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Slim majority support offshore drilling

July 31, 2008

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— As gas prices remain above $4 a gallon, Californians are more open to the idea of off-shore drilling for oil than they have been in the past.

A slim majority - 51 percent to 45 percent - approve of offshore drilling, according to a survey by the Public Policy Institute of California. It's the first time since PPIC began asking the question in 2003 that more residents favor drilling than oppose. Just a year ago, only 41 percent favored drilling.

Still, the issue appears driven by partisan inclinations. More than three-quarters - 77 percent - of Republicans support offshore oil drilling, up from 60 percent a year ago. Only 35 percent of Democrats approve drilling, but that's also up, from 29 percent a year ago. Less than half of independents - 44 percent are in favor, up from 33 percent last year.

"With oil drilling being a politicized issue this year, it's not surprising that the bulk of growth occurred among Republicans," said Sonja Petek, the project manager for the survey.

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

Jaywalker - What I mean by 'propping up the Middle East regimes' is that we live in a global economy, oil is a commodity, and the middle east produces a majority of oil on the world market. Therefore as long as we consume oil, no matter where the source, the demand will be felt and the result will be high prices and bizillions (sorry to borrow from bushies vocabulary) of dollars flowing into the middle east. If we can get off oil, the resulting drop in demand will lower the price on the world market and also lower the total $$ flowing to these regimes. Plus if we become the leader in clean, alternative energy, we will be able to export these technologies worldwide, impacting demand for oil further, and making the good old USA super donald trump rich. Sounds like a good goal to have.

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jaywalker 5 years, 8 months ago

SF,Look, I'm with ya for cleaner and renewable alternatives. But we're nowhere close to a nationwide solution and oil will have to be utilized until we do come up with something. So while we're creating these alternatives we also need to be doing the obvious. I haven't done in-depth research on this, and it seems to differ dependent on who you listen to, but from what I understand we have plenty of oil and gas in our country to eliminate foreign dependence. And I'm curious what you mean by 'propping up the Middle East regimes' when we drill our own. Sincerely, how would that be the case?

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invictus 5 years, 8 months ago

That's about right, only a slim majority of Americans are intelligent.

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marcdeveraux 5 years, 8 months ago

stay on subject cato and echos. if you can not pay attention to the subject at hand ,why not go watch more fox news.Your views are 20th century.

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bad_dog 5 years, 8 months ago

"The messiah said that if we all put air in our tires we would not have to drill for more oil."-barrypThe messiah also said we could inflate those tires by borrowing some of the air perpetually residing in the cavity between your ears...

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barrypenders 5 years, 8 months ago

sfjayhawk put more air in your tires.

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

I do push my lawn mower actually, but alas, I still do drive a car and fly a lot, and probably have a pretty hefty carbon footprint. I am not one that advocates using less energy, I just think we should make energy in cleaner, better ways. I think oil is not the answer. There is a finite amount,it is dirty and expensive to harvest and use, and our dependence on it keeps us embroiled in the morass of the middle east. I believe that we can make energy in better ways. If we put the kind of effort and money behind cleaner energy that can be made domestically rather than drilling for more oil we could really make this work. This is a reflection in my believe in the American 'can do' spirit that we have seen time and aging during moments of crisis, and my faith in the American entrepreneur. Think about how much money we could make, no more sending $600 Billion a year to the middle east!

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justfornow 5 years, 8 months ago

sfjayhawk, So your pushing your lawnmower and car to the curb, shutting your eletcric box to your house off? Or maybe you already have.

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barrypenders 5 years, 8 months ago

The messiah said that if we all put air in our tires we would not have to drill for more oil.

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

jaywalker - to me it is obvious that it will take a ton of energy and money to drill offshore for minimal gain, and that energy and money would be better used to advance alternatives. There is also no doubt that the longer we stay on oil, even if we drill more of our own, we will be propping up regimes in the middle east that threaten our security. So for me, getting off oil kills 2 birds with one stone - it improves the environment and gets us out of middle east politics. How great would that be!

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justfornow 5 years, 8 months ago

Today's news Slim majority support offshore drilling where as Fat minority does not.

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jaywalker 5 years, 8 months ago

sf,Nope, hadn't read your earlier post, so we're agreed that 'sanctuary' is ridiculous. But I never argued that places like SF are more diverse than small town America, and I don't get what that has to do with anything being discussed here.Drilling off CA coast by itself won't solve the problems, but why should we back away from any resources we have? I do believe we need alternatives, and the full court press should have began a long time ago. But I think it's ridiculous to think we'll ever fully stop using oil as long as we have some. We need other sources along with oil. If the oil is there, lets get it.

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salad 5 years, 8 months ago

We cannot drill ourselves out of expensive gasoline. BTW, I don't understand why all the conservatives are crowing about govt. intervention??? Shouldn't we let market forces provide the insentive to find more oil on the available land oil companies already have access too???

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

Jaywalker - if you read my erlier post, you would see that I, for one, agree that the sanctuary concept was not one of Gavin Newsoms better ideas, in fact - it was a total failure. But you cant argue the fact that San Francisco, and other metropolitan areas have much different outlooks than most rural folks. Not that one is better, just different. On the one hand you have culture, art, economy, innovation, venture capitol, diversity etc, on the other hand you have corn and guns and jeasus. Big differences. Back to the article - does anyone really believe that drilling off the coast of CA will somehow solve our energy problems? Is it not better to, as Arnold suggests look" toward greater innovation in new technologies and new fuel choices for consumers. That is the way we will ultimately reduce fuel costs and also protect our environment."

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jaywalker 5 years, 8 months ago

"My guess is that the people of San Francisco look at the full body of Gavin Newsoms work in public life and have decided that on balance, he has been well above average - especially his commitment to stand up for civil rights. "Excepting, of course, the poor mother who just lost her husband and two children. How 'bout that families civil rights. Think she's enjoying how cultural and international SF is now?'Bold politician'? You mean it's bold to offer sanctuary to illegals? What the....

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acg 5 years, 8 months ago

I saw a dude on the news last night say that if we drilled offshore of California, we can expect a total yield of 9.97 billion gallons of oil, and breaking that into the 20.7 million barrels, per day, that Americans use, we would burn thru the yield in 16 to 18 months. It would cost a small fortune to set up the drilling, it would take more than 5 years to start actually producing oil and the end result would be $.25 less per gallon for the American consumer in about 5 to 7 years that would only last a few months. WTH is the point? I am a liberal, gasp, but not an environmental nut. I'm not worried about the precious rare whatever that may be endangered in order for us to do what we have to do in this world so that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is there seems to be no point in drilling off of CA if the yield is going to be so little. It doesn't make sense from a cost vs. benefit analysis.

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JHOK32 5 years, 8 months ago

Exxon-Mobil announced record profits today of $11 Billion dollars! The most record profit in U.S. history! Its CEO makes 21 Million dollars a year, while poor people are getting their measly benefits cut. Bush will leave office with a $500 Billion dollar deficit that you and I will pay for! I know, lets blame Obama for this gigantic mess!

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

cato - you are totally entitled to your opinion. My guess is that the people of San Francisco look at the full body of Gavin Newsoms work in public life and have decided that on balance, he has been well above average - especially his commitment to stand up for civil rights. You should remember that San Francisco is a much different place than small town America, and not likely to be of the same mindset as rural people. It has things like culture and large banks and international corporations (Bechtel for instance) and a diverse population. Much different than most of the fly over states. I would guess that most people in San Francisco would find many of the opinions and attitudes of rural America pretty sickening as well. Back to the article - do you think that if we do drill off the coast of CA that it will change anything or help us get off of oil?

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madmike 5 years, 8 months ago

As for Newsom, hope for the big quake!

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

SF, the fact that Newsom is still "hugely popular" in San Francisco is sickening, but, sadly, not at all surprising.

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

Cato - I agree that Gavin Newsom made a big mistake on the sanctuary issue. No question about it. I guess thats what happens to bold politicians, eventually they go too far. He is still hugely popular in San Francisco and a likely future governor of CA. Plus he has a super hot wife and hangs with the Google guys, not bad company to keep. He will always be remembered for being on the forefront of one of the last civil rights issues, not a bad legacy. Anyway, back to the subject of this article - I just cant see anyone actually approving drilling off CAs coast, my guess is that it would be political suicide. I think that Arnold's leadership on energy issues has been pretty much terrific, and I applaud him for standing up to the federal government over issues like minimum fuel standards and lower emissions. Probably the only republican to ever stand up to big oil and the failing American auto makers. Bravo Arnold!

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marcdeveraux 5 years, 8 months ago

Gee, some of these supporters just do not connect the dots. Gasoline use is a factor in climate change. period.We must cut the use petro fuels and move to alternative sources. Dick and george probably have had this planned since day one. The offshore and anwar drilling are the last to big bones to trow to our overlords, the oil companies. The fact is every one is helping the arab countries everytime we fill up. cut use, move to propane and then electric and hydrogen. Just as T. Boone Pickens says.

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scott3460 5 years, 8 months ago

So bush and his business buddies manipulate the oil market so that we all get to pay exorbinant prices for two years, then they come in and use the high prices to justifiy more supply for our addiction. A NASA like government investment in post fossil fuel burning energy makes the most sense, but my guess is that they'll get away with it. For now. The next Congress is likely to change the policy. By the way, on the political front, hopefully Obama will not let the Rethugs beat him up over this. He should muddle his opposition enough that he's noncommittal or maybe even offers some murky support for studying the idea, etc.... & then let the next Congress do the dirty work of scuttling the idea when oil and gas prices, no doubt, will have returned to more normal ranges.

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salad 5 years, 8 months ago

If you plunked down the $4 billion or so it would require for me and the guys I work with to build your new refinery complex to handle all this new domestic oil, TODAY.....it would still take at least 5 years before it could be designed, permitted, built, commissioned, and come on-line. Drill if you want, but it won't change the price of oil for a long time. Conservation would make a difference NOW!!!

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BigDog 5 years, 8 months ago

This is a California poll. Below is a national poll from CNN (not exactly your right-wing oil baron news outlet) which shows the national perspective ..... quite different from this California poll.http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/energy.bill/?iref=mpstoryview

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

It's considerably more reasonable than the Mayor of San Francisco's ill-conceived statements and policies encouraging illegal aliens to travel there because they would be sheltered and wouldn't be reported to the federal immigration authorities, which resulted recently in the wanton murder of a fine man and his two sons. Everyone in your city who voted for this idiot should be very deeply ashamed.

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

"....Schwarzenegger today threw his support behind conservation and alternative fuels, instead (of off shore drilling). "We are in this situation because of our dependence on traditional petroleum-based oil," Schwarzenegger said. "The direction our nation needs to go in, and where California is already headed, is toward greater innovation in new technologies and new fuel choices for consumers. That is the way we will ultimately reduce fuel costs and also protect our environment."That is one of the most reasonable things that a republican has said in a while.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

Especially those who have married into patrician Democrat families, I'm sure.

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sfjayhawk 5 years, 8 months ago

In California, the Republican Governor is one of the top opponents to off shore drilling. The lesson here is that we need to import a lot more republicans.

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cato_the_elder 5 years, 8 months ago

It should also be emphasized that the number of people nationally who support increased drilling in all locations is significantly higher, and that congressional Democrats have so far prevented legislation on this from even being considered.

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