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Hiroshima survivor to speak March 8

February 28, 2009

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A Hiroshima survivor will speak about her experiences March 8 at the Nunemaker Center, 1506 Engel Road.

Sachiko Masuoka was 18 years old when Hiroshima, her home town, was destroyed by an atomic bomb. She lost her brother and her sister in the explosion. Masuoka moved to the United States in 1962. She has been talking about her experiences publicly for only the past couple of years.

Masuoka and translator, Yuki Miyamoto, will speak at 3 p.m. as part of the opening ceremony for a new Hiroshima exhibit at the center. The exhibit will be on display through March 15.

The exhibit is free and open to the public. For more information, visit ecmku.org.

Comments

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

Japan was developing their own atomic weapons at the time. If we didn't use ours they would have used theirs. Get over it, Sachiko, your side lost. If you were 18 at the time you were involved in Japans war effort.

thanksforcoming 5 years, 9 months ago

Wow. madmike that's rediculous. The woman survived an atomic bomb. Now you are going to make sure she doesn't "blame" the U.S. She is a citiizen of the U.S. and I hope you can see the value in somebody else's experiences. FOr lawrence being one of the most liberal towns in Kansas you two are pretty close minded.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

thanks - should I move to Lawrence to post on the LJW?

George_Braziller 5 years, 9 months ago

She is talking about her experience living through a major historic event. Why are you assuming she has any other motive?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

Sounds more like you're interested in mocking whatever she may have to say, HS. But that's OK, we all know that the mass murder of 100,000 people is just a big joke, yuk, yuk.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

hawk - when I get tired of it, it's yours...........

Motivation 5 years, 9 months ago

You are all SICK!! This woman made it through a catastrophic event that lead to the death of her family. She survived and, yes, I'm sure she has a message to say. Let her tell it.

I only wonder what you would do in that situation? Doubt you would be on this forum mocking someone that survived such a tragic event.

The killing of any group of people is horrendous and you should be ashamed of yourselves for posting such horrific comments. I suppose the holocaust never happened in your eyes either, nor Vietnam, huh? Silly people....we are all human beings, no matter where we are from.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 9 months ago

Sounds more like you're interested in mocking whatever she may have to say, HS. But that's OK, we all know that the mass murder of 100,000 people is just a big joke, yuk, yuk. ---bonzai

I can't believe you are really that shallow!

first the number you want for this quote is higher than what you wrote. second, do you know how many chinese the japanese killed in china before Pearl Harbor? take that number and multiply by 4! second, marion is right about unit 731, and what he didn't tell you is this: today there are people in northern china sickend and killed by the work of U731. you probably don't know how many "logs" were killed at U731, look it up; "logs" was the term the japanese in U731 used for chinese they would kill in brutal experiments.
finally, you obviously wish the nukes had not been dropped. okay then, what happened if that were the case: 2million americans died invading japan islands; 1million brits and colonials; 6million japanese died. total: 9million people killed by war. pretty humanitarian those two nukes, weren't they?

bearded_gnome 5 years, 9 months ago

you're welcome. it is just sad how the left/america haters conveniently forget Unit 731, what japan did in China before pearl harbor, or the massive cost of invasion without the nukes.

they also hate to be reminded of the "rape of Nanking," too.

wonder if anybody will ask this lady about those four issues.

also, you notice, she's lived in the U.S. for 47 years and she is speaking through an interpreter. kinda makes you wonder just why for real did she come to the u.s. apparently not to be an american.

we've known the far-left-fringie position of ECM for a long time!

womanwarrior 5 years, 9 months ago

Did anyone forget to tell you the war is over. Most of you weren't even a glimmer in your parent's eyes when the war happened. Heck, some of your parents weren't even born yet. I like to hear oral history from any side. First hand accounts of what happened are always interesting. What boring people you must be.

AjiDeGallina 5 years, 9 months ago

Leave it to Marion and roedapple to bash an old lady who survived the atomic bomb.

You 2 are the very lowest forms of life and have failed American.

We are ashamed of you.

Danimal 5 years, 9 months ago

I think that it's valuable to record the memoirs of war, but I think it's also important to remember why we fought the wars. We never would have dropped nukes on Japan, or incendiaries on Germany, if we hadn't been attacked first. It would be nice to see a Bataan survivor or someone who fought on Okinawa be given this kind of forum.

Linda Endicott 5 years, 9 months ago

Live in the past much, Marion?

Were the Japanese wrong to attack the U.S. in 1941? Sure they were. And they already paid the price for that, long ago. Most of the people who had anything to do with starting or continuing WWII are long dead now...and I doubt that you were very old at all at the time, if you were even born yet...

But of course you are a wonderful example of the first rule of war...dehumanize your enemy...

Danimal, I have seen many documentaries that talked to the survivors of Bataan and Okinawa, and the beaches at Normandy, etc., etc., etc....where have you been for the last 60 years of TV programming?

Citizens of a country have little to no control over what their leaders or military do...does Iraq come to mind for any of you? This woman survived a nuclear attack (deserved or undeserved is quite beside the point), during a time when we were teaching our own children in schools that just ducking under their desks and covering their heads would be enough to protect them during a nuclear attack...

She is Japanese, but she is not the Japanese government, of then or now...she was not responsible for the choices made by the Japanese government at the time...anymore than all you gung-ho Americans are responsible for all the choices that the American government has made through the decades...but if you want to play that game, I'm sure many of the posters here can find plenty of American snafus to personally hold you responsible for...

The war is over...live with it...this old woman survived something that she did not cause, and was not responsible for...she survived horrors that you have never had to live with...all you fine, brave, armchair warriors...

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

Wow, did the craziness that is inner-Marion just get thrown out in the open or what?

"She is talking about her experience living through a major historic event. Why are you assuming she has any other motive?"

Because if you can't link it to partisan BS, then it has no place in the LJWorld online.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

Two things worth looking at.

A manga called Barefoot Gen. An anime called Grave of the Fireflies.

Before anyone starts a war, they should be required to experience both of those.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

"you're welcome. it is just sad how the left/america haters conveniently forget Unit 731, what japan did in China before pearl harbor, or the massive cost of invasion without the nukes."

I think maybe it's a little more problematic when the right gets reminded (wait, they generally don't know in the first place!) that in the mid 1860s we forced open Japan's country with battleships against their will because they had trade goods we wanted, which sparked a bloody civil war that toppled their government within 10 years.

And the West did a whole lot worse damage to China when, say, Britain intentionally addicted a quarter of their male population to Opium, also because they had trade goods that Britain wanted, and was tired of paying silver straight out to get.

But yeah, throw all the blame at those crazy Asians. And don't bother to read anything past what you want to believe.

TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 9 months ago

Just a couple of thoughts while reading the article and responses. 1. More people were killed in the firebombing of Tokyo on March 9-10, 1945 then in either bomb drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, yet you never hear as much about it. 2. My own opinions on the matter range from my compassionate side(What a horrible thing to have to go through either dying or living and knowing that most people you knew are dead.) to my practical side (As other posters said, Japan did open the door to their own punishment). I guess, finally, I am comforted in the knowledge that had the U.S. not dropped the bombs that many, many more American soldiers and Japanese would have payed the ultimate price.
Sometimes there is no right side and wrong side, there's just the side that minimizes the damage that will be done.

jafs 5 years, 9 months ago

crazy,

Thank you - I was going to write your post, but now I don't have to!

I'll just add one thing - the atomic bombs killed many civilians.

In wartime, we generally make a distinction between killing combatants and civilians.

And, to underscore another point - does the fact that we're at war with Iraq (a war which many in our country oppose) mean that we'd deserve to be nuked by them, killing many civilians (who would probably be against the war)?

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

Logrithmic: Barefoot Gen is probably at the library. Grave of the Fireflies, maybe at Liberty, but no idea, I bought mine at GameGuy about 4 years ago.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

The Japanese were in negotiations for a full surrender when the bombs were dropped. The war was already essentially over. The main reason they were dropped was because of the fear that the Soviet Union would invade and occupy at least part of Japan, although the desire to punish Japan, and to have a full-out, real-world test of the nukes also played a part in the decision.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

And again. Japan was developing atomic weapon capabilities and were about to conduct their own tests. Does anybody here really doubt that the country that started this war with the U.S. would hesitate to use those weapons to dominate the country that was about to beat them anyway? My father suffered a gunshot wound to the shoulder in 1943 and shrapnel wounds in 1944 while fighting in the Philippines.The atomic bombs were dropped while he was recuperating in Australia. He was scheduled to return to the war in 2 weeks. Instead he was sent home. Many of those dead civilians were involved in the production of Japans war machine.

Cry me a river, those bombs saved more American soldiers lives than they took from Japan.

And before you start with your derogatory remarks about my father, he would be the first to defend what each and every one of you have to say here, if he were still with us. His words about his experience, "It was awful what we were doing to each other over there. But it had to be done."

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

Once again your attention span is so short you can only remember a small portion of my post. What about the first three sentences?

"And again. Japan was developing atomic weapon capabilities and were about to conduct their own tests. Does anybody here really doubt that the country that started this war with the U.S. would hesitate to use those weapons to dominate the country that was about to beat them anyway?"

What kind of spin can you put on that?

TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 9 months ago

Bozo- I hold a history degree from a pretty liberal college and consider myself, in general, a student of history, and your remarks should be labeled as conspiracy theory at best. I am the first to say question your government and dig deep to find true history but your cynicism is astounding.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

"BTW, one of my closest friends dad stormed the beach at Normandy."

Now we know you are a liar. The poison you spew wouldn't allow anyone to get close.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"At times written in the tone of an expose, The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb is a lawyer's brief, repetitively citing evidence that supports its position, ignoring anything that does not."

The link I gave above, and also below, is Alperovitz's response to your link, Marion. And the simple fact is that there is substantial evidence that supports his positions.

http://www.doug-long.com/ga1.htm

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

Aside from being really relevant, Marion it was also petty and idiotic. But entirely in character.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

Thanks log, and I'll try to be nice (the rest of the day, anyway)

And by the way, even if we don't agree, you keep me thinking

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

And thanks, Marion, sorry I missed you...

TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 9 months ago

bozo- While I respect (immensely) the intelligence of Mr. Alperovitz, I believe that he and the other "revisionist historians" see things that might not be there. Their ideas and theories are often convoluted and in this particular instance Mr. Alperovitz leaves out important facts that don't fit with his theory such as the handful of takeover attempts by the military establishment of Japan on Hirohito after the bombs were dropped which would indicate the unwillingness of Japan to surrender. You say that there is substantial evidence that supports his position. The facts are that there is substantial information that is ambiguous enough to be forwarded in any direction. That's the great thing about history. We can debate about it but there are only a handful of men who knew exactly what went on and they are all gone. Once again, I have deep respect for the academics of Mr Alperovitz, I just believe that the revisionists tend to take some leaps that are a stretch.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 9 months ago

that final palace coup was covered in detail on the History Channel, too.


from Log: Lots of us had fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers that fought in WWII. That doesn't make our opinions any more true or patriotic.

okay, so if an invasion took place then it seems Logrithsmack would not have been born.

Womanwarrior, you ref "glimmer in your daddy's eye" or imagine in "your grandfather's eye" a lot of those dads and grandads would have died invading japan. many more, 6million, japanese would have died, men women and children.

and I love how Logrithsmack thinks himself smarter than Truman! Truman and other leaders thought through the demonstration* use of a nuke but did not trust the japanese government to allow accurate reporting to its populus of the intensity of the nuclear weapons. only a few were going to be available to drop. and if your "demonstration" were to work, the average folk and the men in uniform of japan would have needed accurate information.

again, the japanese did far far worse in china. ask some chinese today, today, and they say "why did america stop at only two nukes on japan?

and finally, marion and theyetispeaks are absolutely correct. there was no actual attempt to settle by japan. in the days after the first nuke, the japanese cabinet couldn't even agree then to sue for peace! indeed army officers were ready to overthrow the emperor in order to continue the fight. the word I read describing the japanese cabinet at that time was "paralysis." so, people who want to flog america for dropping the nukes obviously have other motives. and they don't care that far more than ten times as many would have died without the nukes.

Linda Endicott 5 years, 9 months ago

I fail to understand why all the armchair generals keep rehashing the old, old details of WWII, ad nauseum...what exactly does that have to do with this woman?

She will be giving a speech on what it was like to experience and live through a nuclear attack...and as far as I can tell, this is solely related to the opening of a museum exhibit about said attack...why do so many of you keep insisting on shoving stats about WWII down everyone's throats?

If this woman has any motive at all, it seems to be to talk about the horrors, and to tell everyone that NO country should ever use nuclear weapons again...

She was a civilian, not a representative of the Japanese government of the time...she was caught up in the horrors of war, through no fault of her own...just the same as the soldiers at Pearl Harbor went through horror, through no fault of their own...

No matter what the Japanese or American governments may have done to each other in the past, or the supposed reasons why, it does not in any way lessen the pain and suffering that both American soldiers and Japanese civilians went through during WWII...

Get over it and get over yourselves...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"While I respect (immensely) the intelligence of Mr. Alperovitz, I believe that he and the other “revisionist historians” see things that might not be there. Their ideas and theories are often convoluted and in this particular instance Mr. Alperovitz leaves out important facts that don't fit with his theory"

YetiSpeaks-- I don't think Alperovitz is any more "revisionist" than the historians who come up with different conclusions than he does. And while he, like all historians, filters information on some level to support his conclusions, they can't be discounted off-hand without disregarding the considerable information that supports it.

"The facts are that there is substantial information that is ambiguous enough to be forwarded in any direction. That's the great thing about history. We can debate about it but there are only a handful of men who knew exactly what went on and they are all gone."

This is the real truth of history, particularly in this instance. While the generally accepted version that says the bombs ended the war, and prevented the need for a very costly invasion, at the very least, the true story (which we'll likely never know in its entirety) is much more complicated than that.

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