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Bill would allow police to seek citizen IDs if actions are suspect

December 6, 2005

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— A legislative committee Monday endorsed a bill that would require citizens to identify themselves to authorities under certain circumstances.

"I think the committee actually at this point is only going to make one recommendation," said Sen. Jay Emler, R-Lindsborg, vice chairman of the House-Senate Kansas Security Committee.

"What we're talking about is a bill that deals with stopping suspects : to seek identification if there's reason to believe that they are committing, have committed or are about to be engaged in criminal activities," Emler said.

Current law allows suspects to conceal their identities in some circumstances, he said.

"Right now, if you're stopped, you don't have to say who you are. You can give John Doe as your name when it's really Jim Smith," Emler said.

"What this requires is that you say who you are."

Committee Chairman Rep. Mario Goico, R-Wichita, said having a suspect's name would allow the officer to check it with criminal databases.

The proposed legislation also would give police further power, he said.

"If the officer has reason to believe that his or her personal safety requires it, the officer may frisk the individual for firearms or other weapons. In other words (the bill is) to protect the officer's safety," Goico said after Monday's committee meeting.

But Emler said the proposal would maintain some limits on police.

"If a guy is standing in front of a pawn shop window with a brick in his hand, that would be something suspicious and you could stop and ask him for identification," he said. "If the guy is standing there looking at rings in the pawn shop window then (police can't) try and get his identification."

The committee will recommend the proposal to the 2006 Legislature, which begins Jan. 9.

Comments

Richard Heckler 9 years ago

This is what I had in mind...

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earlywar...

At this site their is an article called Domestic Intelligence is Back which fits in with the LJW story.

Ragingbear 9 years ago

In many areas, it can be considered a crime to fail to show ID to a law enforcement officer. Probable cause, suspect behavior ect are moot. They can come up at random and demand to see your ID.

In IDaho, such a charge is up to $300 dollars, and/or 90 is jail.

Just remember, big brother is watching you.

Kathleen Christian 9 years ago

Isn't this a democratic country? What happened to privacy & freedom of individuals? It is too bad the law-makers (on all levels) are incapable of creating sensible laws to prevent, remedy, control criminal activity. But they will make a law that will fit into their agendas or a friends agenda, etc. So now the only way to deal with the chaos is to make EVERYONE pay for it by limiting ALL peoples rights. We have to stop voting in these charimatic jerks and "we the people" need to begin doing our own "watching" by investigating the validity of candidates that run for office, mostly to see if they have any backbone to stand up to the pressure of making realistic laws that benefit the people instead of colleagues and friends and campaign donaters not to mention corporations. Does anyone get my drift?

Confrontation 9 years ago

Gee, I wonder who they'll be carding? It sure won't be the white teens getting ready to break some windows. This will give the cops an easy way to identify minorites whenever they get the urge. Since they always assume that minorities must be planning a crime, then this will help their agenda. Just another great Kansas plan.

Kathleen Christian 9 years ago

It's there way of getting around "profiling." Don't ya think?

newssleuth2814 9 years ago

What's sad to me is that state officials feel the need to create a law requiring people to be truthful to police officers.

Something to remember is police officers can already pull you over in your car and require your identification. Is it really that different while walking, or maybe in some people's cases running from police?

If this passes and a police officer asks you for you I.D., I suggest you smile, give the officer your name (and/or produce your id) and politely ask for the officer's name in return.

If you have nothing to hide and are polite about it, then typically you won't have a problem.

And for those who believe police officers will abuse this law somehow, what makes you think not passing the law would change anything or prevent officers from somehow harassing you? It wouldn't, so you might as well not worry about it.

newssleuth2814 9 years ago

Marion,

If you can figure out a way to prevent crimes before they happen, I'm sure everyone would like to hear how that is possible. Watching a little too much "Minority Report" have we?

allowing the police to search your house is nothing like an police officer being able to come up to you and ask what you're doing. They can do that anyway, you just have a right to give them a fake name. And speaking of "preventing crimes before they occur," by being allowed to give an officer fake information, couldn't THAT hinder an officer from "preventing" crime? Something to think about.

My comments about being polite to officers was posted because typically, and this is from my experience working with police, they are more suspicious of those who refuse to cooperate than those who are more open. That doesn't mean "invite them into your home and let them look around" and other such nonsense of an example in this case, but it can go a long way in showing you're no threat to the officer and allows him or her to do their job, which includes responding to calls that could pertain to the safety of people like you.

It's always easy to bash the police, but it's funny how our moods change when we're the ones in trouble and are calling 911.

Your welcome

newssleuth2814

DuQuesne 9 years ago

Every time someone proposes some new standard or regulation and follows up by saying, 'honest men have nothing to hide,' it's a clear signal that honest men should have already been looking for a good hiding place. - Schuyler DuQuesne

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