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Brownback says state is returning to feds $31.5 million health care reform grant

August 9, 2011, 1:36 p.m. Updated August 9, 2011, 5:53 p.m.

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Gov. Sam Brownback has been a vocal supporter of developing a healthcare exchange in Kansas. Until this week. On Tuesday, he directed Kansas to return the grant to the federal government. The video was shot at a June meeting of the Elephant Club in Johnson County.

— Gov. Sam Brownback on Tuesday rejected a $31.5 million grant from the federal government to implement a part of health care reform designed to allow Kansans to get the best insurance coverage possible.

In announcing the decision, Brownback, a Republican, said in a prepared statement, “There is much uncertainty surrounding the ability of the federal government to meet its already budgeted future spending obligations. Every state should be preparing for fewer federal resources, not more. To deal with that reality, Kansas needs to maintain maximum flexibility. That requires freeing Kansas from the strings attached to the Early Innovator Grant.”

Asked to elaborate on what federal requirements were attached to the grant, Brownback’s office did not respond.

Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, also a Republican, who was administering the grant from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, said there were few strings attached.

“There are conditions with the grant that we were going to have to meet, but HHS has been incredibly flexible,” Praeger said.

“It’s a missed opportunity,” Praeger said of Brownback’s decision, “but I understand the politics.”

Republicans in Kansas and nationally are calling for repeal of President Barack Obama’s signature piece of legislation, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

At the American Legislative Exchange Council meeting last week in New Orleans, which key Kansas legislators attended, a topic of discussion was on ways legislators could return to their home states and take action to try to stop implementation of the law.

In ALEC’s “State Legislators Guide to Repealing ObamaCare” one of the strategies is for states to decline federal grant money that comes with “federal strings.”

Brownback, when he was in the U.S. Senate, voted against the legislation, and as governor has supported efforts to challenge it in court. However, he had earlier given his blessing to getting the grant.

On Tuesday, Praeger was brought into a conference call led by Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, who said the state was opting out of the grant.

In February, HHS announced the award of seven agreements to states to help design and implement the information technology infrastructure needed to operate health insurance exchanges.

Kansas was one of the seven set to receive $31.5 million. At the time, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, and former Kansas governor, said, “Early innovator states will play a critical role in developing a consumer-friendly marketplace where insurers must compete to deliver the best deal. These grants ensure that consumers in every state will be able to easily navigate their way through health insurance options.”

In April, Oklahoma opted out of its grant. Now Kansas has followed.

Kansas Democrats criticized Brownback’s decision.

Democratic Party Chairwoman Joan Wagnon said, “Brownback showed he cared more about kowtowing to the extremists of his own political party than the people of Kansas.”

Senate Democratic Leader Anthony Hensley of Topeka said, “Over the years, I’ve heard conservative legislators consistently complain about unfunded mandates.

“Now, with a funded mandate available, Gov. Brownback has decided to opt out, forcing future funding to come from the state general fund. Kansas taxpayers can’t afford to pay for Gov. Brownback’s political grandstanding.”

House Republicans rallied to Brownback’s side.

House Speaker Mike O’Neal, R-Hutchinson, said, “With strings attached, an unknown ultimate price tag and an unworkable timeline, the ‘early innovator’ grant involves unreasonable risk. The governor made the right decision. We must continue to focus on health solutions that meet the needs of Kansans.”

Praeger lamented the loss of the grant. “We really had an opportunity to create a process that really worked well for us,” she said. Now, she continued, if the health reform law is upheld, the federal government will probably develop Kansas’ exchange. The loss of the grant funds could also impact efforts to improve the state’s Medicaid system, she said.

Praeger, a former state senator from Lawrence, said making affordable health care available shouldn’t be consumed in partisan politics. “It’s about doing the right thing,” she said.

Comments

Hooligan_016 3 years, 9 months ago

I really do not know what to say in response to this ...

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

That's interesting.

But Chomsky is hardly a neutral source, really.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

What?

I like Chomsky, actually, but he's not neutral - he has a distinctly rather left wing point of view.

TheStonesSuck 3 years, 9 months ago

It seems clear to me that Chomsky is decidedly nonpartisan. He criticizes the entire system. Dem and Rep senators/representatives are essentially the same, in that they advance their own interests to the detriment of everyone else. The system is what's broken. Dems and Reps are two sides of the same sword disemboweling the country. Meanwhile, we argue amongst ourselves about trivialities.

estelleandernie 3 years, 9 months ago

Maybe the Governor's response should be his plan on how he will help those in Kansas who have no insurance, or are under insured or have been pre-existing conditioned out of coverage.

madcow 3 years, 9 months ago

How many jobs will not be created due to returning that money?

BaldwinDad 3 years, 9 months ago

A similar question is how many jobs were lost in collecting/creating that money.

Alyosha 3 years, 9 months ago

This question is a non-sequitur. But I'll answer anyway: 0 jobs were lost collecting creating that money.

It's money already appropriated / budgeted by Congress to give to states to set up health insurance exchanges.

Brownback isn't doing what's best or right — he's refusing the money purely out dogmatic thinking.

Alyosha 3 years, 9 months ago

This question is a non-sequitur. But I'll answer anyway: 0 jobs were lost collecting creating that money.

It's money already appropriated / budgeted by Congress to give to states to set up health insurance exchanges.

Brownback isn't doing what's best or right — he's refusing the money purely out dogmatic thinking.

Mike1949 3 years, 9 months ago

Yep, Kansans have to suffer more and more. I guess that is one way the Republicans can eliminate competition, kill off all the old people. Is going to make the state charted stating that next? The state is required to kill off all old people, the sick, the poor because they don't believe as we with our hands spread open under the tables, just make sure it is in 100's.

Jimo 3 years, 9 months ago

How ironic that under the Democratic approach to debt the debt clock had to be unplugged because it wasn't programmed to run backward.

But then came along George Bush and the GOP Congress. The rest is history.

Jimo 3 years, 9 months ago

BTW - Eric Cantor isn't President.

Jimo 3 years, 9 months ago

That's probably okay. I suspect Sebelius is far more competent at designing a market exchange system for Kansans than Brownback.

After all, Sebelius spent years overseeing the insurance system while Brownback was back in DC running up the national debt.

WilburM 3 years, 9 months ago

As the KS Health Institute pointed out yesterday, there is a trend here, with KS either returning $$ or not applying for Federal $$. Isn't there anyone in state government witty enough to figure out how to use these funds to the benefit of Kansas citizens? These decisions seem ideologically driven, rather than well considered. And we get fewer jobs and fewer services. But we are pure.

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

How many ways can you say "idiot"? I'll start, Brownback!

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

How many ways can you say "idiot"? I'll start, Brownback!

Katara 3 years, 9 months ago

So Brownback wants to give up the chance to be part of the development of healthcare reform?

How very short-sighted!

overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

but to a good republican, health care reform is bad because Obama supported. The fact that the final bill mirrors very closely a Republican proposal from the American Enterprise Institute in 2007 is now irrelevant. It doesn't matter to them that the bill, when fully implemented, will lower government health care costs, thereby lowering that durned deficit they pretend to care so much about.

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

He'd rather we follow the plan of don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

Whatever the strings were, they weren't as powerful as the strings ALEC already uses to make Brownie dance.

jfhoosier 3 years, 9 months ago

So in the last week, the state has refused to apply for federal health improvement program dollars and also returned millions of healthcare dollars. WOW!!! Way to look out for the people.

Joe Hyde 3 years, 9 months ago

Did he run this plan past the full Legislature before ordering the federal money returned? No. This is yet another autocratic decree more befitting a Third World dictator, another financial mortification inflicted on us by St. Sam the Pious.

Come November 2012 I may bear down so hard putting my X into the boxes for Democrat candidates that I'll snap the pencil.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

Let me offer a different point of view. Whether it is a good use of federal dollars, states have accepted those dollars because the other states were accepting them and no one didn't want to not get their "fair share" of the free money.

This attitude allowed the federal government to continue spending money they did not have. I don't know all the details, but perhaps instead of criticizing KS for not taking these dollars, maybe we should applaud our state for not being one of the hogs at the federal trough and having the courage to say no to the "free" money.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

Oh, come on. This only purpose here is to get Sam a fawning puff piece on Fox News, and it'll be the citizens of Kansas paying the price for this publicity stunt.

parrothead8 3 years, 9 months ago

But they DID have this money. It actually existed. They gave it to Kansas. Kansas then HAD the money, and now gives it back. Dumb.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

It is borrowed money. The United States is broke and we are living off borrowed money. Why is that hard to understand.

Will $31 million save the US? No, but multiply it by 50 and that by all the times states are given money that is borrowed then you're talking real money. How do you think states like KS are able to get more fed dollars than they pay? It is because the feds just print up a batch.

States that take the money are enablers and contribute to the downfall and demise of our country. Maybe Brownback did it for the wrong reason, I don't know, but states need to say no to fed dollars. They aren't free and come with a high cost, not only in the strings that are often attached, but to the harm of our nation.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

Ok.

So when we have to create the infrastructure as part of the ACA requirements, where will that money come from?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

So, should Brownback turn down all federal money? Like money for highways?

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

I won't say that all fed dollars should be turned down as each has to be judged on their own merits, but the possibility of saying no thanks should be considered.

The state has said no before because of the strings attached. It is not easy being a leader especially when there is sacrifice involved. Yes, it is easy to take each and every handout from the federal government and not so easy to say no, even when it is the right thing because it will have no negative impact on the state.

And as jafs pointed out there is the question of how to fund the infrastructure creation in the future if we need to create it.

Not an easy issue with a black and white answer. Our country is in trouble and there are no magic bullets or easy answers to fix it other than stop fighting with one another and start working together.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

I will say as I learn a bit more about this issue, it does not seem like a good idea to turn down the money. Kansas could have used those funds to shape the exchange not only for KS but the nation which I think was the purpose of the grant. Maybe there is more to it so my opinion is subject to change upon further reveiw :)

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

I believe the money was returned as part of the republicrat's efforts to see that the new healthcare plan fails.

hedshrinker 3 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for being brave enuf to change yr position in the face of information; wish more people could do so.

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

point on now fred...!! "Kansas could have used those funds to shape the exchange not only for KS but the nation..."

Katara 3 years, 9 months ago

@fred-mertz

This money could have had Kansas be the example to look to on how to best serve its citizens in healthcare. We had an opportunity and Brownback denied us that opportunity.

We could have helped shape healthcare reform but Brownback denied us that.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm very glad to see that you, unlike way too many people in this country, are interested in learning more, and modifying your views based on more information.

We need more of that, and much less strict adherence to ideologies regardless of facts/evidence.

Jimo 3 years, 9 months ago

No, the Bush tax cuts are what we borrow money to cover. I hope you're using your $10 tax cut as a downpayment on one of those Chinese language tapes - you're going to need it.

Brock Masters 3 years, 9 months ago

Bush tax cuts are gone - they are Obama tax cuts now as they would have expired, but were extended under Obama.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes.

But didn't the Republicans hold unemployment benefits hostage to that extension?

Jimo 3 years, 9 months ago

Well, after a gun was put to the heads of the hostages.

The implicit premise of your statement is that these tax cuts are harmful, but now that, through some process of transubstantiation, they become "Obama" cuts, they're suddenly bad.

That's a rather stunning level of cynical partisan nihilism - you were for the Evil tax cuts before you were against them.

TopJayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Fred...........+++1

We whine about the deficet, then take all we can from Washington....

Now that is hypocritical.

Zac Hamlin 3 years, 9 months ago

I am afraid you are looking at this the wrong way. This was not "free" money as you so ignorantly stated. The money was a grant, an investment from the federal government into the ingenuity of Kansas. It also was an opportunity to lead, an opportunity that Mr. Brownback said no thanks to.

I believe this decision not only speaks to short-sightedness (which we have plenty of other examples of from this administration), but it also calls into question Mr. Brownback's faith in Kansans to find innovative solutions. It is so sorrowful because it is exactly this type of innovative thinking that offers us, Kansans and Americans, our best chance to reform our economy and embrace the future.

This was a poor choice.

Victor Dawson 3 years, 9 months ago

Good job Fred! Makes a lot of sense! Oh, hold on . . . I pay federal taxes. Why shouldn't KS get some money back to help build a system we are going to have to deal with anyway. It will cost us more in the long term, and would have given the Gov. a real claim that he was creating jobs. BTW, it's not "free" it's our taxpaying dollars! Have a nice day Freddy!

guesswho 3 years, 9 months ago

I doubt this money will be returned to the taxpayers; other states will probably be eligible for it so it does not save money!

madcow 3 years, 9 months ago

Exactly. The money is going to be spent somewhere, might as well create Kansas jobs with it.

think_about_it 3 years, 9 months ago

Yeah! It's just like the looters in GB. Why not steal the sneakers and the smokes? Somebody else is just going to take them anyway!

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

Well, if the idea is to save tax dollars, simply allowing them to go to another state doesn't do that, does it?

think_about_it 3 years, 9 months ago

Do I need to define principles for you jafs? If the first state doesn't take a stand then no one will. Good job Kansas.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

What's the principle there? Instead of getting federal tax dollars for a new federally mandated program, we're going to use local tax dollars instead?

Sort of similar to the way in which our local government is going to pay to keep the local SRS office open?

While the state pays the same amount of money, if not more, for new administrative positions, etc.?

think_about_it 3 years, 9 months ago

Sorry jafs, you are missing the bigger picture here. There is not going to be a federally mandated program here. If we take this blood money now then we will be hypocrites when we tell Obama to suck it.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

This administration already has it's share of hypocrisy - the governor promised to protect education and social service funding while campaigning, and immediately cut them once elected.

He goes on and on about saving money, but isn't actually saving any by not paying for office space, but hiring new administrators instead.

Whether or not the ACA stands is not at all clear to me - it could go either way. But if it does, we'll have to come up with money to meet those requirements.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

You're not "thinking" about anything. You, and anyone who supports Brownback, are shooting Kansans in the foot so you can make ideological statement.

Meantime, the healthcare is by far the most expensive in the world, and not because it's the best in the world. That $31 could have been used to address one of the largest single reasons we're broke.

But thank gawd your precious ideology has been expressed (albeit quite idiotically.)

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

OK, typing too fast. Same post with corrections.

You're not "thinking" about anything. You, and anyone who supports Brownback, are shooting Kansans in the foot so you can make an ideological statement.

Meantime, the healthcare system in this country is by far the most expensive in the world, and not because it's the best in the world. That $31 million could have been used to address one of the largest single reasons we're broke.

But thank gawd your precious ideology has been expressed (albeit quite idiotically.)

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

Very funny!.. Brownback is one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen!!!

think_about_it 3 years, 9 months ago

Unprincipled people do not understand why the governor returned this money. Normal Kansans do. Thanks Sam.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

A couple of problems:

The money will almost certainly be given to another state, not returned to taxpayers.

If the ACA stands, we'll have to develop that infrastructure anyway - how do you think we'll pay for it?

Gedanken 3 years, 9 months ago

I hope those principles keep you warm at night.

Hooligan_016 3 years, 9 months ago

Principles in one hand and cash in the other ... tell me which fills up faster.

(Actually, the same is true for election campaigns, ha)

CrackpipeCardozo 3 years, 9 months ago

That's not near a response to the question asked.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

So Kansas will refuse all federal grants from now on? This will include disaster aid and the like? Sounds good to me. Let's get this party started! Don't you accept one more dime from the Feds, Sham!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

We understand the principle quite well-- free airtime for Sam on Fox News for a couple of days.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

Let's see if Sham stands by his principles, and rejects all money granted to us from the Feds. No disaster aid for the farmers in the southwest who's corn crop failed for lack of moisture. No highway funding. Nothing from the Feds. Go Sham, go!

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

No true Scotsman would think you came anywhere close to make a point there, skippy.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Hmmmm.

About the only comment I can come up with right now is those who are currently healthy best learn and practice how to stay that way! Those who are living a life style contributing to diabeties and cancer best get their gluteus maximus' up off the couch and in gear to start eating right, quit smoking and exercise because we are going back to the days when people are responsible for taking care of themselves.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

I guess it also means those that were exposed to mill dust, coal dust, asbestos, nuclear radiation and industrial waste over the course of their lives are also SOL, huh? And those with genetic propensities for breast cancer, testicular cancer and other types of cancer and children born with congenital defects (since we're going to force their mothers to birth them and even refuse doctors the ability to declare them "unviable") are just so much refuse to be thrown out with the trash. I getcha.

pinecreek 3 years, 9 months ago

If they don't have insurance...yeah, they're SOL.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

cait, please don't read something into my comments that's not there.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm sorry, kernal, I'm just trying to point out that simplistic thinking leads to throwing out the baby with the bath water,

whats_going_on 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't think kernal meant to disregard those issues in the statement. Maybe, but didn't sound like it

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, that blaming the victim mentality goes over well. pops popcorn

Danielle Brunin 3 years, 9 months ago

I feel so fortunate to live in such a wealthy state that has the resources to turn down federal grant money due to the excess money we have in our state budget. We are really blessed! God Bless Sam too! Wait, I live in Kansas! Damn it! Never mind.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

This man turned away tax dollars coming back to to the taxpayers.

Brownback visions of turning Kansas government over to Private industry the most reliable source of fraud. He supports criminal activity.

Brownback,Koch family ,Wal-Mart family money want to privatize these state services and public schools.

While they despise paying taxes they love the thought of billions in tax dollars creating a nice profit margin for their wallets.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/secretive_corporate_legislative_group_alec_holds

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/new_expos_tracks_alec_private_prison

Included in their process is reducing wages across the board = blue and white collars working for less pay while Walton's and Koch's increase their wealth.

How many here want to make less money for their hard labor?

newmedia 3 years, 9 months ago

Looks like somebody just poked a stick in the eye of Obamacare.

meggers 3 years, 9 months ago

Looks to me like somebody just poked a stick in the eye of Kansas.

SpicePirate 3 years, 9 months ago

Meggers is right. The law is the law. There is no stick poking in the feds direction. The Fed won't give a hoot how BrownHack wants to brown-nose his Tea-Party fan base. The state, and the state alone, will suffer the financial backlash.

SpicePirate 3 years, 9 months ago

He's actually NOT an evangelical. He is a Roman Catholic. Or, says he is. I know several people that voted for him purely for that reason. Others for that and his pro-life stance. I didn't. Funny that he claims to be pro-life, but has done more to endanger life than save it.

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

The two are not mutually exclusive, as Roman Catholics can be evangelical. But in Sam's case, he is both an RC and a member of the nondenominational evangelical Topeka Bible Church. Got all his bases covered.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

He'd convert to Scientology if it meant he could get some campaign money.

TopJayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

You are right there. I don't like the guy for that reason. Whatever way the divine winds are blowing, youl'' find ol' Sam.

SpicePirate 3 years, 9 months ago

But beyond that, I think you're right on target.

C.D. Henning 3 years, 9 months ago

Remember. He has been called "God's Senator" while lodging with the family.

lawslady 3 years, 9 months ago

Frankie has it correct, in my opinion. EVERYTHING Sam does (EVERYTHING) is a move towards the White House. Period. He (perhaps correctly) read the winds years ago, and concluded that the Christian conservative movement was the wave that would carry him to that goal. Everything he does and has done and will do is not so much about personal beliefs, but rather about his desire to be President. Everything he does not do, or refuses to do, is based up what he thinks will best win over the voting block he believes will help him achieve that goal. Count on it.

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

And he's just guaranteed that he will never get anywhere near the White House---fortunately for the rest of the country, but so unfortunately for Kansas.

This is how it feels to be on the losing side of a failed experiment.

Glenn Reed 3 years, 9 months ago

... ... ... Wow... my brain broke. I gotta get the pieces together before I respond... ... ... ... Okay... here I go...

We, as a state, are going to be doing something whether we like it or not. Right?

If we do it now, we get money to do it, and greater say on how. Right?

If we do it later, we have to pay for it, and we get no say on how. Right?

As far as the argument that it "helps" the federal government, it doesn't really. It'll benefit another state, because they'll get the money.

Our federal taxes will pay for another state to be an "early innovator."

So... we're giving back the money? ... ... ...

Gack, brain's broken. ><

cowboy 3 years, 9 months ago

Governors Office 300 SW 10th Ave # 212S Topeka, KS 66612-1504 (785) 296-3232

Call this sorry excuse for a governor and let him know how you feel .

Brownback needs to explain why he will not uphold the laws/acts of the United States by sabotaging the implementation of the Health Care Reform Act. He does not have the liberty to decide which laws to enforce or which acts to comply with based on his pinhead religious and economic illiteracy.

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

I have to calm down first or I might say something that I would regret.

Next I expect our beloved governor to start using law enforcement to keep us malcontents in line.

Wait for it.

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

He'll have to after the rioting starts.

Pastor_Bedtime 3 years, 9 months ago

Will Sam also be returning all the farm subsidies he and his family receives?

cowboy 3 years, 9 months ago

Will he return the upcoming drought subsidies ?

grammaddy 3 years, 9 months ago

And he did this because Kansas has an over- abundance of medically insured people? I read today that health care costs are actually declining due to the Health Care Reform Act. Just another GOTP pinhead out to destroy any good Obama does.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't doubt what you say. But, do you have a link to that information? I had heard something similar...but have yet to read any legitimate information in that regard.

deskboy04 3 years, 9 months ago

This is ridiculous. Who voted for him?

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Well y'know, Krazy Khobach swears there's voter fraud in this fine state.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

Aw heck, let's just secede from the United States of America. What do ya think, Sham?

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

He can be veep of the United States of Texakansas with prez Perry.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

And y'know, Oklahoma would have no problem going along with it. Then it would be Texokansas.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually, add Arkansas into that little mix; Texoarkansas.

SpicePirate 3 years, 9 months ago

I just don't get it!

Tasked with cutting state costs, that fool does THIS?! The health care reform law is just that... A FLIPPING LAW!!! He can't ignore it by POSTURING. Making himself out to be the humble servant that only wants to do right. He's done more WRONG in that vein than I can scarcely believe! Now, not only will we be stuck with whatever uniform model the feds come up with, we'll have to foot the entire cost of setting up this, REQUIRED, system.

I'm beginning to wonder if he actually wants to be martyred. Not a great thought, but it's anyone's guess just how far he can push the people of this state before SOMEbody responds in the wrong way. How is he not smart enough to see that threat? Or does he?

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

I've wondered when the rioting would start. I doubt he'd be assassinated, but riots were par for the course during the Depression. It's really only a matter of time.

jnixon 3 years, 9 months ago

Wonder what Sebelius is thinking right about now?

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

The phrase "government takeover of health care" won the dubious honor of "Lie of the Year" from a well known fact checking organization.

Joseph Jarvis 3 years, 9 months ago

@rockchalk1977: Why do you consider HCR unconstitutional?

P.S. The power hungry woman jab is a cheap shot.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

The constitutional issue with the Affordable Care Act is whether the federal government has the right to mandate individual purchases of health insurance, based on a very broad interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

Kim Murphree 3 years, 9 months ago

We are being sacrificed for Brownback's ambition to be President...he gave away $$$ that would have helped those who need it most. His term is going to continue to be miserable for most of us.

skinny 3 years, 9 months ago

If you want health insurance go get a job that has health insurance or buy it. Everybody wanting something for nothing! Who do you think is going to pay for this so called FREE health insurance! Wake up people, the government is going broke because of knuckle heads like you all!

Orwell 3 years, 9 months ago

Your simplistic bumper-sticker argument misses the point. Kansas taxpayers will now pay for health care spending in other states. in Poland this is known as "p***ing in the soup."

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

Could it be that the country is going bust because we insist on spending more on the military than all other country's of the world combined? Could it be that we're going broke because we lowered taxes corporations and the richest of the rich? Nope...it's because everybody wants something for nothing. Why is it that all of the AAA rated country's of the world have socialized medicine for their people? When will they be going broke?

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

Or are we going broke because of being lied into a war without end against a fictitious enemy? Or are we going broke because of the failed War on Drugs?

hedshrinker 3 years, 9 months ago

Fewer and fewer employers offer any kind of health ins; I lost a job with ins benefits years ago b/c of health issues and currently pay $900 a month for catastrophic only high deductible single private insurance out of my meager self employment income. Few people can afford that. Health reform doesnt create FREE health insurance anymore than Medicare does. People pay monthly premiums and copays for most services. Nobody is asking for something for nothing.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

Did it take special training to become as ignorant as you, richard, or does it just come naturally?

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes, we wouldn't want to lose the distinction of spending more for health care than any other country in the entire world.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Richard, I can only assume you work for a government entity, or large corporation, so your proportionate share of your insurance premiums are low. Or, perhaps you're have been on Medicare a while and don't realize how much health insurance premiums have sky rocketed the past ten years.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

/sigh This ranks up there with Sarah Palin's "death panels".

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't there a story on the front page of the paper this morning about federal funds?

Aren't those federal funds being thrown at "eco devo" opportunities and stolen from energy efficiency loans because there is a risk the feds will take the money back?

Interesting.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Those "eco devo" projects are being "developed" by large corporations. It's been turned into another form of "corporate welfare".

Katie Dennis 3 years, 9 months ago

HEY BROWNBACK! I NEED health insurance! I work for a local business. Forty hours a week, full time! I can't get private insurance, it's too expensive. Does the GOP think I'm trying to mooch off the government by asking for some sort of government health care option that I'd gladly pay for?! There are so many of us out there who can't afford private insurance and it's not provided for us by our employers. I'd go get a job where that was the case, but employers are cutting costs by hiring more part time and less full time employees to avoid paying benefits. You can work hard and still be uninsured. I feel like the GOP villainizes those who ask for a government health care option on the basis that we're all looking for handouts.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

Can a governor return these funds and decide not to participate in the program without consulting members of the Kansas legislature?

RINO's have little respect for laws,constitutions,bill of rights or our tax dollars.

kuthruandthru 3 years, 9 months ago

I hope when the time for re-election comes everyone who has commented remembers these decisions and gives of their time, money, and energy to ensure we have...someone, anyone else.

cowboy 3 years, 9 months ago

You have so little understanding of the issue you should request your own comment be removed ! If you're one of those pre existing folks like me you cannot go buy insurance , they turn you down . I have an easily controlled heartbeat issue , costs me about $2000 out of pocket a year to medicate and have a couple office visits and lab tests. I'd ask any "healthy" person to compare your actual costs . I wouldn't even hit the deductible on most of today's plans but I'm a high risk ? Now I can go in a high risk pool and pay out the a$$ for a relatively crappy policy. In 2014 the insurance companies are not going to be able to exclude us. That's why they want repeal. The exchange would be a great clearing house to be able to locate and get multiple quotes for a variety of programs. What is so wrong with that ?

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

Actually, I thought that not being denied due to a pre-existing condition kicked in much more quickly than that, perhaps already.

Are you sure you can't get insurance now?

meggers 3 years, 9 months ago

I think that only applies to children at this point. It doesn't take effect for adults until 2014, I believe.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

Sam Brownback the RINO has plans to unseat any republican that challenges his decisions. The same process RINO's used in D.C to remove a large number of republicans from the republican party.

Koch and Walton/Wal-Mart money will be available for the killing process. Speculation tells me new candidates have been approached. Who knows maybe some candidates will be imported?

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 9 months ago

I enjoy your repeated and clearly ill-informed use of the term RHINO. Huzzah!

overthemoon 3 years, 9 months ago

The brief mention of ALEC deserves more attention. I hope Mr. Rothschild will examine the impact and control that group has on state and federal legislation...and what its costing us as the corporate members of the group craft bills that directly benefit their bottom line without regard to the wishes or best interests of American citizens.

hedshrinker 3 years, 9 months ago

YES, thank you for bringing this up....no accident this came up after many of our legislators returned fr State financed mtg of ALEC spoon feeding them how to do whatever it takes to defeat the President.......totally outrageous, how to use conservative ,jingoistic rhetoric to manipulate the citizenry to vote against their own best interests...makes me SO upset people can't see past this completely cynical transparent political manipulation.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

http://pressreleases.kcstar.com/?q=node/64893

"Governor Brownback has proclaimed August 7 - 13 as Primary Care Safety Net Clinic Week. Wyandotte/Johnson Safety Net Coalition is pleased to promote Primary Care Safety Net Clinic Week 2011 as part of a weeklong campaign to raise awareness about the mission and accomplishments of Kansas clinics that provide a “safety net” for the most vulnerable Kansans – those who are uninsured and under-insured. "

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 9 months ago

I believe the money was returned as part of the republicrat's efforts to see that the new healthcare plan fails.

chootspa 3 years, 9 months ago

How's that violating federal law thing usually work out?

theoljhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Conservatives probably won't need any help to fail the health care plan. One question. Have you read the health care plan yet? All the democritics in congress hadn't read it either when the voted to spend the $$$$. Stupid is as Stupid does! Gimmee gimmee! I want my share! When does it stop?

notanota 3 years, 9 months ago

Have you read the Patriot Act? How about NCLB? I hear those are light reading, since they were passed under Republican majorities, and we all know how they only pass legislation that is short enough to fit onto a cocktail napkin.

Bob Forer 3 years, 9 months ago

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fastwalker 3 years, 9 months ago

we'll see. given the overall political landscape of the state of kansas, i think it's more than likely that he'll be given a second term.

Scruggsy 3 years, 9 months ago

The fool loves power so much, I am really starting to think he is going to have Kansas secede from the union and become the Holy Kingdom of Brownbackistan...

I agree with the previous opinions that all he cares about is cultivating his image for a run at president. He couldn't care less about the lowly, unwashed mass of Kansas taxpayers and working class.

Bob Forer 3 years, 9 months ago

Praeger, a former state senator from Lawrence, said making affordable health care available shouldn’t be consumed in partisan politics. “It’s about doing the right thing,” she said.

Good for you Sandy. Continue to stay above the fray and do the right thing. You are the only Republican I have ever voted for. You will continue to have my support.

1983Hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm sure all the pliant right-wing tools on here cheering brownie on for being so "principled" on fiscal matters were falling all over themselves volunteering to pay extra taxes while they were jingoistically waving their flags and cheering on both of Dubya's misplaced wars.

1983Hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

An astonishing display of political self-aggrandizement in a hilariously transparent display to curry favor with Rick Perry and get on the ticket. Refusing $31.5 in federal money after closing an SRS office while citing a need to save 400k. What an abject disgrace!

Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

Brownback is ........

  1. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers under Bush/Cheney sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many trillions. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  2. 3 financial institutions were at risk why $700 billion of bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

Tax cuts that do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

I'd say Brownback is bogus!

Flap Doodle 3 years, 9 months ago

merrill, we all know how much you miss President Bush. He's been out of office for a couple of years now. At some point you just have to go on with your life.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Snap, your kneejerk reactions to Merrill's link postings are just exactly what he's going for. Keep it up, Bubba. You go hand in hand.

tomatogrower 3 years, 9 months ago

What a moron. Is he going to pay for poor Kansan's health costs? Is he going to require employees to offer health insurance? Will his "faith based" initiatives pay? Will the Kochs pay? No to all of the above, except the moron part. They just want the poor and invalid to go away and die, so they don't have to be bothered. Brownback is a good example of a faux Christian.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

"Will his "faith based" initiatives pay?" Maybe. But they have to consult their Bible's first. They don't need no stinkin' department regs.

CHEEZIT 3 years, 9 months ago

A relative of mine works in the Insurance office of the state. One of her jobs since Barack developed the health care reform was to research the package. Isn't it like 1200- 1400 pages? Well she did that job and did it very well. She was asked to go on GMA but declined. She is frequently asked by major insurance companies to speak on the subject. Clearly she understands it better than most politicians including Mr. Brownback. Well today he found her position to be unnecessary and it was eliminated. She will be fine that is not the point. I guess my point is I didn't like the guy when he was elected, looked shady, and every day he proves my intuition correct!

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Now that she no longer has to be concerned about a conflict with her job by going on GMA, maybe she should seize the moment. Might help her get a new job!

1983Hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Interesting story about your relative, cheezit. Looks like the state is going to refuse to comply with a federal law we don't agree with, so no expertise is required. After all, a similar approach worked out real well for Arkansas in 1956.

Orwell 3 years, 9 months ago

To say nothing of South Carolina in 1861.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Statements of various politicians as to why the grant was declined or why we should have taken it are a bit vague. What language in the grant is so objectional to KS Repubs?

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Nevermind, I found the information elsewhere.

kernal 3 years, 9 months ago

Because of their short term memory problems which they've consistently been displaying.

jayhawxrok 3 years, 9 months ago

Brownback is a jerk - he cares nothing about Kansas or Kansans, we're just pawns in his little far right quest to turn the clock back 150 years or more. He'll give charity to big insurance co's and big pharms like a dutiful little Republican hell bent on corporate welfare at the expense of the citizenry.

He's a disaster.

usnsnp 3 years, 9 months ago

All that is happining is that the people of Kansas will get to pay more taxes when they do not have too. Bronback is banking on the health care law be defeated in the Supreme Court. So if it is not, it will mean the Kansas will have to pay for doing the work the 31 million dollars whould have done, and by then the work will probably cost 50 Million.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

Another funny thought - one of the arguments/criticisms that the right often threw around about the health care reform bill was "If it's so great, why doesn't Congress have the same plan"?

Well, the fact is that Congress purchases their health insurance through exchanges just like this one.

And, yet,...

farr700 3 years, 9 months ago

Great job, Sam! I don't want money from a broke government. Nothing is free, and strings are certainly attached! Take it's handouts, and you will progressively depend upon a larger, more controlling government.

meggers 3 years, 9 months ago

Reality check- we're going to have to implement the health care exchanges, anyway. Sam just threw away 31.5 million dollars in start-up money, meaning that Kansans will need to cough up the millions necessary to get the exchanges up and running. If you think that is smart, I have a bridge to sell you- dirt cheap.

jayhawklawrence 3 years, 9 months ago

Do you suppose Sam has signed a pledge with ALEC?

Pledges seem to be very popular with republicans these days.

Centerville 3 years, 9 months ago

"designed to allow Kansans to get the best insurance coverage possible." Scott has really outdone himself with that one.

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

I got up this morning and very carefully composed a letter to Governor Brownback, trying to be as respectful as I could under the circumstances. Then when I went to the State of Kansas website to send the email, it wanted me to set up a special account. When I tried, it refused and said this might cost me $$.

Brownback's own site it still "Updates in Process." How long has that been going on?

Is there another way to email the governor? Snail mail takes too long and I want my message in writing.

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

What is his email address? The site doesn't give it.

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

Thanks! I'll try that.

I also just signed a petition from the Kansas Democratic Party---it's on their website.

Frightwig 3 years, 9 months ago

I understand Brownback's reluctance to commit to a questionable health plan that few people know much about. But the question must be asked, "What's your solution, Sam?" if Kansas is choosing to go rogue, I suggest that we take a look at Vermont's proposed single-payer plan. It, too, has some unanswered questions but it's more than any plan Sam has on the table.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 9 months ago

The irony here is that the $31 million would have financed Sam in coming up with his own plan.

But that may be why he turned it down-- much easier to throw up his hands and give up than to have to do the hard work of actually governing. That wouldn't have gotten him 10 minutes on Fox News.

notanota 3 years, 9 months ago

I'd be fine with the Mass plan enacted by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Oh yeah, we renamed it "Obama Care."

In all seriousness, a single payer would rock, but it isn't ever going to happen under poor-people-deserve-to-get-sick-because-Jesus-doesn't-love-them-enough-Brownback's watch.

bangaranggerg 3 years, 9 months ago

You know what I'd like: a politician who did care if people died because of their ambition, and then acted accordingly to what was best for the greater good. We don't have to see eye to eye on everything, just don't be the worst possible human being. If Obama is a democrat and Brownback is a republican, then I guess I'm not a republican anymore.

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

bang.... glad you finally saw enough red to turn blue!!

Scott Tichenor 3 years, 9 months ago

No need to hold your arms out in the picture on the front page, Sam. You're not Jesus, although it's clear you think you are.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Anybody else notice how much Brownbat likes to affect the "crucifixion" pose in his photo ops?

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

I also noticed it... threw up in my mouth a little too!! (((gagging)))

Chris Golledge 3 years, 9 months ago

Principles...

Here's a principle for you:
How about, since we collectively agree that hospitals can't turn away people in need of treatment, that we also collectively agree to pay for it. Because without general health insurance coverage, those who choose not to buy, or can't afford, health insurance are getting a free ride from taxpayers and those who can afford insurance.

Someone is going to pay for it when someone get cancer or has a major accident; it might as well be a cost that is better distributed across the population.

"I believe the money was returned as part of the republicrat's efforts to see that the new healthcare plan fails." Yes, that should be obvious. Maybe the idea that, if Kansas accepts the money, he'll be at a disadvantage when saying that the plan is wrong, is one of the unnamed "strings".

whats_going_on 3 years, 9 months ago

call me unpatriotic, an a$$, whatever, but I really really dislike this state, and this country for that matter (or at least, most of the people in it and the way we seem to be headed). Good lord.

heygary 3 years, 9 months ago

I found it despicable that Obamacare impacts did not kick in until after the 2012 elections ... I find it even more despicable that he is using more taxpayer money to attempt to secure a foothold so that the new congress and the Supreme Court can not easily dismantle his legacy project!

Kim Murphree 3 years, 9 months ago

I find it despicable that you would find President Obama's initiative despicable. I find it despicable that prior to this president trying to tackle healthcare reform, you and your friends thought it was ok for old and poor citizens of this country to choose between food and medicine. I find it despicable that you and your friends believe that only the rich should be able to recieve medical treatment and that the rest should just die. I find it despicable that you and your friends have little to do with solving the problems faced by most in this country.

Kim Murphree 3 years, 9 months ago

This man has no morals at all. Shame shame shame on you, Governor...and shame on all of you who voted him into office.

blindrabbit 3 years, 9 months ago

Lead in photograph of Not-so-smilin-Sam doing his interpretational pose of John Steuart Curry's "John Brown". Problem is, unlike John Brown, Brownback does not give a damn about the less fortunate souls in Brownbackistan.

Alexander Smith 3 years, 9 months ago

Once again a Republican has screwed us over. There are jobs and life blood being offered to the KS economy but because of ding bat Gov, we lost it. All to feed his ego at the sacrifice of benefit to the those who need it.

They need to strip all these politicians of their funds and let them live a the level of those who they want to cut programs and funds for. Make them see and suffer like they are.

Eitherway, the GOP is hosed in 2012. THey have accomplished nothing, ticked off the public for their stupidity on failing to raise taxes..but YET not cut anything that supports big business and the rich.

Enjoy your term Brownbeck.. your history in the next election as well as your GOP fruitcakes.

luckysgirl 3 years, 9 months ago

Brownback is an idiot, and that's using polite language. Who voted for this bozo? Becoming the govenator has magnified behaviors that were there when he was a senator. He hasn't changed.

The picture says it all. Unbelievable!

He's doing some serious damage to Kansas and her citizens. I, for one, plan to actively campaign against him in the upcoming elections. I'd like to see him buried in a 'landslide' !

evilpenguin 3 years, 9 months ago

I wonder when Sam Brownback will actually start asking Kansans what they want, representing Kansas and doing his God damn job!

blindrabbit 3 years, 9 months ago

luckygirl: Rightwing Kansans voted for Smilin Sam and should have known what his agenda is/was. Several books and articles provided the evidence if people would have taken the time to find out his true colors: Among them!

Rolling Stone 2005 article: "God's Senator: Who would Jesus Vote For!" Frank Thomas' book 2004, "What's the Matter With Kansas" Jeff Sharlet's book, "The Family", with chapter "God's Senator: Sam Brownback"

I'm a lifelong Rebub., but had the sense to not vote for him!

Maracas 3 years, 9 months ago

He looked a gift horse in the mouth.

jayhawklawrence 3 years, 9 months ago

For people who are frustrated that Brownback is not accessible, that he is shielded by his handlers and his right wing disciples, just look at his picture.

That thousand mile vacant stare says it all.

The guy is insane.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 9 months ago

"There is much uncertainty surrounding the ability of the federal government to meet its already budgeted future spending obligations." This is a lie pure and simple!

It might be time to ask why people vote RINO as in Brownback,Cheney and the name Bush instead of republicans as in Nancy Kassebaum and Dwight D. Eisenhower.

This is the crap that Brownback has supported as an elected offical in Washington D.C.

20 years of this nonsense under Reagan/Bush.Bush/Quale and Bush/Cheney which Brownback brings to Kansas as his agenda:

  1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

  2. The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist(Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion) http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  3. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers under Bush/Cheney sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many trillions. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  4. 3 financial institutions were at risk so why $700 billion of bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

And that tax cuts do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

blindrabbit 3 years, 9 months ago

As a progressive republican (they really do exist), I'd like to know what the rest of Kansas (outside Lawrence) now thinks about electing Smilin Sam. Hopefully, many Kansans who voted for him are beginning to see the light about this loon, but I have my doubts! Any evidence appreciated!

Sam was able to hide when he was in Washington; but now the bright light of truth is unveiling him.

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

I only pray that it is bright enough to shine into the closed minds of his blinded followers!

jayhawxrok 3 years, 9 months ago

Brownback is a disgrace!

Uninsured Kansans die every day and this lunatic doesn't give one tinker's damn about them. I'm sure we can expect some lame voucher program that has no coverage, high premiums and enables the insurance co's to cancel coverage when a person gets sick.

This is an outrage, what a giant dolt you are, Brownback, just when I thought you couldn't get dumber than your lame squeaky voice pretending to be a stem cell, you go and sell out the people of this state with your every action.

JERK!

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

From Kansans against Brownback on facebook: Brownback did what?? | Kansas Democratic Party (scroll down a little on the page to get to the petition) www.kansasdems.org -- a link to a petition about the $31.5 million!.. also a place to give Browncrack a piece of your mind! Here is what I said: Mr. Brownback:.. This was a huge opportunity for the state of Kansas to help build from the ground up on the restructuring of health care. You, with no prior discussion, as usual, took it upon yourself to deny Kansans this opportunity in the name of your partisan political agenda. I am dismayed at this, as well as many other decisions made by ... cont ....

Lana Christie-Hayes 3 years, 9 months ago

made by your administration and your so called "faith based initiatives". Your policies are so far from being truly Christian in nature that it astounds and appalls me! In addition your administration continues to spen...d much of the taxpayers money to hire high dollar cronies that are totally unnecessary, while cutting services to the needy and most vulnerable of our great state. This latest "personal" decision, (and that's exactly what it is..personal) is just another one of your very selfish ways of so called governing. In my opinion, your actions seem more to be about your own agenda than by those you are suppose to serve. Being a Christian myself, I can only say, shame on you Mr. Brownback!!!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 9 months ago

This is what you get from the Republican Terrorist governer. Are you proud of yourselves? Are you happy that money that was taken from we citizens at the point of a gun and then redistributed back has been returned by this incompetant idiot?? Does this make you glad? Are you eagerly awaiting the appearance of your governer on the Rush Limbaugh show??

verity 3 years, 9 months ago

I posted this above in a reply, but will post it again. The Kansas Democratic Party has a petition you can sign on their website with a place for sending Brownback a message. May not change anything, but at least he knows we are watching him and are aware of the things he is doing to destroy our state.

www.kansasdems.org

Doug Fisher 3 years, 9 months ago

^Hopefully, your sarcastic or just plain lunacy to think SB would even come within a million miles of winning the presidential election. Rick Perry stands a better chance than the crackpot governor you have in KS.

tbaker 3 years, 9 months ago

Consider for a moment the law taking money from you that you worked for and earned, and giving it to someone else it doesn't belong to, and then test to see if the law permits you to do the same thing without committing a crime. This is called plunder folks, pure and simple. When someone objects to a thing being done by government, the liberal moon bats on this blog think they object to its being done at all. When we object to government-ran healthcare, the moon bats cry that we are opposed to people having any healthcare. They would claim we were opposed to people eating if we disapproved of government-ran farms. Nothing could be farther from the truth of course, but employing this intellectual fallacy is the only club they have left in the bag. The simple fact is the government could have done any number of things to achieve the healthcare goals we all want to see without spending a penny of tax money - and they chose not to. They chose plunder (Obamacare) instead, and I for one am glad the governor objects to it. People in Kansas have no more claim to that money than someone from Rhode Island does.

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

I'd like to see what we could have done to achieve our health care goals without spending a penny, please.

tbaker 3 years, 9 months ago

  1. Deregulate state health insurance commissions which (in many cases) oversee monopolies which severely limit who can sell health insurance , and severely limit what can or has to be sold. For example, a state may mandate that any health policy sold must cover well-baby care, pregnancy testing, high school physicals, etc. A lot of people don't want / need this stuff. People should be able to pick and chose what they want (Cafeteria Plan) like congress gets. (consumer choice improves quality, drives down price)
  2. Allow health insurance companies to sell nation-wide. (competition drives down price)
  3. Allow individuals the exact same tax break for healthcare expenses that business gets. Business gets to deduct the first $1, individuals have to run up $10,000 before they can deduct any healthcare expense. (makes healthcare cheaper if people can deduct the cost from their taxes)
  4. Mandate that all providers of healthcare goods and services (doctors and pharmacies) advertise their prices both in their place of business, and on the internet. (Florida did this two years ago, and now has the cheapest prescription drugs in the country. People will shop / drive down price)
  5. Tort reform (speaks for itself)

jafs 3 years, 9 months ago

  1. Deregulation doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

  2. There is no law preventing that right now, if states agree to it - are you suggesting the federal government mandate that states agree? That's not a very conservative (ie. states' rights) view.

  3. That seems like a good idea, at first glance.

  4. I like that idea a lot.

  5. From what I've read, that wouldn't have much of an effect on costs, but it would limit the ability to hold doctors, etc. accountable, which seems like a bad idea to me.

But, I'm glad that you're thinking of things that might help - we need more of that, and less rhetoric and ideology.

Switzerland mandated that drug companies, etc. be run as non-profit companies, and that seems to have worked pretty well for them.

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