an atheist, who professes to believe in nothing.

I love it.

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VoijaRisa 8 years ago

---"referrint [sic] to christian as "fundies""---

Why are Christians so quick to want to feel persecuted? Fundie does not mean ALL christians. It's short for fundamentalists and implies only the extremist branch out to destroy seperation of church and state. Trying to imply that Dr. Mirecki was aiming his comments at is a pathetic attempt to drum up an emotional appeal without using any real logic.

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Marion Lynn 8 years ago

My opinion, which is completely unfounded and totally without a shred of supporting evidence is that Prof. Mirecki was beaten with a bag of biosolids.

Thanks.

Marion.

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macon47 8 years ago

ALL THE REDNECKED WIFE BEATERS PARK THIER TRUCKS AT WALMART, why doesnt the police just go thier and troll.

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xenophonschild 8 years ago

Wrongtinkle:

All the old sky-god religions need to be laid to rest. They do, and have, cost more than they're worth. And the Islamic fundamentalists are the worst; we may eventually be sucked into another world war over their stupid religion.

Note that OBL has called for a boycott of all American goods in Islamic countries; if other Islamic fruitcake/religious leaders follow his lead, they could make our balance of trade deficit even greater.

Also, never thought it was proper that Mirecki's personal emails were made public.

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rightthinker 8 years ago

by xeno:

'He was already a lightning rod of open hostility from the right-wing fruitcakes who worship their dead, crucified god, and much quieter support from secular humanists who applauded his views.'

He's the fruitcake, xeno, a guy in his position saying ".....a slap in their big fat face" referrint to christian as "fundies" what a god d*amn idiot this guy is.......why is it we try to exalt murderous Arab religious zealots but seem to think it's OK to bash Christians....I really just don't get it and really the hypocrisy is off the charts.

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yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

badger is correct. Many crimes go unsolved and lack a suspect or any leads. The fact that the police have no leads in the Mirecki beating means nothing.

xeno is also correct. Denial of the attack, or at least the firm conviction that Mirecki faked it, does put one in line with extreme elements. Basically, one is saying that one needs no real proof but that strength of feeling and the "evil" of the man and his beliefs are enough to convince them of his corruption.

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xenophonschild 8 years ago

The point is, in a society where divergent points of view on issues are supposed to be tolerated, a man was assaulted for his beliefs.

And in Lawrence, the only true bastion of free thought and liberalism in the state. We should all hang our heads. Many of us disagree with the Phelps and Pennys and O'Connors who stink up the local landscape, but we would never attack them, physically, for their beliefs.

To deny the attack is almost as bad as lining up with the Phelps, Pennys and O'Connors.

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guy_who_defends_other_posters 8 years ago

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MrFlamboyant 8 years ago

He probably owes somebody some money for some dope.

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badger 8 years ago

sigh

Yeah, lack of an arrest or charges pressed totally means a crime was fabricated.

Some years ago, someone walked into my home through an open screen door while I was home, took a fairly significant sum of money, and ran out before I could get a good look at him. When I called the cops, they gave me a case number and told me not to expect any arrests or charges. By some of the ignorant logic displayed here, it never happened and I just hid the money.

Crimes, including burglaries, assaults, rapes, and murders, go unsolved all the time. Jumping to conclusions is just silly.

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yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

howard beale flailed thusly: "Nightmare, You're an idiot. Your last post made no sense."

Probably not to you, as I wrote it at an adult level of comprehension. It was my mistake to try to use logic and reason. I should know my audience better: a mouth-breathing dullard too feeble to understand rational argument.

More howard lashing out: "Nightmare, Your ridiculous "double standard" remark told me all I need to know about you. You loser."

Glad to hear that you have me all figured out. Unfortunately, I still cannot comprehend of the vacuous idiocy that occupies your withered little mind. The depths of your idiocy and stupidity are mysteries to me.

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75x55 8 years ago

From bad to worse.

So, what did the newspaper print about the alleged injuries at the time?

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Multidisciplinary 8 years ago

The thing I'd like to point out..it how many wives are abused by their husbands, not to the point of broken bones, or needing hospital treatment, they tell people, cover the marks..but people don't believe them, the husband is such a "good man" in their eyes..no one does anything (even if they suspect)..until the woman ends up dead. Then they say, "Oh, we just don't believe he did that!" Like she hadn't been telling them. little cries for help all along. Happens all the time, even in the "West Lawrence" that you all bash on the Walmart site all the time.

Look at Matthew Shepard, wasn't he out on a country road? Gee, I guess that wasn't real either!

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howard_beale 8 years ago

Nightmare,

Your ridiculous "double standard" remark told me all I need to know about you.

You loser.

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howard_beale 8 years ago

Nightmare,

You're an idiot.

Your last post made no sense.

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xenophonschild 8 years ago

yourworstnightmare is the only posting that has made any sense. Are we to believe that Mirecki beat himself, self-inflicted bruises and contusions . . . to what end?

He was already a lightning rod of open hostility from the right-wing fruitcakes who worship their dead, crucified god, and much quieter support from secular humanists who applauded his views.

Professor Mirecki was attacked and beaten. Too bad he's an academic and did not have the presence of mind to search for license tag information, or give a more detailed physical description of his assailants.

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monkeywrench1969 8 years ago

Facts reported inthe paper suggest he was south of town going to breakfast. Why pull over in the county in a secluded area if someone is tailgating you. COmmon sense says get to town and find a cop...unless... HMMM

Early Monday, Mirecki reported to deputies that he was driving in a rural area south of Lawrence when two men in a large pickup truck began tailgating him and he pulled over. He said he got out and the two men beat him with their fists and a metal object while making references to the recent Internet controversy.

He was treated and released at Lawrence Memorial Hospital.

"I got the hell beat out of me," he told the Journal-World on Monday.

Key facts about the reported attack remained unclear Tuesday, including exactly where it happened. A report released by the Douglas County Sheriff's Office said the location was "unknown" and listed it as south of 31st Street on either East 1400 Road or East 1500 Road.

Louisiana Street turns into East 1400 Road outside the city limits. Haskell Avenue becomes East 1500 Road.

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yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

"But the police haven't been able to prove that Mirecki has made false statements......yet!"

-I guess you are too dense to see, but I will point it out. The police also haven't been able to prove that Mirecki was beaten, yet.

-Lack of evidence does not mean a thing, but I guess you are probably too stupid to realize that.

-What are the facts? There is one. Mirecki sustained a beating. Everthing else is just prejudiced speculation.

"Many people have (and do) fake their own beatings."

-Back up this statement with data comparing real and faked beating reports.

"All it would have taken to get the kind of bruises that Mirecki had was a single punch in the nose....and a few shots to the arms.....by another....and after Mirecki had a few shots of booze and or pills."

Listen to yourself ranting on about things you know nothing about. Now Mirecki is a alcoholic drug abuser? Where did this come from? I assume that the police would have taken a toxicology screen had they determined it was necessary. You are just pulling idiot ideas out of your arse.

Rant on, howard beale...

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75x55 8 years ago

Esq2eB - glad to see that you now recognize that.

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howard_beale 8 years ago

No, it's a hoax just like Bigfoot, the Lochness Monster...and Elvis being spotted at a Burger King (eating an enormous bacon quadruple cheeseburger deluxe) in Scottsdale, Arizona a few summers back.

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Esq2eB 8 years ago

It's a hoax. Just like evolution.

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howard_beale 8 years ago

worstnightmare.....don't be so naive.

Many people have (and do) fake their own beatings.

All it would have taken to get the kind of bruises that Mirecki had was a single punch in the nose....and a few shots to the arms.....by another....and after Mirecki had a few shots of booze and or pills.

Was there ever any mention of Mirecki having taken a blood test at the hospital?

Regardless, his "injuries" were not that severe....it is in fact possible that they could have been self-inflicted.

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howard_beale 8 years ago

Use my brain?!

An investigation is just that....an investigation!!

That's the police department's job....to investigate alleged crimes. If a crime is thought to have been commited...charges are sought/brought.

No proof of a crime.....the investigation either stalls..or is terminated.

However, if a person is proven to have lied to police about anything (like an accusation)...be it an alleged crime aganst them, or anyone else...or if a person supplies false information to police about a crime/possible crime commited against someone else or something else (in order to avoid getting/being involved in the matter).....then that person can (and will) be arrested for making false statements.

I say that Mirecki made a false statement to the police.

And if the police can prove it.....he'd be jailed.

But the police haven't been able to prove that Mirecki has made false statements......yet!

There's no double standard here......you moron!

And you are a moron!

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yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

And think about it. Mirecki would have had to have caused himself physical harm to fake this beating. Think about that for a minute. I am not saying it is not possible, just very unlikely.

It seems much more plausible to me that a highly-visible, outspoken pariah would be beaten by a couple of thugs.

To believe without evidence that Mirecki had himself beaten is to display a prejudiced hatred of the man and his views, which makes it seem all the more likely to me that he was in fact beaten.

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yourworstnightmare 8 years ago

Hold your horses and think about this for a moment.

If you recall, the Douglas County sheriff's department searched Mirecki's office and seized his computer and files, probably in an investigation of Mirecki filing a false police report. We haven't heard anything about this investigation, either.

I personally think Mirecki was actually beaten, but one cannot draw conclusions from lack of evidence, both in the investigation of the beating itself and in the investigation of Mirecki (possibly for filing a false police report).

howard beale said: "Mirecki is lucky that the Sheriff's Dept. can't prove (or hasn't been able to prove) that the whole thing was crock.......otherwise the good professor would be arrested himself!"

Use your brain, man. The same logic can be used for the beating investigation (they haven't been able to prove it). A double standard? Many crimes go unsolved due to lack of evidence. A lack of evidence doesn't prove anything one way or another.

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KSChick1 8 years ago

He beat himself up going around a round a bout.

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rightthinker 8 years ago

I could've told you that there were no suspects when it happened......most likely because it never happened.

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howard_beale 8 years ago

This info does not surprise me.

The whole thing was a hoax to begin with.

Mirecki is lucky that the Sheriff's Dept. can't prove (or hasn't been able to prove) that the whole thing was crock.......otherwise the good professor would be arrested himself!

And by the way, I'm not some "right-wing Christian nut-job".....in case anyone assumes that that is why I don't believe Mirecki's "story".

I just don't believe it.....period.

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75x55 8 years ago

"If a Baptist minister, or a Catholic priest, had been assaulted by two secular humanists, would the incident have been ho-hummed by the local constabulary?"

Given the known amount of evidence (basically, none) - the answer to your question is 'yes, most likely'.

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monkeywrench1969 8 years ago

Smitty/Cynthia

Is there any thread you can't throw in a conspiracy

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years ago

What we need to do is sacrifice a goat. The proof one way or another is in the entrails.

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xenophonschild 8 years ago

If a Baptist minister, or a Catholic priest, had been assaulted by two secular humanists, would the incident have been ho-hummed by the local constabulary?

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ljreader 8 years ago

I think it was a microburst which beat him about the head and face.

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smitty 8 years ago

Of course you are correct liberty. No arrest does indeed equate to fabrication of the crime. That's exactly how I see the no arrest of a hit and run in the death of Harry Oliver some 16/17 years ago. He's dead and no arrest so the hit and run was most definitely a fabricated crime.

How foolish!

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paladin 8 years ago

Everyone, at some point in his/her life, is in crisis. This one just happened to be drug out in public. Let it go.

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trinity 8 years ago

but hey i've been wondering (not losing sleep, just wondering) what if anything was going on with this "case".

now i'm convinced-it was, is, and ever shall be totally fabricated bogus BS. shame on you mirecki.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years ago

Talk about a slow news day. This story says they have nothing to say, and another on whether people like the name of a weather phenomenon.

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Sigmund 8 years ago

Im shocked, stunned really.

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