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Injured teen’s grandfather threatens to block road

April 6, 2006

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Coye Baker is fed up with the bump in the road.

Baker, the grandfather of a special-needs teenager who was struck this weekend by a trailer that hopped the curb near a notorious road bump on North Second Street, said he's willing to take drastic measures to get the city's attention. He plans a protest at the scene of the wreck on Saturday morning.

"If I have to, I'm gonna take my car in the middle of the street and tie a rope across so no one can get through," said Baker, 81. "I hope it'll get somebody's attention before somebody else gets hurt or killed."

Baker said his grandson, 15-year-old Billy Baker, was recuperating Wednesday at Children's Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Mo., and was preparing to undergo a skin graft. Billy, who is autistic and legally blind, was walking along the east side of the road with his father shortly before noon Saturday when a trailer attached to a Toyota sport utility vehicle came onto the sidewalk and struck him.

The trailer would have just passed a bump in the road a few feet to the south that residents say is unsafe and has been neglected for too long. But so far there is no official word from police on what caused the wreck, nor whether the driver of the truck, Lawrence resident John Olmstead, would be cited.

Coye Baker explains how he was restrained by Lawrence Police when he ran up to the scene where his grandson, Billy Baker, was struck by a trailer near the intersection of North Second and Locust streets. Baker, who has raised the 15-year-old, pleaded Wednesday for the city to fix the large bump in the road, which may have caused the accident.

Coye Baker explains how he was restrained by Lawrence Police when he ran up to the scene where his grandson, Billy Baker, was struck by a trailer near the intersection of North Second and Locust streets. Baker, who has raised the 15-year-old, pleaded Wednesday for the city to fix the large bump in the road, which may have caused the accident.

"It throwed him about 15 foot," said Doug Baker, Billy's father, who was walking with him at the time. "His little legs got caught up underneath the trailer ... It's the worst thing you'd want to see happen to one of your children."

Billy's right leg was seriously injured, and Doug Baker said doctors were still working Wednesday to save it.

At the time of the wreck, the two were walking toward downtown, where they planned to take a round-trip ride on a Lawrence Transit System bus.

Coye Baker, who has raised his grandson since the boy was 1, said he not only wants the city to fix the bump promptly, he wants the city to extend a nearby guardrail that runs along North Second Street so that it would reach the intersection with Locust Street.

Billy was struck while walking in an area where there was no guardrail.

Coye Baker wants work on the road bump to begin immediately.

"It needs to be started on today, not tomorrow," he said. "It should have been started on 10 years ago."

As it now stands, the bump is not scheduled to be fixed until October 2007. The city and the Kansas Department of Transportation plan a $2 million renovation of the intersection, with the state paying 80 percent.

It may be difficult to move it up on the schedule, said Chuck Soules, the city's director of public works.

"I've had discussions with KDOT, but right now we don't even have a preliminary design yet," Soules said. "Can we do better than the October deadline? Possibly. But the state also has the issue of where they scheduled it in their funding mechanism."

In the meantime, he said, the city is looking at possible temporary fixes, such as signs, speed changes or changes to the pavement.

Soules said that a revamped intersection probably would have a sidewalk that sits farther from the edge of the curb - something that might resolve pedestrian-safety concerns in lieu of a guardrail.

Intersection of North Second and Locust

Coye Baker also said Wednesday that he was upset that police officers at the scene restrained him when he tried to get close to his injured grandson. He showed bruises that he said were the result of three officers grabbing and maneuvering his arms.

"He has brought that to our attention," said Sgt. Dan Ward, a Lawrence Police spokesman. "It's very emotional and confusing at the time when you have something like this happen ... We encourage feedback from citizens, and we're looking into it to see if things were done the way they should have been."

As for the grandfather's plan to protest in the roadway, Ward said police support protests as long as they're done lawfully. To block a city right-of-way, you must have a permit beforehand, he said.

"We don't want anybody to be injured - the protesters or anyone else," he said. "We don't want more tragedy."



Billy's fund

The family of Billy Baker has set up a donation fund in his name at both Lawrence First State Bank locations. Billy suffered severe injuries when a trailer struck him this weekend. Steve Stemmerman, Billy's teacher at Central Junior High School, helped to set up the fund and said that he had already received some donations from fellow teachers. People who want to donate can drop off any donations at the bank, or can send mail to P.O. Box 701 in Lawrence, Stemmerman said.

Comments

offtotheright 8 years ago

Yes but the City was there, Friday evening posting 'no parking signs'.

They were geared up for the protest....too bad it didn't happen.

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cantWEallJUSTgetALONG 8 years ago

just like I thought. No one shows up for the protest.

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jayhawk72 8 years ago

I have an idea!!! Take some of the money AWAY from the account that funds those idiotic "roundabouts" and fix the damn road!!

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

OMG there are neighborhoods in West Lawrence that do not have sidewalks. My street doesn't. North Lawrence is no less safe then any part of town. In fact probly the most dangerous area is around Redbud lane which is South West. If you want to hit a dip go to Wakarusa St. you will find a huge one that will swallow your car. This whole thing is a show brought from some deep seeded resentment not related to potholes or dips. As I said before if Grandpa cared so much he would be at the hospital.

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housewivesofamerica 8 years ago

It is time all of Lawrence backed this grandfather and be at his protest on Saturday morning. Who knows who will be hurt or killed next. It is only a matter of time before it is your turn to be affected personally by this bump, dip. We must send a strong message to the city commissioners. If anyone is charged for this accident it should be the commissioners for neglect of duty. It is past time to put public safety first. I have been trying to get streets in North Lawrence Widened. I have been trying to get more sidewalks in North Lawrence. Instead the city widened the alley behind my home by about 3 feet. The street in front of my home is waiting to be widened with sidewalks added. We have parking on the streets in North Lawrence. It is not safe to do so because the streets are too narrow. When does the city of Lawrence plan to address these issues? I have been told by a Lawrence Police Officer that it will never be addressed because it is NORTH Lawrence. He told me how we don't count and they don't care.

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Marion Lynn 8 years ago

Some of you are wrong about requiring a permit for a "parade".

None is required in Lawrence but the LPD prefers that is be notified in adavance.

The guy can quite legally hold a "parade" without permission from anyone.

On the subject of towing, some of you may remember my ancient Mercedes-Benz ten-tonner that I used for many years to pull my car hauler with one old rat of an antique car or the next around Lawrence.

The truck had a top speed of only about 55 mph (The book claimed 60 but I never saw it!).

The truck was in top notch mechanical condition as was my trailer; equipped with lights, brakes, breakaway brakes; the whole thing.

It was a VERY dangerous rig; so dangerous that it was actually VERY safe.

It was VERY slow, accelerated with the rapidity of melting lard, hard to see out of as it was designed around the average European driver who is some 9 inches shorter than myself.

I equipped the truck with EIGHT tail lights, sidemarkers, driving lights, very large backup lights, a backup alarm, six outside mirrors and a rear view 9" TV so that I could see directly behind the box body.

The speed (or lack of it!) forced the driver to bee very attentive lest he be run over by faster traffic but the imposing size of the rig positively DEMANDED the attention of others drivers who gave it special notice.

I only got into trouble once when a NEW 2 5/6" ball BROKE OFF AT THE BASE for no apparent reason (i suspect it broke just because it could!), the trailer went wild, and snapped BOTH safety chains and tried pass me up at 40 mph with a 1940 Buick on board.

The breakaway brakes shouted out, "Yeah, right!" and promptly burned out!

I tired to catch up, with no luck so I bumped the trailer with the front bumper of the truck sending it into the ditch where it came to a safe stop.

Scared me poopless(Behold the power of poop!).

Stuff can happen and when a bad road combines witha car/trailer combo. all sorts of stuff can go awry.

There may well be no single cause.

Thanks.

Marion.

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easy_mark 8 years ago

Graduated LHS late 70's, don't remember having any issues with kids from N. Lawrence.In fact, there were a few of the nicest and smartest families came from over there (those kids messed up they were in BIG trouble, those families had reputations to uphold..and I'm talking minority families too!) Sure, there were a few kids, families that had reputations, but those few just those particular kids, those families. They did it to themselves. Not as a whole.

So don't think we all had prejudices, and don't label us all, okay!

Not sure where he's coming from, except his own, older point of view.

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Pilgrim 8 years ago

Posted by wtchdr46 (anonymous) on April 6, 2006 at 7:49 p.m.

North Lawrence is more than tired of being treated like the bastard stepchild. You south lawrence royalty allow your kids to torment North Lawrence kids starting in grade school. What do you expect when children grow up being called theiving river rats. It is the same now as it was when I went to the ninth grade at Central junior High school in 1960. Don't you folks realize when someone hears that they are bad over a period of years, they turn bad? Let's use this incident to address and clean up several problems at the same time. Attention South Lawrence, Show up to help support this action and you might save yourself from being killed in your bed by some North Lawrence teenager who is convinced that he is bad by such stupidity that he decides to retaliate. No threat, Just experience speaking.


Set that class envy meter to "Full Tilt Boogie" and da*n the torpedoes!

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cantWEallJUSTgetALONG 8 years ago

actually the Baker's probably cannot sue and win against the city for any liability because of standard civil laws but they absolutey CAN file suit against John Olmstead and his insurance company. I would. The police has NOTHING to do with an issue like this. They DO NOT determine guilt or liability or responsibility. The wish they did............

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cantWEallJUSTgetALONG 8 years ago

I agree. But how many people will really show up? Most people who b*tch and complain on these blogs are just full of crap and have no SPINE. The Gutless Wonders. That's what I call 'em. I'll be there on Saturday...

Tow chains? He claims they came off or unhooked because of the bump? BULLSHT! If they were on correctly the only way they would not hold the trailer is if they SNAPPED> BULLSHT

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

Poor North Lawrence, get over yourselves.

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wtchdr46 8 years ago

Some of you people that are giving word support need to come out at 7:30 Saturday morning. As it now stands, I think we are going to get a large enough crowd to close the bridge. I have seen four accidents in that location in the last three years. When you have a situation that poses unsafe road conditions, It is a citizens duty to prevent more persons being injured. In the case where the authorities have been notified, and the best they can do is 2007, something needs to be done to wake them up. If it had been one of the commissioners children, the repair work would have began as soon as the wreckage was removed. Is this a strong sign that we have executive privilige in Lawrence? As to the guy that plans to drop a piano on Coye Baker, do you plan to drop that piano on 2,000 to 3,000 people. As to the other guy who said that he would knock him out of the way, Maybe he will have the good sense to stay in his car when he sees how much support there is. If he intends to get to work on time on Saturday, he would be well advised to go through Eudora and Hwy 10. We plan to be there. North Lawrence is more than tired of being treated like the bastard stepchild. You south lawrence royalty allow your kids to torment North Lawrence kids starting in grade school. What do you expect when children grow up being called theiving river rats. It is the same now as it was when I went to the ninth grade at Central junior High school in 1960. Don't you folks realize when someone hears that they are bad over a period of years, they turn bad? Let's use this incident to address and clean up several problems at the same time. Attention South Lawrence, Show up to help support this action and you might save yourself from being killed in your bed by some North Lawrence teenager who is convinced that he is bad by such stupidity that he decides to retaliate. No threat, Just experience speaking.

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quitbitchin 8 years ago

just curious, why do you say he didn't have tow chains when others have said he did?

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cantWEallJUSTgetALONG 8 years ago

JOHN OLMSTEAD, THE LOCAL HOT SHOT REALTOR, KNEW THIS BUMP WAS THEIR JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES. AND NO HE DIDN'T HAVE TOW CHAINS. THE OFFENSE IS CALLED DRIVING TOO FAST FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS.

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usaschools 8 years ago

Having lived in North Lawrence for years, I believe that the bump isn't the issue. Anyone driving the speed limit will scarcely notice it is there. You'd have to be exceeding the speed limit for it to be a problem in my opinion. Perhaps the limit should be lowered. Drivers heading out to the county often cross the bridge pretty quickly.

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quitbitchin 8 years ago

multi- how 'bout you relax. there have been zero comments on here threatening grandpa or anyone else. there may have been general comments but nothing serious and nobody is gonna get booted or arrested or anything else. chill out and quit being so damn dramatic.

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Pilgrim 8 years ago

Posted by compmd (anonymous) on April 6, 2006 at 5:10 p.m.

adky & wonderhorse: maybe you forgot about the fact that gramps can get a permit to block the road.


Yes, but he has to apply for the permit, and it should be summarily rejected. So if he then blocks the road without the permit, any harm that befalls him is his responsibility.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

If the old guy gave a crap he would be at the hospital day and night. Who cares about the D.A ior the cops?

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Multidisciplinary 8 years ago

Warning to all. The site does not allow threats, so expect you may get pulled by someone.

Those who might show up Saturday to make threats against anyone on any side of this issue:

Even the slightest thing, even a half, hearted sentence,can be construed as a "Criminal Threat"... even if you are really just joking, and the DA can issue what ever they feel like against, you. A 6 mth probation period, arrest, etc.

I'm not kidding.

It takes two to do the dance. If he shows up to dance, let him dance alone. Support him in other ways, but if he chooses to cause something to get himself in trouble, as it seems he may be not acting in the best manner to get results, need others also suffer the same fate?

I agree this issue needs to be addressed, but perhaps a mexican standoff in the intersection or on the sidelines isn't the way. Consider a public meeting? Perhaps something in the parking lot at the train station?

All we need is someone to get distracted by picketers and another tragedy occur. Now THAT would get national attention. Not to the bump, but to human bad choices.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

Frankly seems to me Grandpa is an attention seeker, isn't it enough people are raising money for the kid? For some folks it is all about what they can milk the community for.

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compmd 8 years ago

adky & wonderhorse: maybe you forgot about the fact that gramps can get a permit to block the road. Go ahead and hit him, I'll sit in the back of the courtroom during your bond hearing for your felony assault charge laughing at you.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

The dip is hno big deal, I would rather seee the sewer systems repaired. I have drivren over that dip countless times without issue. The dip is just another cause for people who have to find something to complain about.. Back when the sink hole was there cars continued to drive over it and no one fell it.

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Richard Heckler 8 years ago

If the trailer was not hitched appropriately that is the drivers responsibility ...no doubt the driver feels like his world is ending.

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Richard Heckler 8 years ago

In support of Coye Baker and his grandson:

Let's all write to our city commissioners and suggest that the City of Lawrence fix the bump to meet KDOT specs. Whether or not KDOT will reimburse the city is not important although the city should seek restitution for doing KDOT's job. At the same time mention the YSI soccer field intersection. Do 2nd street first.

mikeamyx515@hotmail.com">p>mikeamyx515@hotmail.com dschauner@sunflower.com Mike Rundle mike@mikerundle.org Sue Hack suehack@sunflower.com Boog Highberger boog@lawrence.ixks.com

P.S. The YSI intersection was not on KDOT's radar until two weeks ago when Comm. Schauner inquired. A poorly KDOT designed intersection fell off the KDOT radar.

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MARNSPAPPY 8 years ago

While in NL the other day, my wife and I happened to pass by this intersection just after the accident happened. We watched as the grandfather was being "restrained" by LPD. I know that he was very emotional, but he needed to be restrained. He was yelling at everyone on the scene & he looked like he was getting in the way of his grandson getting help. The firefighters that I saw were helping his grandson but he was pushing them and getting in their way he was being more of a henderence than helpful. I know that if this were a relative of mine, I would be upset but I would hope that I would let the people that are there to help "help." If grandpa does protest that it fine, but how is he helping his grandson from jail, if he blocks the roadway?

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adky 8 years ago

I wasn't wishing harm. Just warning him not to stand in the street.

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quitbitchin 8 years ago

wow, defender on a roll.

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YourItalianPrincess 8 years ago

Wishing any harm to a person is bad Karma. Shame on you.

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Defender 8 years ago

congrats adky, your karma just went down again! Wishing physical harm to someone, what a repulsive jerk

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adky 8 years ago

Perhaps some driver won't see him and "accidently" hit him. Of course it won't be the driver's fault, just an accident.

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Defender 8 years ago

Why should be allowed to physically attack someone? I hardly see the parallel. And by the way, attacking an old man really makes you seem manly, real manly.

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wonderhorse 8 years ago

Defender

Sorry, why should somebody be allowed to keep me from driving down a public street, jerk?

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Defender 8 years ago

macon47, are you just boneheaded? Do you think the person in the towing vehicle was playing Evel Knievel? Sorry, but everything you have said on this subject is just a bunch of crap.

wonderhorse, you could be arrested for your threat of physical violence against the old man, hooray for you, jerk

adky, do you really think arresting the old guy would do anyone any good? You're no better then wonderhorse, jerk

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adky 8 years ago

Blameless accidents very rarely occur. No one believes in personal responsibility any more and they use the word accident to hide their behavior. Perhaps this was a true blameless accident, but I can't imagine how that could be.

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Fatty_McButterpants 8 years ago

adky: I guess accidents never happen in your world. People can take all the precautions in the world but sometimes things happen anyway. Furthermore, why don't we BOTH wait until the official police report comes out before jumping to conclusions.

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Multidisciplinary 8 years ago

OH NO....Lawrence is too ignorant for that. They don't know that facts, and that would be TOO dangerous for him. He may be exonerated, but don't go there until the public KNOWS he guiltless.

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

What good would that do? There is a procees to roadways which are jointly owned. because that roadway is North second street as well as U.S 59 it must be approved by both KDOT and the city together. It just slays me how you folks do not get this. Everyone wants the benefit of 59 highway going through Lawrence; it produces revenue, but then you want to play this little hippee protest game to get the road fixed. Oh heck you may impress ole Dennis Highburger, but it won't do squat for the KDOT to stand out there and block the road. If yiou recall the KDOT exumbed a cholds grave a few years back in the dark of night to get a highway through.

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YourItalianPrincess 8 years ago

Maybe the driver of the car should be there with the grandfather. I understand he feels horrible for what happened and its truely not his fault. He should take a stand along with the grandfather.

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amanda_lazer 8 years ago

Well, as to everyone's burning question as to why it hasn't been fixed yet... Take a look around! Do you see much being repaired in North Lawrence as a whole? I give props to Neighborhood Resources for helping out with the newer homes in that area. I'm not saying that North Lawrence is a bad place or anything, I was going to get married at the train station. Besides, that, why would anyone not protest the damn round abouts. It is a waste of the tax payers money and everyones mental health as a whole. I know that Lawrence is a "green" community and whatnot, but, build a park or something. Fix what needs fixed and leave everything else the hell alone!!!!

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janniebullinlawrence 8 years ago

Gee Grandpa why not sling a little dope while your down there, because illegally blocking the road is just as criminal. If yiour so bent about a dip that millions hve driven over safly perhaps you should KDOT meeting and follow the appropriate procedure. Taking the law into your own hands regardless how stupid the laws are makes you part of the problem not the solution. If I happen to drive down there Sunday and you are blocking the road you best hope my car does and evil kneivel stunt, because I won't stop.

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SpeedRacer 8 years ago

RationalAnimal, From a LJW story in 1992: "Charles Soules replaced Williams. He had been the public works director and city engineer for Emporia since 1994. Soules has more than 14 years of experience in municipal public works as well as experience writing and administering state and federal grants. He has been involved with some notable Emporia projects, including the 1997 brick street renovation and historic preservation of Berkley Street, and water treatment plant improvements that received the 2000 Public Improvement Award from the American Public Works Assn."

Anyone who had ever driven the streets of Emporia might have questioned his qualifications. Brick work in a historical area doesn't imply a successful management of the rest of the infrastructure. As I recall at the time, restoring the brick streets in Old West Lawrence seemed to be a Commission priority. Where are all the grants he is noted for being able to write? I do not not know much of him other that a couple of times that I have seen him in the Commission meetings, and I have very little to go on to question his credentials, but it is the reults that have to be judged. I thought street maintenance was pretty good prior to his tenure. Is the City better off for having hired him? I think this is a question the Commission needs to address. Of those who were part of the selection process, Wildgen is gone but Rundle is still around. What about it. Mike?

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consumer1 8 years ago

Those of us who have lived in Lawrence, (RiverCity), (Harvrd on the Kaw) for many years have always known the city treats North Lawrence like a bastard step child. Only now with the housing crunch is our brother to the north recieving any attention. Lawrence "proper" has never done any measureable improvement in N Larrytown, excepting the nice road leading from the turnpike to downtown Lawrence, and then excepting the intersection in front of Johnnie's/Johnny's. I would say it is not just the intersection but rather the underpass as well. Any one who has lived here knows that area floods every couple of years. And people will try to drive through water nine feet deep and then say I didn't know how deep it was. Hmmm, so where they come from bridge clearance(s) are only at 7 feet high?

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adky 8 years ago

Yes, why is that Macon?

Btw, wth is Rennaisance poesy?

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Silence_Dogood 8 years ago

macon, Whye do your posts always looke lyke Rennaisance poesy?

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adky 8 years ago

Hopefully he will be arrested!

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fleeba 8 years ago

I can say that the driver (a friend of mine) is crushed by what happened. He doen't normally drive with a trailer on the back, was just hauling a car in for repair. He did have tow lines on them and yes the "bump" was bad enough to knock everything loose, and as soon as it was realized, it was too late. I do feel for the little boy and totally agree that the city MUST DO SOMETHING NOW before someone actually dies. peace...

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BrianR 8 years ago

I agree with Wonderhorse, if I can't get to work on Sat morning because grandpa is blocking the intersection, I have a problem with that. Steal his gold card? I was thinking more along the lines of dropping a piano on him.

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wonderhorse 8 years ago

No, just drive though the stupid bump, like I have done for 30+ years now.

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METALQ2 8 years ago

Maybe time for a round-a-bout

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NorthLawrenceDude 8 years ago

I heard Johnnie's is going to offer reduced price lunch and beer to any protesters that come Saturday. Wooo hooo!!

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quitbitchin 8 years ago

what are are you gonna do wonderhorse, take grandpa baker's gold card and whip his *ss?

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wonderhorse 8 years ago

Fix the stupid bump. On the other hand, I will object physically with anyone who tries to block a public road.

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YourItalianPrincess 8 years ago

Well if you need to go to North Lawrence you can always take a right and go left at the tracks.

Oh wait, I forgot about those tracks. The one set of tracks that lead to no where should be paved over also. The spikes are coming up and who needs a flat tire. The other tracks aren't any better either.

Well people theres your choice to get to North Lawrence. A bump, lump, dip, hill, what ever you want to call it or tracks that are horrible.

I agree with the other poster who said that the road leads to Lawrence, so get it fixed already. If you have said this 3 times then get it done.

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my_manly_essence 8 years ago

I just hope that this guy doesn't get hit by a car while he's doing whatever it is that he's planning on doing!!

And also......"gays at Riverfront Park", Macon??

I'm sorry, I must have missed something here today or whenever.

What do gays at Riverfront Park have to do with this?

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juscin3 8 years ago

I totally agree with the grandfather. That needed to be fixed a LONG time ago. That road has been like that if not any better since I lived in N. Lawrence when I was a kid. I even remember when the bus driver would go fast over it just so we would jump out of our seats...knowing he was jokin at the time he should have been more careful. And I knew that he wasn't doing it to get anyone hurt. We knew what he was doing so we were prepared. I am now almost 37 and the road is still bad. My hubby can't even stand driving on 2nd st knowing that the road is like that. I am not sure but a few years ago there was a young man that was killed in that area as well. Not sure if the road was the cause of it or not. But still, something needs to be done about it. It's terribly sad that it has to come to something like this especially a child getting hurt for something to be done about it. If they knew that they were planning on doing this in 07', then where the heck is the design at? Why are there "excuses" to why they can't get this fixed sooner? If this road was a problem for sooooo many years, why is it taken this long to correct it?? They can afford to put the stupid round-a-bouts in, but they can't fix this problem that has been goin on since the 80's!!! I'm on a roll here, better quit while I'm ahead. Best of luck on getting that road fixed!

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jrlii 8 years ago

As a temporary fix, a couple of truckloads of asphalt could make a big difference at N3rd & Locust.

However, what about 23rd & Barker? The city reworked the intersection to CREATE a dip which was scarred by many an oil drain plug before it was a month old! Was this a so-called "Traffic calming device?" Call 'em what they really are: Traffic hazards.

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adky 8 years ago

What about the guy whose trailer came off his vehicle? It was defective equipment. A trailer shouldn't fall off because of a bump in the road.

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Isaythis 8 years ago

Mr.Coye Baker Im with you all the way I going to drive by there Saturday morning if you are there I will join you and I think all of use who use the street and those who have kids should join Mr Baker!!!!!! LETS DO IT!!

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Rationalanimal 8 years ago

This bump (or "dip" as the enlightened Charles Soules calls it) is the proveberial tip of the iceberg. The entire Lawrence street system is one continuous bump. Charles Soules' response to this particular problem ("some people it a bump, some people call it a dip") is indicative of more than just the depth of his own incomptetence to a spectacular degree, it illustrates a pervasive self-induced ignorance to the crumbling state of our road system. Charles Soules' statement indicates he is totally oblivous to the problem in Lawrence. So why should any of us expect anything be done to fix problems he nor the City commission sees?

I have two cars and can't keep either one of them aligned. My driving is personified by constant attempts to dodge potholes, chains of potholes, convex protusions, and series of convex protrusions (for the layman like Charles Soules a convex protusion is a "bump"). There are very few roads in Lawrence capable of allowing a car to drive the actual speed limit. My experience is most roads require a 10 - 20 MPH reduction in speed. If Charles Soules and the City Commission persist in ignoring the street issue, whether willfully ignorant or just plain stupid ignorant, can we at least have a City owned auto repair shop? At least then we can recapture the money spent by Lawrence residents on auto repairs. We could use the revenue generated to support some of the other "high" priority agenda issues like an additional pot ordinance, or even better yet, a $30 million dollar downtown library, or maybe we could just give Lawerence residents a tax break (heaven forbid!). We would have the first legitimate city sponsored brick-and-tire operation. How's that for the City (Lawrence) hosting the nations #1 academic public administration program?

Charles Soules, nor the City Commission, even recognize there is a problem. Good luck getting them to fix a problem they don't see.

FIRE CHARLES SOULES NOW!!!

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offtotheright 8 years ago

For those of you who are saying it's only a matter of 'slowing down', or 'it isn't that bad', SIMPLY NOT TRUE!

The East side lane is where the DROP OFF is. It isn't just a little bump, or hump.

This thing can do massive damage to a vehicle, and that doesn't mean driving at a fast speed.

IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED NOW. Can't we give up those $90,000 flowers? Or that 30 million dollar library to have this fixed?

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NorthLawrenceDude 8 years ago

Last summer I picked my 78 yr old mother up from the nursing home for a "day out" at my house. After an exhaustive morning of her rambling things that did not make sense, we drove through that intersection. As she stared blankley out of the windshield, she mumbled "that damn bump is still here"

It has been there forever! Come on city, no more "trees and shrubs", lets get the bump fixed!

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Marion Lynn 8 years ago

The dip has been there in one form or another since at least 1967 when I started driving up to the Hill.

We used to take it at 40 in a buddy's '47 Buick Roadmaster to show folks how well the car rode.

We also took the A-frames off of a '64 Galaxie 500 XL 390 four-speed car on the thing.

The dip showed us!

It is often worsened by groundwater underneath which pushes it up or sinks the Norht end.

It is poorly marked and the speed limit through there is too high.

The dip is on the edge of the hole underneath the bridge and the area has been and always will be a problem I suspect.

Just a bad place for a road but there is little that can be done about it now other than to slow down traffic and mark it properly.

Thanks.

Marion.

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lawrencian 8 years ago

As an almost lifelong (age 31) resident of N. Lawrence, I have to admit that I can't really remember there ever NOT being a dip in the road at this intersection, and I've always wondered why it was there... Even if there is a good long-term fix in the works with the intersection being redone, whenever that happens, surely there is something that the city can do to at least fill in the dip in the road in the meantime!

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blue73harley 8 years ago

It is not a bump. It is a "traffic calming device". That is the only thing this city implements in a timely fashion.

I do hope that Coye Baker is successful at getting actual improvements made at this section of road.

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macon47 8 years ago

SO i guess if i knew their was a bad bump ahead i would slow down for it. maybe i am wrong, but we have a couple of bad spots in our neigborhood, and i dont try to see how fast i can hit them when they fix it will you just drive alot faster?

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spipp33 8 years ago

Poor kid has enough against him, now this. Life is cruel. Props to his grandpa.

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lorraine 8 years ago

we've lived on the north shore for 4 years, and i drive over that damn bump 2 or three times a day. it's caused two flat tires, and can be counted on,every time, to wake up sleeping babies. at the nlia meetings, we've been told by the city that it wouild be fixed in 2005, 2006, and now 2007... if there is a demonstration on saturday, my family will be there. horrible, unnessesary accidents aside, this street is one of the main entrances to the city - have some pride and fix the damn thing.

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macon47 8 years ago

sorry but by the time the city, the consultants, engineers, a ku study, a straw poll of the homeless and gays at riverside park,as well as the concrete and paving companies get done it isnt that simple i think your lookin at a gazillion bucks or so

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YourItalianPrincess 8 years ago

Seriously.......... how much could it possibly cost to flatten the road and put layers of new concrete down?

Anyone have any ideas of how much it costs to pave a small portion of a road like this?

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NorthLawrenceDude 8 years ago

Word on the street is that the tow chain broke. Evidently the "dip" caused the ball-hitch to come loose, then the "hump" caused the trailer to ram foward breaking the chain. It was a large heavy trailer, it CAN happen. I doubt there will be citations, I think the city is just trying to figure out how to cover their @ss!

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craigers 8 years ago

I know my dad's trailer has chains that he uses whenever he attaches his trailer to prevent problems even if it comes un-hitched. I'm thinking along the lines of failure to secure load for the drivers citation. I hope Mr. Baker does protest but I wish he wouldn't block the road because that will only add to the Baker's expenses. I doubt the Billy fund has enough to bail out grandpa.

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quitbitchin 8 years ago

"I'm so glad we don't live in Lawrence anymore."

yeah right. is that why you're reading the news and posting on this website.

did this trailer have tow chains? isn't this what those things are there to prevent?

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NorthLawrenceDude 8 years ago

Defender, you are correct. The dip, then hump...can cause a trailer to come unhitched. I have a hunch this is exactly what happened. The driver is very well known and liked person in Lawrence. I am sure he knew the hump-bump was there, but had no control over a trailer coming unhitched. (In other words, he wasn't speeding or being careless) This is a tragedy for both parties involved. I hope the Bakers sue the hell out of the city for not fixing that intersection years ago. (The city would settle out of court I am sure....any lawyers reading this??)

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superduper 8 years ago

I have a large box truck and I have to take that intersection at less than 5mph when empty to keep control of the truck. Every time I have to go to north Lawrence or on 24 I curse that road. It is very dangerous. I've seen a lot of trailers going 30 or less over that and their wheels will totally come off the ground.

What would have to be done if there were a very large hole in the middle of the road. Like 20 feet for example? What action would be taken and would it be closed until Oct. 2007?

God bless the Bakers.

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Defender 8 years ago

There is a lot of difference between driving a car over a bump like that versus a towed trailer, regardless of how many miles are on the car.

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YourItalianPrincess 8 years ago

I hope that this grandfather does everything in his power to get the message across. I truely understand how upset he is about what happened to his grandson.

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macon47 8 years ago

i am sure if i was a grandfather raisng a child i would be just as upset. but i went over that hump yesterday and had no problem , my car has over 150000 miles on it. this was a tragedy, but speed and careless driving is the culprit.

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amanda_lazer 8 years ago

That bump at that intersection has been there since I was a kid (I'm 25 now). I remember coming off of the back seat when my dad drove the speed limit. I'm not saying that the driver is innocent: Why did it take something like this for someone to say "I guess we have to fix it now"? I am so glad I don't live in Lawrence anymore. The city needs to get their head out of you know where...

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