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November 4, 2008, 10:02 p.m. Updated November 4, 2008, 11:57 p.m.
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Chicago — (Chicago Tribune) - Streaming into an unparalleled moment in history, tens of thousands lit up Grant Park with a display of Election Night electricity not seen in generations. Under crystal skies and a crescent moon, they came from across the country and around the world, stood shoulder-to-shoulder and cheered joyously for President-elect Barack Obama, each drawn for reasons as diverse as the faces around them.
"The energy is shifting," said Linda Robb, a white woman from Buffalo Grove who burst into tears as Obama won. "There is a transformational shift happening - consciousness is being raised."
"My father had to ride on the back of the bus," said Page Cooper, a commodities broker from the West Side. "Now look at where we are."
Paul Reinhardt, a white Detroit resident, sat along the periphery of the pandemonium with his four adopted children, who are all black: "One day, they will look back and say they were here in Grant Park when the first African-American became president of the United States. To me, that means anything is possible."
Rukaya Abdallah, 13, came from River Forest with her mother. She looked at the people around her, and something she heard on television during the long campaign suddenly registered.
"Different cultures," she said. "Everyone's coming together."
They were never more together than when official word came that Obama would become the 44th president of the United States. A deafening cheer erupted from the crowd - a frenetic, grinning, often teary-eyed mix of whites and blacks and Latinos and Asians. In an homage to the Obama campaign's rallying cry of "Yes, we can!" the more than 150,000 revelers thrust their fists in the air and chanted "Yes, we did! Yes, we did!"
Marcie Rogers began to weep uncontrollably and shriek, "Thank you, Lord!"
"I never thought I would live to see a black president," she said, holding a tissue to her eyes. "I've lived through segregation."
Outside the park, cars on Michigan Avenue honked their horns, the noise blending with whoops and whistles from the sidewalks to form a victorious cacophony.
Katrina Oroye strolled through the chaos with her 6-year-old son, BaBa Tunde. "I know that I can tell him that he can be anything that he wants to," she said.
Clutching his mother's hand, the boy took her words to heart.
"I want to be a better person," he said. "I want to be president."
The only quiet moments of the evening came when Obama took the stage about 11 p.m., his voice echoing across the park as the swollen crowd looked on with rapt attention.
Just before Obama walked out, Allan Landau, a 53-year-old from the River West neighborhood, reflected on the presidential campaign he had helped as a volunteer on the streets of Chicago. Born in Canada, Landau is not yet a U.S. citizen and was unable to vote. But that didn't take away from the emotion of the moment.
"This might be the happiest day of my life," he said. "This might be the most important day in American history."
Throughout the evening, Michigan Avenue bustled with crowds like New Year's Eve. Some people were bound for the tickets-only section of Grant Park to see Obama live. Others headed toward the Jumbotrons, and some chose to simply wander the sidewalk soaking in the scene.
Amanda Geppert of Bucktown walked by the park on her way to watch election results with friends. She snapped pictures as she passed.
"I want to get photos that show a sense of the overall feeling here, the moments that make this night," she said, noting plans to e-mail the photos to friends across the country. "This is a night I'm proud to be a Chicagoan."
The signs that something special was happening were everywhere, from the unseasonably warm temperatures to the good-natured mood of the revelers.
To the north of the park, the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Tower was lit up to read "USA," while just west of there the Smurfit-Stone Building declared "Vote 2008" on its slanted diamond roof.
"I've never been to anything like this before in my life. And I don't think I ever will again," said Aurora native Julian West, 30. "It's a lot of brotherhood and sisterhood. Solidarity is happening here."
Emblematic of the lengths some took to attend the rally, Jonathan Metzl drove straight to Chicago from the University of Michigan campus after teaching a class Tuesday.
He spoke about how Obama's story reinforces some of the lessons from his past.
"My father came from Europe, escaped from Nazis. America has always been a refuge, there was a sense we are stronger because of our diversity," Metzl said. "You stand in this crowd today, and you realize that message is still alive."
Cheering, screaming and weeping with joy, an estimated 50,000 Barack Obama supporters welcomed his election Tuesday night in a delirious victory celebration in the senator's hometown.
Many had crammed into Grant Park to be a part of something that would be remembered for generations.
"I want her to be able to tell her children when history was made, she was there," said Alnita Tillman, 50, who kept her 16-year-old daughter, Raven, out of school so they could be at the park by 8 a.m., more than 10 hours before the gates opened.
The crowd went wild with joy as the news that Obama would be the nation's first black president flashed across jumbo TV screens in the park where Obama was to speak later that night. Many held both hands high up in the air, waved American flags, jumped up and down and cheered.
As Obama left his Hyde Park home in a motorcade, heading for the festivities, residents rushed out of their homes and lined the streets to wave, clap and cheer.
The downtown Chicago park - where police fought anti-war protesters during the turbulent 1968 Democratic convention - was transformed on an unseasonably balmy night by white tents and a stage lined with American flags and hung with red, white and blue bunting.
Lighted windows in the skyscrapers lining the park added to the festive atmosphere, spelling out "USA" and "Vote 2008."
The crowd erupted in cheers each time an Obama victory was announced in another state.
The rally felt like a cross between an outdoor rock concert and a big family outing. Many people wore Obama T-shirts and buttons and ate pizza. By 9 p.m. several babies slept on their mothers' chests. Other children snoozed in strollers.
In the crowd was Lisa Boon, 42, of Chicago, who said she burst into tears earlier in the day pondering what an Obama victory would mean.
Boon said her father was the cousin of Emmett Till, a 14-year-old black Chicagoan who was abducted and killed in Mississippi in 1955, purportedly for whistling at a white woman.
"I was thinking of all the things done to Emmett and injustices to black people," she said. "This is amazing, simply amazing."
Stephanie Smith, 27, and her husband flew in from Nashville, Tenn., and staked out a spot on the sidewalk with folding chairs and a box of doughnuts early in the morning.
Even without tickets, Smith said it would be worth it to be standing in the park to hear the words, "Our next President of the United States is Barack Obama."
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RogueThrill (Anonymous) says…
Congratulations, sir. Do your best and don't let us down.
4 November 2008
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…
Sing it loud!Sanity has returned…
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…
I told you so!!!!!!!!!! In a landslide!!!!This is MY country and I got it back tonight.Come on up for the rising!!!!!!
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GreenEyedBlues (Anonymous) says…
Yes we did.
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…
Congratulations, Mr. Obama. I think I'm gonna take a day's vacation or so from this place until things come down. The doomcrying and the gloating are likely gonna get hard to bear for a bit.
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maxcrabb (Anonymous) says…
Obama FTW!
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cloggedjhawk (Wendy magillicutty) says…
thank you United States of America for voting with hope instead of fear!
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denak (Anonymous) says…
I am very proud of my country today. To think that we have gone from segregation to an African American man in the White House in roughly 50 years is nothing short of a miracle and is testement to our great country. Dena
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cellogrl (Anonymous) says…
All I can say is… that … was… awesome! I'm so frickin' excited!!!
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smartmomma (Anonymous) says…
rock chalk go barack!!!!!!!!!
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teachandlearn (Anonymous) says…
What a victory for America! I am so glad that I have got to be a part of this moment and the two of my children are old enough to understand what it means!
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Boeing (Anonymous) says…
Congrats. Make us proud!But can the Obama people on TV stop shouting “Yes We Can”? It makes them sound like idiots…”Yes We Did” would be the correct tense now…
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alm77 (Anonymous) says…
yes we did!!http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/eastside93/2008/11/i-didnt-vote-for-obama-today.php
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vhaines (Anonymous) says…
:)
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shutnmdown (Anonymous) says…
I can proudly say, I will no longer call it the “united snakes of america”i will proudly say “united states of america”
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vhawk (Anonymous) says…
It was amazing to be able to vote, I am so proud. Congratulations President Obama.
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Rackhouse (Anonymous) says…
It truly is a great day to be an American. I can not express how proud I am of this country right now.President Obama, rest up, you have a lot of work to do to to fix the wounds that have been created within this country by those who do not need to be named.I don't pray often but will tonight.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
But I thought that Barack Hussein Obama was “half white”?I'm so confused!
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
It's official, America no longer racist. We will be much much poorer, but not racist!
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Mangino_saurus (Anonymous) says…
What a terrible, terrible mistake. I can't believe how blind everyone is. Truly an upsetting day.
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mike_blur (Mike Blur) says…
Simply awesome.What's also good news is that McCain is also winning Kansas “only” 55-43 so far. Projections over the past few weeks had McCain showing in the low to mid 60s.
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antney (Anonymous) says…
This is the begining of a new era…. I'm so excited for America
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chargdup (Anonymous) says…
President Obama, you have a big mess to clean up.How can I help?
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shutnmdown (Anonymous) says…
i am very proud of you, even though we had some crazy people voting for the other guy. he's now doing to the speak of shame….yOU GO oBAMA..mccain said “the failure is mine”….
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danielsan_10 (Anonymous) says…
nobama_08…i'm with you and magino_saurus…how can we expect someone with no leadership experience to lead us out of this abysmal disaster we are in?!
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
chargdup (Anonymous) says: “President Obama, you have a big mess to clean up. How can I help?”I think I can speak for the President elect, “Get a job, work really hard and send me 35% of everything you make. After you pay higher energy and food costs save what little you can and send me 40% of that.”
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
Marion, we have you to thank for this, as well. :)Without hatemongers and fearmongers like you… Conservativeman (and his various trolling disguises)…gl0ck0wner… Kevin G. (appearing in more than 50 different usernames)… navin_r_johnson…Satirical…and of course, right_thinker… who in less than three years, has exhausted more than 15,000 posts in various guises of all kinds…With your tireless work for the “opposition”… spreading false rumors, innuendos, and so forth… you showed the American people just how far neoconservatism has fallen.Those 300+ electoral votes simply couldn't have happened without you and your compadres… folks like Matt Drudge, El Rushbo, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity… and the millions of deranged pyschopaths over in FreeperLand.You wonderful folks made this happen.Enjoy your brief period of rest and renewal. I look forward to your forthcoming resurgence of fear, intimidation, and paranoia… as you retool and resurrect a new movement for a new decade, and a new millenium.I eagerly anticipate to see you strip down the pieces of Neoconservatism… and bring forth the phantom spectre of NeoMcCarthyism.Me and the rest of the “fake Americans” (as opposed to you “real Americans”) look forward to it. :)Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.independentvoting.org
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angeleyes (Anonymous) says…
wtg!!!obama!! May you bring my son home from iraqi real soon. he going on almost 2 years this next summer when he get home. Iam trustin you. mcain your God commercial is why i changed my replublican vote demacrat. thank you for showing me how ignorant you really and intruely are.You are by no means God nor can you judge obama in that way. once again congrats dem. all the way. for me now on.
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1029 (Anonymous) says…
Never saw this coming. Unbelievable.
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coneflower (Anonymous) says…
Now the real work begins. Obama inherits a broken, bankrupt country. But we are America and we will rise again. I'm very proud of us tonight.
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rlauram (Anonymous) says…
Way to go !!!! Now let's get this mess cleaned up.
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
Congratulations to our new president. I sincerely hope everyone gets what they asked for. It is unquestionable that a McCain win would have put more money in my pocket (and no, I don't make over $250K, but McCain's tax credit for healthcare would have been a huge savings for me). But there were too many other issues that people wanted change on, and the voters have spoken (before you throw around words like landslide too much, scott, I'm not too sure 51-48% means landslide - strange how nobody's complaining about the electoral college system now).
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Rackhouse (Anonymous) says…
Everyone go to bed, get a good nights sleep, wake up tomorrow and ask yourself; how can I help make this a better country?If you can't do this, then ask yourself; why don't I want a better country?President elect Obama will need a lot of support to help turn things around. The one thing you can do is contact your representatives in congress who will need to buy into his message of change to do just that, help change things. Without the help of congress, unfortunately, no change will happen.
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Anonymous userSigmund (Anonymous) says:chargdup (Anonymous) says: “President Obama, you have a big mess to clean up. How can I help?”I think I can speak for the President elect, “Get a job, work really hard and send me 35% of everything you make. After you pay higher energy and food costs save what little you can and send me 40% of that.”____________________________________________________Well, Sigmund, under that particular funding/revenue stream… how many years do you figure it will take us to pay off the Iraq war, erase the budget deficits, and the planet-Jupiter-sized ball of debt left behind by our 43rd president (which is just outer layers, really, added to the planet-Mars-sized ball of debt left behind by our 40th president)…??I understand your self-centeredness. I understand that you have no concern whatsoever for the mess(es) you leave behind for your children, your grandchildren, assuming you have any.Not all of us are that selfish, though.But, back to the numbers…Seriously, after all those billions of dollars of Iraqi oil money have been put against our debts—you know, all that oil money we were promised—how many years do you think it will take? Have you crunched the numbers?Many times, this is the part where I might say someting smart-alecky like, “I'm laughing *at* you, not with you.”I'm not laughing, though.Truly, I pity you.—Ag
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topflight (Anonymous) says…
I will offer my congratulations because I am a proud american, but I am truly disappointed. I just have one question that I would like anyone to answer for me. I dont mean this question to anger anyone, but as an american, it truly bothers me. Why wont Obama cover his heart with his hand when the National Anthem is played? That just seems disrespectful. Answers please.
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…
Agnostick~ You're on a roll tonight! Go get 'em! Sigmund, marion, et al~~ Don't choke on your own bile… I can't think of anyone who would call 911 on your behalf.
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coneflower (Anonymous) says…
topflight:The negative campaign McCain ran is over. Let it go.
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Rackhouse (Anonymous) says…
I don't know but I do know this, it takes more than symbolism to prove patriotism. When at football games, I never put my hand over my heart, don't see the need. And before you say a word, I and my wife spent eight years in the military serving this great country of ours. That's the symbolism I fall back on and will put it up against anyone's hand-over-heart symbolism any day of the week.
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Weezy_Jefferson (Anonymous) says…
HOORAY!!
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
topflight:How many times has this happened?Photos? Videos?I've had a bit of wine tonight, a good dinner, and I'll be up at least another couple of hours. So I'll play your little game.I've seen exactly one photo, taken at one incident when Obama didn't place his hand over his heart.One time.How many times have you seen it?Dare you let your mouth write a check that your (version of the) facts can't cash?
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…
“(before you throw around words like landslide too much, scott, I'm not too sure 51-48% means landslide “As I have stated numerous times in this long, long campaign, national horserace numbers do not matter. Obama has won in an electoral landslide & that is the measure to which I referred.
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Mangino_saurus (Anonymous) says…
Now I will be really impressed if Obama wore to raise the kind of funds he used to buy the Presidency to pay of the national debt!
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topflight (Anonymous) says…
Hey, I have accepted him as the president. I just was interested if there is an answer to that question. Someday he will be at an international gathering, and when your own president does not appear to give a damn about his anthem, what will they think of the american people. It was just a question, you all are the ones putting a negative spin on this. I was just curious as to if he has ever addressed it.
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Pay_N_My_Way (Anonymous) says…
Since the Democratic Congress and Senate has ran this country's economy into the ground the last two years, now they will have a President to pass every bill that will put us further into the ground. Who really wins????Indiemike, What do you mean “restore the United States Constition?”Notajayhawk, - good post, I couldn't have said it better. We're all in trouble.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
“Someday he will be at an international gathering, and when your own president does not appear to give a damn about his anthem,”Jeez, is that your greatest concern? His reaction to an olde English drinking song?
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topflight (Anonymous) says…
Is that what you feel about your nation? Thanks for voting.
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misplacedcheesehead (Anonymous) says…
Oh my-I did NOT want this. However, I can say one positive thing regarding Obama's victory. Somehow, I think that his grandmother will still “know” her grandson won.
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says:I'm so confused!–––––––––I will let Marion speak for himself.Today is a great day in history, the people have spoken, and they have spoken loud and clear. I have always been a proud American, but today I have regained a lost hope for our future.
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zbarf (Anonymous) says…
wake up…you have unleashed the three headed monster
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…
Oh, one more thing.Don't come crying to me when the Resurrected Hitler and the Domo-kuns come. I tried to warn you.
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topflight (Anonymous) says…
Hey, imagine that, OPRAH. Hope he thanks her.
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
“Seriously, after all those billions of dollars of Iraqi oil money have been put against our debts-you know, all that oil money we were promised…”Seriously, maybe you can show us where our current president promised you any such thing, aggie?I hope you'll be keeping score on promises kept equally as diligently with the next president - but I doubt it. Again I congratulate the president elect, but if you expect even a third of his promises to come to fruition, you are seriously deluded (and I didn't have much faith in his opponent's promises, either).
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jeahle (Anonymous) says…
Yes we just DID. I bet the LJWorld is regretting their endorsement of McCain right about now …
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
Agnostick (Anonymous) says: ” Sigmund (Anonymous) says:chargdup (Anonymous) says: “President Obama, you have a big mess to clean up. How can I help?”I think I can speak for the President elect, “Get a job, work really hard and send me 35% of everything you make. After you pay higher energy and food costs save what little you can and send me 40% of that.”____________________________________________________Well, Sigmund, under that particular funding/revenue stream: how many years do you figure it will take us to pay off the Iraq war, erase the budget deficits, and the planet-Jupiter-sized ball of debt left behind by our 43rd president (which is just outer layers, really, added to the planet-Mars-sized ball of debt left behind by our 40th president):??So what part do you disagree with? Should chargedup simply sit on their ass and wait for welfare checks or struggle to succeed and selflessly send in 35-40% in taxes? BTW, as far as I remember both Republicans and Democrats approved the bailout and the Iraq war, or am I mistaken?
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Mangino_saurus (Anonymous) says…
I was hoping the T would fail, myself and several others who have not been brain washed by Obama's non-sense where hoping to get a good deal on a used bus so we could head to Canada for the next 4 years! Obama's a fake - just listen to his pathetic speech - blah, blah, blah.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
“Is that what you feel about your nation? Thanks for voting.”I wasn't aware that this country is a “song.” I suppose next you'll tell me your mother is a car.
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mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…
I kind of wonder what the race would have been like if McCain had not picked Palin, and if it would have made any difference in the results
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
Oh and do enjoy the victory, Jaun McCain of McCain-Fiengold and McCain-Kennedy was hardly a conservative Republican Possibly the worst candidate since Bob Dole. Nice guys, war hero's, and totally and completely clueless.
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
“Last year, when Bush won by a margin of 2.4% and 34 electoral votes, he declared that he had a “mandate”.”And did you consider it one, logicsound? Somehow I didn't think you were always so accepting of what President Bush said.At the moment, CNN has the margin the same as they did the final result four years ago, 51-48. The discrepancy I mentioned between the electoral and popular votes wasn't referring to a different outcome, but to the fact that the same narrow margin you mocked as a 'mandate' four years ago translates into a 'landslide' tonight.
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says:Oh, one more thing.Don't come crying to me when the Resurrected Hitler and the Domo-kuns come. I tried to warn you._______________________________________________Screw you, evil jonas! A resurrected Hitler? We have a secret weapon!!http://video.aol.com/video/anschluss-77/1756557(okay, okay… technically, it's a “clone,” not a “resurrection.” Still…)
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kidicarus (Anonymous) says…
aaaaagh!! So excited!!!
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coolhawk (Anonymous) says…
Oh by the way. I'm glad Oprah and Brad Pitt were there to rejoice with “The Chosen One.” I'm glad I can walk on the same earth as he. To the racist posted above, racism only survives in the minds that perpetuate the thought. Some in this country didn't even know they were racist until the media told them so. I guess when you group everyone into one category, that makes you a racist. Well, I am white and damn proud of it - Choctaw Indian, French, Scottish, Irish. And, I don't need my wife on nationwide TV to categorize me as one race or another. Get over it and move on. “Obama is a black man,” really? What about the white folk that raised him and the white woman that was his mother? Obama is a sham and his wife has an agenda. He is afraid of his background because it might not be politically correct or get him elected. Face up to what you are, Obama. You are a half-breed. No shame in that. Why can't you say it and why can't your wife support it? This is so politically incorrect that people can't face the truth. Probably Gestapo at my door now.
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rshrink (Anonymous) says…
It is so amazing that we can go from eight years of disastrous Bush policies to finally getting an intelligent, wise and caring individual. I especially appreciate the young people who turned out and delivered this welcomed outcome. Our work is not over. We need to participate, call, write and email our elected officials and tell them what we need. I do not doubt that work will be started very soon towards straightening out our healthcare system and in creating new jobs that pay a living wage and making education possible for more people and finally getting to work and cleaning up the environment and hopefully that will include taking positive steps to stop climate changes. We can have an intelligent response to problems in the middle east with policies for the benefit of people as a whole, not just the oil companies. I would also expect that those officials who have acted in corrupt ways will be punished and that no bid contracts will stop and we will be able to do the research that needs to be done to make scientific progress to promote better technologies and better health, all of the things that have not been possible under republican self serving rule. 44 % of Kansans went for Obama. Hopefully the rest will figure out later who they should have voted for.
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JHOK32 (Anonymous) says…
To Mr. Bush: Thank God & Greyhound you're gone !!!!!!
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
Sigmund: Yes, both sides of the aisle are responsible.So, let's clean it up together, now… and not leave the mess for the kids…?Yes?
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Will someone please explain to me how my tongue in cheek post violated the TOS and got pulled? What in the world did I say that was so awful? I didn't say anything bad.I didn't post any evil links.Didn't call anybody a POS or instruct anyone to fornicate with them self as many posters seem to be able to get away with in this award winning site.I made no disparaging remarks about any candidates - again unlike many that have made countless crude remarks about whichever candidate they had an issue with.There was not a single bad or politically incorrect word in my post.What gives moderator? I've had too many innocuous posts removed for reasons I am unable to fathom in light of the many vulgar postings I see on an everyday basis here that don't merit a second glance from you people.Is this your way of saying to me that you don't want my patronage? Geeze! <— I hope that word wasn't too vulgar for you all. Though it is harsher than anything that was in my yanked post.
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Mangino_saurus (Anonymous) says…
Agnostic - just a thought of mine, Palin would make a hot Wonder Women! Do you agree?
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tangential_reasoners_anonymous (Anonymous) says…
What an absolutely lovely evening in America.
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hawklet21 (Anonymous) says…
I have no idea why my comment was deleted. Let's try this again…OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No_you_cant (Anonymous) says:most of you voted for him just because he is dark.brilliant:::..____________________________________________________Doubly-brilliant, because “we” split the vote between Obama and Alan Keyes, another black man who ran for president this year.Brain cells not sparking this morning?Your name, “No_You_Can't” certainly fits you. Because, well, you know… you really can't…Can you???
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…
agno: Bah, Wonder Woman may be able to take Resurrected Hitler, he's just a figure head. To suggest that she could take the Elite Domo-kun Warriors, now that's just foolishness.http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/DomoKun%20Kitty.jpgRemember, this is what you voted for.http://beconfused.com/images/2007/12/Domo-kun-takes-over-the-world.jpg
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
topflight, care to share your thoughts on this?http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
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witchfindergeneral (Anonymous) says…
Finally a president (-elect) I can be proud of! Bush was/is a complete travesty…Obama has a lot of cleaning up to do. I doubt he can turn around the economy in 4 years, but at least America has redeemed herself in the eyes of the world. I can't wait to see who he appoints to his cabinet…hopefully some moderate Republicans (Colin Powell?).
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tunahelper (Anonymous) says…
Terrorists will attack the United States within 6 months of omaba taking office. omaba will declare martial law. iran will attack US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gasoline will sell at $8.00 per gallon. God help us.
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
Oh and here is a news flash. Washington DC, 2009. President Obama today announced that his promise of a tax break for 95% of Americans will not be broken. However, after looking at the current state of the US Government he has declared that anyone making 25,000/year is in fact “wealthy.” The Administration congratulates you on your new status as wealthy and urges you to selflessly and patriotically pay your tax increase.Agnostick (Anonymous) says: “Sigmund: Yes, both sides of the aisle are responsible. So, let's clean it up together, now: and not leave the mess for the kids:? Yes?”Sure, Lets lower energy costs for everyone by drilling on and off shore for our own oil here at home, building nuke plants, building the cleanest coal plants we can. Cheap abundant and reliable energy is the key to any national economy.Then we can get rid of the subprime mortgages by dismantling Fannie and Freddie Mac and throwing all those responsible in Congress (both Democrats and Republicans) and on Wall Street in jail.
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unklemonkey (Anonymous) says…
What a great day.
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bugmenot (Anonymous) says…
Yaaay!!!The voices of sanity and hope have won out this time. Tonight we celebrate.Tomorrow we'd better rest up because there's a lot of work to be done to fix this mess the past 8 years have caused.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
I'll actually agree with you on all of those things. Your multi-faceted approach to energy options is certainly a wise strategy.I'd also agree with your financial solutions, especially throwing the Wall Street crooks in jail.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says:”Those 300+ electoral votes simply couldn't have happened without you and your compadres: folks like Matt Drudge, El Rushbo, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity: and the millions of deranged pyschopaths over in FreeperLand.”As they were so helpful I can assume you will oppose any attempt to reinstate the “Fairness Doctrine” whereby a government committee, and not the audience, will choose who will be allowed to criticize either party and their policies on TV, radio, or the internet?
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
Agnostick (Anonymous) says: “I'd also agree with your financial solutions, especially throwing the Wall Street crooks in jail.”But not those in government of both political parties? Why not?
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…
Thanks to Dubya for making this an easy path for Obama! McSame, Stepford Wife, Bimbo Palin, and her moron husband, are all pathetic and they never had a chance. Thanks to racist jerks like Tom who fueled the fire and got the intelligent people to vote for Obama.
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ryknow1976 (Anonymous) says…
The air of revolution has finally filled our lungs.
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
biscuiiiitttsssssss!!!!
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victoria_noire (Anonymous) says…
Topflight, here's something else for you:http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.aspAt least go to Google and try to find the answers yourself.
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ryknow1976 (Anonymous) says…
To quote Bob Dylan “Things should get interesting right about now”To speak to the closed minds that can't see past his heritage, ethnicity or name; your time has past. If you want to wave the flag, do so with the rest of us. You got a door prize in Pat Roberts, now just accept progress. G'night Lawrence. The new world and I will see you all tomorrow. Smile
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slang4d (Anonymous) says…
Wow, for the first time in eight years, I'm not ashamed to be an American. It's about time! Yay!
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
And Confrontation will keep reminding us all of the mindset that rigorously supported Obama with his or her 11:58 post. Jolly good, Confrontation!
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hawklet21 (Anonymous) says…
Will the person(s) who deleted my comment please step forward? I am just curious as he!! now.
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Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…
In four years some of you will realize what I already know: we've elected exactly the same president that we already had. There will be no change, just a continuation of our failed policies that have devalued our money and ruined our economy. Obama won't stop using our troops to defend The Empire, nor will he follow the Constitution. Nothing will really change.
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
Oh, and my stock:God help us all.
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slang4d (Anonymous) says…
“There will be no change”No, it will not change so long as people like you promote divisiveness. Please go off worship at your Ron Paul shrine and let us celebrate.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says: “…and got the intelligent people to vote for Obama.”Just curious, Confrontation - is this one of those folks you refer to as the “intelligent people?”“[beavis voice]:.uh:.huh:huh:..”- unpalinized
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says:Agnostick (Anonymous) says: “I'd also agree with your financial solutions, especially throwing the Wall Street crooks in jail.”But not those in government of both political parties? Why not?____________________________________________________Not reading too well this late, Sig? Maybe it's night-night time?The key word is “especially.”Example: “I like all the usual toppings on a banana split—but I especially like the pineapple.”Think about it… On the other hand, the Democrats and Republicans, technically, didn't do the actual driving over at Lehman Brothers, Countrywide, Wachovia etc. The CEOs lose their jobs. We can indict the pols if you like; if it doesn't stick, the voters can take care of them (kinda like we did tonight).***********************************************************************After reviewing this article to remind myself about some of the key points about the Fairness Doctrine:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrineI have to say that I don't really see the point. Back when we all watched the same three TV networks, and read a newspaper or two, a couple of radio stations… well, *enforcing* that Fairness Doctrine was pretty easy for the FCC bureaucrat.Can you imagine trying to police someting like that today?100+ cable channels?Satellite radio and TV?Internet radio and TV and web sites?Just let it go. Let the extremist crackpots keep their talons in the old, outdated AM radio airwaves. Another 5 years and that part of the spectrum will be shut down, anyways.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
I listened to it all on the radio as I drove back from Lawrence tonight.One thing I wonder..Bush promised in his phone call a smooth transition at the White House.Does that include popping all the ” apostrophe keys ” off the keyboards?
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
Liberty_One…Exactly what is the difference between the two:”I'll only vote for the Blue Party, or the Red Party.”“I'll vote for any party, except the Blue Party or the Red Party.”Is there truly a difference?
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dumas (Anonymous) says…
My fellow Americans unhappy with the outcome of the Presidential Election, I was unhappy with the outcomes of the presidential elections in 2000 and 2004. However, I still remained a citizen of the United States, continued to live my life, word hard and do what I felt was right.You can do the same now. It won't be as bad as you think. In fact, you may even like it. I can't say that's completely true about myself. But I certainly tried.Thanks and bless Barack Obama and the U.S.
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JohnBrown (Anonymous) says…
It's official: the United States will never elect a Viet Nam vet as president. That said (and as a Nam vet) I'm proud we went with O'Bama. He will lead from the center, and he will lead us in the right direction. I feel like the stain Bush, Cheney, Rove and Gonzalez have placed on our nation is finally beginning to wash away.
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Daytrader23 (Anonymous) says…
They are waiving American Flags here this morning in Europe.I repeat, people are out in the streets waving American Flags here in Europe, God bless you America and thank you.It's a far cry from only a year ago when they were burning the American flag. Bush-B-Gone. Welcome Barack Hussein Obama.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
Thanks for the visual from afar Daytrader23.Will I be seeing you on the front page of the Telegraph this morning?;)
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says:Thanks for the visual from afar Daytrader23.Will I be seeing you on the front page of the Telegraph this morning?–––––––––––—It's 5:00 somewhere in the world, Cheers.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…
jonas,This one's for you.http://icanhascheezburger.wordpress.com/files/2008/11/funny-pictures-cat-talks-to-his-friend-about-nip.jpg
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blakus (Anonymous) says…
Good bye fear and old-guard rhetoric; helllloooooooo reason!
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ridinthefence (Anonymous) says…
bye bye dubya
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Daytrader23 (Anonymous) says…
Headline from The Sun, a British newspaper says it all.”One Giant Leap For Mankind”The world celebrates while you wing nuts crawl back into your caves. LOL
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
madmike (Anonymous) says: God save the Republic, God help us all.”Marion writes:Madmike, the Republic died on November 4, 2008.
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tangential_reasoners_anonymous (Anonymous) says…
What an absolutely glorious morning in America.
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
Not *that* bad a morning at all, tang.In addition to my congratulations for president-elect Obama, I'd like to extend a hearty congratulations also to Senator Roberts, who apparently, by winning rather easily, helped prevent a filibuster-free majority in the Senate.Don't think your votes don't count, Kansans.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
unpalinized (Anonymous) says: Marion and madmike- are you packing up and leaving yet???I can only hope so::beat it.”Marion writes:No such luck for you today, there, unpalinized!We are already making plans to pick up the pieces after Humpty-Dumpty has his Great Fall and leaves you and the rest of the country broken and bleeding.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
And of course, unpalinized cannot reply in a reasonable and rational manner but instead chosses to send unwanted PM spam through the LJW messaging system:”Hello,The user unpalinized sent the following message to you via LJWorld.com:==============================America didn't die.WE just voted to move past your old time sh*t.==============================Please do not reply to this e-mail message. To send unpalinized a response, visit this Web page:http://www2.ljworld.com/users/unpalinized/contact/”The asterisk was placed in the no-no word by me; the word was properly spelled in the PM.
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
I always suspected Marion would be among the first to turn his back on his country, I always told you he was no patriot.
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
My favorite part of Obama's speech, “And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what you can do for your country - ask what your country can do for you.”
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zbarf (Anonymous) says:”wake up:you have unleashed the three headed monster.”Ghidorah?
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sk_in_ks (Anonymous) says…
It's appropriate to say “Yes, we DID,” but we also need to keep saying, “Yes, we can,” because the work is just beginning. Our first task begins now: to turn our attention to the current administration, which still has 76 days left in office, and is now busy pushing through changes at the FBI, the Environmental Protection Agency and elsewhere:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/opinion/04tue1.html The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance; Americans cannot afford to take 76 days off until Obama takes office.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says: I always suspected Marion would be among the first to turn his back on his country, I always told you he was no patriot.”Marion writes:Oh, Aji, go back to your hut!We have done anything but turn our backs on this great nation as it enters what historians will in future describe as one of the darkest periods of its history.That the Obamination will fail and fail dramatically is a given; even its most ardent supporters will come to know of the betrayals which it will inflict on them, then all will undertand how they have been sold down the river and will not only reject the usurpation but rebel against it in a perfect storm of real change.We will be there to help restore this nation to its greatness.
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Coach_Eric (Anonymous) says…
Don't let the door hit ya, W…I'm so happy this morning. This is a historic, beautiful day. Hope reigns, liberty will ring again, and we finally have a president I can be proud of.God bless America indeed.
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roger_o_thornhill (Anonymous) says…
“My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over.”as true when Gerald Ford said it the first time!
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I guess the truth hurts
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temperance (Anonymous) says…
I'm taking a few minutes this morning to read some of the conservative blogs (NRO, RedState, etc.). They're so dejected, defeated, and angry. You can almost hear the tears. It's really putting a spring in my step. Equally fun, pre-election analysis of why McCain should win: http://www.redstate.com/diaries/josh_…
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
You know what temperance, it's that divisive, arrogant attitude like yours, now that George Soros and the far-left have officially hijacked the Democratic party, that will cause conservatives to wake up from their slumber and take back the wheel in four years. Enjoy it while it lasts–four years. If we make it through four years, and that is doubtful. Our household can weather what's coming, can you?
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Coach_Eric (Anonymous) says…
Poor little Tom Shewmon! Only proving temperance's point my man.
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4paz (Anonymous) says…
Boeing”But can the Obama people on TV stop shouting “Yes We Can”? It makes them sound like idiots:”Yes We Did” would be the correct tense now:”You don't understand. The “yes we can” is about turning our country around, changing our image in the world, saving our economy, and uniting, not dividing the nation. That is going to take a lot of work and it's only just begun. Obama's message is because we are Americans we can solve problems. Yes we can!!!! Cynics and naysayers need to get out of the way or come up with some ideas to share. All Americans are welcome to share in fixing what's happened to our country.
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unpalinized (Anonymous) says:Marion and madmike- are you packing up and leaving yet???I can only hope so::beat it._____________________________________________________In order to leave, one must first find the door.A difficult task… stumbling drunk on vodka and rage…
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sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says…
That was a great victory - for America and for the world. Now the work begins.It will not be easy,there will be tough choices,but the whole world can start to rest easier with the disastrous bush years almost behind us and America poised to lead once again. I am hopeful for a bright future where America can be both proud and respected.
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lawdog (Anonymous) says…
For many of us that have been working very hard for The Obama Campaign, our work is just beginning. Thank you Lawrence Community!!
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Oh, Aggie!I will do nothing to impede the progress of the Obamination, in fact, the faster his plans are imposed on the American people, the faster the country will be driven to the ruin to which it must go before the American public comes to its senses.In the meantime, there is going to be a lot of money to be made with those who know how, especially since the entire business climate will radically change, creating misery and suffering, the like of which has not been seen since the Great Depression.Can't stop it and can't do anything about it, so might as well make money from it.
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TheSychophant (Anonymous) says…
A mere four years ago, shortly after President-Elect Barack Obama delivered—what willl now go down in American History as a transformative, landmark speech—his keynote address to the Democratic National Convention, he was handpicked and removed, albeit temporarily, from the boarding line of his plane back to Chicago. All, obviously, because of his color and because of his name. On and after Jnauary 20, 2009, and for at least four years following, any plane he sets foot on immediately becomes Air Force One. Only in America. I love this Country.
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…
The corrupt and divisive Fox News, talk radio, internet blogs and the deplorable emails have been defeated. The people are taking back America from Bushco and the far-right.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Barack Hussein Obama will become the poster child for the Peter Principle.
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workin2hard (Anonymous) says…
If you look at the map of who won what states It shows that McCain won the states that are producing oil. The oil industry wants renewable energy. In turn creates hundreds of thousands of jobs. Meaning more money for people and economy. Start a ripple in the water and it spreads out.
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
Agnostick needs to have several vodkas, then maybe he could wake up in a moment of clarity and find himself.
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temperance (Anonymous) says…
Another reason to celebrate: We'll have at least two, if not three, Obama SCOTUS picks in the next four years: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwal… not arrogance, Tom. Just confidence.Now, let's watch the circular firing squad. Here's John Derbyshire from NRO blaming the loss on Bush's policies of “capitulation” to the Left. No, really — you have to read it to believe it. The title — “Sour Loser” — says it all:http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjBhMWEyZmZhYTYwZTNlMjIyM2E1NmQwOWUzODBlZTc=
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“I think I can speak for the President elect, “Get a job, work really hard and send me 35% of everything you make. After you pay higher energy and food costs save what little you can and send me 40% of that.”Amen. Another's misfortune will NEVER be my misfortune.A sad day for America.. History shows that a democracy only lasts an average of 300 years. Its been that way throughout history without any exceptions. We have taken our first steps toward a dark future and the death of our republic. But only if the Obama administration lasts. This will be a one term presidency. In a way, I want to thank everyone for voting for Obama. This will finally put to rest the essential “need” that you have all had for a left wing wackjob in the Presidency. The destruction that is sure to ensue is not long away. I doubt you'll even bother to show up at the polls in 2012. It will be an eye opener for all of America. Maybe then you'll start listening to reason instead of feelings. Had it not been for the fact that Obama was not running against McCain, but against Bush, this election would have had the opposite results. Bush was the worst thing that happened to the GOP since….uh, ever. He has tainted my beloved party. But thankfully, with Obama's victory, I will have it back in 4 years. An extremist such as him will have a wonderful effect on the GOP. So I want to thank all those who voted for Obama; hippies, libs, communists, marxists, illegal aliens, and dead people…. for breaking the ground on the new GOP powerhouse that will be born. Get ready , GOP. We'll have our houses back (for a long time) in 2012.
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“Barack Hussein Obama will become the poster child for the Peter Principle.”Ah, Marion, you're just jealous you didn't even make it that far.
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unbelievable (Anonymous) says…
Wow. It is unbelievable to see how many people voted with such lack of knowledge. Really it just makes me sick. So many of the people who voted have no idea what they just voted for. So many people who voted only had the issue of “race” in mind. First of all, all those articles saying his is the first “black” or “african-american” president are wrong. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). He is now the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. So to those of you who want to make this about race and say that the white house is no longer for “whites”…YOU are the racist one. Don't sit here and tell me that you just want to be seen as “equal” and then turn everything around into a race issue. It is YOU who is concerned with race…not the “whites” or whoever else you want to blame for your “problems” or issues. Making this all about race is ignorance!To all of you who are gloating the fact that Obama won…you are showing your ignorance. This isn't a basketball game for heaven sakes. When he fails us…you are to blame!
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Unbelievable says: .. “When he fails us:you are to blame!”Please tell me who is to blame for the failures of Bushco?
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
” So many people who voted only had the issue of “race” in mind.”Clearly, little else is on your mind, unbelievable. Are your robes out of the dry cleaners yet?
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sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says…
These bush fluffers make it hard not to gloat a loud I-told-you-so straight in their scowling faces - the scowling faces of the racists and the warmongers and those utterly terrified of the new and the different and the possible and of hope. In these times it is important to remember the Grand Rule of Bigotry and Hate: Prejudice and fanaticism tend to yell loudest and cling on the hardest when they are most threatened, when they know their worldview is headed straight for the dustbin of history. Bye bye, you will not be missed. Let the rest of us help bring in a new era of hope and progress and cooperation. Let us say goodbye to the bickering and divisiveness that have distracted us from reaching our destiny. Let us reach out, let us include, tolerate and progress. Our goal should be that we are the generation that will pass a legacy of hope to the next.
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vpete69 (Anonymous) says…
Party line voters that have no idea what socialism, wealth-redistribution, national healthcare or capital gains actually mean. Keep voting on gay marriage and abortion, because really, THOSE are the real issues. Gotta love em.There are places on the internet where you can bet on how fast he will be assassinated. While I would never wish death on ANY of my country's leaders (no matter how F'd up they are), I cant ignore the fact that an assassination on a black president might lead us to another national holiday…meaning a day off work…YAY!
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
all i have to say is hahahahahahahahaha!!! and to all you haters that think we're on our way down the drain, get the hell out then! where are we now with your beloved Bush! and again, hahahahahahahaha!!! you racists and right wingers have been trying to keep this from happening for many decades, and now its here, and there's nothing you can do about it..hahahahaha!! i love it, and love all the hate you spew, shows your stupidity! enjoy our wonderful barack hussein obama for the next 4 years!! hahahahaha!! i hope it really makes you mad!
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Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…
Agnostick (Anonymous) says: Exactly what is the difference between the two:”I'll only vote for the Blue Party, or the Red Party.”“I'll vote for any party, except the Blue Party or the Red Party.”Is there truly a difference?–––Maybe. Depends on the motivations of the person and their goal. If you think that the second line represents my position then you are mistaken. I will vote for who I think is the best candidate, regardless of party.
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Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…
I can only hope that Obama at least ends our wars of aggression.
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Nobama08 (Anonymous) says…
Dumb_Obama is right I'm scared for our country's defense he will give it all to the poor people who do nothing with their lives and will have no incentive to do anything now he is going to give them even more tax brakes while he punishes the hard working americans.
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BigAlWell, everyone has to blame someone. I don't like Bush either, so ask someone else.just_another_bozo_on_this_busConsidering you know nothing about MY background and race, you shouldn't open your mouth about it. Don't talk about what you don't know. You are one of those ignorant fools I was talking about. Ignorance just flies out of your mouth.You all assume someone is racist because they don't believe in the race issue being thrown around. Or at least that is what you want to accuse them of because you need something to throw at them. Not one person has agreed that race shouldn't be an issue. Why? Because you DO make it an issue. I am not saying someone shouldn't vote for who they honestly believe is the right person for the job. If you really have looked into it and completely agree with his views, then great…put it your vote and congratulations to you. But, I am speaking to those who voted for the wrong reasons. I am speaking to those who make ignorant comments about his race and how great it is to have a “black” president.
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…
It's so great to see Tom and his Klan buddies posting through their tears today. Nothing makes me happier than knowing that you are unhappy. The best man won, and your pathetic and racist attitudes are the reason why.
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unbelievable (Anonymous) says…
Nobama08You are not alone in those thoughts. Many of us are worried about that. He is only going to breed more laziness. I don't work hard to give my money to lazy, non-working people who pop out kids they won't work to support.
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ConfrontationOnce again…someone who wants to say those who don't agree with Obama are racist. I guess loving your country and wanting nothing than the best for it makes us racist. Keep showing your ignorance people. It just goes to show what kind of people voted for him. Not the people with common sense…that is for sure.
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vpete69: “There are places on the internet where you can bet on how fast he will be assassinated. While I would never wish death on ANY of my country's leaders (no matter how F'd up they are), I cant ignore the fact that an assassination on a black president might lead us to another national holiday:meaning a day off work:YAY!”Shorter vpete69: I'm hoping Obama is assassinated so that I can get another day off work.Why dance around with “I cant ignore the fact that” vagueness? Just say it. and stay classy!
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My removed post was a sanitised version of an obscene PM sent to me via the LJW messaging sytstem by “unpalinized”.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
unbelievable— Race certainly was an issue in this campaign, both for those who voted for McCain, and those who voted for Obama. But it was a relatively minor issue for most, although clearly you are not among those voters.
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duplenty (Anonymous) says: “Drink it in, folks. Obama/Biden. The “long national nightmare” is 76 days away from being over.”America has to wake up before the nightmare can be over. Those of you who think that an Obama administartion will be a significant departure from the Bush administration are still asleep.
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I am truly and honestly thrilled about what it means for this country to have elected an African-American to the presidency. No doubt about it. It makes me proud to be an American, given the history of race relations in this country.I just think it's also absolutely horrible that the man elected was Obama. His only achievement was to tow the party line. We didn't elect Obama, we ascended Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi as overseers of our government.American politics have always ridden on a pendulum. It'll swing back.
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I'm glad you can at least agree it was an issue. You may think it was an issue for me. That is fine. I could care less what you think I believe. But, just for your information, once again, you know nothing about my background. Because of who I am and personal reasons, I HATE people who use race in ANY way for ANY reason. You are an american or you are NOT and american. People who use race, age, sex or any other excuse for things just make me sick. So to vote for someone to be the president of this country, with such a stupid reason, I will never understand. You can not sit there and tell me that you actually believe many people didn't do that and vote for that reason. I am not saying YOU voted for that reason. I am saying I know of many people who did. That is pure ignorance. So if you didn't vote for that reason, then why feel the need to defend yourself?
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Oh. And I do agree it was an issue for some McCain voters as well. I also believe that to be ignorant. So don't think I am only speaking to Obama voters. I am just saying there are so MANY of them.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
” That is fine. I could care less what you think I believe. “It was enough of an issue for you that you posted what is probably very erroneous information about Obama's racial ancestry. Which Aryan Nation website did you cull that from?
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powershopper (Anonymous) says…
Unbelievable — Obama's father looks pretty black to me. He is also African. Kenya is in Africa and Obama is American. Since his (Obama's) father is African, in my book, that would make Obama HALF African-American. Answer this question for me: Are Northern Africans African of are they Arab, or are they Arab-Africans. If an Egyptian is actually an American then would he be an Arab-African American, an African American, an Arab American, or perhaps an African-Arab American? In the end, he is American though, right? Dolt.
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Contrary to the example set by many liberals in 2000, I will not be moving to Canada nor will I require psychological counseling to cope with my deep depression. I have no anger (unlike most of the libs on this forum) for Barack and will work diligently to ensure his agenda is held in check as long as I can. I will definitely be looking into tax shelters, ensuring that my salary does not top the magic threshold (wherever that is set) so I don't pay any additional taxes (I'll make sure that I'm remunerated in other ways of intangible dollar value), and keep an eye out for the “tests” that Biden promised would be coming from our enemies abroad within a year after they take the White House.Conservatives, true conservatives, fight in the arena of ideas not through invective and vitriol as the liberals do. The battle is new and gladly joined by those that are going to rebuild our party. This is the only glimmer of anything positive from my point of view: all of the moderate Senators of the NE have been booted. We can now start a new “Reagan revolution” for 2010 and beyond.
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unbelievable (Anonymous) says…
The point is posting that is to point out that those who voted for him because he is “black” don't have an effing clue. Exactly my point. But, obviously, these things are to complicated for you people. Just go about your ignorant and foolish lives. Things that make sense will only confuse you. Oh, and to powershopper, look things up and answer that question for yourself. If you can't figure it out with the facts of things, then nothing I say will make sense to you either. Especially if the way someone “looks” tells you everything you need to know. How foolish.
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logicsound04Yes, you are right. There is no point in talking to those people.
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unbe: “Because of who I am and personal reasons, I HATE people who use race in ANY way for ANY reason.”Right. And that is why you were able to break down the percentage of Obama's heritage down to the quarter of a percent, because race doesn't matter to you. You aren't fooling anyone. Marion, don't worry, you still have your guns and religion to cling to. Oh wait, that is right, you aren't religious. So at least you have your guns — although someone will be stopping by to pick them up on January 21st. hahahahahaDon't be such a hater.
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unbelievable — Black is Black my friend. Arab, well, that defines the language someone speaks unless your are living in the 7th century when there actually was an Arabia. I have looked it up, and I have studied it, including a minor in Arab Thought and Identity. You really don't seem to have a clue as to what you write. In the end, yes, there probably were some people who voted for him because he is African-American; however, you should give the electorate more credit as a majority likely based their decision on a myriad of issues, race being only one of them.What I am having a hard time understanding is that you are, in fact, the one injecting race into the debate. I am merely pointing out your fallicies. Once again, I ask you: An American is an American, right?
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unbelievable_troll:Funny how you say race shouldn't be an issue, and that “I HATE people who use race in ANY way for ANY reason”… yet in your first post under your latest multiple username, you exhaust an entire paragraph detailing the racial and ethnic background of President-Elect Obama, his father, and his father's father.Hypocrite, much?Presumably, if there were so many people voting for President-Elect Obama, simply because of the color of his skin… then why did Alan Keyes drop out of the race so early? Shouldn't he have garnered a significant portion of support from these folks, since his skin is black, as well?Logic and critical thinking don't seem to be your strong points. Maybe you should sign up for another four or five usernames to give yourself something more to do, a few more distractions…Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.grassrootsindependent.blogspot.com
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Yesterday while surfing the web, I came across a poem written around 70 years ago by the great hometown hero, Langston Hughes.It is titled “Let America Be America Again” and can be found at poets.org if anyone cares to look it up. It pretty well sums up what I felt about winning the election last night.
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Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says:”I will do nothing to impede the progress of the Obamination, in fact, the faster his plans are imposed on the American people, the faster the country will be driven to the ruin to which it must go before the American public comes to its senses.”In the meantime, there is going to be a lot of money to be made with those who know how, especially since the entire business climate will radically change, creating misery and suffering, the like of which has not been seen since the Great Depression.”Can't stop it and can't do anything about it, so might as well make money from it.”___________________________________________________Wow. So, just to double-check:When a “liberal” or “democrat” says something that you and your ilk might consider to be wishing for the defeat of America, wishing for the worst, etc…. then that's bad…but when ***YOU*** express similar sentiments, and wish for the downfall of your nation… that's just “good business?”I guess you'll have plenty of things to do, what with your ongoing bulk mailer scams, phishing scams, and other questionable email ventures and web sites.Let's just hope Lance Atkinson and Jody Smith don't start singing like Caruso…http://ftc.gov/opa/2008/10/herbalkings.shtm—Ag
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TacoBob (Anonymous) says…
Color - not an issue.Just deliver the results promised. Starting January , if not now. Plan your work, work your plan.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
Obama is not the first black candidate for president— he wasn't even the only one in this election. But he is the first one ever elected, and his race was certainly not the primary reason.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Agnostick (Anonymous) says: :”Wow. So, just to double-check:When a “liberal” or “democrat” says something that you and your ilk might consider to be wishing for the defeat of America, wishing for the worst, etc:. then that's bad:but when ***YOU*** express similar sentiments, and wish for the downfall of your nation: that's just “good business?”Marion wrties:Nope; I wouldn't wish the impending disasters on even you but they are going to happen and there is nothing that we can do to stop them, so my thought is to get it over with as soon as possible so that this great nation can be re-taken by those who truly care about it.Kind of like pulling a tooth…get it done fast; less painful that way.
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akt2 (Anonymous) says…
Kansas went to McCain. We will just regroup and get ready for 2012. Four years isn't that long.
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What IS the matter with Kansas anyway?
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
Okay, so Marion, what “disasters” are we talking about, specifically? Given the current state of the economy… the wheels that were set in motion many, many weeks ago… back when “President-Elect Obama” was still “Senator Obama”… exactly how would you differentiate something that might occur in September 2009 as being something “Obama-caused,” rather than “Bush-caused?” What's your criteria?What inside information do you have that such things will happen?Do natural disasters “count?”What happens if things actually get better?
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Meanwhile, Marion's favorite candidate apparently shares the same views as Marion…http://donklephant.com/2008/11/05/ralph-nader-calls-obama-an-uncle-tom/Quite the day.You *did* see that link I posted earlier, I hope… the link to that old episode of “Wonder Woman,” where they clone ol' Adolph? That's gotta provide you at least as much “stimulation” as your old, worn-out videotape of “Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS”
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Weather forcast for November 5, 2008:A cold front will be moving through in the next couple of days, followed by falling skies due to the election of Barack Obama as the next president of the US. Conservatives are encouraged to seek shelter in underground bunkers until such time that Sarah Palin makes a run for president.
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mom_of_three (Anonymous) says…
all these doom and gloom predictions because a democrat was elected.
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temperance (Anonymous) says: “I'm taking a few minutes this morning to read some of the conservative blogs (NRO, RedState, etc.). They're so dejected, defeated, and angry. You can almost hear the tears. It's really putting a spring in my step.”Funny, here at work all the Obama supporters are frantically running around defending their vote and the conservatives are enjoying it all immensely, most of us laughing our butts off.**************************unbelievable (Anonymous) says: “Wow. It is unbelievable to see how many people voted with such lack of knowledge.”Sorry, but I refuse to call it that, on either side. It has been dogma from the left for years that anyone who supported the current president must not understand the issues, a fallacy I refuse to return in kind.It is unquestionable that president-elect Obama is a redistributionist. I don't think people failed to understand that, there are plenty of people that believe that is the way to true social justice and equality, and that is how they voted. I likewise don't believe that people didn't understand that the surge in Iraq was working, some people just didn't think it mattered, that the war shouldn't have been going on at all, and that is how they voted. People have differences of opinion, and that doesn't mean one or the other is less intelligent, because there simply is no objective right or wrong to some questions. I firmly believe that almost everyone in this country wants most of the same things. We all want everyone to have quality healthcare, we all want the poor to be taken care of and helped to improve their place in life, we all want national security and a workable energy policy and better education for our kids. There are huge differences of opinion on the best ways to accomplish those things, but that *IS* one of the things that makes our country a great one.Yes, there are plenty of people on both sides who voted the pure, ideological party line. And yes, I'm sure that there are plenty of people who were just blindly stupid again, on both sides. But those things tend to cancel out, and I'd like to believe that most people voted the issues. I do think the people who voted solely for change, just for the sake of change, were incredibly naÃive that's how we got the horrific years that followed the 1976 election. And I think those who believed that president-elect Obama will end partisanship and bring unity didn't pay much attention to a record that reflects an absolute absence of challenging his own party line and whose campaign was built solidly on linking his opponent to the current administration and attacking that party (incidentally I didn't have much faith in senator McCain's ability to do so either). But again, I think most people understood the issues and made their choices appropriately, and only time will tell if things get better or worse as a result.
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The Chosen One needs to increase taxes in part to cover his much larger secret service detail. Sure. America loves Obama, and Obama says. “I love you back”.
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I voted for Obama because he, much more so than John McCain, appeared to be the candidate who will have a greater focus on the long-term trajectory of our country. I just find it difficult to take conservatives seriously when they advocate for alternative and new energy sources, which is the only way we are going to continue to be a leader as a country in this world. And this is especially so when I hear 'drill, baby, drill.' 'It isn't 'invent and develop, baby, invent and develop,' which is what I think we need to be doing, rather than merely intensifying our use of orthodox energy sources. McCain is also a member of the conservative elite who feels that an unregulated top-down economic strategy, which is what is currently failing, is the way to go. I fundamentally disagree. I voted for Obama because he seems like the real deal. It was refreshing, yet, disappointing to finally see the real John McCain last night during his concession speech. He might have had a better chance had he been truer to himself throughout his campaign.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
So are you and all your ideological brethren going to spend the next 4-8 years making not-so-subtle death threats against Obama, Tom?
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
Marion, the only given is that you have failed, and failed dramatically, Your family name, your country, your party, your bankruptcy judge, and even your spammer friends.
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unbelievable_troll: “Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.”This sentence, and the type of thinking it represents, is why your side lost. Most of America could care less about racial pedigrees, percentages, and race purity. At best, it's boring. At worst, it harks back to 19th century debates about the “one drop rule,” “octoroons” & “mulattoes,” and eugenics.And why are you still insisting on using his middle name? The attempt to connect him rhetorically to Saddam Hussein obviously failed, so maybe you should let go of the middle name thing. You're just embarrassing yourself. Listen for the emphasis: “George *walker* Bush!” Do you hear how dumb that sounds?*****Nice posts Beatrice (as always . . .)
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offtotheright (Anonymous) says:You leftwit democrats are ignorant!Better hold on to that 401K. Oh wait:most dems don't have 401k's! Losers!_____________________________________________________Funny you should mention that… because 401K is one of the main reasons I ended up voting for President-Elect Obama.During the 2nd presidential debate, Senator McCain suggested that the federal government needed a “spending freeze” to address the mounting budget deficits and national debt; a day or two later, while out on the campaign trail, McCain suggested that the federal government should buy up all the “bad mortgages” floating around out there, and then the Fed could renegotiate more manageable terms with the homeowners. So, in essence, a “spending freeze” one day, a “buying spree” the next.Am I the only one who sees that thought process as “erratic?”It was also during the 2nd presidential debate, I believe, that I first heard of President-Elect Obama's economic stimulus plan: To allow citizens a **one-time withdrawl** from their own retirement plans… to address whatever economic challenges they had in their own families, in their own lives. The cap on that withdrawl was something like 15% of the total, or $10,000, whatever comes first (something like that, I don't have the specifics).Think about it…1) This is not “federal money” that the government will pay out, thus driving up the deficit even higher—this is money that's already “yours”… you just get early access to some of it.2) Rather than have some formulaic amount ($600 per adult, $300 for each dependent), Obama's plan lets **YOU** decide how much you need, within reason. That means you have to sit down, do some planning, ask yourself some tough questions: Should I pay down a credit card? Pay off a vehicle? How close am I to retirement?Earlier this year, my wife and I received @ $1500 as part of that “stimulus” plan. Yes, it was nice… but isn't $10,000 so much more meaningful? Isn't that an amount that you're more likely to actually “do something” with? Pay off a credit card, a vehicle… buy that fuel-efficient used car you've had your eye on? Maybe even put some money down on a reasonably-priced house?[more]
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I started the year rooting for Ron Paul; when he bailed out, I took my time, decided to wait. I hoped that Obama would choose Chuck Hagel for a running mate; when he didn't, I was disappointed. I watched McCain, and hoped he would choose Tom Ridge, Lieberman, even Hillary as a running mate; when he didn't, I was disappointed. The conventions rolled by, I watched the speeches at each one. I watched all the debates. I also considered Nader, Barr, McKinney… none of which really fired me up.McCain spent the primary season wooing moderates, centrists, independents; when he had the nomination, he abandoned us. Meanwhile, Obama spoke in measured tones, spoke of the necessity of coming together, tossing out the red/blue dualistic mindset, and getting back to “red, white and blue America.”“We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. This too is part of America's promise - the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.”http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94087570Find the middle. Unite, rather than divide. Center, center, center.That's an encapsulation of my 2008 political journey.You may not agree with me, but can anyone really say that I didn't put some thought into this?—Ag
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Bozo, are denying that Obama had SS earlier, more of it, and will continue to? And that would be four years, forget about eight, not going to happen–promise.My 15 and 17 yr old boys just told me all seniors (18 yr olds) voted for Obama and the person we were with at the time reaffirmed the same from his kids school. This is the President of the United States of America we're voting for, not the MTV awards. No further comment needed.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
beatrice(anonymous) says….” So at least you have your guns - although someone will be stopping by to pick them up on January 21st. hahahahaha”Marion writes:I thought that Barack Hussein Obama was not a gun grabber?
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
There will be many “slip-ups” over the next four years, Marion. Good jab at the overwraught beatrice.
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tangential_reasoners_anonymous (Anonymous) says…
Having caught that victory speech last night, all I can say is…Barack H. Obama is NO George W. Bush.
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deskboy04 (Anonymous) says…
I work hard for my money and Mr. Obama has promised me a tax cut…so I'll get to keep more of what I have earned. The people who benefited from the Bush tax cuts may not be so lucky!
5 November 2008
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tangential_reasoners_anonymous (Anonymous) says…
Oh, wait, I can say something else… McCain spent so much time pandering to the lowest common denominator among his constituency that, even mid-speech in his gracious concession, he could not suppress the petty moaning and groaning of his *supportive* audience. What a disappointing exit for a man who could have risen above that *cess*.
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
Marion, I was just trying to amp up your desperation, playing off your previous paranoid rantings about Obama taking away the right to own. Obviously Obama is going to leave your guns alone. I'm making fun of you.Tom, I could have sworn you said America wouldn't elect a Black man. Guess you were wrong on that one. More votes than anyone for President ever. Also, the correct word to describe me today is “happy,” not overwraught. I think Obama was the much better choice for president and I wish him the greatest success. May he fix those things Bush messed up, and may he help guide our nation toward prosperity during these troubled times. Remember, those on my side never called him the Messiah — that was your side. We just called him Senator Obama, then elected him for a higher office. We wish him the best and will support his efforts. Now that it is over and we are all wishing him well, when do the debates start for the next election?
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says: “I voted for Obama because he, much more so than John McCain, appeared to be the candidate who will have a greater focus on the long-term trajectory of our country.”I agree with you but only as it pertains to some issues. With energy policy, I agree that drilling is a short-term solution and long-term needs a more comprehensive package (however I disagree that McCain's plan was drill-only). On the economy, I think the top-down approach is better for growing the economy and in the long-term it's better for the people at the bottom (although those people don't benefit as much in the short-term). The top-down approach has never really been demonstrated, though, since you have to hold down or even cut spending at the same time to make it work. Depending on the issue, I think the Democrats have a better long-term view on some things and Republicans on others. And again I'll restate that I think we all eventually want to end up in the same place, the differences arise on the best route to get there.
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
“….when do the debates start for the next election?” -BeatriceI think I feel sick. Your'e OK Beatrice. Congats on the win!
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Akreed (Anonymous) says…
I can only hope that with all the “Hope” and “Change” going around that they also spread a little civility. A lot of you people are pretty ridiculous with your lack of any kind of consideration for each other.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
I notice that in California; a state which went for Barack Hussein Obama in the election, just outlawed gay marriage.I thought Obama people were all about civil rights and equality for all?The first of the lies of the Brave New World Order!
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
Marion, I understand you and how your little mind works. Believe it or not Obama was elected President, not dictator. and as President he assumes office 20, 2009. Further since you lack the brains to think, the people of California voted this in. All it proves is they are as ignorant as you. And once more, it's obvious you have personal problem with me. wonder why. could it be the simple fact your great skills can't figure out who I am? Remember your brilliant fiasco when you posted my IP? Or is it simply the fact that I have no use for you?I know, I shouldn't be surprised at the absolute ignorance and hatred the anti-Obama people are venting on the various posts.
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tangential_reasoners_anonymous (Anonymous) says…
Marion says…” … O b a m a _ p e o p l e … ”
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JHOK32 (Anonymous) says…
It was one of the saddest days in American history when W. Bush took office. He is a spoiled rich kid who's daddy bought him the white house. Instead of serving his country during the Vietnam war, like McCain did, he was out partying and taking full advantage of his family's wealth & daddy's influence, yet he had no problem sending thousands of our best kids to their deaths to benefit his big oil buddies (Cheney included) all in the name of record big oil profits. The American people have now stood up & overwhelmingly kicked the Republicans out of power. The vast majority of Americans are sick of W and his billionaire buddies. We now have a new hope for the little guys, the “other” America which W completely ignored. Bush will leave office with Trillions of dollars in National debt (that means we get to pay for it), two unfinished wars (that he started), an economy that's in the worst condition since the great depression, no respect from the rest of the world, and yet there are still die-hard Republicans out there saying beware of Obama?…..unbelievable!
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AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says…
Marion, it is not the first lie, You have that honor, you are the first liar of the brighter future, but even your pathetic ignorance can not dampen the flame the lights the way for a new beginning.
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
NAJ: I would go for regulated and transparent top-down economics, but with no checks and balances for that sort of system, I think I would rather have a bottom or middle-up strategy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we cannot trust people in government to function scrupulously without checks and balances, then what sense does it make to deregulate the financial system and expect people to behave?I guess I don't know which is worse, a top-down strategy that puts more money in the pockets of big business and not necessarily the middle class, or a bottom-up strategy that puts money in the pockets of the middle class. In the first scenario, companies might have better ability and incentive to hire employees (or enjoy multimillion-dollar bonuses), but in the second scenario, the social class to which those employees generally belong also needs money to support those big businesses by purchasing their goods and services.You are definitely more economically-savvy than myself, but that is how I am interpreting the scenarios.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
AjiDeGallina (Anonymous) says: Marion, it is not the first lie,You have that honor, you are the first liar of the brighter future, but even your pathetic ignorance can not dampen the flame the lights the way for a new beginning.”Marion wrties:My, aren't all florid'n stuff?Bahahahahahahahahahahaha!”…the flame the lights the way for a new beginning.”Ohmigawd; you made me spill my coffee with that one!How about, “The flame that is going to burn your a** when you least expect it?”The “flame” of the Obamination is like a campfire in a dry pine forest…it burns safely for a while then suddenly flashes through the treetops turning everything below to cinders.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…
Kevin, it's a 3 way race as to who is the more ignorant and/or racist between you, Marion and Tom. I vote for Tom, with you other 2 a very close 2nd.
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Esq2eB (Anonymous) says…
So Dark The Con of Man
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pity2bu (Anonymous) says…
Why is it that the Obama Mama's motto was Yes we can, Change We need. During his elected speech last night I started laughing as Obama began backing out of quite a few of his promises….Oh well just like a Democrat, A bunch of hot air and no action…..Now its time to kick back, prop my feet up and drink a beer because this is going to be a fantastic horse and pony show! We will be laughing and you won't see us standing at the court house protesting and whining every saturday like the Democrats. But thanks to our Republican Military that gave you the right to protest and whine….Gotta drink another beer to that one!
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
Koolaid Kevin:The winters don't get too cold down in Texas, but when they do, they're fun! Luckily, you probably have plenty of leftover copies of your Clinton porn books. Should give you enough fireplace kindling for 10-15 years.Good luck with your move. I hear there's some property out in Eldorado that you and your fellow refugees could buy in on.—Ag
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
“Blacks have proven to be much more racist than whites. Recent vote with 96% of Blacks voting for Obama with most only voting because of the color of his skin.”Um, Kool? How many of those same black voters voted for Kerry? For Gore? There's a very obvious reason why black voters voted for Obama and why Republican/conservative voters didn't, a pattern that can be seen for many past elections:He's a Democrat.*********************Redwood;Again, I don't know that there is a 'right' or 'wrong' option. I don't think either one has ever been tried in its strictest sense, and most of the combinations that have been tried have - well, you can see where we are now. There are problems with both systems - the top down approach takes a while for the money to get to the bottom, and there's no guarantee that it will. With the bottom up approach, you have a couple of ways to pay for it - more taxes on the rich, or increased debt. With the former, it's not sustainable - eventually there's nothing left to tax. With the latter you end up paying off debt forever, which takes money out of the economy without adding value to anything. (Even with the top-down approach, you have to find a way to pay for it, and raising taxes isn't an option - you have to cut spending or, again, increase debt.)I seriously doubt I'm more economically savvy than you, or most anyone else here - just like you, this is just my own understanding of it. It's been a long time and a couple of career changes since my business degree.
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…
This still going on, then? Has the tone shifted at all since yesterday evening?
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slang4d (Anonymous) says…
People (ahem, mostly liberal people) have said some interesting and thought-provoking things on these boards. The “other side” is half-full of nutjobs. It's impossible to engage them in an intelligent discussion, so why even try? They truly believe these ridiculous things they write and we should just let them do it….and then laugh in their faces when they are proven wrong eight years from now. Ignore them. I'll repeat: ignore them. Nothing you will say will change their mind- it will only serve to embolden them.
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
Los Angeles:Obama supporters rule out gay marriage:http://www.cnn.com/2008/politics/11/05/state.laws/index.html”Los Angeles stops issuing marriage licenses to gay couplesBy Emanuella Grinbergcnn(cnn) — The Los Angeles County Registrar's Office stopped issuing same-sex marriage licenses after a majority of voters approved a ballot measure to eliminate the right of gay couples to marry, the agency said Wednesday.As of 11:30 p.m. ET, 52 percent of voters had approved California's Proposition 8, with 99 percent of precincts reporting.The amendment to the state constitution overrides a state Supreme Court ruling in May that legalized same-sex marriage.The decision was based on the Secretary of State's Semi-Official canvass results from Election Night and a California State Constitutional provision that says a proposed amendment “shall be submitted to the electors and if approved by a majority of votes thereon takes effect the day after the election,” Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk Dean Logan said in a news release.The agency said it would act accordingly if it is directed to reverse course or take further action in the future.The measure was one of three stunning blows to supporters of same-sex unions in Tuesday's election, after voters in Arizona and Florida also approved constitutional amendments recognizing marriage only as a union between one man and one woman.In Arizona, where a similar measure failed in 2006, Proposition 102 passed with 56 percent of the vote. Florida voters approved that state's amendment, 62 percent to 38 percent. Watch where ballot initiatives succeeded and failed »Arizona, California and Florida were the only states to weigh constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions this year, down from 11 states in the 2004 election.But voters faced other hot-button social issues Tuesday, from abortion and affirmative action to suicide and animal rights.As of Wednesday, CNN had projected results on most major initiatives, based on actual results and exit poll data from key areas.Fifty-seven percent of voters in Arkansas supported a measure to prohibit unmarried sexual partners from adopting children or from serving as foster parents. The measure specifies that the prohibition applies to opposite-sex as well as same-sex couples”
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
And Florida, that home away from home for Barack Hussein Obama…………………………..well, you know………………………………………………You have been sold a bill of goods.
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
“Arizona, California and Florida were the only states to weigh constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions this year, down from 11 states in the 2004 election.”Well, you know, we're running out of states that haven't already passed one.”Fifty-seven percent of voters in Arkansas supported a measure to prohibit unmarried sexual partners from adopting children or from serving as foster parents. The measure specifies that the prohibition applies to opposite-sex as well as same-sex couples”And yet, on the ballot measures page, CNN has that one labeled “Ban on Gay Couples Adopting Children.” Nothing like unbiased reporting from Ted Turner's flagship.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
I don't agree with that 52% of Californians… but the voters have had their say, and that is how it will have to be, until another proposition makes it to the ballot, or until the state Supreme Court rules it unconstitutional. I'm not sure where that all will stop.That being said…I think those law-abiding couples that took advantage of the law, in their favor, for the past 4-6 months… procured the marriage license, and got married…Leave. Them. Alone.If they made the **legal** law-abiding effort to get married when they could… no state or proposition of any sort should nullify that.This is a temporary setback; inevitably, logic will prevail.—Ag
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
beatrice (Anonymous) says: “Now that it is over and we are all wishing him well, when do the debates start for the next election?”I heard this morning that there are already people declaring for the next presidential race. I'm not planning on leaving the country or anything just because a Democrat was elected. But I just might if I have to endure a four-year election process with no break from the two-year one we just had!!!!!!!!!!*************************I know I said earlier that “People have differences of opinion, and that doesn't mean one or the other is less intelligent.” I may have been wrong. I know we're talking about a state that elected a professional wrestler as its governor, but is Al Franken seriously virtually tied and has a chance to win the Senate race?
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
NAJ: Well, that's one advantage you have over me; you have a business degree. The closest I ever came to anything in that realm was an introductory accounting class, and honestly, it made my brain want to jump out of my head and run away screaming. I can operate in the mathematical realm, but that stuff was just waaay to abstract and jargon-laden for my interests. Thanks for the info, though.
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…
slang4d (Anonymous) says:”Ignore them.I'll repeat: ignore them.” I dunno… sounds risky.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…
notajayhawk (Anonymous) says:”I know I said earlier that “People have differences of opinion, and that doesn't mean one or the other is less intelligent.” I may have been wrong. I know we're talking about a state that elected a professional wrestler as its governor, but is Al Franken seriously virtually tied and has a chance to win the Senate race?”___________________________________________________Yes. State of Minnesota. Same state that put a retired professional wrestler in the Governor's Mansion.Do the math. :p
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
At least Ventura had also been a Navy SEAL and some other things - Franken wasn't even a good comedienne!
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RedwoodCoast (Anonymous) says…
Hey, now, you're underestimating daily affirmations!!!But really, I'll bet Franken isn't a dumb guy. Electing Rush Limbaugh would be worse, in my opinion. We all know he's a big fat idiot.
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BBFantastic (Anonymous) says…
Yay! Yay! Yay!! 'Bout time!
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bolshavik_vw (Anonymous) says…
yes we did! And it was so awesome. It is for all us here at home. And all of you throughout the world.Celebrate with us. We got rid of a big loser w!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah it does feel free and wonderful. I feel like a BIG weight has been lifted off and now I am able to move about the world to seek peace and harmony with all the people. It is a great day in America. And to think my big fat bush like boss asked me how my day off was on Nov 4th. I was like great now that we, won! And let me tell you I was not including him in to my group at all.
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We !
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…
I just noticed that the final RCP average was pretty much right on the money - now that's a change. Not too surprisingly, the CBS and ABC/Washington Post polls were high at 9%. Somewhat surprisingly, the ones that overestimated the victory the most were Gallup and Reuters/Zogby at 11%. And guess what - two of the polls that most people would have thought biased one way or the other, CNN and Fox, were dead on at 7%.I'm not sure if this is good news or bad news. People will have more faith in the polls from now on, and if there's another big discrepancy between polls and vote totals next time, people will once again assume vote tampering.