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Opinion

Wisconsin voters should retain Walker

June 5, 2012

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If the polls are right, today’s vote in Wisconsin on whether to recall Gov. Scott Walker, Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch and four Republican state senators could amount to a redial of their original victory. Voters who first elected the conservative Walker on a promise to fix the state’s dismal economy and crushing debt appear ready to reaffirm their judgment.

They would be making the right decision given the results Gov. Walker appears to have produced.

When Walker ran for governor, he promised to eliminate the state’s $3.6 billion budget deficit without raising taxes. He says he has done this. In fact, the Walker administration projects a surplus of $154.5 million by the end of the 2013 fiscal year. In this Walker mirrors Virginia Republican Governor Bob McDonnell, who also turned a deficit into a surplus in his first months in office without raising taxes.

Walker promised to create a “Waste, Fraud and Abuse Commission” and identify $300 million in savings to taxpayers. The commission identified $450 million in savings. According to Wisconsin’s Department of Workforce Development, unemployment in Wisconsin dropped from 7.5 percent in 2011 to 6.7 percent in 2012. A survey conducted by the Manpower Group shows state employers expect to increase their hires in the second quarter this year. And according to the Chief Executive Group, www.chiefexecutive.net, Wisconsin jumped from a ranking of 41 on a list of the best/worst states for business under former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle, to 20th under Walker.

Republicans, who too often flee the political kitchen unable to stand the heat, will see that political fire can often strengthen backbones. Walker has stood against the heat of labor unions, not only in his state but from others as well, that descended on Wisconsin, occupying the state capitol for weeks last winter. He has also withstood the media onslaught, which, with few exceptions, has favored unions and Democrats in their pursuit of unaffordable benefits and unlimited spending.

If Walker survives the recall, he will send a message to President Obama and Mitt Romney that taxpayers are ready to consider a reduction in the size and cost of government, along with possibly returning it to its constitutional boundaries. Wisconsin went for President Obama in 2008. This year it’s considered a swing state.

When the public is treated like adults, and issues are carefully explained to them, they make decisions that are in their government’s best interest, as well as their own. The left has thrived on emotion and superficialities in selling nonstop spending and government expansion to the public. The right now has an opportunity to drive home an ancient truth: When the price of something exceeds the ability of an individual or a government to pay, we must conclude that we can’t afford it.

In our anything goes era, that truth, which was widely accepted by those who lived through the Great Depression and World War II, may seem foreign to many. But it is based on a belief system that once served us well and can again. Letting our “wants” exceed our ability to pay is what gave us the housing crisis and led to recession. Living within our means heals government and individuals.

The University of Wisconsin fight song contains these words: “On, Wisconsin! On, Wisconsin! Fight on for her fame. Fight, fellows, fight, fight, fight! We’ll win this game.”

Except that today’s vote is not a game. It is about whether Wisconsinites and perhaps all Americans are fed up with nonstop spending and overreaching government. I’m betting they are and that they are unwilling to let the USA, the nation they love, be converted into a giant ATM.

— Cal Thomas is a columnist for Tribune Media Services.

Comments

Mike Gerhardt 2 years, 11 months ago

I firmly believe that the state will retain Walker, and that could be the start of problems for the Obama administration.

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

Could be, but really won't be. The exit polls showed that the majority of Wisconsin voters actually planned on voting for Obama in spite of their vote against the recall. They just didn't believe in recalls over policy disputes.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 11 months ago

Agreed, but whatever the outcome in Wisconsin, Obama's problems on the economic front are formidable:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47674714

Obama and his liberal Democrat accomplices have proven for all time that Keynesian Economics is a scandalous fraud.

Alyosha 2 years, 11 months ago

A wholly unwarranted conclusion. A more accurate conclusion is that Republicans are making headway in their stated goal of wanting Obama to fail to get the economy going, so they can take advantage of that hope for failure the polls.

Try reading some unbiased evaluations of Keynesian economic theory, not politically biased critiques, and you'll see that history supports government spending in recession.

Even Romney agrees with that proposition.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

US Treasury bonds, and hence the US dollar, remain the most sought after investment instrument because it remains the most secure-- demand for them is so strong that interest rates are at near historic lows.

The dollar likely will not remain the de facto world reserve currency forever, but will probably remains so for several decades to come. This means that unlike most countries, we can do massive deficit spending with very little risk of inflation. But we are stupidly not using the one tool available that would re-ignite a still stagnant economy, and austerity measures will only make things worse.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, there is mild inflation, but the stagnant economy and high unemployment are much bigger problems than inflation, and stimulus spending is the ONLY thing that will restart it, especially if it's geared towards putting people to work doing thing we actually need-- like developing alternative, sustainable energy sources that will eliminate the dependence on volatile foreign fossil fuel energy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

"Because the stimulus worked right?"

Yep--if not for the stimulus, the unemployment situation would be even worse than it is.

BTW, if you don't have a job, you ain't going to be saving much, now will you?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

"Personally I don’t like carrying 100% debt to income ratio. "

Depending on your point in life, you probably shouldn't. If you're a young professional with students loans, just starting your career and family, with a newly purchased house, your debt to income ration could well be over 200%.

Not that that has anything to do with what governments do. This government has been around for over 200 years, with an excellent record of paying its debts, and unlike you, it's very likely to last for many decades or centuries more. Comparing how such an entity, which can create money merely by printing it, and the whole world honors it, acts fiscally to a human with a lifespan of around 80 years is really pretty ridiculous.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, government is different in a bunch of ways from an individual.

But, the basics of fiscal soundness are the same, I think.

If the government just prints more money, then we have inflation.

Bottom line - the idea that it's good to have enough income for expenses, and not to have huge debts, is a good one for individuals, businesses, and governments.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

" If you are part of the largest wave of retiree’s the world has ever seen you can’t save or earn interest to outpace inflation…you are losing money."

And what those retirees need most is to be able to get their SS checks, and Medicare-- things that the austerity craze has every intention of either drastically reducing or eliminating.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

Thanks so much for asserting your ideological position.

jaywalker 2 years, 11 months ago

"you'll see that history supports government spending in recession."

Negative. At least on the scale that President Obama chose to weight. There have been 20 other countries since '71 that attempted what this administration perpetrated w/ the 'stimulus'. All failed miserably, w/ Japan still in deep trouble after instituting the failed strategy in '92.

beebo 2 years, 11 months ago

Spending money you don't have (go into further debt) to try to stimulate an economy doesn't ever work and it's unsustainable unless it's your intention to bankrupt a nation.

Alyosha 2 years, 11 months ago

So are billionaires unduly influencing government policy for their interests and theirs alone.

Plus your quote marks around the word still render your comment inane. And your first phrase is a sentence fragment.

English is your primary language, False? How comes it that you can't write in English?

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Do let us revisit this prediction in a few hours. It could be major LOLZ.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

It is LOLZ, cait. it really, really is.

rtwngr 2 years, 11 months ago

We will say, "Where did you get your info, booby?" Didn't happen! Hahahahaha

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, it's gonna be a nail biter for both sides.

DeckDoctors 2 years, 11 months ago

Haha haha not even close! Can't wait for O'Dumbo to get the boot in November!

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

Cal lives in lala land. This is one of the closest races ever seen and at this point no one knows how it's going to turn out.

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

In all fairness, the polls show a lean Walker victory, the enthusiasm gap shows a Walker victory, and history tends to favor the incombent in recall elections. Lots of people think he sucks but are willing to wait for the next election cycle to oust him. The timing is also on Walker's side. If Wisconsin had allowed recall last year, he'd have been immediately out. If the recall took place three months from now, his inconvenient criminal investigations may have played a roll in ousting him, too.

History also indicates that this won't mean a darn thing as far as November 2012, so don't get your hopes up, forum zombieconservatrolls.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

17% lead now. Nails will remain unbitten.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

If you don't like the American electoral process I suggest you leave and go somewhere that it doesn't exist, like Iran or China. To date, 848,000 American troops have died since 1775 defending that process. You just slapped the hell out of all of them.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

I interpreted the comment not as a suggestion that too many are voting, rather as a suggestion that too few are working.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

Then you're being kind, jsf. If "too few are working", whose fault is that? You really think over 12 million people are unemployed because they're "lazy"?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

Who's fault is that? Wow, talk about a loaded question, Cait. If I become a skilled craftsman in the field of horse drawn carriage making, then it's my fault. If I get my Ph.D. in ancient dead languages, then it's my fault. If I rely on someone else to provide me a job, and then they don't, it's my fault. If the economy takes a downturn through no fault of my own or that of my employer, then it's probably not my fault. If I drop out of high school, and then get a criminal record on top of that, it's my fault. If I work in good faith for a number of years and the company moves the job off shore just to make an extra buck, it's not my fault. If my job has been given to an illegal immigrant who will work for slave wages, then it's not my fault. If I've over-valued what my labor is worth and my employer replaces me, it's my fault. Twelve million, you say? I'd say that is too large a group to make any broad generalizations. There might be twelve million explanations.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

The point is that all citizens are entitled to vote, not just the ones that BAA wants to have that right.

Those on the right have taken to a new push for limiting voting rights to those they think should vote.

It usually entails a "skin in the game" argument.

Personally, if we were going to limit voting, I'd do so on the basis of intelligence, rather than material wealth.

Corey Williams 2 years, 11 months ago

But I thought they were fighting for our freedoms? Is that not true anymore?

Alyosha 2 years, 11 months ago

An anonymous quote is no better than a made up quote. Cite your source so we can evaluate it properly.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

"When the public is treated like adults, and issues are carefully explained to them"

Does anybody else see a contradiction here? Children are the ones that need things explained to them, not adults, right?

verity 2 years, 11 months ago

I noticed that too, jafs. Sounds very condescending. He seems to think the public isn't smart enough to figure things out for themselves.

This column seemed even more incoherent than usual. If Mr Thomas is the one doing the careful explaining, I'll take my own research, thank you.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

So you agree that adult voters need issues "carefully explained to them"?

That suggests they're unable to think for themselves, doesn't it?

Who gets to do the "explaining", by the way?

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

So, I take it you'd like to be the one doing the "explaining", so that people vote the way you want them to vote.

Liberals also believe this sometimes, and I find it equally odd, and wrongheaded, when they do it.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Nice way to avoid the issue.

And, given that Fox is very popular, and hardly liberal (right?), plenty of people are having things "explained" to them by those on the right.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

"So you agree that adult voters need issues "carefully explained to them"?"

The more people say, the more you can use against them. I like people that carefully explain things. The more words the better.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

I hope this is traced and investigated and the people responsible are charged with election fraud. If I'm not mistaken, it's a felony. On top of that, it's an insult to the intelligence of the people that signed the petitions. "You were stupid enough to sign it. Maybe you'll be stupid enough to believe this." Yeah. Right.

DeckDoctors 2 years, 11 months ago

If democRats are that gullible should they even be allowed to vote? Walker wins easy and the annointed one is on his way out too!

bd 2 years, 11 months ago

He did exactly what he said he would do and the union cry babies are crying foul???

Tea anyone????

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

He made no mention of destroying public employee unions during his campaign for governor.

rtwngr 2 years, 11 months ago

I'll have two lumps, please! Hahahahahahahahaha

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

Walker very well may survive, by a very slim margin.

But that will only mean that the economic death spiral that he intends for the middle and working classes will continue. Combined with the John Doe grand jury investigation of the massive corruption during his tenure as Milwaukee County Executive, and his highly divisive campaign of class warfare by his billionaire backers against public employees (and everyone else in the working and middle class,) this will trigger massive blowback as voters rebel against the austerity movement driven by the wealthy saying that we're broke, so everyone but they must pay.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

BTW, the Walker recall has nothing to do with reducing deficits-- it was his use of the deficits as a pretext for crushing public unions, even though those unions offered to make considerable concessions-- and Walker refused to even talk to them.

Alyosha 2 years, 11 months ago

Unions generally have your interests at heart far more than billionaires. We can thank them for 8 hour work days (corporate interests used to demand far more hours, like they still do in China), weekends off, opposition to child labor, workers comp in case of injuries on the job, etc.

Unless your are an oligarch, billionaires don't share or care about your interests, no matter how well their marketing departments try to tell you they do.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

This should be a great day. As much as anything, this election is a gauge on American attitudes towards unions, so it has meaning beyond the election itself. As well, it sets the stage for the presidential election, at least regarding public employee unions.

Going forward, I would like to see people's right to assemble in unions preserved, as it must be, but we need to get every state back to right-to-work status and it should be illegal for union dues to be withheld from a persons paycheck without their express permission renewed annually. Also, no card check. If a union wants in, it should be by secret vote only.

Good luck today Mr Walker, and if you win, please continue your war against unions as an example other governors and our presidents might follow. America has few bright spots right now so we should be thankful for men like Walker that are willing to stand up and take America back from those that think it's OK to charge workers dues for the privilege of working to feed their families.

Wisconsin, get out there and vote!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

Are you a plutocrat, or are you just deluded enough to think that you'll one day be one of them? (Question prompted by your consistent cheerleading for a country run exclusively by and for the plutocracy.)

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm a poor non-plutocrat that refuses to envy the good fortune of others and would rather remain poor than be part of an organization that would use work slowdowns or strikes to blackmail their employer into giving them more stuff.

Those of you that subscribe to such tactics are responsible for the jobs we have lost to china or india. You drank the well dry. People are homeless and hungry because unions forced their jobs overseas. Luckily, you can't take my service industry job away.

I've always been poor. I'll always be poor. Being poor is better than being you.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

"to blackmail their employer into giving them more stuff."

They aren't asking to be "given" anything. Why do you hate people who work for a living so much?

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

"hate people who work" isn't very accurate as most won't have anything to do with unions and I try really hard to not hate anything.

OTOH, I do have lots of contempt for people that gang up and try to force their will on others. That's the definition of a union.

If you aren't getting as much stuff as you want from your employer, find some other place that will give it to you. Want to strike? Clean out your locker as you leave. Want to stop customers from coming onto your employer's property? That's against the law, go to jail. Want to attack the guy that takes the job you weren't happy with? Don't be surprised if they "stand their ground".

"They aren't asking to be "given" anything"

If my boss doesn't GIVE me money every other week, do you think I'll work for him? This is how it works: I do magical things and he gives me money. It's a fine relationship.

You hit upon an interesting idea though in your own little ham-fisted way. Does your employer give you money? Yes he does and he should be able to stop at any time. He will be required to give you money as specified in your employment contract, but beyond that, he doesn't owe you the time of day. I suppose you could still show up and stand around, but he would not be required to give you money and he might have you arrested for trespass. Employees serve at the whim of employers. Not the other way around.

That gives you a reason to be useful. :-)

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

"Employees serve at the whim of employers"

That's exactly why unions came into being.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

I don't think a union can force an employer to hire someone.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

No, but they can make it less easy for them to fire people.

Unions came into existence because of widespread mistreatment of employees by employers.

One employee has little bargaining power, while a group of them has more.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

"No, but they can make it less easy for them to fire people."

That's the part that needs to end.

"One employee has little bargaining power, while a group of them has more."

If an employer decides it will not collectively bargain, then each employee can negotiate his own contract. If the employee doesn't get what he wants, he is free to leave or stay.

Unions have the nasty habit of going beyond bargaining and will attempt to cripple a business by refusing to work while having their jobs protected by state law and stopping customers and employees willing to work from entering the premises. Those practices need to be stopped. The time for those union tactics being propped up by law is passed.

Last night was the first baby step.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

You can accept the overwhelmingly tilted playing field in the employer's favor if you like, but I'm not inclined to do that.

Part of the bargaining power of any group involves various things they can do to influence the folks they're bargaining with - removing the ability to strike (or threaten to strike) from unions renders them toothless.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm not toothless. I can walk in and demand more just as any union can. If I don't get what I want, I'll leave. As for toothless unions, I applaud that idea.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

And, when we have lots of jobs, and employers need to compete for employees, you might have a shot.

But, when the situation's reversed, as it is now, you don't.

Do you realize that many workplace protections and benefits were due to unions?

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

A huge migration? Seems to me from looking at a map, that right to work states are mainly in areas with less population density. Florida and Texas are about the only big ones I see. I'm also unaware of right to work being a huge factor in choosing where to move. Perhaps you've got some data on that you'd care to share?

JackMcKee 2 years, 11 months ago

Walker and Brownback deserve the same jail cell.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Message is, you just got busted trying to pass someone else's words off as your own. In school, that is what is called cheating.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

Hilarious. I guess BAA never learned about plagiarism.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

That would be copyright infringement, which goes beyond plagiarism.

Plagiarism is any act of attributing another's work to yourself or failing to properly cite the copied work.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Honest. We believe you. I mean, have you ever tried to lie to us?

Well, I mean, other than this time?

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Missed the point? No BAA, I recognize that it is beneath your hat.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Want to know what is really funny?

Earlier on this thread you cited "anonymous" when repeating a sentence. When it comes to lifting a couple of paragraphs, however ...? Not so much.

Now that is funny.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

"Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"

Northern Europe has trapped their PIGS and is in the process of enslaving them right now.

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

How do you catch wild pigs? Assuming you actually want to eat the pigs, you hang out in the woods and just shoot them. And then you write a glurge-worthy anecdote that has no bearing on reality and forward it to all your friends.

pace 2 years, 11 months ago

I wish Kansans had the right to sign a recall petition for Sam Brownback. Our rights are more constricted, favoring the politician's rights. I would sign a petition against Koch rule, oh, I mean Brownback's disfigurement of the Kansas infrastructure. Brownback should resign. Kansans need a good education system, not a denuded one.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

You can still clench your little fists and jump up and down and scream.

JackMcKee 2 years, 11 months ago

or get some marshmallows and make s'mores over the bonfire that used to be Kansas.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

snap, after three years of your doing exactly that, I guess you would know.

sourpuss 2 years, 11 months ago

The only people this election will actually affect are the people of Wisconsin. If they want to keep Walker, then fine, they'll keep them. The Democrats there ran a very weak candidate, as they seem to like to do. External money is rife, I guess everyone involved considers it money well-spent. However, Wisconsin is not the US. It is its own state with its own problems. Y'all can pontificate about this all you like, but it doesn't matter for most of us, it isn't a harbinger, and it doesn't reflect national sentiment. This is just a crazy side-show so enjoy.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

"The Democrats there ran a very weak candidate, as they seem to like to do."

Russ Feingold would have been a much better candidate.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Are there any Wisconsin Panthers hanging around the polling places and brandishing cheese sticks at people?

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Umm ... are there any "Wisconsin Panthers," or are you just projecting your fears?

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Anyone know of a good website for watching the results?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

The results will likely be the same no matter which site you look at.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

He used to be on the local AM station here. I listened to him every morning.

I'll be sure to watch MSNBC this eve because a meltdown is a horrible thing to waste.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

FHNC, thanks for nothing. I tuned into MSNBC at 8 and there was no Shultz, only some woman with an annoying voice that kept saying "koch" and "recount".

I feel betrayed. I think you set me up.

irvan moore 2 years, 11 months ago

has cal ever done any real or meaningful work

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

If Walker wins, it will be interesting to see how he responds.

Will he learn moderation and compromise with his political opponents, or will he use this as justification to continue his extreme, bullying, no-compromise tactics to destroy his political opponents.

I think I know the answer, but....

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

If you think Obama is a bully and you don't like those tactics, why do you support the same behavior from Scott Walker?

I agree that Obama used strong tactics to pass Obamacare, but the bill itself was a compromise to the point of nearly being identical to a bill supported earlier by the GOP.

I just don't see this same sort of compromise from Walker, and I am surprised that you support Walker when at the same time criticizing the tactics when used (rarely) by Obama.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

Those who make comments like this expose themselves as uncompromising extremists.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

Voters were illegally turned away from the polls in Deerfield, WI for not showing ID. WI has no voter ID law. GAB has intervened and are asking people to return to the polls.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

The NYT says that in exit polls, Obama is ahead of Romney.

Not sure how this will affect the Walker recall, but it is good news for Barrett.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

If he finds a source, should he cite it, or just pass the information off as if it were his own?

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

And those whose words are plagiarized. They frequently care. As do those who enforce copyright laws. Don't forget about them. And teachers. They really don't like plagiarism.

In fact, in most areas of our society taking something from someone else and acting as if it is your own, including their words, is frowned upon by most everyone.

But hey, keep thinking you are in the right for stealing someone else's words and trying to pass them off as your own. Keep repeating it often enough and you just might even begin to believe it.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

Polls close soon on Walker's day of reckoning.

Should be fun.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

From what I have heard from people I know in Wisconsin is that a lot of people are really tired of the whole thing and just want it to be over. As a result, a lot of people might end up voting for the devil they know rather than try and replace him. I suspect Walker is going to win.

Just my take on it. However, I wouldn't be disappointed if I were wrong. I also don't think this election will end up telling us much about November's election.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

B y huffpo's tally, Walker is up by about 20% right now.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

60/40 eh? That sounds like a pretty good whippin'. No wonder the president stayed away.

Also, I didn't know it, but the Lt Governor in Wisconsin is pretty hot.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Walker's up by more than 200,000 according to CNN. Keep telling yourself it's closer than it sounds. I'm sure that will be a great comfort to you.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

CNN has Walker winning by 17% now. Better luck next time, disappointed progressives.

Armstrong 2 years, 11 months ago

What Obama's thinking right now. Doh ! jsut wait till November

gphawk89 2 years, 11 months ago

So is there some cooling off period before the unions can ask for another recall or can they start wasting millions more taxpayer dollars right away?

Jay Keffer 2 years, 11 months ago

What happened to union membership (dues) once they were able to opt out? Dropped like a bad habit.

Way to go Walker. Time for this effort to spread to other states. The affirmation of Walker is far more than voters 'just wanting it to be over'. It's the only way out.

tomatogrower 2 years, 11 months ago

Well, Wisconsin allowed a bunch of rich, out of staters to buy their state. I'm sure they will all negotiate separately with their employees for a wage cut to make all those Walker fans happy. All of you who work for wages, go to work tomorrow and kiss your boss' feet. Tell him that you'll take a cut in pay. Beg him to cancel your health insurance. That way he and his investors will have more money. We can't let those poor people suffer. You should be glad that he lets you come to work for him. All hail the lords.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

LOL. My boss is from Wisconsin and despises unions. I'll congratulate him and get back to my usual job. I am glad he gives me money to do stuff for him. He's nice enough, my coworkers are pretty cool and once I get past about 10 am I actually like doing most of what I'm expected to do. I'm asked to do things (as opposed to being told) and am treated better than I probably deserve considering I'm a poor employee.

And actually, while I didn't take a cut in pay, my boss did recently change my hours to those when they can best use me. I didn't threaten to strike or stage a walkout, but readily agreed to the new schedule hoping I can help him make more money and keep his business afloat and my job intact.

Unlike you, I want my employer to make more money because when they do they give more money to me. Not that I would know. I never look at my paychecks and honestly don't know how much money I make per pay-period. My wife handles all that. I ask her every once in a while if my check was OK and she say's yes. That's good enough for me.

Having an adversarial relationship with your employer is unhealthy. If you are suffering those, maybe you should find a different job. LJW has a classifieds section.

Also, I wonder how much cait likes the smell of fear now.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

So the sheep work and the big bad wolves like you live in mom's basement or collect whatever tablescraps of welfare is left. No wonder you howl so much.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

You're a poor employee who never looks at his paychecks?

I gave you more credit than that.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Being a poor employee would indicate a lack of concern for doing a good job.

And, being aware of one's finances isn't synonymous with "worshiping" money - it's just a good idea.

tomatogrower 2 years, 11 months ago

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

Watching CNN, commentator David Gergen said that when given the opportunity, more than half of union members from the largest public sector union had opted out. That number more than the election result itself is what I'll take away from this evening.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

I don't recall him mentioning it, though he might have. I'm not sure.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

And when their pay, benefits and working conditions become intolerable? What do they do then?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

"And when their pay, benefits and working conditions become intolerable?"

That's not likely to happen. Do you really believe the State of Wisconsin will start opening sweatshops? No. They might cut the number of paid holidays from 10 to 8. Is that how you define intolerable? And of course the tradeoff for workers is that they won't be paying union dues, so they may actually be taking home more money, even with the loss of a couple of paid holidays. I lean towards being pro union. But not in the public sector. This isn't some meat packing plant and it's not likely ever to be one. The pendulum has swung too far one way and needs to swings back the other way. Whether we're talking teachers, police, fire or janitors who clean state buildings, we've come too far to believe that they'll ever be asked to work in conditions that existed a century ago.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Find a job that they can tolerate easier?

Jay Keffer 2 years, 11 months ago

Agreed, affirmation. Not affirmed = voted out as you say.

We now have a shot (slight) at digging out of this entitlement mess.

So true, little victories leading to bigger ones. I share your optimism - better times ahead!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

"We now have a shot (slight) at digging out of this entitlement mess.'

Yea, let's kick grandpa to the curb.

Jay Keffer 2 years, 11 months ago

Oh silly, that's the non-thinking response. Time to start phasing out entitlements for new entrants to the system. Those now receiving benefits, or say, within 10 years should keep them.

How on earth would we be able to sustain an endless parade of new takers? By punishing the payers? Hmmm, that won't scale.

Armstrong 2 years, 11 months ago

This is just a warm up. Come November people will be held accountable. " If the economy has not turned around by the end of my term I will be a one term President" Barack Obama

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

The only thing that will make the economy worse is to put the same folks back into power who are primarily responsible for tanking it in the first place-- the Republicans.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

So, thanks to a massive propaganda campaign courtesy of Citizens United, a majority of Wisconsin voters still believe that all problems can be cured if public workers will just join the race to the bottom that the plutocrats have forced on everyone else.

One thing about reality-- eventually it bites, and even the hardest core teapartiers will realize they've been had. Let's hope that things haven't sunk into the abyss so far by then that we can never climb out.

Armstrong 2 years, 11 months ago

Walker $ 3.6 Billion defict when taking office. 2013 $154 Million surplus Obama $ 8 Trillion deficit when taking office right now $ 15 Trillion deficit Just sayin

Armstrong 2 years, 11 months ago

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Armstrong 2 years, 11 months ago

" citin" the article for Walkers numbers. I'm sure you can dig up Obamas on line

woodscolt 2 years, 11 months ago

Right, Walker borrowed his way out of the deficit, but he was willing to lie about this and the idiots who believed his lies are simply that, idiots. When the money has to be paid back, who is going to do it. Oh, thats right the folks who are to young to be able to do anything about it until they get the tab.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

And still you don't get the numbers correct. Geez.

Armstrong, why is it so difficult for you to admit that the deficit was higher when Obama took office? The deficit was $10.6 trillion when Obama took office. Just a simple fact check will do your argument wonders. Honestly. It isn't like the deficit going from $10.6 to $15 trillion is anything to brag about or dismiss, so why not use the actual numbers? http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/

woodscolt 2 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, and how much of what Obama gets credit for was a carry over from policies implemented by Bush. Not to mention that the 800 billion was a hale mary to bail out the Bush regimes wreck. Don't forget tarp which was a carry over from Bush regime as well.

Another lie spewed over and over is how much federal spending has gone up under Obama. Fact is Obama has increased spending less than any president since Ike and Ike just eked out Obama by a fraction of a percentage point.

For the right wingers, its not about the truth its all about what they say the truth is. They don't understand that they don't get to sit in their smoke filled rooms and decide what they want the truth to be.

woodscolt 2 years, 11 months ago

If the Dems had any real interest in winning this recall they should have picked a "non austerity " candidate to run against the right wing fanatic.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

FYI-- Democrats did gain control of the Wisconsin Senate, so Walker's class warfare agenda will at least be greatly slowed.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Today I will salt my food with the bitter tears of disappointed progressives.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

"observant (anonymous) says… Wonder what the nutcases will be saying after Walker is recalled today? June 5, 2012 at 6:38 a.m." I LOLd so hard I think I peed a little.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 11 months ago

Snap, maybe Observant did something else when the results began coming in.

The grapes will be plenty sour today, as has already been demonstrated above.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Interestingly, Walker outspent his opponent by about 8/1, but only won by about 54-45% last time I saw the numbers.

Of course, I'm sure this will be hailed as a "landslide" victory and a "mandate" by some.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

O.K., time to make some assumptions here. "Vertigo", in a comment above said that 86% of the voters had their minds made up prior to the infusion of the large amounts of money. Let's assume for just a minute that based on that, the voters were split evenly, 43% each. That would mean that the big money was able to influence the remaining 14%, with 10% going to Walker and 2% his opponent. That's quite a lopsided number, one that I wouldn't expect and one that I wouldn't trust. Given that the overwhelming number of voters had their minds made up before the money came in, I'm more of the opinion that the money itself had little if any impact on this race. Now if the final numbers were 51%-49%, then the money argument makes sense to me. Not here. That said, I'm also not convinced that the intent of the voters is to affirm the policies of the governor. Recalls are a different breed. I suspect many just don't like the idea of removing an elected official except under rare conditions. And that those conditions didn't exist here.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Nice assumptions and opinions - no facts there of course.

It's been well documented, on the other hand, that the guy who spends the most money almost always wins.

You could be right about recalls.

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

It's been well documented, on the other hand, that the guy who gets the most votes almost always wins.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 11 months ago

On another note, it was highly entertaining last night to listen to Rachel Madcow desperately attempting to spin this Democrat Disaster in Obama's favor, while Paul Begala on CNN directly criticized Obama for not coming to Wisconsin, a sure confirmation of the ever-growing rift between still-bitter Clintonistas and the Choomer-in-Chief as November 2012 approaches.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

And those "libs," like myself, who predicted Walker would win? To what are we clinging?

So where was all this fiscal acccountability from Republicans when Republicans were in the White House? Just asking.

But hey, it is the other guys who are the "sheeple," isn't it? It always is. BAAaaaaaaaaaaa.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, I would agree that racism, bigotry, misogyny, rules that favor the rich over the rest are indeed things that divide the nation. Glad you recognize this.

Mike Ford 2 years, 11 months ago

the voters of wisconsin didn't win this election....the adelsons, kochs, and other robber barons did.....nice to see our resident paupers paying homage to their economic oppressors...just like the small farmers in the south paying homage to the plantation owners masters who held all poor people in check. it's funny and ironic but I always hear some patriotic dimwit building up america. why did they leave europe? they left europe because many of the immigrants there were leaving feudalism where their ancestors were paupers and they came here for a better life (laugh). they are such history dummies that they come here and support whom one might ask? the very kiind of crooks who drove their ancestors here. dumb is coming on fast......

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

Don't worry-- Citizen's United means that the Koch Bros., et al, will be buying up all media to get the message out, ad nauseam.

Alex Parker 2 years, 11 months ago

That's a bit of hyperbole, rockchalk1977. Some news organizations did choose to highlight the Wisconsin recall. But we live in Kansas, and we cover local news. So that's what we put on the front page.

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm so sorry that your source for local news did not tell you right away about this not local news.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

So you think Republicans staring into the future with rose colored glasses as a result of a single recall election would make a better cover photo?

DeckDoctors 2 years, 11 months ago

Such a lame covering for a bitter defeat for Liberals. Most media is crawling with Liberals, and so they do their best to cover their losses and pretend it's in the name of 'local news'. History is local news, and it was made in Wisconsin yesterday and it effects us here in Lawrence Kansas. Where are the adults on staff of this newspaper?

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

So who won the elections in New Jersey? California? Iowa, South Dakota, New Mexico? How about the other four recall votes in Wisconsin?

They were all having elections last night, and not all of them went with the conservative candidate. There's a reason none of them were covered in the local paper. The thing they all have in common? None of us voted in them. Be glad Wisconsin's election got coverage at all.

DeckDoctors 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, we should thank Dear Leader that we still have a few independent media outlets left...let's see how long we do get to live under the Constitution.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

You really should make up your mind.

The NYT, according to you, is a well known liberal paper, and yet they ran the story as their top story.

Cognitive dissonance, anybody?

Carol Bowen 2 years, 11 months ago

In my travels, I have noticed that most local papers start with national news. LJW did that years ago.

tomatogrower 2 years, 11 months ago

rc1977, children looking at the celestial event is really more important. It's too bad the politicians don't remember this. They protect that fetus, but not the children. And they only protect that fetus, so they can stir people's emotions and win their votes.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Those who hail this victory should consider whether they apply the same standards to other issues.

For example, a recent poll showed that about 54% of Americans now favor legalizing same sex marriage.

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jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm not playing any sort of "game" at all.

I find Obama's record to be less than ideal, but far from terrible, given the mess he inherited and serious obstructionism from the R legislature.

He still is the better of the candidates in my view.

Now, if you'd like to respond to my post, that would be nice - if one cheers a 54% victory in WI as the "will of the people", then that would mean one should cheer a 54% victory involving same-sex marriage - do you do that?

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Please answer the question.

If 54% of voters are in favor of same sex marriage, and it passes by that margin, will you celebrate that as the "voice of the people"?

I'll make it clear for you - if you don't, then you're not applying your logic consistently, and are just celebrating your partisan victories.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

When discussing the WI situation, you spoke of the "voters" demanding fiscal responsibility.

So, a small majority of the same amount as in the poll somehow translates into more than that, when it comes to WI.

But, not, clearly, when it comes to other issues.

I don't celebrate small victories as some sort of mandate, regardless of who wins - a large minority indicates a substantial disagreement with the outcome.

Partisan blindness seems to lead to ignoring that fact.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Again, nicely missing the point.

If it's the "will of the people" in WI, then it's the "will of the people" when Obama gets elected, and the "will of the people" if/when a majority votes in favor of same sex marriage.

I, on the other hand, don't see it that way - it's the "will of 54% of the people" in all cases like that.

When there are large minorities dissenting, one can't claim things like "will of the people" with any integrity.

So, I assume that you conclude that Obama was elected due to the "will of the people"?

And, what on earth socialism has to do with this conversation is beyond me - I'm simply pointing out the under-representation of the minority in our system, and the tendency for people to exaggerate the meaning of marginal victories.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Of course you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Never said you could.

My point stands, and you have failed to respond to it enough times that I'm certain you have a biased partisan viewpoint in which a small victory by "your side" counts as more than a small victory by "the other side".

Those sorts of things bother me, regardless of who's doing it - I have commented when people claimed Obama's election meant more than I thought it did as well.

We could, by the way, design a more representative system, in which minorities are represented in the outcomes of elections, if we wanted to do so.

And, if we did, our elections would more accurately reflect the "will of the people".

By the way, I don't appreciate your attempt to stop me from posting on here.

I take it that you agree that Obama's win of the presidency is as much the "will of the people" as the WI victory for Walker - if you don't your position lacks consistency and integrity.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Contrary to what they say on polls, Americans consistently vote against legalizing same sex marriage.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

... today. In 10 - 20 years? It will be a mute point.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Oh, we'll still be talking about it. It may be a moot point, though.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

If that's true, one would have to ask the obvious question of why that might be the case.

Perhaps the answer is simply that many who are in favor just don't vote at all.

Regardless, the point remains - people seem to cheer small wins, like 54%, when they're in their favor, but don't apply that logic consistently.

That suggests to me that they're not really in favor of majority rules, unless they happen to agree with the majority on a particular subject.

chootspa 2 years, 11 months ago

The answer is that it's a recent shift in opinion. It also skews more toward younger voters in favor and older voters against, so turnout is a factor there.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

"thug in chief"?

Wow.

I see by your avatar that you are desperate to again see a president with a white face, but honestly, calling a Harvard law grad a "thug" is really dumb.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm not the one putting our president in white face or calling him a "thug."

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

Is that "white" face. I thought is was the Joker from the Batman series.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

What is the difference? Either way it is putting white makeup over his naturally dark features, is it not? I'm just pointing that out.

Aiko 2 years, 11 months ago

Why is the word "thug" racist to you?

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

It was the avatar she referred to - have you seen it?

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Doesn't that refer to some group in India? I've never met an unfriendly Indian.

DeckDoctors 2 years, 11 months ago

Bravo RC1977! We suffer a journalistic deficiency in the US, the biased media cover for this loser daily.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Being a Harvard grad does not make him brilliant, of that I would agree. My comment was on your use of the word "thug." It is an interesting choice of word to describe a president, one that had never been used to describe a president before.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

Here's a headline you won't see, but should: "Scott Walker Spent 88% of the Money to Get 53% of the Vote."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/06-0

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

So then, a candidate spending tons of money is okay when that candidate is on the sinister side of the aisle, but bad when the candidate is on the dexter side?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

If you say so? (I suppose you're referring to the 2008 election, in which the big money chose to support Obama rather than McCain. Does that mean you now support Obama, since he got more of the big money?)

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 11 months ago

The headline on my own Facebook feed this morning: "Thank you, Scott Walker. You have done us a great and historic favor. Our most important next step is now blindingly clear.: we must overturn Citizens United. We must enact a Constitutional amendment recognizing only natural, human personhood."

Scott Walker outspent Tom Barrett to the tune of 8:1. Of the money spent, over two thirds of Scott Walker's campaign contributions came from out of state, corporate sponsors. The bulk of Barrett's contributions came from in state, single donors. If nothing else, it proved that elections can be and are, bought.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

You really want to recognize only "natural, human personhood". OK. Our government only represents human persons. They don't represent dogs or buildings. Fair enough. Corporations aren't people. Of course, since we no longer consider corporations as persons, we can do one thing really cool - we can make them shut up. We could forever end commercials! But their is a a small downside you might not like so much. Since we can control their speech, we can prohibit them from voicing an opinion regarding elections. That's what you want, but here is the price: the legislature can only tax those they represent. No taxation without representation. You want to take away corporate personhood and their ability to affect their representation, get ready to stop taxing corporate profits - at all levels.

That might be a good idea as it would definitely end our unemployment problems. Companies would flock to America to avoid taxes as fast as teachers abandon unions when they get the chance.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Since corporations can't vote, isn't taxing their profits taxation without representation now?

And, I'm not at all sure that businesses and people have the same status in our society, or should.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Yes, I've also noticed that you have had a number of posts deleted lately.

Must be someone else's fault, because it couldn't possibly be your habit of making unwarranted personal attacks and your use of calling people names. Must be bias against conservatives, who are always the victims after all.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

The comment was. However, that is not the same as if I said it of you personally, which I would not do. I did not call you dumb, nor would I, but I would say it about your comment. We are all capable of writing and saying dumb things, even very intelligent people. I hope you can recognize the difference.

Aiko 2 years, 11 months ago

You are like a joke. I am not calling you a joke.

beatrice 2 years, 11 months ago

Ouch. That like hurt my feelings. Sniffle.

So it has come to my attention that when I was on vacation you and BAA were asking questions about where I was and making comments about me. Nice to know I have followers.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

You should rephrase that to "your ideas are jokes" if you are trying to turn Bea's words against her. The "you are" part is what you want to avoid.

I don't think she or her words are jokes. Both are mostly just wrong.

cato_the_elder 2 years, 11 months ago

"It's Everyone's Fault but Mine" has to be Obama's theme song.

Alex Parker 2 years, 11 months ago

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If you need to get reacquainted with the TOS, you can read it here: http://www2.ljworld.com/site/rules/

Alex Parker 2 years, 11 months ago

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

In other election news from yesterday, California rejected a $1 per pack additional tax on cigarettes. Opponents claimed that this tax would hurt the poor, as they represent a disproportionate higher number of smokers.

I'm amazed people could make that argument with a straight face.

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

I'm not sure why you think that's so funny.

Poor people tend to be less well educated, and thus more likely to smoke. In addition, taxes on things like cigarettes are regressive in nature.

Where's the humor?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

I didn't say it was funny. There's a certain irony involved.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

Are they teaching "do not smoke 101" at the college level now?

jafs 2 years, 11 months ago

Are you claiming that educated people and uneducated ones act in the same manner?

jhawkinsf 2 years, 11 months ago

Some information is common knowledge to all of a certain age, with some rare exceptions.
Smoking is bad for your health. I can make that statement in full confidence that every single adult in America knows that to be true. There can be no argument. Whether you are rich or poor, black or white, male or female, it makes no difference whatsoever. Those that choose to smoke are making a decision contrary to their own best interests. I have no problem making that decision more difficult by raising taxes on that product. If it in fact does effect one group more than another, so be it, since I'm coming from a starting position that they already know they are doing something detrimental to their health. Quite frankly, with this issue, questions of race, class, gender, ethnicity should not be a part of the discussion. Hence my original thought that making an unhealthy decision more difficult was met with opposition from those supposedly advocating for the group that wants to continue to make bad choices. Those advocates need to get a new job.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 11 months ago

But in a parallel to the Wisconsin election, tobacco companies outspent their opponents by a considerable margin.

Democracy is definitely for sale.

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

I saw that. They are just talking BS.

Investigate and if they have the means and the threat is deemed genuine by professional deemers, put them in prison, otherwise, let them rant like the idiots they are.

We need to keep enough wits about us to spot the dangerous people and the mouthy people. Mouthy people like me mean no harm, but a few dangerous sociopaths are out there and sick enough to kill a fellow human. I'm sure we can tell the difference in the vast, vast majority of cases and the balance is a sad payment for freedom of speech.

yourworstnightmare 2 years, 11 months ago

I must say I am a bit surprised at this result. Not that Walker won. I thought that was at least even odds. But I am surprised at the margin of victory.

It also surprises me that in exit polls, Obama was ahead of Romney considerably.

What this says to me is that the voters supported the status quo. While this Walker victory could spell trouble for Obama, the exit poll numbers suggest that Obama might get a "status quo" bump that aided Walker.

Armstrong 2 years, 11 months ago

I heard many of the voters said they would vote Obama regardless as they did not want to be ratted out by the Union thugs

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Exit polls are being hashed right, left and center even as we speak. http://minx.cc/?post=329916

booyalab 2 years, 11 months ago

Public school is like a giant MS-OS computer that has grown 5 stories tall and is trying to steal all our money and eat us alive. It's not just laughably antiquated, it's bent on destroying us.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

Where's observant been? I hope he/she/it wasn't injured by the avalanche of FAIL that happened Tuesday.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 11 months ago

VOTERS BEWARE VOTERS BEWARE VOTERS BEWARE

Massive Misinformation Machine Confused Wisconsin Voters = do recall vote AGAIN

Election Protection Hotline Keeping Busy with Confused Voter Calls

Questions about requirements for Election Day Registration, poll workers improperly asking voters' ID and deceptive robocalls suggesting voters who signed petitions or voted in earlier elections did not have to vote again are among reported issues.

Below are some of highlighted issues being reported:

* Voters initially turned away despite providing sufficient proof of residency;
* Voter was challenged by poll worker because she did not provide a photo ID; however, when the voter threatened to record the conversation, the poll worker apologized and allowed her to vote;
* Voter received a letter in the mail falsely stating that her polling location had changed because of an event;
* Voter reported being turned away and witnessing others turned away despite providing sufficient proof of residency;
* Voters reported being challenged repeatedly by the same poll worker, but having no problems with a different poll worker;
* Voter received a voicemail from an unidentified voicemail falsely stating that if you voted in a recall primary you don't need to vote in the recall election);
* Voter reported individuals wearing "Vote!" teachers providing incorrect and misleading information to voters about the location of their polling location. They suspected that these individuals were attempting to dissuade voters by frustrating and misleading them;
* A voter reported that he and his wife encountered people inside the polling place (not officials) yelling at him “you better not vote for Scott Walker,” and another individual asking to see their ballots and, when they refused, accusing them of being Republicans;
* Poll workers were making mistakes by marking the wrong names on the voter roll, and not monitoring the polling boxes;
* Leading up to the elections Milwaukee County buses had false information about photo ID laws, dissuading voters because of their lack of ID.

http://brookfield-wi.patch.com/articles/election-protection-hotline-keeping-busy-with-confused-voter-calls?logout=true

bd 2 years, 11 months ago

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRYBABIES!!!!!!!!! YOU LOST GAME OVER! GO SPEND YOUR UNION DUES ON SOME OTHER LOST CAUSE!

Tea anyone??

LJW NICE REPORTING--NOT!

Flap Doodle 2 years, 11 months ago

The losers who signed the recall petition should be billed for the cost of the election.

tbaker 2 years, 11 months ago

28,785. That is how many dues-paying members of the American Federation of State, County and Municiple Employees were left in Wisconsin after Mr. Walker allowed them to choose whether union dues would be taken from their paychecks each week. Before that, Afscme had 62,218 dues-paying members in Wisconsin. There is a degree to which public union involvement is, simply, coerced. (Peggy Noonan)

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