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It’s official: We’re now a Walmart town

January 24, 2010

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Walmart on West Sixth Street near Wakarusa Drive — No. 1 (combined with Walmart on South Iowa)

Walmart on West Sixth Street near Wakarusa Drive — No. 1 (combined with Walmart on South Iowa)

According to newly released data, Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, also was the top single payer of real estate property taxes in all of Douglas County in 2009.

The Wal-Mart Real Estate Business Trust paid $624,956 in real estate property taxes in 2009. For the last two years, Walmart had been the second largest property taxpayer in the county, but the company’s new store at Sixth and Wakarusa pushed the retailer into the top spot.

As the books are closed on 2009, all types of tax tidbits are emerging. Here’s a look:

Top 10 tax-producing properties in 2009

Pine Ridge Plaza shopping center on South Iowa Street — No. 2

Pine Ridge Plaza shopping center on South Iowa Street — No. 2

Serologicals in the East Hills Business Park — No. 3, even though vacant

Serologicals in the East Hills Business Park — No. 3, even though vacant

  1. The Pine Ridge Plaza shopping center on South Iowa Street, which houses Bed Bath & Beyond, World Market and Michael’s: $428,003.
  2. Walmart’s 33rd and Iowa store: $384,135.
  3. The former — and now vacant — Serologicals bioscience manufacturing facility in the East Hills Business Park: $335,817. The company received a tax abatement for the project, but now pays the full property taxes on the building because it no longer is providing jobs in the city.
  4. The Kmart distribution center in northern Lawrence: $347,503.
  5. The Lawrence Medical Plaza and Surgical Center at Sixth and Maine streets: $277,494.
  6. The SuperTarget store on South Iowa Street: $265,605.
  7. The Sauer-Danfoss manufacturing plant in East Hills Business Park: $264,061. The plant is being shut down.
  8. Legends Place apartment complex: $261,646.
  9. Walmart’s Sixth and Wakarusa store: $240,821.
  10. Colony Woods apartment complex: $233,947.

Note: Some large developments — think Meadowbrook Apartments or the ICL plant in North Lawrence — don’t show up on the top 10 list because they are split into multiple parcels for ownership purposes. Westar’s power plant north of Lawrence does not show up because it is valued by state assessors, not the county appraiser’s office.

$1,317.28 per person

In per capita terms, which of course are not how property taxes are assessed, Douglas County governments collected $1,317.28 per person in 2009. That’s down slightly from 2008, when it was $1,317.42. But that’s up from $944.64 per person in 2003.

$119.2 million total (growth rate far below average)

The total amount of property taxes collected in Douglas County — for all governments, ranging from cities to cemetery boards — was $119.2 million compared with $118.3 million in 2008. That’s a growth rate of 0.7 percent, which is way below the historical average.

How far below? Since 2003, property tax collections have grown from $79.02 million to $119.2 million. That’s a growth rate of 50.8 percent, or about 8.5 percent per year.

Residential vs. commercial

In 2009, residential property taxes accounted for 68 percent of all property taxes paid. Commercial property taxes accounted for 26 percent. Economic development leaders have made boosting the county’s commercial tax base a priority. Thus far, results have been slow. In 2003, the commercial tax base accounted for 26 percent of the total. It reached a recent high of 27 percent in 2005.

Equipment law has hurt county

Changes in state law on how business equipment is taxed have hurt the county’s coffers. In 2009, the 10 largest payers of property tax for business equipment paid $17.92 million in taxes. In 2003, which was prior to when the state started exempting new business equipment purchases from taxation, the top 10 paid $24.56 million.

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texburgh 5 years, 4 months ago

"Changes in state law on how business equipment is taxed have hurt the county’s coffers. In 2009, the 10 largest payers of property tax for business equipment paid $17.92 million in taxes. In 2003, which was prior to when the state started exempting new business equipment purchases from taxation, the top 10 paid $24.56 million."

A great example of our failing legislature - this STATE tax cut for corporations cost Douglas County nearly $7 milion; money that could be used to provide better roads, fire and police protection for Douglas County. This is because these wholly owned Koch subsidiaries sitting in Topeka do corporate bidding with no regard on the impact on regular folks.

This was a $7 million cut to Douglas County but remember there are 105 counties in Kansas. In addition the cut dramatically reduced state revenue so that when the recession kicked in, the state was hurt even more and now struggles to find money for schools, the disabled, seniors, public safety, and highways.

The legislature has cut $10 billion in corporate taxes since 1995. That's from data given to (and ignored by most) legislators by their own research staff. And have those corporate tax cuts brought jobs? Not according to a study by the legislative post audit division. Legislators asked the LPA to study economic development spending and tax cuts to see the impact. Look up the study on the LPA website: http://www.accesskansas.org/srv-postaudit/results.do. You'll be disgusted.

And what does this mean for you and me? Less for the state services we depend on and higher local property taxes. That's right, the legislature has been raising our property taxes. When they cut $7 million of corporate taxes from Douglas County, we in Douglas County must either cut our fire and police or road maintenance or raise the only tax the County and City have real control over - residential property.

Isn't it time for Kansans to start voting in their own economic self-interest?

texburgh 5 years, 4 months ago

And, cheeseburger, please advise us as to which entitlement programs are paid out of local property taxes...

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

LJW. Any figures on total sales tax benefit for Lawrence/Douglas County by having Walmart here? Inquiring minds....

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 4 months ago

The information about the tax money taken in from companies like Wal-Mart isn't really worth much unless accompanied by what it costs for government to support their operations. This includes not only utilitiy and street construction and maintenance, but also police and fire protection, and a host of other city and county services.

It would also need to factor in the fact that its low-wage employees need lots of subsidies, as do all workers of low-wages.

labmonkey 5 years, 4 months ago

Wal-Mart has still killed millions of manufacturing jobs in the United States and sent them to China. Most people who shop there obviously don't look at the label when they buy things because there is hardly an American made item to be found there.

labmonkey 5 years, 4 months ago

I can't believe I am agreeing with Bozo....but his post is absolutely correct....and it isn't just Wal-Mart employees. What about all the unemployment and government medical assistance from those who have had their jobs sent to China cost the taxpayer?

I was listening to the radio in the car one day, and Wal-Mart had a commercial advocating government health-care. Of course....they would no longer have to pay their employees the paultry healthcare they do now.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

"This includes not only utilitiy and street construction and maintenance, but also police and fire protection, and a host of other city and county services."

Downtown must really be in the red.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 4 months ago

Outstanding post, Texburgh. The answer to your question is a resounding YES. But this week's Supreme Court decision on corporate political spending means the time within which to act is now limited.

LivedinLawrence4Life 5 years, 4 months ago

I bet The Oread is the largest tax payer next year.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

Since Wal-Mart moved in there now three struggling grocery stores on that corner. People have lost jobs = no net gain in employment.

This article is creating a false impression.

AND the fact that Wal-Mart is NOT attracting new retail is a huge problem. What it is doing is sucking business from Dillons,HY-Vee and the Wal-Mart store at 31st and Iowa = economic displacement = no net gain in economic growth.

What some do not understand that new retail of any sort should NOT suck business from others but stand alone if Lawrence is to realize new economic growth.

Each time the Chamber pushes new retail it is at the same time potentially supporting putting one of its' members in a struggling situation or out of business = anti business.

IF new property taxes were all that Lawrence/Douglas needed we should all be receiving tax rebates at this juncture.

Residential properties are NOT taxed a rate that allows them to pay for themselves. In essence residential does NOT pay in taxes enough for what each unit demands of city/county services. Bedroom communities compound the problem because commuters spend expendable cash in the communities of employment. Each new residential cost all of us money which is why new increases in user fees are laid on us and why the city ask for a sales tax increase to rehab a few roads. Simply put new residential is not paying back the community

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

"NOT sensible growth is draining our pocketbooks and raising our taxes.

NOT sensible growth = Higher Taxes

NOT sensible growth has been rightly blamed for many things: destroying green space, increasing air and water pollution, fracturing our neighborhoods and forcing us to drive gridlocked roads for every chore.

But there is one consequence that usually goes unmentioned - NOT sensible growth is draining our pocketbooks and raising our taxes.

NOT sensible growth is the result of over five decades of subsidies paid for by the American taxpayer. These range from the obvious to the obscure and include big projects-like the billions we spend on new roads as well as smaller ones-like the tax-breaks that encourage businesses to move to the edge of town. We've subsidized

NOT sensible growth at such a basic level for so long, that many people believe the status quo is actually fair and neutral. This is false-what we think of as a level playing field is tilted steeply in favor of NOT sensible development.

How we subsidize:

* building new and wider roads
* building schools on the fringe
* extending sewer and water lines to sprawling development
* extending emergency services to the fringe
* direct pay-outs to developers"

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

America Is Over Stored

This decade's building frenzy produced a bumper crop of new retail space. But the occupants haven't materialized.

The carnage in retail hasn't been this bad since an anarchist bombed Chicago's Haymarket Square in 1886. In January, Liz Claiborne said it would shutter 54 Sigrid Olsen stores by mid-2008; Ann Taylor announced that 117 of its 921 stores would be closed over the next three years, and Talbots axed the Talbots Men's and Talbots Kids concepts and 22 Talbots stores. (Those muffled screams you hear are Connecticut preppies trying to suppress their rage.) Even Starbucks has scaled back its yearlong saturation-bombing campaign.

Blame that exhausted marathon runner, the American consumer. Fueled by cheap credit instead of PowerGel, she looked great at Mile 16, but bonked at Mile 23 and is now crawling to the finish line. Sales fell in December, putting the cap on a miserable Christmas season.

Last week the government reported that retail sales rose 3.9 percent between January 2007 and January 2008. But back out inflation and sales of gasoline, and retail sales fell in real terms in the past year. Clearly, demand is down.

And supply is up. This decade's building frenzy produced a bumper crop of new retail space—from McStrip malls built near new McMansions, to hip new boutiques in the ground floors of hip new Miami condo buildings.

But as is the case with those McMansions and condos, the occupants for new retail space haven't materialized. In the fourth quarter of 2007, the national retail-vacancy rate rose for the 11th straight quarter to 7.5 percent—the highest level since 1996, according to research firm Reis, Inc.

With new projects coming online—34 million square feet of retail space will be completed in 2008—the rate is expected to spike further to 8 percent. In the parlance of the trade, many chains are simply over-stored.

Con't http://www.newsweek.com/id/112762

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 4 months ago

We shop at HyVee, Target, Dillions and WalMart because they all have something or some service we want. It isn't like WalMart gets all my business they just do some things better then the others.

Scott Drummond 5 years, 4 months ago

"We shop at HyVee, Target, Dillions and WalMart because they all have something or some service we want. It isn't like WalMart gets all my business they just do some things better then the others."

Supporting American businesses and their workers isn't one of them. I assume that since you support Walmart by voting with your dollars you don't support them either. Is that your intent?

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

Say NO to boom town economics! 8 years of "boom town" economics led nationally by Bush-Cheney broke the entire national economy. 8 million jobs were lost and millions of foreclosures are on the table with no end in sight. Retailers are downsizing substantially.

Lawrence "boom town" economics has proved no more successful than Bush-Cheney "boom town" economics.

What the Chamber of Commerce could do is support its’ members instead of putting them out of business with the Chambers support of over retailing and sprawl growth. Tax dollar give aways aka Tax incentives give new competition a leg up against existing business people = business unfriendly.

It is time for the Chamber of Commerce to grow up and realize that yes there are only so many retail dollars in this community. Economic displacement is not working.

The Chamber of Commerce needs to admit that downtown is the primary attraction to Lawrence Kansas that could generate a ton more of revenue for Lawrence, Kansas. Therefore it makes dollars and sense that downtown be the primary focus. Downtown should remain the central business district. When visitors come to town they don’t drive to 31st & Iowa or 6th and Wakarusa. They like to shop,eat and drink downtown.

The over built residential situation in Lawrence, Kansas should send the Chamber of Commerce a message. It’s time to remove itself from the home building industry and focus on a long term economy of substance instead of boom town economics which always are lopsided and end abruptly.

The focus on light industrial sites galore is a sign that the boom town mentality is still guiding the Chamber of Commerce,and the city commission . The same cast of players continue to appear. There is nothing on the table that offers substantial proof that warehouses will in fact create additional economic growth for the entire community. It’s time to slow down and implement a real plan for new economic growth.

Bring a solid and substantial economic growth plan to the community and forget boom town economics. Otherwise city/county tax dollars should be withdrawn from the Chamber of Commerce. Instead spend those tax dollars funding an experienced economic growth team in city hall where transparency MIGHT prevail.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

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HootyWho 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm no fan of Walmart,,in fact i don't shop there for groceries, but it seems to me that Dillons and HyVee's parking lots are just as full as they ever were, i don't think Walmart is sucking the life out of these businesses

tomatogrower 5 years, 4 months ago

It's sad that the biggest property tax payer is retail, not manufacturing. WalMart should have to make up the difference for all the manufacturing businesses and good jobs lost so that the granddaughter could pay someone to do all her university work for her. Of course, that university took back her Bachelor's degree. I wonder if they found another university that would let her just buy one instead of earn one. Of course, I just like to pick on poor, little rich people who have earned their money by ruining our economic system, because I'm jealous that I didn't think of it. Not!!!

5 years, 4 months ago

Awesome article. Now how about telling us if the top 50 have PAID their taxes due?

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

For the record the new WalMart is paying hundreds of thousands in additional property taxes, paid for the intersections it uses, doesn't use any more police, fire, or empTy resources than, for instance, the Merc, doesn't sell any foreign produced goods than you can't find in other stores, and provides significant competition to other equally "evil" corporations (Kroger, HyVee, Merc, et. al.) keeping their prices lower and preventing them from price gouging because of market dominance. When I shop there it appears they are less busy than their corporate competitors which means I can get in and out in a jiffy.

Whoever wrote this "article" couldn't be bothered with a by-line? Why, are they embarrassed by their reportage?

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

How about all of the property owners/builders of residential and their property tax bills?

Do builder/property management pay property taxes on empty and/or unsold vacant properties? Retail,residential/light industrial/industrial?

tomatogrower 5 years, 4 months ago

"HootyWho (Anonymous) says… I'm no fan of Walmart,,in fact i don't shop there for groceries, but it seems to me that Dillons and HyVee's parking lots are just as full as they ever were, i don't think Walmart is sucking the life out of these businesses"

Lawrence is a big town that can support many of the same businesses, and has a high population of people who refuse to shop at WalMart, but try going to a little town and counting the grocery stores and other businesses who have gone out of business. In some towns, WalMart is your only choice. If they raise prices, it wouldn't matter, because they have no competition. They have eliminated consumer choice. This is not real capitalism.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years, 4 months ago

Face it, in 100 years (mayabe 50) we will all be speaking Chinese. The great failure of the Western World is to have failed to acqiore an understanding of the Asian mentality and culture. They are devoted, businesslike, sensible, and do not ignore the opportunity to pull the rug out from under the clueless Western "democracies". We have allowed their thrift, work ethics, and focus on life to undermine our frivious and fragmented culture who value popular vehicles and huge televisions over simple economic principles. The asians will dominate us, not with guns and soldiers, but with bigger televisions and cheaper shoes.

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

it is nice to read all these anti-walmart comments here. It shows that people are waking up and starting to realize that Wal-Mart has done nothing more than supplied Chinese manufacturing with a direct pipeline to midwestern economies. I'm still disappointed in Doug for going through with it, but not much can be done about that now. Dillions looks like it is doing great as is HyVee. Actually Merrill, it is the new walmart which is performing poorly. As of now, I hear that their monthly sales goals have never once been met since the opening, all it has done is drain business from the south store. Don't believe me? ask anyone who works there (in management). and for the record: They didn't pay for that dangerous intersection's traffic signals along 6th street-the city had to.

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

alas, if walmart continues to lose sales, it cannot sustain itself. and this is happening big time. notice the blitz of walmart commercials on TV lately? that ought to tell you something. the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

oh, I was surprised by this:

jumpin_catfish (Anonymous) says…

We shop at HyVee, Target, Dillions and WalMart because they all have something or some service we want. It isn't like WalMart gets all my business they just do some things better then the others.

You are free to shop wherever you want. I'm glad that you defend your choices, rather than defending wal-mart.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

a true sign that lawrence is going down hill.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

i work at kmart and there are so many people who come thru my line who say that they do not like and will not shop at walmart anymore... of course, i cannot comment because that would be unprofessional.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

^^^ i know, right? or you'd be a ghost town now.

pace 5 years, 4 months ago

Tax the churches. I don't want to pay their share. Tax the churches.

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

puddleglum (Anonymous) says… "It shows that people are waking up and starting to realize that Wal-Mart has done nothing more than supplied Chinese manufacturing with a direct pipeline to midwestern economies."

Name one item made in China and sold at WalMart that you can't buy at some other retailer in Lawrence?

Sigmund (Anonymous) says… "Whoever wrote this “article” couldn't be bothered with a by-line? Why, are they embarrassed by their reportage?"

Oh lookie! I thought I recognized that one sided anti-Walmart progressive hit-piece style. It is none other than Chad Lawhorn who wrote an article detailing the increase taxes that WalMart paid to the City's coffers which support his progressive agenda and at the same time called Lawrence a "WalMart town." Thanks for finally adding your by-line but it really wasn't necessary, it was obvious. No one does drive by progressive hit pieces better.

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

Very interesting article. It supports my earlier blog on the many times inflation increase in my property tax since we arrived in Lawrence. That kind of increase plays havoc with anyone on a fix or limited increase income. Commerce Department data shows that is most of us. I guess only those with a significant annual increase in income are protected from this impact. Who might that be here in Lawrence? Are they the ones pushing for higher taxes??

Where did all this money go? Have you seen a significant increase in city services? I have not! In addition to these increases, we increased our own sales taxes. We voted to support the T and pay more for road maintenance. Seems to me the city then dropped much of what was budgeted for those services from the city budget. Where did that money go?

We also have a sales tax revenue stream for capital improvements that is nearing the settlement of the original debt. Are we getting that back? No, Mr. Corliss wants to buy a new recreation/physical training/something with it. We already have a large debt and we are increasing it in order to purchase for economic development the facility in way west Lawrence.

Maybe our local lawgivers could do some rationale things 1. Transfer whatever we can from the city budget to the school budget 2. Increase the school budget as much as is appropriate 3. Stop collecting the sales tax no longer required. 4. Do a through review of all the social service funding to make sure we are getting what we are buying. I cannot help but wonder if some of our costs are higher than just giving the needy an income at about the average for Lawrence.

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

Mob,

Is there any real data to support that Wal-Mart is sucking more out than paying or is this just another progressive pipe dream?

Nobody has to shop or work at Wal-Mart. Many shop there because they charge less then other stores (downtown) while offering products needed. Maybe people work there because they have a work ethic and reject our bloated public benefits for not working!

Who is to decide what is a "living wage"? We are already driving business out of town. Let’s arbitrarily raise wages and drive more out. Of course, we can tax the property owners to buy businesses to come here- and the death spiral begins!

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

oneeye_wilbur (Anonymous) says…

merrill talks about how residential does not pay for itself, perhaps, merrill would

merril's argument comes from a fatally flawed study commissioned by our city whose assumptions drove the outcome. There are also many leftie studies on the web that conclude the same by imputing all sorts of costs to property owners that are in fact general costs for everybody. They also include all the social services efforts whether the homeowner benefits or not. They also neglect the costs to run older neighborhoods and identify all sorts of costs associated with public services to the new residential neighborhoods that were required when the old neighborhoods were built. In addition, they impute all sorts of taxes paid by non-property owners that are not anywhere supportable in fact.

It is just another leftie effort to tax property owners more so more can be given to others so as to shift the political system by making a majority dependent on government so they will vote for it to continue.

We are already there in Lawrence

Liberty275 5 years, 4 months ago

"Wal-Mart has still killed millions of manufacturing jobs in the United States and sent them to China."

No, labor unions did that.

james bush 5 years, 4 months ago

Walmart is becoming Great Value merchandizer only and seems to have fewer choices....i'm thinking of moving on to some other retailer. Hope there still are some.

james bush 5 years, 4 months ago

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jumpin_catfish 5 years, 4 months ago

WalMart is here to stay until the liberal losers can put 'em out of business.

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

siggy,

If you are looking for an item that wal-mart sells exclusively, look no further than there tv/electronics section. Almost every single model they carry is dedicated walmart stock. Somebody else may sell a similar item, but the model number and wholesale cost belong to walmart and walmart alone.....wonder how this works?

i agree, though it is possible to buy crunchberries at wal-mart or dillons. One company treats employees with a merry-go-round abandon, while the other has been repeatedly documented to short employees hours, wages, raises, health care, lock employees inside the building during off-hours, oh and something about some giant sexist/racist lawsuit... http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Something+Smells+at+Wal-Mart:+Sex+Discrimination+Charges+Underscore+Stubborn+Anti-Union+Culture+(June+2,+2003)

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

puddleglum (Anonymous) says…"siggy, If you are looking for an item that wal-mart sells exclusively, look no further than there tv/electronics section."

Virtually all LCD and Plasma TV's (including competing brands) are made in but a hand full of overseas factories. All retailers selling those brands are getting their stock from the same factories, whether they be in Korea, China, or Taiwan. No retailer, including WalMart, gets TV's that are "Made in America by Proud to be Union Labor." It is disingenuous to suggest that WalMart is any different from any other retailer just as it is intellectually dishonest of Chad Lawhorn to suggest Lawrence is officially a WalMart town because WalMart pays their higher share of real estate property taxes.

Liberty275 5 years, 4 months ago

"i'm thinking of moving on to some other retailer. Hope there still are some."

There arent many. There's only like 100 within 1000 feet of walmart south.

tomatogrower 5 years, 4 months ago

"Maybe people work there because they have a work ethic and reject our bloated public benefits for not working!"

Many people who work at WalMart also qualify for food stamps, so we are subsidizing the very rich WalMart's payroll. So what would it hurt for WalMart to pay a living wage, and not be as filthy rich? They would still be rich, they're granddaughter would just have to earn her degree, instead of paying someone to do it for her. I wonder what they pay to have someone wipe their behinds? And just think, you make it all possible for them.

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

tomatogrower (Anonymous) says…"Many people who work at WalMart also qualify for food stamps, so we are subsidizing the very rich WalMart's payroll.So what would it hurt for WalMart to pay a living wage, and not be as filthy rich?"

Same can be said for Kroeger, Hy-Vee, the Merc and World Company employees, yet you give them all a pass? Just what does a Walmart heiress need with a degree anyway, nepotism has worked well for the Simons. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2004/jan...

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

no, nobody gets a pass, it is just a fact that the biggest evil gets the brunt of our ire.

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

It's too bad Walmart didn't get to build a larger store at 6th & Wakarusa. Just think of the missing tax dollars for all those years by the City's restrictions to keep them out, plus the over $1 Million dollars the Progressives had the City spend to fight them in court. The City should've been kissing their butts.

I think the expanded Dillon's does more in sales than the Walmart across the street. Their parking lot, by far, always has more cars than the Walmart.

Smart Growth Ruining Our Quality of Life All Hail (the outdated it rolled off the presses) Horizon 2020

Rick Aldrich 5 years, 4 months ago

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BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

I bet most of the businesses that used to be at 6th & Wak would still be open for business if Walmart was allowed to open years ago like they wanted. That and KDOT didn't close off their entrances. A double whammy.

Elitists caused job losses and they should be proud.

Smart Growth Ruined Our Quality of Life All hail (the outdated it rolled off the presses) Horizon 2020.

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

tomatogrower (Anonymous) says…

So do some of our young soldiers.

jafs 5 years, 4 months ago

moderate,

Most of us are on fixed or limited-increase salaries, not just retirees.

madmilker 5 years, 4 months ago

with tis on Wal*Mart's China web page....

"Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement. We recognize that by purchasing quality products, we can generate more job opportunities, support local manufacturing and boost economic development. Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in China is sourced locally. We have established partnerships with nearly 20,000 suppliers in China."

and reading tis paragraph in an article tat Lance Winslow wrote entitled "The Flow of Trade in a Global Economy".....

"Now let us look at Wal-Mart again; you buy a product there, 6% goes to the employees, 10-18% is profit to the company, 25% goes to other costs and 50% goes to re-stock or the cost of goods sold. Of the 50% about 20-25% goes to China, a guess, but you get the point. Now then, how long will it take at 433 Billion dollars at year for China to have all of our money, leaving no money flow for us to circulate? At a 17 Trillion dollar economy less than 40-years minus the 1/6 they buy from us. Some say that if we keep putting money into our economy, it would take forever, but if we do not then eventually all the money flow will go. If China buys our debt then eventually they own us, no need to worry about a war, they are buying America, due in part to our own mismanaged trade, so whose fault is that? Not necessarily China, as they are doing what's in the best interests, and we should make sure that trade is not only free, but fair too."

only tells me tat with having their Global Purcurement Offices in China and only putting 5% foreign in their stores there is not supporting American export nor American jobs.

Jus where do you think America would be today if 95% of the items in a Wal*Mart in America wus made in America and if you come back with tat "America doesn't make cheap stuff" you had better think about tat $9 billion in hidden taxes to all American taxpayers jus to clean the fish from the ballast tanks of ships....and with 15 cargo ships polluting as much as 760 MILLION AUTOMOBILES....think jus how your gonna feel after the turnips in D. C. shove tat CARBON TAX up your @

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

jafs (Anonymous) says… Absolutely, I thought I have written that many times. Only the top 5 to 10 % have seen real increases. Do we have any of those here in Lawrence? Of course, the difference among the 90% may be staying even or losing ground??

Wife was looking for a smaller home and was out on our local reality pages. She tells me the first twenty homes listed were for more than a million. Could this be the top 10 % locally?

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

madmilker (Anonymous) says…

And just who put the jobs off shore?? Are you blaming Wal-Mart for political decisions to compete American Workers with those in China?

I thought NAFTA and other similar trade negotiations were foisted on us by both parties!!

puddleglum 5 years, 3 months ago

barrypenders rumored to be president of c.a.v.e. (citizens against virtually everything):

I bet most of the businesses that used to be at 6th & Wak would still be open for business if Walmart was allowed to open years ago like they wanted. That and KDOT didn't close off their entrances.

like hallmark? taco casa, quizno's, verizon, sprint, cookie store, and uh, hereford house?
it is simple, Walmart is not bringing anyone in to spend money at that horrible intersection. It is impossible to navigate through all of those stoplights and the genius intersection @ marisco's/dragstrip rd/kentucky fried chicken.........it is a destination for people that shop at walmart, and that's about it. Once development to the west of walmart commences...you will see more congruency. Btw-you shouldn't support/defend walmart-they donate mostly to the democratic party and are huge supporters of health care legislation....get it right :) you know what I mean.

beawolf 5 years, 3 months ago

Most of these objections are based on an ignorance of Wal-Mart's actual economic significance. (BTW I don't shop there.) To understand Wal-Mart's economic impact, you must understand the concept of wealth and real income (take Econ 101). Wealth is not the same thing as money. Money is a medium of exchange for wealth. Wal-Mart is responsible for a significant increase in total wealth, and that the greatest beneficiaries of this increase are those with the lowest incomes. An example: if I make $30,000/yr but my cost for goods drops 20%, my nominal income does not change but my real income goes up. The local economy gets a tremendous boost from this income increase as I now have extra dollars to spend elsewhere. You would be hard pressed to find many economists that would argue against this concept.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

"She tells me the first twenty homes listed were for more than a million."

The funny thing is that most of these people believe they can get that much. The trend now is bragging about how small your house is, rather than how big.

bad_dog 5 years, 3 months ago

Moderate:

I'm not sure where your wife got her data, but a search of the local realty (as opposed to reality-or was that intentional irony?) website indicates there were only 11 homes listed at $1 million or more-not 20. Perhaps she used different search criterion-I just chose homes priced at that amount and up.

http://hometownlawrence.com/

monkeyhawk 5 years, 3 months ago

Besides, George, I thought I remembered you posting something like this:

"Happiness is Lawrence in the rear view mirror- as soon as I can get a price anyhing near the county appraisal on my house. Good luck on fooling other retirees."

If you have the chance to get out, I would take it. It is not going to get any better. Lawrence is a microcosm of the DC progressives, and they are dying to get into the old folks' retirement accounts.

George Lippencott 5 years, 3 months ago

monkeyhawk (Anonymous) says…

Well, it turns out to be more complicated. Being on Medicare, not all physicians accept new patients. We may have to stay here to address our maladies!

George Lippencott 5 years, 3 months ago

bad_dog (Anonymous) says…

BD, love to claim it was planned but I just did not proof well - spell check obviously passed it.

She doesn't remember what she used. 20 - 11 - still significant for a town of our size. Or is everyone bailing before the city rips them somemore.

Jon McCleary 5 years, 3 months ago

1.Beawolf is right! It blows me away how some people who frequent this post and claim to be enlightened about many topics have very little common sense. Here is an idea, has anyone ever thought to ask someone who actually works at Walmart what they think. I would bet that some of them are actually thankful to have employment, like their job and work hard without complaining and expecting something for nothing.

This “living wage” argument is stunning. Should a worker at Walmart make 100K per year…or is the number 50K in either case there comes a point where “someone has to pay for the increase”. Who does the increase in cost impact? A detail the “thinkers” on this forum seem to conveniently overlook.

George Lippencott 5 years, 3 months ago

buckeye (Anonymous) says…

Why we pass it on to the cusotmer who then goes to Johnson County for cheaper goods!

Of course we could pass it on to the tax payer and watch property values and population drop like a rock!

bad_dog 5 years, 3 months ago

Agreed, moderate-I did find it humorous, though. As for the number-whatever it is, I think it also reflects the fact that there are an increasing number of those high $ properties in Lawrence-much more so proportionately than in the past. I'll ask a couple of friends in da bidness & see what they think.

George Lippencott 5 years, 3 months ago

monkeyhawk (Anonymous) says…

Besides, George, I thought I remembered you posting something like this:

“Happiness is Lawrence in the rear view mirror- as soon as I can get a price anyhing near the county appraisal on my house. Good luck on fooling other retirees.”

I do not want to leave this hanging.

The vast number of people we have met here in Lawrence are friendly, tolerant, helpful, and more. Great to be around!

LMH and the many physicians and helpers have been fantastic. I do not think we could get better service.

What bothers us are the large tax increases, the systemic manipulative overvaluation of our home for tax purposes, a small political elite who seem to aggravate discord as oppose to trying to minimize it and a small minority who are politically extreme and fixated on punishing their fellow citizens for imaginary transgressions – basically the I want more at your expense mentality!

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