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Local daycare center suspended by state

April 12, 2006

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1801 Random Rd

A Lawrence daycare center has been suspended by the state, accused of "frightening and physically harmful" punishment of a child in its care.

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment issued an emergency order of suspension against Love-N-Home Care, resulting from a reported incident April 7. The daycare is located at 1801 Random Road.

Further details were immediately unavailable.

Comments

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 8 months ago

I think she's saying that SHE is the subject of the story.

Maybe she's too shaken to take the time to write in proper English.

90s: If this story is about your home daycare, don't spill your business here. If there is an on-going investigation,you should stay quiet and keep your cards close to your vest. Calm down. Venting here is not the best thing for you.

shortone 8 years, 8 months ago

90's: The children are better off at this point not being in your care.

Jimmy 8 years, 8 months ago

mabee yur the one who went to rehab......and toled yurself about it. hugh? .....mabee yur crazeey adicted to drugs.....?prufe.me...wronger!

Steve Jacob 8 years, 8 months ago

I am not a lawyer, but I can act like a lawyer, and as a lawyer, I'd tell you to keep quiet. Calling a child a lier in a public forum is stupid. Does not matter what we think. Get a lawyer NOW.

Eagle_aye 8 years, 8 months ago

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allateup 8 years, 8 months ago

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Jimmy 8 years, 8 months ago

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Susan Mangan 8 years, 8 months ago

Seriously...was that supposed to be English???

I'm thinking that going onto a public forum and attacking a child isn't going to go over very well when you're being investigated for "frightening" a child.

Common sense @@.

ljworldreader 8 years, 8 months ago

I like the closer: "Further details were immediately unavailable."

adky 8 years, 8 months ago

Eye nether did c now one right wiff such a strong aksent

Susan Mangan 8 years, 8 months ago

Adky - ROFL! You're making me think too hard to figure out what you're saying :-).

Tamara110 8 years, 8 months ago

LMAO! If you were trying to defend this center, I don't think you should bother. Try spell check next time.

P.S. Isn't is sad that that was probably posted by a TEACHER! :( Society today Cries

adky 8 years, 8 months ago

Voiseofreeson - now downt u get that carpit bern on yer high knee while yer ROFL. downt wont two haff to send ambbulense to take yew to horse pital.... wat yew suposeble yewd tell them dokters n nerces their?

Alison Roberts 8 years, 8 months ago

oh my gosh... wow.. im amazed at some of the grammar in some of these replies.

I just... cant... wow.

if you are going to post something in a public forum/thread at least spell things correctly. ESPECIALLY if you want to be taken seriously.

"yer, yur, lier, knowed" c'mon, youre just making yourself look less and less credible. (not that you were credible in the first place)

cms 8 years, 8 months ago

Oh my gosh. Let's remember that just because someone is not literate does not mean they can not take care of precious children. I think we forget that some people have not had the good luck, or had the advantages, of others. I share your concerns but I suspect this provider is inexpensive and the best some working mothers/parents can afford.

JenCoop1982 8 years, 8 months ago

I work in a small town daycare, kids do make up some things but if it goes as far as getting the authorities involved there is something that someone is hiding. BTW do you have to have a high school diploma to become the director of a daycare??????

anggrn99 8 years, 8 months ago

OMG............This is to FUNNY!!!!!!!!!

anonimiss 8 years, 8 months ago

i gotts me an hi skool Ed U. K. Shunn n i aint neverr knot hadd no probblims wit gitten no jobb.

METALQ2 8 years, 8 months ago

WOW I AM ABSOLUTELY AT A LOSS FOR WORDS, DEM KINDA WURDS INYHAW

moveforward 8 years, 8 months ago

This can not be for real???

Surely this first comment, the supposed defense of the business owner that people put the trust of their children in, is a hoax. Can people really spell and make gramatical errors of that quantity and nature without it being on purpose?

jcsmom 8 years, 8 months ago

My son went there and there were a couple of things when i would pick him up that I didn't fell so good about.

redmorgan 8 years, 8 months ago

Does anyone know if this was a home daycare?

cowboy 8 years, 8 months ago

Scary ! sons lik she neeed edumacation

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 8 months ago

These comments seem awfully insensitive. This is not good. She's obviously in a lot of trouble, and dealing with a lot of shame about the charges. Making fun of her poor use of the language is just kicking someone when they are down. She's got legal troubles, and is effectively out of business. Maybe we could all back off a little?

This is beneath us.

Greta 8 years, 8 months ago

Is anyone really taking any of these comments seriously?!?! If you are...then you need your head examined! Can't you envision everyone here to be some sort of a hayseed wearing wifebeater t-shirts and sucking on a piece of straw that is hanging out of their toothless grins as they hunt and peck at their keyboards. Amusing, but please get a life!

trueninetiesgirl 8 years, 8 months ago

This was a home daycare, that was opperated by 2 adults. Now, we all know that when we are angered by falsities that we become irate and often jump to things, not really worrying about the spelling. I do find it ironic that several would nitpick at the spelling when many of them aren't using correct grammar or spelling themselves.

If anyone would like to hear more on this incident, you may watch the news tonight at 10:00 PM (22:00) on NBC and ABC. Both news crews came out to conduct an interview, and we had several parents come up to stand behind us. -Zyland (this will take a few posts)

trueninetiesgirl 8 years, 8 months ago

jcsmom - The parents that we usually had issues with were the ones that, like many people, became a little late with their bills. I don't mean to accuse you of being one of those people, but if you do have any ill feeling, you probably do know our phone number and may call us at any time and speak with us on those things. The only way that we can learn what our parents do not like, is by them telling us. Keeping silent usually does not help.

auricular_eyes - That puppy that was in the home became quite ill. Also, the puppy was not friendly towards the daycare kids. Keeping the kids in mind, we wanted the puppy to have a better home. Please don't judge the fact that someone takes a puppy or any other pet to the humane society as a bad thing, for all of us have been there from time to time to look at the animals there, and we do agree that they need a good home. Would you like a dog to be around your child and constantly biting the child? No, neither do we, so as soon as we noticed that the puppy was uncomfortable around children, we wanted it to have a better home. We called everyone we knew to see if they wanted the puppy first, as well as my grandfather that lived out on the farm. Nobody wanted it, so we took it to the humane society.

As for the following quote: Children generally do not have the capacity to become calculated liars well at least not daycare age children.

Who has not heard their child tell a story, or lie to save themselves? At the age they begin to talk we see this. Sure, they start with things like monsters under the bed, but they do start telling other stories and exaggerating. They all do this so that they can get some attention from their parents or whomever is taking care of them. This child in question has had someone watching him constantly, and directly after he has hit another child, he was questioned as to why he hit the child. His answer? He claimed that another hit the other child. Once he even claimed thus when the other child wasn't even there. ;) Please don't tell us that our children don't have an imagination and can't think, for to me that is what you are saying. You are claiming that children are dumb, and if you paid a little attention, you would know that they are quite bright at what they notice and learn.

I do apologize for my mother's grammatical skills, but that is because she was quite angry at that time. You should note how well I am typing, and you can tell that an atrocious speller could never raise someone to be like me. ;) -Zyland, son of trueninetiesgirl

lilhaileyscomet 8 years, 8 months ago

Everyone needs to calm down. Till you know this daycare provider then you dont need to judge. I have had my child in that daycare for quite sometime. I know everyone is defensive because we know that nothing like that would ever happen there. The two that ran that daycare were very loveing and caring people that absolutly loved children and would never harm them. I do know from times that I was there seeing this child throw toys across the room, and hitting other children. At home he had no disipline and at daycare he did, so how does a child fix that problem? Just dont judge unless you had your kid in that daycare. I did, and had no problems with them and my daughter loved going there everyday and now crys because she cant. I would never put my child in danger and never once though she was when she was there.

Greta 8 years, 8 months ago

I believe the ridiculous comments (poor grammar and all) were intended to poke fun. Maybe not the most sensitive, but then opening your life to strangers like this is simply asking for it.

trueninetiesgirl 8 years, 8 months ago

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Bruce Bertsch 8 years, 8 months ago

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Ceallach 8 years, 8 months ago

With so little information in the article only those involved have even a clue as to what did or did not happen.

I do agree with other posters that this forum is NOT the place for an adult to attack the child involved.

kolisach 8 years, 8 months ago

Regardless of how the providers treated the children, we now have proof that both providers are willing to share confidential information about their clients. How awful. Even if the child had made up the story, it is absolutely uncalledfor to present this information in a public forum.

trueninetiesgirl 8 years, 8 months ago

Ceallach - I completely agree with you. My mother thought that she was defending herself when she posted the comment that is now removed. This comment was removed when she dialed the number ljworld herself and asked for it to be removed, for as I told her, it was something that was written out of anger and should not have reached public attention at all. It had some privacy issues in it that I disagreed with as well.

Again though, the story from the side of my parents will be on the news tonight, though I'm afraid to say that this will not be with the channel 6 news.

The channel 6 news did call, but my mother just asked for them not to give out her name for now. She was still quite angry at everything that was going on, and somewhat confused. Where would we all be standing if someone came and told us that our life's work should stop then and there? If you are doing something you love, and someone tells you that you can't, of course it will confuse and anger you.

I have been sitting and talking with my mother now, as have many of the daycare parents. Few people can compare losing something like this, so I don't think that many have any allegations to add to the injury.

I would love to say more, but I am actually holding back some comments because they would reveal what my mother is going through in real life. My only hope is that the news crew did a good job with what they can get in for the 75-120 seconds that they get.

Again, I personally thank all that understand that there isn't a lot to go on, for we are actually given very little information. All of the information that we were given was second hand... so it leaves very little to go with. :'(

Zyland, again. (Sorry for using my mother's posting name, I'm not at home, I'm at my mother's trying to help her feel better.)

trueninetiesgirl 8 years, 8 months ago

kolisach - Could you please tell me where I violated the rights of others and gave out confidential information? Also, if we are going on privacy, what about the address being given out on these forums for where our location is? While the address is a little incorrect, it still gives an aproximate location of where we are located.

If anyone has had confidential information revealed, it is our information that has been revealed.

-Zyland

lilhaileyscomet 8 years, 8 months ago

I do agree that a child should not be attacked. But I am very defensive on this subject, because I know that these are false accusations nor am I attacking him. I do also know that if you ask a child something and feed them a story they will agree with you.

lilhaileyscomet 8 years, 8 months ago

I agree, If the clients dont want people to know their personal business then they should not tell it to people. Maybe she is putting her business out there because of the false accusations she is throwing towards the daycare provider.

trinity 8 years, 8 months ago

this sounds crazy, what the heck are the allegations? i just got here...

onebrilliantlady 8 years, 8 months ago

the news coverage doesnt matter, people's opinions on this forum doesnt matter either. what matters is that there was an allegation made. the truth will come out, either way. if there was harm done to this child, it will come out and the child care provider will be punished. if there was no abuse, then that will come out too, the only thing worse than being accused of something you didnt do, is being the person that started it all. prayers are with all of you!

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 8 months ago

Was that 90s Girl on TV?

Does she live in that "rusty" house?

kjkmom 8 years, 8 months ago

I don't feel that anyone has the right to say anything against these people unless they were there. I don't believe that these accusations are true and really feel that those who don't know need to stay out of it. I feel that all of the people involved in this matter have enough to worry about w/o reading the cruel comments left here by others. Please think about how you would feel if this was you being attacked by strangers that didn't know for sure what was going on.

lilhaileyscomet 8 years, 8 months ago

Just watched the news. Thought I would make a comment. If these allegations were true, then do you really think that pushing a plate into a childs face would make it bleed? I have hit my nose pretty hard before and it did not bleed. It takes more than that to make a nose bleed. And all of the children sit down to eat together, but none of them saw this event happen. I find that hard to believe. My prayers are with the daycare providers, hope every thing works out for you. You dont deserve this. The parents who believe in you are here to support you 100%.

Alison Roberts 8 years, 8 months ago

i knew the latter comments were poking fun.. just pointing out the first..

anyway.. moving on.

kjkmom 8 years, 8 months ago

As a parent I understand the concerns, I have 3. What are we teaching our children by passing cruel words! I think people are getting a little to personal when this is a daycare issue that is being discussed not how a person spells, looks, or talks. This is an important issue about CHILDREN and how they are cared for. My niece was in this daycare when this happened and she was excited to go there everyday, but now is confused about why she isn't. My sister was left w/o daycare with no notice and is a full time student and full time employed, what is she to do? I am watching my niece when I can but when you loose a good daycare provider, what do you do? My sister loves her child very much and is very concerned about the care she receives, and has nothing bad to say about them. I hope everything works out for the best and that the truth comes out. Unfortunately if they are proven innocent that won't take back everyones accusations, cruel words, and their devastations.

lilhaileyscomet 8 years, 8 months ago

OldEnuf2BYurDad- Untill you have something real to say, then dont make comments on this. That house was red, maybe you need to get your eyes checked. That house is very nice, and accomadates children with disabilitys that they took care off. None of that has nothing to do with the issue at hand

moveforward 8 years, 8 months ago

trueninetiesgirl - nice job of explaining things and re-establishing some credibility. Good luck with your defense. I hope that justice is served, that your Mom finds peace and that we all move forward from here.

Zyland 8 years, 8 months ago

For the comment of: Does she live in that "rusty" house?

Answer: Yea, its actually designed that way. The original color of the house was silver, but it reflected a lot of sunlight which was a bit.. harmful to nearby areas. So, the KU students that built the house treated the outside to give it that unique look. Its a really nice house, actually. Not another around like it. ^^

The allegations are that one of the providers shoved a child's face into a plate, causing a nosebleed and scratches on the face. At least, that is what we all assume since SRS won't be specific with what the issues are. They keep saying "we'll get to that" but they never do. They dodge around the bush, so to speak.

Another question that I would like to shoot up into the air, if you shove someone's face into a table or plate, will that scratch their nose? No, it'll bruise it, or break it. It won't cause a scratch.

As for the nosebleed itself the nosebleed was recognized by the providers and they cleaned it up. We (since the providers are my parents) assume that the nosebleed was due to allergies. Now, I only say this because this is allergy season, and a lot of people do get nose bleeds when their noses are dry.

[quote] There are several causes for the nosebleed including trauma (such as hitting the nose), fracture (broken nose), pressure (such as may be caused by altitude), anticoagulant (anti-clotting) medication, excessively dry air, excessive nose-picking, allergic rhinitis and high blood pressure among the elderly. Some rare diseases that may cause nosebleeds are Wegener's granulomatosis and hereditary hemorrhagic telangiectasia (HHT, Rendu-Osler-Weber disease); sarcoidosis, when it involves the nose, has been reported to cause nosebleeds. von Willebrand disease may cause nosebleeds. [/quote] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosebleed

I just hope that my mother gets through this ok, for this was her life that was suddenly taken away from her. =/

Nikki May 8 years, 8 months ago

It takes alot to get closed for abuse. They do investigations and everything. They usually question all the parents and all the children. I'm not saying that SRS is perfect or they can't make mistakes, but they do investigate.

Zyland 8 years, 8 months ago

punkrockmom - The main thing though, is that it was suspended while they investigate. SRS won't even tell my mother what the exact allegation is, the information we have is from the child's mother, and we can't confirm nor deny what she is saying. SRS has also tried stating information that is incorrect on the case as well. My mother and step father recorded their conversations with SRS on tape, and SRS was caught trying to say things.

For instance, they claimed that my step-father refused to leave the premises. The question that lead to that? They asked if he had anywhere to go. They didn't ask if it was for daycare hours, or why he would need to go anywhere. My step-father could have easily gotten a part-time job while they were doing investigations so that it wouldn't interfere with the daycare. Instead, a SRS worker told my mother that the daycare was closed while they were doing the investigation.

I do understand, in a way, why they would close it. They are worried that if something is being investigated, they don't want to see harm come to another child. However, I do not understand the methods that they are going by. They are creating falsities and are misleading others. They also won't tell my mother and step-father WHAT they are being investigated on. To me, this seems like they are accusing him of being guilty before proving it than going the other way around.

The fact that the daycare has several parents that disagree with the claim only furthers this. We, for the most part, are confused as to why this child would make the claim, as well as to why everything needs to be closed all at once. Parents are now having to take time off from work until they find another provider, the children in the daycare are crying and are upset because they can't return. I disagree that things should be run this way, its too much all at once for everyone.

Now, I personally don't know if they are removing the license altogether, or if it is just suspended during the investigation and during that time alone.

Another remark that I'll make before heading to bed. My mother and step father have taken care of children for quite some time now. My mother really does live children, and my step father is not the kind of person to hurt anyone. Why is it that when they, the daycare providers, give information to SRS about the children saying that SRS should look into matters, are completely ignored, yet when 1 child that is a storyteller, like all children, is listened to and an entire business is put on hold?

Zyland 8 years, 8 months ago

My mother and step father also were told by SRS that they had to pay SRS back the fees that parents had already paid for the daycare so far this month. My parents are barely able to manage their bills now, for they never saw this happening. The reason why they were thinking of selling off their daycare items, as another poster had mentioned, was because they needed to find a way to pay bills for next month as well. So, I don't see why that user thought it was a bad thing that they were planning on putting it up in a yard sale.

For another comment punkrockmom, it doesn't take a whole lot to counter things. It takes over 50 teachers and parents to read a book for it to be put into a school's library. It takes another 50+ for them to be able to teach from the book in class. It takes 1 parent to complain about the book to get it removed from both locations and be considered a "banned" book. Many things that are on a political scale are the same way.

The main thing that will also hurt this business, even when this is proven false, is that the allegation was still there. People will drive by now, and since they know the address from ljworld, will stop and stare, thinking thoughts like "There are those terrible people." It won't matter to a lot of people if its proven false or not, the fact is that it was still there.

Zyland 8 years, 8 months ago

neh, I forgot something so this is another post. >.>

Its ironic that you sould say that they question the other children and parents. The thing is, they didn't. They have the numbers of the parents, and the parents are surprised. The parents have been called before when there were tiny incidents like when my parents were over their numbers (by 2 children, due to a parent being late), yet they haven't heard anything from SRS yet on this, even after SRS suspended the license.

One of the children that was in the daycare was crying the other day, because she was telling her mom how it isn't fair, because she knows that my step-father would never do anything to hurt the kids. She was also upset because she wouldn't be allowed to come back every day like she had been.

When the news crews came, the parents did as well, They are ready to testify, if needed, but SRS hasn't contacted them on the incident. Thats another reason why I don't really agree with SRS on this one.

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