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Duel begins over concealed carry in public buildings

February 25, 2013

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— Gun enthusiasts on Monday pushed for legislation that would allow concealed carry of a gun in public buildings and prohibit local governments from regulations on carrying firearms.

Currently, state, county and city governments can prevent concealed carry of guns in their buildings if they post a gun-free sign.

Under House Bill 2055, people with concealed carry licenses could bring their weapons into public buildings if the building didn't have adequate security measures, such as metal detectors and security personnel.

"Posting the no-carry sign is tantamount to placing a bulls-eye on that facility," said Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association.

"It only provides a risk-free, victim-rich environment for criminals," she told the House Federal and State Affairs Committee.

Al Terwelp, state chair of the Kansas Libertarian Party, said the measure was needed "to help protect law enforcement and law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise their Second Amendment rights in Kansas."

But cities, counties and other groups opposed the measure.

"It is a massive unfunded mandate on local governments and the citizens they represent," said Mike Taylor, a spokesman for the Unified Government of Wyandotte County/Kansas City. "The bill crushes local control and nullifies decision making by locally elected officials," he said.

Taylor said the cost of installing metal detectors and security personnel at the Unified Government's municipal buildings would be more than $2 million.

"The requirements of the bill are so burdensome and costly, many cities and counties will have no choice but to allowing the carrying of concealed weapons into City Hall, recreation centers and other public buildings because they can't afford to do otherwise," he said.

Several groups asked to be exempted from the bill.

That included the Association of Community Mental Health Centers of Kansas. "If an individual who is in crisis walks through our door carrying a concealed weapon, that situation presents a dangerous scenario, not only to our staff, but also for other patients seeking treatment," said Michael Hammond, executive director of the mental health association.

The Kansas Board of Regents has stated its opposition to concealed carry on university campuses. But on this bill, Andy Tompkins, chief executive officer and president of the regents, said the board was neutral because of a section that authorizes the governing board of a university to decide whether to be exempted from the legislation.

"This local control provision allows the governing board to debate and make the appropriate decision for that particular campus," Tompkins said.

Last year, a similar bill passed in the House but died in the Senate. Proponents believe they will be able to get Senate approval this year.

Comments

Fatty_McButterpants 1 year, 1 month ago

Virtually every gun advocate talks about how guns should not be withheld from law-abiding citizens because, then, only the criminals would have guns. The comments by Ms. Stoneking epitomize what is wrong with this argument: the criminals aren't shooting the law-abiding citizens, they are shooting each other, and it is the law-abiding citizen that has carried out these mass shootings.

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Jackie Jackasserson 1 year, 1 month ago

Mdlund, you make an assertion that all mental illness impacts or prohibits any logical thought or intellect, and that is also untrue.

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justanotherface 1 year, 1 month ago

How about all the liberal yuppies move to any blue state they choose and get the hell out of Kansas?! Problem solved!

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lcarol 1 year, 1 month ago

Anyone remember the rumble at the Burge between the basketball and football team a few years ago? Let's throw a few pistols in the mix and things could get real dicey. I can't smoke a cigarette in a restaurant beside you but you can have a loaded pistol in your pocket, accidentally discharge it and shoot your wife or maybe shoot me.....I love the "freedom" of Kansas. My freedom of choice now involves not going to a restaurants. I am not nearly as fearful of the "bad" guys as I am of all you good guys carrying guns.

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JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 1 month ago

We are banning cigarettes from public places, but allowing guns? I must be in Kansas...

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JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 1 month ago

Dunning Kruger effect is all I have to say. These people are not gun enthusiasts...they are so stupid, they don't know they're stupid...

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Jason Johnson 1 year, 1 month ago

Finally we get some common sense in this state! Conceal carry should have been allowed like this a long time ago.

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gccs14r 1 year, 1 month ago

The trouble isn't concealed carry, it's the people who want to.

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juma 1 year, 1 month ago

I own many guns but do NOT approve of this latest stupidity of allowing cc on campus, etc.. Was it not just a month,or so, ago that some CC A..hole shot his wife at a restaurant??!! I live by the rule 'that if it can go wrong it will go wrong'. The thought of many people walking around with guns if very very scary. If not, then ask the wife of the above mentioned idiot.

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Benjamin Roberts 1 year, 1 month ago

"It is a massive unfunded mandate on local governments and the citizens they represent," said Mike Taylor, a spokesman for the Unified Government of Wyandotte County/Kansas City.

Actually the cost of implementation is very low - $2.36 at Office Depot or similar stores. It is called a scraper.

HB 2055 can be implemented with a window scraper.

HB 2055 can be implemented with a window scraper. by Benjamin Roberts

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Benjamin Roberts 1 year, 1 month ago

"Taylor said the cost of installing metal detectors and security personnel at the Unified Government's municipal buildings would be more than $2 million."

Does Taylor really believe that a "no gun" sign - a sign that only has consequences for CCH permit holders - is a substitute for metal detectors? Does Taylor really believe those with criminal intent pay any attention to the sign?

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Dan Eyler 1 year, 1 month ago

Hey eugunieum, your comments are right on the money. I agree with the new rules being proposed. I was instructed by an ex county prosecutor who went into great detail on safety and the areas of the law that can get you in trouble. I listened very closely to his words. I can tell by your comments you had the same level initial training.

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eugunieum 1 year, 1 month ago

I am not so sure about people knowing it. If you don't tell anyone & have the right gun & carrying equipment, no one will know. Kansas permit holders are allowed to intervene in 3rd party disputes, but are cautioned to know what is going on before doing anything. To the poster above who said something about worrying security guards, CCH people would not be allowed to carry there. I like how Douglas County courthouse is set up for security. As to the signs, I obey them. If it says no guns and I don't have to go there, I don't. If I have to, I have a safe in my car that the gun goes into. I will also say that Patty Stoneking is one of the best firearms instructors I know. She and her team offer classes beyond the CCH class. I wholeheartedly recommend additional training. You don't hear of very many CCH people shooting people either. Thanks

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Nikonman 1 year, 1 month ago

Holmes and Lanza picked the theater and school because they were 99% sure there was no one there to stop them. Holmes didn't know much about guns (his high capacity magazine jammed and he did not know how to clear it) and Lanza had to break a window in the door to get in. While most would agree they were mentally ill, they still were sane enough to carry out their deadly mission. They would be truely crazy if they went into a police station or large gathering of cops and started shooting. If I were a techer in that school I would have a gun and no one would ever know it. And when the shooting started at least I would have a chance to save my students and my own life instead of crouching in a corner and waiting to die.

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Paul R Getto 1 year, 1 month ago

Allow CC in the House and Senate chambers. The sound of a few citizens chambering a round just before a vote is taken might help them focus. Wanna bet they exclude the Capitol Building?

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Joe Hyde 1 year, 1 month ago

Ms. Stoneking's characterization of public buildings as having bulls-eyes painted on them, as being victim-rich environments for criminals, paints an image of the permit-holding concealed carrier assuming the role of a duly sworn public protector ready to intercede and exchange fire with anyone causing a problem in those buildings, all of which are severely at-risk.

Her inference with such comments is that the CC permit holder is a force of armed readiness ready to do battle inside public buildings, in the public's behalf. Such drivel encourages a "hobby cop" attitude that runs counter to the training given concealed weapon permit holders; permit applicants are taught to NOT think of themselves as law enforcement officers, or to conduct themselves as such. Their permit is for self-protection, the defense of self, home and family.

What Ms. Stoneking should be espousing instead is for permit holders to leave their weapons at home or locked in their parked car if they plan on entering a public building. Particularly in buildings having security checkpoints at the entrances, do their part as good citizens to help reduce the stress level of the security guards, by not bringing the concealed gun into the building at all.

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catfishturkeyhunter 1 year, 1 month ago

Kind of Ironic that they used the term "duel" in the title lol..

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John Kyle 1 year, 1 month ago

"Posting the no-carry sign is tantamount to placing a bulls-eye on that facility," said Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association.

"It only provides a risk-free, victim-rich environment for criminals," she told the House Federal and State Affairs Committee.


What a scary outlook on the world she has.

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mdlund0 1 year, 1 month ago

Lots of people have concealed carry permits and lots of those people legally carry firearms lots of places... if they've proven anything by the overwhelming lack of incidents, it's that they're safe and responsible. Permit holders (people who have been extensively trained and background checked) are not the problem. If a municipality thinks that they'll have to post guards with metal detectors because they're having to take down a sign that only stops the good guys, then they probably need to think about posting guards anyway.

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fearsadness14 1 year, 1 month ago

I'm so happy to be moving away from this state next month.

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