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More Wakarusa festival-goers arrested

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The Douglas County Sheriff's Department, the Kansas Highway Patrol and agents with the state's Alcoholic Beverage Control at this year's Wakarusa Music Festival have arrested 20 people on either drug or alcohol-related charges. This is the ABCs first year to participate in enforcement at the festival at Clinton State Park, and on the first day of the four-day music festival 13 people from out-of-town were arrested on underage drinking charges.Troopers with the Kansas Highway Patrol, who conducted three days of checklanes near I-70 and K-10, arrested three more people:A 19-year-old Milwaukee, Wisconsin man was arrested on charges of possession of narcotics with the intent to sell and possession of drug paraphernalia.An 18-year-old Oconomowoc, Wis. man was arrested for possession with the intent to sell LSD, possession of marijuana, no tax stamp, possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of a controlled substance. And a 19-year-old Madison, Wis. man was arrested for being a minor in possession of alcohol.Douglas County Sheriff's deputies assisting with Thursday's traffic gridlock arrested three people stuck in a car on East 900 Road and Clinton Parkway. The deputy found the three men from New Mexico were in possession of marijuana and a substance suspected of being liquid hashish.

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reginafliangie 7 years, 10 months ago

oh and you had to walk past officers and police dogs? When is that a crime? They were all over. You were bound to run into some out there. If you were just walking and they were just standing there I dont see the big deal.

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reginafliangie 7 years, 10 months ago

Hey, leave your stuff out in the open and it becomes public property. You were not on "your" land, you were on government land and that is how they chose to keep the land, free of drugs. Why would somebody leave that out for other to see, let alone the cops. Did you think you had some immunity because it was a festival and that stuff is aloud? Do your drugs at home if you must. But don't complain cause you got it taken away when you were using or had your "items" out in public view.

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dubmantx 7 years, 10 months ago

Oh and i wonder how much of that confiscated drugs cash liquor and beer actually got reported and turned in? I immagine there are a lot of pigs with fat summer bonusus getting drunk of my beer and booze and buying their fat wifes underwear with money they took from my campsite at 9 in the am. Id drugtest the whole lot of em. Im sure youd find at least 5% with something in their systems. And isnt bringing ATF and DEA and Homeland Security to the event a bit overkill??? I mean these people dont have real crimes to attend to? For christs sake... homeland security???? i saw it all over the place. And i wasnt too happy when i was leaving les claypool to go back to camp and i was corralled down a street past 20 cops with drug/attack dogs. Thats just wrong. I didnt do anything to deserve that. Isnt a drug dog basically a cop trained specifically in search and seasure. DO i not have the right to not be subjected to this harrassment when the cops dont have a warrent or even any kind of suspicion that a crime was committed?

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dubmantx 7 years, 10 months ago

You kansas conservatives are worse than what we have here in texas. Rest assured i will try to never go back to your poor ass state that has to charge a toll on the interstate and subjects people to illegal searches and whatnot just based on looks. Pulling everyone over just to dig arround in their cars is a violation of civil rights I dont care how you look at it. And towing peoples vehicles from the festival is illegal too. You must commit a moving violation then the cop must prove probable cause to search. They cant just run dogs arround all over the place and dig through peoples property while theyre not at camp thats just wrong. Sorry but i think this is the last waka and if not well im not coming back. Come to ACL (austin city limits) if you want to get treated like an american with rights!

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lunacydetector 7 years, 10 months ago

changing the subject from the wakarusa love fest but.....the Kansas Highway Patrol just started driving new Dodge Chargers equipped with the 340 hp Hemi V8. call it police harrassment because that car looks mean, especially when it is bearing down in your rear view mirror.

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Jersey_Girl 7 years, 10 months ago

Does ANYONE have a problem with the fact that only out-of-staters are the ones being arrested? Or are we just glad, that, as Kansans, we might get our drugs taken away but not get arrested for the possession?

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 10 months ago

I LOVE IT!!LAWRENCE CRIME POLICE BLOTTER!! Now Gauliter Olin will have LOTS of good stuff to take to the city commission for new laws and bans!!!! What a great victory for the Lawrence Gestapo!!!!!!!!!!!! We can expect these donut-chomping thugs to have a lot more laws to enforce, since they cannot seem to do much with the ones we already have. Sieg Heil, Herr Oberfuhrer Olin, Sieg Heil!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hwarangdo 7 years, 10 months ago

Marion hit the nail on the head. The LEO's get feathers for their hats, a few dopers go to jail, and the media gets a story; and last but not least, people go bonkers with assumptions that the only people who go to music fests are hippies.
Methinks some have overlooked the families and others who go to listen to the music and have a good time without the help of intoxicants - but those people who are in the majority get no notice.
This attitude shows just how small one's focus can be.
Wake up, there's a whole world out there! BTW, anyone remember the murder at the Country Stampede years ago? And all the underage drinkers busted there? Now that's something to rant about ...

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Kyle Carter 7 years, 10 months ago

i don't completely agree with you, marion, but you make an interesting point with the idea of this being a publicity stunt. it is definitely possible that this effort, and all of the press going along with it, is intended to keep wakarusa from turning into bonnaroo just as much as it is meant to keep the public safe. in my opinion, wakarusa does not have a negative impact on the community, but if it were five times the size i don't know if i would feel the same.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 10 months ago

Yas know aht?

This is a PUBLICITY STUNT on the part of LAW ENFORCEMENT and nothinmg other!

If they wanted ARRESTS, they could GET ALL THE ARRESTS THAT THEY NEED by sitting outside THE FLAMINGO, THE AMERICAN LEGION, THE VFW, LOUISE'S, THE HARBOUR, THE YACHT CLUB. HENRY'S, THE PIG or anywhere esle in Lawrence where alcohol is served and GET MORE ARRESTS IN ONE NIGHT THAN THEY WILL GET ALL WEEKEND AT THE FEAT!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT DRUGS, ALCOHOL OR PUBLIC SAEFTY!

THIS IS ABOUT THE ABILITY OF AN OUR OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT TO SONTROL THE PEOPLE!

ARE YOU STUPID?

ENGLISH!

DO YOU SPEAK IT?

RUNDLE,SHAUNER AND BOOG ARE IN ON THIS AS SUCH A THING COULD NOT HAPPEN IN LWRENCE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT!

Thanks.

Marion.

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lunacydetector 7 years, 10 months ago

i wonder how many of these hippies will clean up after the party? i bet not many. i also bet the majority profess some allegiance to saving the earth and vote democrat. will the liberal hypocrisy ring true yet again? i bet it does.

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vavs0929 7 years, 10 months ago

hahah the 4:20 crowd already lives here buddy.. sorry.

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bullistic 7 years, 10 months ago

Keep arresting these hippies. The promoter said that we didn't role out the welcome mat form them. No we didn't. It just says to wipe your feet before you enter.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

"Your allegation of gross negligence is incorrect. In fact, not checking any K-tag drivers makes this constitutional. Stop everybody who goes through a toll booth, stop nobody who uses K-tag. There's your pattern."

So, stop everybody who is mexican, stop nobody who is not. Theres your pattern. Its called profiling!

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iblong 7 years, 10 months ago

westboro Baptists where are you? We have a lake and campground of sin!

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 10 months ago

This smells like Phil Kline. It is likely this event would go along much smoother with about 60% less law enforcement. Apparently no "big" dealers are present so why not let them kick back and enjoy. We would be tax dollars ahead. They are creating a ton revenue for grocery stores,cafe's and motels as well. Someone is picking up 300 lbs of Central Soy Tofu Monday for his next musical business venture serving scrambler....YUMO.

If Phil Kline is so concerned about people impaired by drugs a KU basketball or football game would net them more than there is room in the county jail. That drug would be alcohol so why not set up check points on K-10,59 and I-70 to test for impaired/legally drunk drivers and passengers(public drunkeness) after the game. It's against the law as well.

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macon47 7 years, 10 months ago

did you every notice a lot of larryvillians start whining about his LEGAL god given RIGHTS s being violated, once HE starts skirting the the edges of the law. speeders, and pot smokers are the first that come to mind aw its just a joint, and it should be legal

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compmd 7 years, 10 months ago

Nope, I'm not a con-law attorney. I did however work in law enforcement at the state level. Specifically, I dealt with drivers license fraud and identity theft. I also worked courthouse operations with the second largest sheriff's office in the country. I enjoy meeting up with a friend of mine who is a federal district court judge to have some spirited conversation and dinner on occassion. I even got a prosecutor to drop a case against me (parking ticket) when I gave him a taste of a motion I was prepared to use against him in court. So again, no, I'm not a lawyer, but I know the law.

Your allegation of gross negligence is incorrect. In fact, not checking any K-tag drivers makes this constitutional. Stop everybody who goes through a toll booth, stop nobody who uses K-tag. There's your pattern.

Fatty, that was a Team America quote, and it kinda felt appropriate given the battles taking place on this board. Intelligent discussion is becoming less frequent here, thanks for the good posts in this thread.

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sibkiss 7 years, 10 months ago

Seriously, if the two deaths last year had not occurred, would we be seeing all this crack-down? Perhaps, this will prevent another needless death, I hope. I do believe in a person who is an adult having the right to embibe, and do other things recreationally, Do you think the parents of the two dead got angry and looked into a lawsuit ? Cops are covering the City of Lawrence's ass from lawsuits?

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 10 months ago

Entering a home to see if someone paid sales taxes does not equal checking a car trunk to see if someone has sale weight of meth on them.

When was the last time someone shot a kid in a drive-by over unpaid taxes? Or, is the war on terror being financed by the avoidance of paying sales taxes? When did someone last put their infant baby in a 400 deg. oven because they had lost touch with reality as they tripped on unpaid sales taxes? How many kids are going hungry because their parents failed to pay sales taxes?

This is the problem, the real reason why we are all so divided on this topic: there are still so many people out there who just aren't aware/willing to admit the devastating impact that drugs are having on society. If we all agreed on that, we'd all agree on how to deal with the drug problem (or, lack of problem, or the drug "nusiance" or whatever we'd call it then). Yes, I freely admit that our rights are being sacrificed (a little) for the sake of safety. I don't think our founding fathers would be happy with random searches without cause, but these searches at Wak Fest have a purpose: these festivals attract users and dealers. THAT is why when people are leaving KU football games the cops are NOT doing random searches of car trunks. IF the day came when it was commonplace to see guys doing lines of coke in the bathroom at ball games, then I'm sure they'd set up the road blocks and deal with the issue.

So the question is: How seriously do we take the drug problems we have? Not a problem at all? Then these searches are wrong. A huge problem? Then we need a lot more searches like this. The propriety of the search should be directly related to the seriousness of the danger. If the cops said "we know that there is a ticking nuclear bomb in a house somewhere in 66044 getting ready to go off" not ONE of us would object to door-to-door searches. Our drug problem is not a "nuke waiting to go off", but it's a lot more serious than "the faucet on your sink is not up to code". Somewhere in the middle there is a justification for searches for drugs, and that justification can/will/should be measured according the seriousness of our "drug problem".

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sibkiss 7 years, 10 months ago

Geez, you think thats why the cop gave me a speeding ticket - walked to my car with his hand on his gun like I was a suspect in a crime? It was chilling.

I always drive kinda fast going to meet clients, top down, enjoyed that K-10 breeze, until Thursday afternoon. It's going to cost me $138 for the ticket Officer Garcia wrote me.

Damm hippie rastafarians bringing the heat down on little old ladies like me! And to think I was going to bring them kids some Chigger-Rid!!

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

Princess: Obviously, "compmd" was able to summarize your knowledge of the law and that's what has your knickers in a twist. If, in fact, you turn out to be a lawyer then you must have slept through law school. Put that in your pipe and smoke it...

Compmd: To what do I owe your willingness to buy me a beer?

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iblong 7 years, 10 months ago

Hey Kansan's where is Reverend Fred Phelps when you need him. He could take God and clean out all those darn peolpe having fun.....NO FUN......JUST SUFFERING

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

I am sorry compmd are you a Constitutional Law Attorney?

Yeah, I thought not.

And one more time... I allege gross negligence. Reason: drivers with k-tags weren't checked.

We shall see soon enough...

Have a great weekend everyone.

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adky 7 years, 10 months ago

Old Enough - I am not a dope head, but I see or smell users in public about twice a week. I am not looking for them. Law Enforcement could do the same, but they prefer to harass folks. How would you feel if the cops turned up at your house this evening and insisted on going through your things looking for the video camera you bought on the internet last year and forgot to pay sales tax on? It might inconvenience you, but it would be effective law enforcement. Or are you under the impression that the cops are going to put a dent in tax evasion by keeping an eye open for people sitting on park benches or sitting at ball games with electronics with E-Dealer receipts hanging off their hands? Is that all it's going to take? As if an evader is going to be just WALKING DOWN THE STREET while videoing with his tax free purchase, and Officer Barbarady is going to say "hey, you paid your duty on that?!"

Same issue! Guess it would be OK with you....

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compmd 7 years, 10 months ago

Fatty, if there's a world left when this is all over, I'd like to buy you a beer.

Princess, I certainly hope you do not base your lifestyle on your skewed view of the law. A couple reruns of "CSI" or "Law and Order," the ability to use Google, and a string of articles in the Lawrence Journal-World do not teach you how the legal system works.

If you actually read the opinions of the Supreme Court Justices in the Edmond case and in Michigan State Police v. Sitz, you would know that unless gross negligence was involved in the designed protocol and execution of this checkpoint, it is legal.

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pundit 7 years, 10 months ago

If the drug searches are making our community so darn safe I endorse them after each KU home football game, and wish for the same level of concern for my safety from the state and locals.

Actually, I would be satisifed if they just did it once or twice.

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pundit 7 years, 10 months ago

Turnpike is not private. It is a public authority, and operates with governmental powers and immunity. It just isn't intermixed with the rest of state govt/transportation infrastructure.

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fletch 7 years, 10 months ago

Does anyone else think it's a little wierd that this "Crime Blotter" feature only appeared on the website in time for Wakarusa? Does Dolph not like the hippies coming to town each June?

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, 2 Tony. Geez. I guess you must have grown tired of the topic at hand.

"would you all want law enforcement stopping you and searching you and your possessions just to check and see if you did something wrong. I have no problem with police stopping people smoking joints"

So, is that your definition of effective law enforcement? Are you under the impression that the cops are going to put a dent in drug useage by keeping an eye open for people sitting on park benches or sitting at ball games with big blunts hanging off their lips? Is that all it's going to take? As if a user is going to be just WALKING DOWN THE STREET while sucking on a pipe full of weed, and Officer Barbarady is going to say "hey, is that dope?!"

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Anyone doing anything that is an illegal activity is a criminal. Like adky pointed out... With that realization, everyone is a criminal.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

Oh lord, now you're pulling out the whole "Iraq war" thing. You must have finally realized that drugs are illegal and that selling, using, or possessing them is an illegal activity and as such, anyone doing those things is a criminal. With that realization, you decided to try and change the subject. Not gonna bite. Sorry.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

good point adky!!! Totally agree!!!

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adky 7 years, 10 months ago

Everyone writing here has done something illegal. The point is, would you all want law enforcement stopping you and searching you and your possessions just to check and see if you did something wrong. I have no problem with police stopping people smoking joints, but I don't want to get a ticket for not carrying my license because I did laundry, forgot to put my billfold in my clean pants and got stopped at the Gestapo checkpoint!!!

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Liberty 7 years, 10 months ago

Jaydoc24,

The border is a completly different situation than Lawrence, Kansas. It is not dealing with people already in the country. The people that are not born here or a citizen, do not have protected rights recognized by the government which is under the Constituton. Therefore, they can stop everyone that wants to enter the country to examine their political status. The people that are in Lawrence or in the USA legally, do have protected rights and should not be subjected to a tyrannical checkpoint stop or violation of rights when you have done nothing wrong. I always have something to hide, (fourth amendment) even if I have done nothing wrong and so does everyone else. It is not any checkpoint's business to question me about anything, if I am not violating the law and giving him a need to stop me, because I am not subject to him, but he serves me and the public as long as I am not violating the law. I am not anybody's serf or slave except to the Lord, because He has bought me with with His own blood.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

So if this is a drug/safety issue, then why has this not been an issue in the prior years? I went to this thing as a teenager (long ago), it may have been called something else, but same everything else. Why is this only an issue now? About the man who died last year, it is very unfortunate, however, he wasn't the first. So that is my question, why all the hoopla this year?

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Ah confrontation, you must be a square. Thank god I don't live in Lawrence! But I plan on throwing my trash out the window tomorrow as I drive through town just for you.

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Do you blame professional sports for drunk driving? Is it the Chiefs fault that people leave the game drunk and get in their cars? NO!!! It's your own fault.

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Confrontation 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2tony: "I'd rather be at a concert with hippie's who are there to enjoy the music than with a bunch of squares who stand around yelling for the band to play their radio single so they can leave."

Squares? That's really old school! There's my laugh of the day! We would all actually prefer that you go hang out with the hippies instead of on the streets of Lawrence. Also, feel free to leave the state with them and go to their other hippie conventions/drugfests.

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Murder is ILLEGAL, is it not? But look at what Bush is doing in the middle east, taking not only the lives of Iraqis but costing the lives of thousands of American soldiers. Whats your point? You want to argue about how bad drugs are? How about how bad that guy is. What about the influence he will have on our children? But you go ahead and worry about drugs...

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 10 months ago

If I run a hotel that only has hourly rates and the city closes me down because my most loyal customers "just happen to be" prostitutes, is the city being fair to me?

There is a point at which the safety/enforcement issues become "big enough" that someone needs to be told "you aren't 'doing' this, but you are 'contributing', so we are assigning you some responsibility". Why is it illegal to sell bongs at 7th Heaven? Because the connection to illegal activity is too obvious to ignore.

Is the Wak Fest the same as a "one hour hotel"? No, of course not... but without some controls in place and a police presence, within a few years it would just be one big opium den out on the grass. I hope that this festival continues, but if the drug/safety issues don't improve, the authorities will do the plug-pulling for us.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2: I may be wrong but it seems that you are not grasping the concept that DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL. Hence, people that are using drugs are engaging in criminal activity which, by it's very definition, makes them criminals.

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

tony: we seem to be on the same wavelength today.

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

The weekend is starting. I'm out. Be safe, have a great weekend everybody, and watch out for the dangerous hippies!! They have a tendency to pack lots of heat and snap at a moments notice. They are a dangerous bunch; especially the ones from Topeka.

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Also, when was the last time you heard, "I white man, 6'2 with dreadlocks, a knappy beard, and wearing a tie-die shirt shot and killed three men today at a local 7-11"? Has anyone heard of lawbreaking hippies? The ones I know are too lazy and/or reclusive to go be criminals. So why is everyone on here raving about these people being criminals?

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

Perhaps Brett Mossiman should stand at the gate with a bullhorn, stop people in groups as they come in and say: "Okay guys, now, this is a three day music festival, no smoking gonj and absolutely no drinking is allowed!"

These are kids enjoying their youth, most of them are probably in college. They aren't out to hurt anybody. Most of them just want to get high, mind their own business, twirl around in circles and space out to some grooves. They aren't going to this festival to hurt anybody or be violent.

As for the responsibility falling on the shoulders of the organizers. I couldn't agree with you more; however, we are talking about fifteen thousand people, not a concert at the bottleneck. I am not real big on drugs but I do feel that this is a serious misallocation of resources, and a waste of time.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

"For example, bars are held "responsible" for controlling their patrons, which implies a degree of "responsibility" for the actions of their patrons (often, even extending to a parking lot or the open road). To say that the event was "responsible" for a drug death does not mean "solely responsible". If the organizers are aware of criminal activity being associated with their event, they have a responsibility to act in such a way that they help control that activity. Specifically responsible for that person's death? I don't think so; but very responsible for acting to prevent dangerous/criminal activity from occurring in the first place, especially when the likelyhood of that activity is "obvious"."

***Off topic, but good point. So would you agree that the Granada should be held responsible for the shooting death of that man outside the bar? Just curious?

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

But remember, McDonalds isn't responsible for making you fat, according to the courts. So if I invite you to my house, you go in the bathroom and snort a bunch of blow, am I responsible? No, I just invited you to my house. You are responsible for your own actions!

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

"If it is mandatory inconvenience for every driver on the road, then I do not see a problem with that."

*I think that is what some are arguing. They are NOT checking every driver on the road. And it appears they are not doing it as stated above either. i.e. every fourth car.......

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 10 months ago

Ben Ness:

OK, the drug death was not the "cause" of the festival, but wouldn't you agree that where there is a drug culture, greater scruitiny is warranted because the environment is conducive to criminal activity? For example, bars are held "responsible" for controlling their patrons, which implies a degree of "responsibility" for the actions of their patrons (often, even extending to a parking lot or the open road). To say that the event was "responsible" for a drug death does not mean "solely responsible". If the organizers are aware of criminal activity being associated with their event, they have a responsibility to act in such a way that they help control that activity. Specifically responsible for that person's death? I don't think so; but very responsible for acting to prevent dangerous/criminal activity from occurring in the first place, especially when the likelyhood of that activity is "obvious".

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

BTW: Did everybody see the girl on the homepage hanging out of the car? She looks very dangerous!! Also, take a look at the gallery, some of these kids look like they would eat themselves out from the bottom!

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Well, ghee whiz, Fatty_McButterpants I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out in court won't we?

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

My point is, would anyone who takes issue with tese checks want the border patrol to stop checking every car? I don't think so.

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conservative 7 years, 10 months ago

adky

Frankly I do think it is right. The evidence is in and they are finding a lot of illegal drugs.

As for your second point, I agree. I'd love it if they'd start doing more after the games.

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

I guess if I was going to this festival, or any place like that I would not want to be checked. But, I have nothing to hide and would not feel as if my rights were being violated. It seems like the people who really take issue with this do so for fear of being caught with something. If it is mandatory inconvenience for every driver on the road, then I do not see a problem with that.

Besides, they control the borders to this country that way, a mandatory check. You cannot refuse, or you don't get in, sorry.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Are they assuming that "out of towners" do not have ktag? If so, is that not profiling?

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Then why are they not stopping cars at all check lanes within all exits, specifically ktag?

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adky 7 years, 10 months ago

Forget whether it is illegal or not. Is it right? There is only one answer to that, and it is no. The reason they are stopping cars on the way to the festival is that it attracts hairy hippies who do not share their ex-military viewpoint.

You don't get stops like this after a KU game, but there are plenty of drunk JoCo folks heading down K-10.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

Well, ghee whiz, Princess, do you really think that they are looking to check the population going into the festival?? I don't know what gave you that idea. You just don't seem to be getting the fundamental concept that they can setup a checkpoint anytime, anywhere, and for whatever event they want to. As long as they are not just stopping cars from NJ, or 5'2" people with dreadlocks, then they are not profiling - no matter how much you don't like it.

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Liberty 7 years, 10 months ago

I don't agree with checkpoints and never have. I think that only if you are driving in a manner where you have violated a law, such as speeding or going too slow should the officer have reason to pull you over. By no means should everyone be pulled over, because they have no need to stop everyone, such as at a checkpoint, because it is only a matter of time until these checkpoint events become little more than a fishing expediton to see what they can find. And that is a violation of your rights (which do not come from government, but from God) regardless of what the Supreme Court says.

Liberty

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

I'd rather be at a concert with hippie's who are there to enjoy the music than with a bunch of squares who stand around yelling for the band to play their radio single so they can leave.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Like I said before...the Sheriff's department will have to prove that they aren't profiling or these arrests will be thrown out.

With the reporting seen here and on television so far I am not buying that they aren't profiling. I think it is pretty clear that they are just out to stop people going to the festival. They are fishing.

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mztrendy 7 years, 10 months ago

you all should check out the article on cjonline.com about the fest. Its a pretty good one.

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craigers 7 years, 10 months ago

The turnpike is still privately owned, princess. It was rumored to possibly get sold but that never happened.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Jaydoc24 said..."I think they should legalize marijuana and tax it heavily--give the money to education."

Agreed.

Violations of the law are not only unlawful for regular citizens...the police must be held accountable as well.

Look, people if someone is smoking a bong in front of a cop at the festival then of course they are gonna get in trouble. My only problem was with the illegal searches on I-70.

Well that and I have a problem with all of the lame hippie bashing that has been rampant on the boards here this week. Why you gotta bash the hippies so much people? :)

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2tony - the same principle applies. As long as they are stopping every car, every other car, every fourth car, etc.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

"This year's festival is different in two ways."

"1) A police presence is reducing the impact of the drug culture."

**How? By arresting 7 people?

"2) There are fewer medical emergencies."

**Compared to what? Last year?

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Fatty, on the news this morning, the officer said they were doing this search for drugs, they said nothing about licenses.

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gphawk89 7 years, 10 months ago

During recent trips to Saudi Arabia I've seen: - All traffic passes through police checkpoints every so many miles on every major roadway, 24/7. - Foreign nationals are paid maybe a dollar or two per day, sometimes beaten, forced to live in unclean crowded conditions, and not allowed to leave the country (slavery, basically). - When applying for a Saudi visa you're required to read and sign a "death letter" which states that "drug trafficking is punishable by DEATH - no exceptions". Posession of porn or alcohol get you thrown in jail, and eventually thrown out of the country. - Two uncooperative travellers got beat up (not inconvenienced, but BEAT UP) by the Saudi version of TSA.

Those that choose to whine about the government violating their rights during a short one-time traffic stop should consider what might happen at a similar festival in other parts of the world. After experiencing "other parts of the world" I THANK GOD that I can enjoy as many rights and freedoms as I do in this great country.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

The checkpoint doesn't have to be setup continually for it to be legal. The police can choose to setup a checkpoint every full moon, every Wednesday, or for the Wakarusa Festival. It's not a matter of the frequency of the event. It's how they conduct the checkpoint while it is setup.

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

Princess-

As the law stands now, which is the era that I have been referring to during these posts. The drugs which have been mentioned are illegal. I am not saying "be like me"--that is not the basis of my argument. What is the law (not being able to possess narcotics) is a solid line, there is not gray area. I happen to not break the law, I'm simply saying that people know the laws about drugs and are willingly breaking them.

I agree that the people are only hurting themselves in participating in activities like this, and that I really should not care. As a matter of principle, I don't. I think they should legalize marijuana and tax it heavily--give the money to education.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

princess: I know exactly what you are referring to and my comments were directed at that, as well as the checks they are doing once you are inside the festival area.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Prove the system that they are using is legal vs. illegal profiling.

The checkpoint was set up just for this event.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Fatty_McButterpants- we were talking about the I-70 searches.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

Princess, ta2tony, et al: The checkpoint that you are referring(Indiana) to was found to be illegal because it's sole purpose was to check for drugs. As long as it's setup as a "driver's license" checkpoint, and they are using a set pattern for stopping cars (i.e, every car, every other car, every third car, etc.) then they are perfectly legal.

In addition, they are not automatically forcing everyone to get out so they can search the car. If they smell drugs (I'm sure many of you are familiar with the scent a bag of weed produces), SEE drugs or drug paraphernalia, etc. then they have every right to search your car without your permission!

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

Ahh meburr, I appreciate your spin; however, the "event" didn't claim his life. He took his own life into his own hands by ingesting drugs. If he took enough drugs to end his own life, chances are he was a habitual drug user. His habits were most likely what led to his death, not the music festival itself. It might as well have been at his own home, his friends house, a concert in KC, whatever.

If I am wrong, please correct me and I will stand corrected. If not, lay the responsiblity where the responsibility should lay.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Liberty- Thanks for trying to save the sinners from themselves. Me, I will still do what I want to my body thanks. (which btw I am a non drug user)

Jaydoc said... "I just do not engage in activities that will get me into trouble. I think it is better for everyone to do the same. "

This sums up my whole point. You want people to do what you do. Why? Why do you care if they aren't hurting you?

And don't say that they are "breaking the law" because laws change. Alcohol was once illegal.

Why do you care if a bunch of people congregate peacefully, but happen to smoke a joint or perhaps take a hit of acid while doing so?

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 10 months ago

This year's festival is different in two ways.

1) A police presence is reducing the impact of the drug culture.

2) There are fewer medical emergencies.

The first thing we learned in statistics class was that correlation does not equal causation, however, this is an interesting correlation. Might it be that "making it hard to disseminate drugs" is related to "fewer people having medical issues"?

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mztrendy 7 years, 10 months ago

BTW, does anyone know if there is still a traffic problem out that way?

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mztrendy 7 years, 10 months ago

they aren't just paying attention to out of state people. I live in Douglas County and they stopped me too. And I even had my baby in the car. They're just doin their jobs.

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Fatty_McButterpants 7 years, 10 months ago

Just so you know - this Festival is a voluntary activity. The Supreme Court has ruled that police/law enforcement can conduct driver's license(drug) checkpoints as long as they use a regular pattern for the stops (i.e, every car, every other car, every fourth car, etc.). It's not a "violation of your Constitutional Rights". In addition, entering the Festival is voluntary. If you don't want to get searched then you have the right not to attend. It's your choice.

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conservative 7 years, 10 months ago

ben_ness,

No problem. Easy to lose track of threads on these boards.

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

thunder_x -

Why would you want checks after the events? For drunk driving? If so, I'm all for that, if we could afford it.

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

Liberty, another excellent argument! I agree.

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

oh, okay, I didn't read onshakedowns. My bad conservative, didn't see that. gphawk89, thanks for bringing that to my attention and being a great arbiter!

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meburr 7 years, 10 months ago

I love the "nobody is being hurt" ben_ness as last year the event claimed the life of one of the attendees. He laid there for HOURS around his "friends" dead and they were all so drugged up nobody knew!

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thunder_x 7 years, 10 months ago

If the concern is being safe, why isnt there lane checks for every car after sporting events.

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

Macon-

I'm with you, I know it won't fly, but it is just such a simple equation that I have no sympathy for people who cannot add it up.

Princess-

First, I understand the definition of liberty. What I am confused about is what you saying is unjust? For drugs to be outlawed? I, for one, do not find that unjust at all, maybe because I am not a user. I have a thorough understanding of the aforementioned equation. I just do not engage in activities that will get me into trouble. I think it is better for everyone to do the same. I understand your point about people making their own decisions and what not, but clearly that responsibility left in the wrong hands leads to breaking the law.

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

I think the best course of action is to do a comparison between the spike in tax revenues for Douglas country last years vs. this year during the Wakarusa music festival. It this influx of 15,000 people is contributing to the bottom line of lawrence and nobody is being hurt, leave it alone. KS is a joke when it comes to tourism and putting on an event such as this, that attract people from all 50 states is a good thing, not a bad thing. In my personal opinion, this debacle is up there with KSBOE. How much more can KS isolate itself?

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gphawk89 7 years, 10 months ago

ben: "conservative: Can you explain what you just wrote. It makes absolutely no sense. How did you get from 80 people potentially being arrested to 8000 people at the festival for drugs. I think you left a big part of the equation out"

Uh, what part of 8000 X 1% = 80 is so hard to understand?

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meburr 7 years, 10 months ago

People openly smoke pot and do drugs even while the officers are walking through the crowds. Last year, one officer walked through the crowd and took 80+ bongs that were being used from folks in a six hour stretch. Lets face it, if they arrested everyone for each infraction, there is not enough manpower to do so. With even the increased manpower now, they can't arrest for each incident. They have to do the best they can for the situation. The law enforcement out there try to keep the peace and make it as safe as can be for a crowd that large.

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Liberty 7 years, 10 months ago

Quote from Princess:

Liberty- great name for someone who wants to take away such things from others btw.

As long as they aren't shooting each other out there I don't care how much dope they smoke. They are only hurting themselves so why should I care? Why do you?


Answer: I'm not interested in taking away any of your freedom. Quiet the opposite, if you watch any of my posts. If you do drugs or too much alcohol, it will enslave you to the substance that you abuse. If you are not addicted to these substances, then are you free and have no need of them. By not doing drugs or too much drinking, it also removes the need for an oppressive police state because they will no longer be needed to do anything and you will remain free of an enslaving substance as well. You can do anything you want, but not all things are good for you to do... Some things have consequences after you do them.

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conservative 7 years, 10 months ago

Ben_ness,

I followed the math of onshakedown in the post directly proceeding mine. He proposed that the police would only catch 1% of the drug users. He was using it to say that 13,000 out of 15,000 weren't using drugs (like that's a good percentage). I simply extended his math for the full duration of the festival.

And no I don't believe that 8,000 of the people out there are doing drugs. But I do believe it is a disproportionately high percentage compared to the general population.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

liberty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t) n. pl. liberties

The condition of being free from restriction or control.

The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.

The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom.

Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.

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macon47 7 years, 10 months ago

Don't break the law and you won't be arrested.

doc, great concept, but it wont fly in lawrence

we have special privigles here and can do anything, because we have our RIGHTS we can quote the laws and do a little dance, so we are better than them other folks, after all it is lawrence ks, we are the boulder aspen l wanna bes

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

"Don't break the law and you won't be arrested."

***Wanna put a small wager on that?

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

Princess-

How do you define liberty? Allowing citizens to break laws designed to protect them is what it means to be free? Did you skip 8th grade U.S. History or were you just being "free?"

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

I like how people on here are screaming about out of town drug dealers coming into fair lawrence. If it weren't for people from Lawrence, KC and Topeka buying drugs these people wouldn't bring drugs to sell. It's all about supply and demand.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Is the turnpike privately owned? It is run by the KTA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_T...

The idea was presented for the KTA to sell it in January of this year, but did it happen? I can't seem to find anything beyond this:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/jan/18/groups_float_plan_privatize_kansas_turnpike/?breaking

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

I agree with Liberty. Don't do illegal things, and you won't be complaining about being caught for doing illegal things. You are breaking the law by possessing drugs (or alcohol, if you are underage) and getting arrested for it, going to jail, and paying fines is your prize--that's what you win for being stupid. I have no problem with the law enforcement and think they are doing a good job.

Don't break the law and you won't be arrested.

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Jersey_Girl 7 years, 10 months ago

Why are the police only targeting out-of-staters? That strikes me as not only ridiculous, but it's profiling. As if Kansans and people in this fine town don't sell and/or do drugs. Give me a break!

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Liberty- great name for someone who wants to take away such things from others btw.

As long as they aren't shooting each other out there I don't care how much dope they smoke. They are only hurting themselves so why should I care? Why do you?

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

I once dated a girl who was a KU law student. One night we were down at replay with about 5 or 6 of her fellow students. An ABC officer came up, flashed his badge and asked to see ID from all of us. The law students all 2L's or 3L's asked him what his probable cause was. The guy couldn't come up with anything and we all refused. I think this was the first time anybody had ever done this to him. He was completely shocked but also knew his hands were tied. It was pretty funny actually because he walked off defeated and left us alone the rest of the night. Police are trained how to intimidate suspects into compliance. They know the rules to the game and the suspects typically don't. They bank on this.

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Liberty 7 years, 10 months ago

It sure would be nice if people would learn to just have fun and enjoy a musical event without drugs or alcohol being there. If they would control themselves a little bit, it would go a long way to dismantling the police state by taking away the need for them to interfere. Do what is right and you take away the reason for this type of enforcement.

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craigers 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2tony, I think you should have added a "so there." at the end of your comment. :) jk

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, I'm going to go with Princess' quote from a supreme court ruling. When the day comes in court, that cop better have a reason for searching you, otherwise the case will get thrown out. That's why they're doing this, they're mostly not looking for court cases, they're looking to confiscate drugs and let people go on their way (except for people with enough drugs to be counted as 'intent to sell') so they don't have to worry about what a judge is going to say. We'll see tomorrow when I go to the festival. I don't have dreads, don't drive a VW and look nothing like a hippie. I almost hope the cops want to search me so I can tell them no. I've done it before and I'll do it again, even though I have nothing to hide, that is my right.

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craigers 7 years, 10 months ago

Wouldn't the fact that the turnpike is privately owned change things?

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jaydoc24 7 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, the two seem to be ALMOST linked. Drugs tend to be around where music is, as does alcohol. The drugs and alcohol do not discriminate between types of music, they are always there. The fact here is drugs and alcohol are even more prevelant at events such as this. These types of festivals attract a certain group of people, which I cannot really define.

Granola? Not really. Hippies? They wish.

The point is that these types of people represent a large proportion of drug users in America, and unfortunately, they are all packed together on state property--in sweet old Kansas.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

"A : The U.S. Supreme Court has said that such roadblocks do not constitute an unreasonable search as long as police stop all the cars passing through the roadblock or follow some neutral policy, such as stopping every fourth car. The police can't single out your car unless they have an articulable suspicion that you don't have your driver's license, your vehicle is unregistered, or that you or your car are otherwise seizable for violating the law."

What neutral policy are they using? If you have an out of state tag, you look like a hippie and you have a car full of camping gear we will stop you? That is what they are doing. It is called profiling.

And is there a case cited as reference here?

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betti81 7 years, 10 months ago

Also, from the posts yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled the only way these kinds of searches are legal is if:

  1. All traffic is stopped.

or

  1. Cars are stopped at random, such as every fourth car.

This was NOT the set up of this search. They blatently profiled the drivers by NOT stopping those who went through the K-Tag lane (aka locals/kansans). It was not random and not all traffic was stopped. Therefore, NOT legal.

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2tony: you and I must have thinking the same thing at the same time. I had a friend, once, in Lawrence that was a suspect in a crime. The police came to his house, about 8 of them, with out a warrant and asked if they could come in. He ask them if they had a warrant, they said no, and he told them to "f*ck off". They had to. Two days later they caught the person who had committed the crime and he was no longer a suspect. Point is, he knew his rights and also knew that law enforcement will push the envelope to get a bust. This is their job. It is our job to understand our rights.

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blue73harley 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2Tony - from yesterday...

Posted by Katie180 (anonymous) on June 8, 2006 at 5:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Q : Can the police legitimately search my vehicle without a warrant?

A : That depends on the circumstances. The police would not usually have the right to search your automobile when you are stopped only for a minor traffic offense such as speeding, but if the violation requires that you be taken into custody (for example, a "Driving Under the Influence" [DUI] arrest or driving with a suspended license), the search would generally be permitted. If the officer has arrested you, the officer does not need a warrant to pat down your body in searching for weapons.

In general, when an arrest is not involved, the police have more latitude to search a vehicle than to search a home. The U.S. Supreme Court recognizes an automobile exception to the Fourth Amendment's protection against warrantless searches. The Court has held that a person expects less privacy in an automobile than at home. (No one ever said "A man's Chevy is his castle.") The rationale for permitting warrantless searches of cars is that the mobility of automobiles would allow drivers to escape with incriminating evidence in the time it would take police to secure a search warrant. For a warrantless search to be valid, however, the officer must have probable cause.

Q : What is probable cause?

A : Probable cause, in this context, is a reasonable basis for the officer to believe that the vehicle contains incriminating evidence, so that the officer is legally justified in searching it.

Q : Can the police pull me over in a roadblock and demand to check my license and registration?

A : The U.S. Supreme Court has said that such roadblocks do not constitute an unreasonable search as long as police stop all the cars passing through the roadblock or follow some neutral policy, such as stopping every fourth car. The police can't single out your car unless they have an articulable suspicion that you don't have your driver's license, your vehicle is unregistered, or that you or your car are otherwise seizable for violating the law.

All of this I quoted directly from findlaw.com

So I guess they really can stop you. And maybe dreadlocks or patchouli oil or the fact you are in a VW is "reasonable basis." Of course, the festival goers could wise up and get off at another exit.

In NM, where I grew up, such large scale random roadblocks are so commonplace they are almost expected. We just don't see it here much.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

They are most definitely illegal.

"The U.S. Supreme Court decided November 28, 2000 that an Indianapolis Police practice of using roadblocks to check cars for illegal drugs using drug-sniffing dogs violated the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches. " ...

"In a 6 to 3 ruling, with the arch-conservatives Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas dissenting, Justice O'Connor, writing for the top US court, said "We cannot sanction stops justified only by the generalized and ever-present possibility that interrogation and inspection may reveal that any given motorist has committed some crime."

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betti81 7 years, 10 months ago

I wish I could go to Wakarusa Music Festival.

Oldenuf wrote: "We don't need the "4:20" crowd coming to Lawrence to do their dealing."

Uumm, isn't Lawrence already full of the "4:20" crowd?

peace, love and applesauce

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

Most of the stoners getting busted are probably so looped that they don't realize all they have to do is refuse to let the police search their car. THAT is their right. My guess would be that the police are asking and they are saying "okay". When a police officer asks a driver if they can search his car, all the driver has to say is "no" and they can't unless they first get a warrant or show probable cause. Just looking like a hippie/stoner is not probable cause.

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macon47 7 years, 10 months ago

sucking needles out of toliets on a 90 degree day talk about a job with fringe benefits wow at least the guy isnt a lamer living in his parents basement, posting blogs on the web all day so he can go out at nite and get stoned

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

Actually, unless G. Dub has changed our law again, these searches are unlawful. The only reason they're getting away with it is because most people don't realize they can say "No" when the police ask if the can search your vehicle. They have to have a warrant, probable cause, or your permission to go through your vehicle. Of course if you say no, they can detain you their until they get a drug sniffing dog to walk around you car. And if the dog smells something, they have their probable cause.

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ben_ness 7 years, 10 months ago

conservative: Can you explain what you just wrote. It makes absolutely no sense. How did you get from 80 people potentially being arrested to 8000 people at the festival for drugs. I think you left a big part of the equation out.

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macon47 7 years, 10 months ago

20 arrests if pretty lame and a waste of manpower, if that is really all they have done

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blue73harley 7 years, 10 months ago

ta2tony - see the many posts from yesterday that explain how the US Supreme Court interprets this activity to be legal. Basically you lose your Fourth Amendment Rights as soon as you get in your car. And it sucks.

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

Ha! ta2tony, ya beat me to the punch!

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princess 7 years, 10 months ago

It shouldn't take a genius of a lawyer to have the arrests from the I-70 searches thrown out. It is illegal for the Sheriff's department to conduct these searches in the manner that they are. They are a violation of the 4th Amendment.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/law/law_fed_supct1.shtml

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ta2tony 7 years, 10 months ago

I am very surprised (and not in a good way) that no one has mentioned that these searches are a violation of constitutional rights. How are the police getting away with doing searches without a warrant or probable cause? If our airports aren't allowed to profile the people getting on airplanes, why is it that the wonderful state of Kansas' Police are allowed to profile people. Are people just going to sit back and accept that these police are basically implying that anyone who enjoys music must be a drug dealer?

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Shane Garrett 7 years, 10 months ago

My buddy said he is sucking out a lot of needles from the toilets. so a lot is getting through.

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Confrontation 7 years, 10 months ago

imagold "Have they caught anyone from Topeka yet? Really, I don't understand the thinking here. LJW regular posters get up in arms over folks from Topeka coming over and creating a ruckus downtown, but they'll bend over backwards to welcome folks who are bringing, buying, selling, using, illegal substances while visiting a music festival."

LJW Posters only "get up in arms" when the criminal listens to rap and happens to be black. They'll cry for everyone to defend the hippies and let them enjoy their weed, since they are all white. If it were a black man with weed, then everyone would want to send him to jail for life.

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KaraGourley 7 years, 10 months ago

okay... maybe a lawyer wasn't a good example.. great surgeon. is that better.

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macon47 7 years, 10 months ago

their is not such a thing as a great lawyer, they are just blood suckers waiting on a tragedy to profit from most politicians are just wothless attorneys that were to lazy to go into practice

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dirtykaw 7 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, Go Kansas! Send those kids to prison for five years for doing drugs. That will show them. And that will teach them not to come to the White Midwest.

Nazis.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Oops I stand corrected.....

"...arrested 20 people on either drug or alcohol-related charges"

"...13 people from out-of-town were arrested on underage drinking charges"

So, technically, only 7 were arrested for drugs. So the count is now 7 out of 15000 for drugs!

7 arrests per day 15000 people per day 28 arrests in 4 days 60000 people in 4 days hmmmmm

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KaraGourley 7 years, 10 months ago

I agree with jester....why are they only writing about that. Why couldnt they have written about some of the artists. I haven't been to the festival because I have young kids but if I were younger, I would go. You only live once people... Enjoy life. I have been around Lawrence the past couple days and I haven't noticed a bunch of people all over, they are staying out there to enjoy themselves, camp and enjoy life!

I think it's sad that people are automatically saying... hippies, etc. You have no idea what type of people go to these things. Just like an event like STURGIS. People always say, hell raising bikers. Most of those people are there to enjoy themselves and dont look the part of what they do in their normal every day lives. In the group that we go with every year. There are 3 in the medical field anda pilot for a major airline. Dont put a label on these kids.... some could be going to law school and will be great lawyers some day and there to let lose and be NORMAL for awhile.

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imagold 7 years, 10 months ago

Have they caught anyone from Topeka yet? Really, I don't understand the thinking here. LJW regular posters get up in arms over folks from Topeka coming over and creating a ruckus downtown, but they'll bend over backwards to welcome folks who are bringing, buying, selling, using, illegal substances while visiting a music festival. You should be thanking the officers that are trying to ebb the flow. I hope they have a safe weekend. (Suggestion for next year's festival location: the Netherlands.)

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momof4 7 years, 10 months ago

Oldenuf, I have to disagree with you, "This fesitival is just a destination for people to get high." First, those people wanting to get high will get high whether or not they go to the festival. Second, I know plenty of people using this festival as a destination for great music, not drugs. My husband, several friends and my son are out there. They say the music is great, people are friendly and everyone is having a good time, a lot of them without drugs. Anytime you have a large crowd like this, there will be drugs and alcohol. I know I'd feel much safer out there, than downtown after dark.

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

20 arrests per day 15000 people per day 80 arrests in 4 days 60000 people in 4 days hmmmmm

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work4aliving 7 years, 10 months ago

Sounds like Wisconsin is sending in drug toting immigrants to our pristine state. We should put up a fence around Wisconsin and hire border guards, but then who would we get to cut the cheese?

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Gabe Hoffman 7 years, 10 months ago

You know it's retarded. The media putting a bad slant to make something look bad. 15,000 people and even at a 100 arrest doesn't represent the majority of the people there. Same thing with the cell phone ban. How come we never hear of a cell phone related accident until the day of the commission's meeting.

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conservative 7 years, 10 months ago

Onshake

Ok, Let's continue your math. 20 in the first day. Assuming that continues it will be 80 in 4 days. If they only catch 1% then that would be 8,000 out of 15,000 there for the drugs. Gee better than 50%.

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Chris Tackett 7 years, 10 months ago

OldEnuf,

15,000 people are there. 20 have been arrested.

Obviously the police can never catch everyone that's breaking the law. Let's just assume they are catching 1% of those breaking the law, so there's 13,000 people there for the music.

(this is assuming that there's no overlap between people breaking the law and being there for the music)

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justanothervoice 7 years, 10 months ago

Considering they only arrested 20 out of the "supposed" 20000 that came, I would imagine LOTS came for the music. LOTS usually do.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 7 years, 10 months ago

Seriously, we all know that these searches are only getting the tip of the iceberg. This festival is just a destination for people to get high. I applaud the work these cops are doing. We don't need the "4:20" crowd coming to Lawrence to do their dealing. Music festival: good idea. Drug festival: bad idea. This taxpayer doesn't want our state parks to be used as a marketplace for drug dealing. A number of these people are carrying sale weight with them.

I wonder how many spent needles will remain in the grass once this event is over?

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