Kline chosen as Johnson County district attorney / LJWorld.com

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By John Hanna - Associated Press Writer

December 12, 2006

Lenexa — Republican activists picked Attorney General Phill Kline as Johnson County's new district attorney Monday night to replace the Democrat who ousted him from statewide office last month.

The tally among Republican precinct committee members who gathered at a Lenexa church was 316 for Kline to 291 for Steve Howe, who is an assistant district attorney in the state's most populous county.

In the attorney general's race last month, Kline received just 35 percent of the vote in Johnson County against five-term District Attorney Paul Morrison, a former Republican who became a Democrat to challenge Kline for the statewide office.

Despite serving four years as attorney general, Kline has almost no experience prosecuting criminal cases in district court. But he retained support of many of his fellow conservatives and abortion opponents.

"I'm not new to the cause," Kline said in a speech Monday night before the vote. "I have been tested in leadership, and you know I will stay the course."

Republicans had speculated about Kline's plans for weeks, but he didn't publicly commit to the race until he was nominated Monday night. He is a former resident of the Johnson County community of Shawnee, however, and last week he registered to vote at a Stilwell address, after living outside Topeka while serving as attorney general.

Kline isn't likely to take over as district attorney until his term as attorney general ends on Jan. 8, spokeswoman Sherriene Jones said.

Morrison had two years left on his term as district attorney. Moderate Republicans who opposed Kline's appointment worry that he won't be able to retain the district attorney's office in 2008, should he seek a full four-year term.

Andy Wollen, chairman of the moderate Kansas Traditional Republican Majority, said GOP conservatives had "stuck a finger in the eye of Johnson County voters."

"The voters sent a clear message to Phill Kline - 'you're fired,'" Wollen said after Monday night's balloting.

Morrison said he was "deeply disappointed" by the vote. But he pledged a smooth transition for Kline into the county office, saying, "public safety should be above politics."

But Mary Kay Culp, executive director of Kansans for Life, the state's largest anti-abortion group, said the "abortion industry" was unable to influence the district attorney's race. And Tim Golba, an anti-abortion activist from Lenexa who voted Monday night, said Kline "has proven he will uphold all the laws, no matter what the cost."

Kevin Anderson/Shawnee Dispatch Photo

Phill Kline gives a thank-you speech after being chosen as the new district attorney for Johnson County. Kline was elected by Republican precinct committee members Monday night in Lenexa.

As attorney general, Kline has waged a two-year legal battle to obtain the records of 90 patients at two Kansas abortion clinics - which became a political liability when Morrison suggested it was an invasion of the patients' privacy.

One clinic is operated in Overland Park by Planned Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri and the other in Wichita by Dr. George Tiller. Kline has said he is investigating whether the clinics performed illegal late-term abortions or failed to report sexual abuse of children.

But Kline's critics suggested he was on a fishing expedition, and Morrison said Kline's pursuit of the records represented an invasion of patients' privacy - a charge that appeared to resonate with many voters.

Before Monday night's meeting began, Howe handed out fliers describing himself as an abortion opponent and a good Republican.

"If there is evidence that there are violations of law at the abortion providers, then it is my duty to enforce that law," Howe said during a speech before the vote.

The clinics have repeatedly said they committed no wrongdoing. Peter Brownlie, Planned Parenthood's president and chief executive officer, said Monday night's vote showed many of Kline's fellow Republicans are "pursuing a radical agenda."

"Whatever the hell Kline's after, we are confident it's not going to result in anything in terms of prosecution," Brownlie said in an interview.

Though abortion was on many of the GOP activists' minds, Kline didn't mention it during any of his remarks. Afterward, he issued a statement promising to "passionately focus on the protection of our children and the vulnerable to ensure the safety of our neighborhoods and communities."

Initially, there were five potential candidates for the district attorney's job, including Kline and Howe. The others were Rick Guinn, Morrison's chief deputy; Chris McMullen, another assistant district attorney, and Olathe attorney Scott Hattrup.

But McMullen didn't put his name forward. Guinn and Hattrup were nominated but dropped out before voting started.

Guinn said in a speech before the vote that the new district attorney needed to be an experienced prosecutor who could maintain the respect the office enjoys with judges and the public.

"The office has a very solid reputation with the voting public," Guinn said. "Ask yourself: When was the last time the D.A.'s office lost a big case? I would contend it hasn't happened for a long time."

But Golba said Kline has talented staff at the attorney general's office who are likely to follow him to Johnson County.

"If they come with him, he'll have the best staff available," Golba said.

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12 December 2006
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annieinkansas (Anonymous) says…

This race, like the soccer vote, will drive moderate voters to the polls in the next election in Johnson County. It will help drive more Republicans to the Democratic Party. Watch us now turn Kansas all the way Blue.

I feel for the folks in the attorney's office between now and then…but Kline will be rejected by voters in the next election…if not on some technicality before then…

Thanks for doing this and ensuring that the Republicans are going down AGAIN in the next election.
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Baille (Anonymous) says…

A D.A. needs to not only lead an office administratively - they also have to to make tactical and strategic decisions about cases as well as actual try cases before a jury. Johnson County just got a figurehead for a D.A., and an empty one at that.

Well they get what they vote for, I guess. What a mess this is going to be.
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

Republicans gathered at a church to elect Kline. What is wrong with this picture? Wake-up GOP! This crap is just embarassing.
12 December 2006
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

politicaly speaking, this move, based on the task at hand, brings to mind the results of passed reasons that had an effect on the cause that we speak of.
During the last election, we had a result that indicated a reason for results that effected the indication of resulting reasons
12 December 2006
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

If one would read my last post, you will find that I have covered all of the important issues
12 December 2006
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WilburM (Anonymous) says…

Although not unexpected, truly amazing. JoCo R's are determined to create a powerful Democratic Party in this state. Moderate/traditional Rs must face the fact that their GOP brethren simply do not care about either winning elections or good policy. All they care about is their sainted (sic) cause.

JoCo Democrats, Cheshire-cat smiles on their faces, are already planning for 2008.
12 December 2006
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trinity (Anonymous) says…

pass me a bud lite, bud, so i can interpret your post. “passed”? perhaps you mean “past” reasons, heck if i know.

i am just totally astounded by this development; i am sooo very glad i don't live in jo co.

12 December 2006
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

No it was my passed post because it was so full of good information that most posters passed over it. Anyhow, I thank you for your support.
12 December 2006
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Lethargic_Bureaucrat (Anonymous) says…

Not only will Kline not be reelected as JoCo DA, he won't even serve the full two years. He will be recalled by JoCo voters when the dismissals for speedy trial and reversals for prosecutorial error start pouring in.
12 December 2006
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fascinating_person (Anonymous) says…

wtf.
12 December 2006
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trinity (Anonymous) says…

support is my forte bud…i just need way more coffee.

lethargic, i concur wholeheartedly.
12 December 2006
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LawSW (Anonymous) says…

When exactly was this “election.” Kline was elected by a group of “Republicans?” What the heck is THAT! In Douglas County—at least—the DA is elected by the people—all of the people! This is a gross injustice—replacing a true crime-fighter with an empty figure-head out to push his narrowly-based political agenda—does anyone remember Kline's record for anything OTHER than going after abortion clinics? What about the real criminals out there? Hello?
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truthhurts (Anonymous) says…

LawSW - the election was to decide who completed Morrison's term. Morrison left to run for AG. The Republican party votes to fulfill the term since he left in the middle of his term.

annieinkansas - the soccer vote went down in flames (as it should have).

I agree with the majority on this forum - the appointment of Kline is an embarrassment for JoCo.
12 December 2006
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…

Posted by Pilgrim: “Wow, what a bummer. The looney left thought they had gotten rid of Phill Kline, when all he really did was move from the first house on the left to the first house on the right. Poor babies.”

Phil Kline was removed by the RED state of Kansas. Kansas Democrats don't have enough votes to remove anyone. It took Republicans that have the ability to think on their own to dismiss Kline.

It is the lock-step right that is bringing him back to Johnson County.
12 December 2006
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…

Posted by right_thinker:
“Hmmmm, let's see:
JOCO vs. Lawrence
Who seems to have a better vision?”

Obviously, when it comes to Phil Kline, Lawrence and KANSAS has the better vision.
Even highly republican JOCO voted against Phil Kline.

12 December 2006
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prioress (Anonymous) says…

When exactly was this “election.” Kline was elected by a group of “Republicans?” What the heck is THAT! In Douglas County—at least—the DA is elected by the people—all of the people!
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Sorry, Charlie. This is how it's done when there is an opening and no general election is scheduled. Deep Breaths………..
12 December 2006
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heysoos (Anonymous) says…

Recall election perhaps?? Think the moderate Republicans are pissed enough to go along with it?
12 December 2006
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

You can't do a recall election on someone who has been appointed to fill a vacancy.

Thanks.

Marion.
12 December 2006
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heysoos (Anonymous) says…

Marion:

Is there somewhere this can be verified that you know of? That doesn't make much sense that someone appointed to an otherwise elected office cannot be recalled, especially when the person making the appointment is not executive level. Is there really not one person who can be held accountable for whatever Kline's performance may be like?
12 December 2006
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BigDog (Anonymous) says…

Its amazing how those who preach most about tolerance and acceptance….. are the least tolerant and accepting. hmmmmmmmmmmmm
12 December 2006
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

Good morning marion.
My view point is politicaly speaking about politics we need to find a common ground of commonality ruled by politicaly thinking about politics.

If we fundamentaly fund the aspect that politics is political, we can assume that we are correct in electing the electorial idea of elections
12 December 2006
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SpeedRacer (Anonymous) says…

People like Phil Kline don't go away…he has something up his sleeve.

By the way, I get the print copy of the LJW and am curious why the coronation of a Johnson County DA is front page top story in a Douglas County newspaper(?).
12 December 2006
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BigDog (Anonymous) says…

heysoos

You have to have grounds for recalling someone. Those who elect a person to fulfill an unexpired term are the precinct committee representatives who are elected by the members of the party.

12 December 2006
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sweetiepie (Anonymous) says…

What a slap in the face to all voters in Johnson County—Republican and Democrat! And this says so much about the Republican leaders who appointed Kline: they'd rather have someone who's unqualified and unwanted than someone who might not bow to their agenda. How sad.
12 December 2006
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Spareme (Anonymous) says…

As a spectator last evening, it was quite apparent when Philll walked in the door that he already knew he had the votes.

Prior to the voting last night, the newly elected head of the Johnson County Republican Party, Scott Schwab instructed that the precinct committee people voting that they should put country first, state second, johnson couty third and republican party last.

Apparently Mr. Schwab had checked the election results where Mr. Kline was overwhelmingly defeated in the county he is now to serve and that's why the needs of the county were listed third.

I hope Rick Guinn, the truly qualified candidate up for the job swithces parties and beats Phill in 08 as a Democrat.

Maybe then the Republican Party will get the message that Johson County residents don't want extremism shoved down their throats.
12 December 2006
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heysoos (Anonymous) says…

I just can't find anywhere that states that to be the case…I don't really care what happens in this situation, but as a voter, I would think that an undemocratic appointment might be grounds enough for a recall.

But, I also don't think you are correct that you have to have grounds for a recall. I'm pretty sure you can recall someone just because the voters think he is an acehole.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

PK just got a HUGE raise (Morrison took a $50,000 pay cut to become AG).

By the time a recall petition was finally done right, and the matter put up for a vote, it would just about be time for the next election for DA. So it would probably be a giant waste of time to pursue that course, even it it were an option. Besides, “we don't like you” is not sufficient grounds for any recall. Grounds for recall are stated in K.S.A. 25-4302:

5-4302. Grounds for recall.
Current through the 2005 Reg. Sess.

(a) Grounds for recall are conviction of a felony, misconduct in office or failure to perform duties prescribed by law. No recall submitted to the voters shall be held void because of the insufficiency of the grounds, application, or petition by which the submission was procured.

(b) As used in this section, the term 'misconduct in office' means a violation of law by the officer that impacts the officer's ability to perform the official duties of the office.

If you want to research this on your own, www.kslegislature.org lists all statutes and you can do a key word search on them, and www.kscourts.org allows key word searches on newer Kansas cases.

If you do not want political parties taken over by any one faction, or the other, the answer is to get involved locally; run for precint chairs and membership yourselves!
12 December 2006
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

This article seems to be a political article covering the election of Kline to an office. Very interesting
12 December 2006
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heysoos (Anonymous) says…

Thank you, jtf.

Aren't you glad I don't run the show?
12 December 2006
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BigDog (Anonymous) says…

Thank you justthefacts. I agree totally. The way to change things is for people to put down the remote and get involved. People can change things but not by sitting on their ass complaining.

Oh before someone says anything ….. I got off my ass and helped with four campaigns this election cycle and I am an elected precinct committeeman.
12 December 2006
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“The looney left thought they had gotten rid of Phill Kline, when all he really did was move from the first house on the left to the first house on the right.”

The looney left, eh Pilgrim? 58% of Kansas voters? No wonder none of your posts are worth the bytes you wasted typing them, you're insane, blind, and delusional.

12 December 2006
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Jamesaust (Anonymous) says…

JoCo GOP to crime victims: drop dead!
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75x55 (Anonymous) says…

hee hee hee hee….
12 December 2006
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Rationalanimal (Anonymous) says…

Given the history of Phill Kline hype on this page, and the continued venom displayed, it is fairly clear that some of you are borderline obsessed with PK. Yo, guys, he lost the election. This has gone beyond a “pound of flesh” and is now in the realm of jackals tearing the flesh of the carcass. So much for compassionate, forgiving liberals. That socialist virtue must only apply to lock-step comrades in ideaology. Let the man prosecute and fed his family.
12 December 2006
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Well, let's see…

105 counties in Kansas… right?

Kline goes from a job in which he represents 105 counties… to a job in which he represents 1 county.

So, really, I guess Pilgrim is correct. Only 99.047619047619047619047619047619% of Kansas counties were able to “get rid of” Phill Kline.

Man, that really, really bums me out…

B-O-O

H-O-O

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12 December 2006
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ksmoderate (Anonymous) says…

“Remember, universities are not there for commerce, they are there to indoctrinate young impressionable minds into Socialism (I had to throw that one in).”

RT, come on man. You're sounding like your old buddy Conservativeman. Did you flunk or get kicked out of college or something? Otherwise, why would you spew a totally asinine statement like that?
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

RationalAnimal (clearly 99.047619047619047619047619047619% “Animal” and much less than 1% “Rational”)…

Do the math. While it is fairly clear that some of you are borderline obsessed with “liberals,” it was not only “liberals” that voted against Kline. Probably some moderate, rational Republicans (and maybe even some rational “true conservatives”) also voted against him, as well.

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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

heysoos, I don't care that people get things wrong. It happens all the time. No one is perfect. What is really disheartening to me is to see how often incorrect information is said with passion born of certainty, and thus then picked up and carried as it were the whole truth based upon only facts. Thus, I merely try to provide facts on the discussed topics.

It's hard to form an opinion that isn't 99.999% pure emotional reaction without knowing as many facts as possible. And rarely do people take the time to get better informed.
12 December 2006
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prioress (Anonymous) says…

No worse than Sebelius' plan to make the BOE (elected) just an “advisory board” …..of course, that's OK, right? Sounds like a Dem owes a favor (again).
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I'll take my chances with the voters, thanks. The Gov's ideas was a bad one. Having, for example, 10 of Phil Kline's best friends on the SBOE does not thrill me.

12 December 2006
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fletch (Anonymous) says…

It's nice to see all those lessons about corruption and cronyism that came out in the last election were taken to heart by the JoCo GOP.
12 December 2006
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prioress (Anonymous) says…

But, I also don't think you are correct that you have to have grounds for a recall. I'm pretty sure you can recall someone just because the voters think he is an acehole.
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Wrong, grasshopper. If being an a**hole was grounds, the recall petitions would be flying all over the state.
25-4302
Chapter 25.—elections
Article 43.—recall of elected officials
25-4302. Grounds for recall. (a) Grounds for recall are conviction of a felony, misconduct in office or failure to perform duties prescribed by law. No recall submitted to the voters shall be held void because of the insufficiency of the grounds, application, or petition by which the submission was procured.

(b) As used in this section, the term “misconduct in office” means a violation of law by the officer that impacts the officer's ability to perform the official duties of the office.

History: L. 1976, ch. 178, Â§ 16; L. 1987, ch. 130, Â§ 1; L. 1999, ch. 105, Â§ 8; L. 2003, ch. 127, Â§ 1; July 1.
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

I would like to quote myself

politicaly speaking we must study politics in an unpoliticaly incorrect way.Thus furthering research into political and unpolitical incorrectness
12 December 2006
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drewdun (Anonymous) says…

Man, the wingnuts are out in force today to defend another highly unpopular Republican politician. Where have I seen this before……..

So Pilgrim calls those against Kline's appointment 'the looney left.' Gee, I thought that title should be reserved for the JOCO Rs that selected him after he lost by thirty f'ing points in that county.

Next we have rt and 'rational'animal trotting out 'socialist' to attack Dems and anyone opposed to this. One, you guys are idiots. Are you calling 60% of Kansans who voted against this clown 'socialists?' Seriously, get some new material. You're stuff is tired. Secondly, its apparent your anger at getting crushed last month is still gnawing at you. Fascist swine: let it go. Your bizarre and hate-filled ideology was rejected. give it up, losers.

If you wingnuts really think this is good for Johnson County or Kansas, it shows how out of touch with reality you truly are. And if you think this is somehow good for the Republican Party here, I've got a nice piece of waterfront property with your name on it!

Morons
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Dani (Anonymous) says…

Who can file a petition under 25-4302? I should be studying torts but I may need to look into that instead…

I really like how JoCo Republicans just hired a DA that has never tried a case all by himself. Criminals everywhere are surely rejoicing (while the OP planned parenthood will surely be targeted instead of people who are actually violating the law).

So much for wanting a summer job with the JoCo DA's office. I wouldn't work under Phill Kline if my life depended on it.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

I loved college (and grad school) and enjoyed most of the professors I had, in and out of the public system. Those who have gone to a state-funded college/university will probably, if being honest, attest that most of the professors there are generally considered to be liberals, hopefully in the old fashioned and best sense of the term; open minded and flexible thinkers.

But alas, it appears that there may be a definite tendency in some schools or departments to try to indoctrinate rather than teach facts and/or critical thinking skills.

I had one friend from another country who was a lawyer and high ranking official in his home country come to me b/c he was about to drop out of a KU graduate degree program (he was pursuing a doctorate) because he believed the entire department to be filled with athiests and socialists intent upon passing along those “beliefs” to all their students. This gentleman had helped overthrow a socialist dictator in his country and was/is extremely conservative in his social views. So he was most upset with the type of things being taught at KU. I counseled him to stay in the program and just give the professors what they wanted (regurgitate the information provided). He did that, got his PhD in record time and is now teaching, at a private school. Now, perhaps some day, he can change the system with which he disagrees.

Anyone upset with how any system is working (or not working) is well advised to get informed and get involved. It does not help when you simply drop out and cry foul from the side-lines. You cannot change your own life, let alone the whole world, without engaging and being involved in some way. Get informed. Then get involved.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

Law student. Study torts. It is a better use of your time. By the time a recall petition was correctly drafted, reviewed and approved for legality by the proper authorities, circulated and signed, and put to a vote (if it were not also first challenged in court, which often occurs) it would just about be time for the next DA election! If you want to wade into the process, despite this situation, you want to be a lawyer - read up on the law (see my above post for the web address of all Kansas statutes). You have to have grounds (i.e. allege/prove misconduct - some illegal act or job related misconduct - while that person was in the office for which recall is sought). It's not easy and it's not enough to simply disagree with the party's choice.
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nugget (Anonymous) says…

Klown.

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rhd99 (Anonymous) says…

Kline is a Klown full of KRAP! Enjoy now, Philly Cream Puff, because you're day in the sun will EXPIRE in 2008!
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deec (Anonymous) says…

I guess since Kline wants to protect the children we can expect a spate of prosecutions of child-molesting religious folk.

End sarcasm here
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

Name calling. How mature and helpful. End sarcasm. No one will change their minds, or learn a thing, with that kind of thing going on. But then, bullies usually don't care about such things as making positive changes or learning new things.
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Rationalanimal (Anonymous) says…

“RationalAnimal (clearly 99.047619047619047619047619047619% “Animal” and much less than 1% “Rational”)…

Do the math. While it is fairly clear that some of you are borderline obsessed with “liberals,” it was not only “liberals” that voted against Kline. Probably some moderate, rational Republicans (and maybe even some rational “true conservatives”) also voted against him, as well.”

Wow, is there a coherent point anywhere in that steaming-pie of dairy air. Way to illustrate the hyper-irrational venom towards someone that just got the electoral beat down. That's the jackals tearing the flesh off the carcass mentioned earlier. Maybe we could publicly flog Phill Kline or stone him to death. Oh wait, that's the ancient form of community death. Nowadays we run people into the ground and aren't satisfied until their homeless and in total and utter ruin (and I speak to both sides of the aisle). So again, by all means, go ahead and check the liberal mantra of “compassion” and “foregivness” at the door, because those are just abstract buzz words and we all know it.

Question though, recently Barrack Obama was pounding the pulpit at churches to generate support for his base, an activity that factored into the “vile actions” of Phill Kline and was so categorically condemned as a violation of ethics and the separation clause (which by the way doesn't exist in the text of the constitution), so where's the outcry now over the liberal party's new rising star. Hypocrisy, it knows no bounds does it?
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pelliott (Anonymous) says…

The loony left must stand for reasonable, fair and decent. Pilgrim doesn't seem to care for the average joe, just his own strange emotional pulse. The gop party, like Bush, is struck deaf from the sound of their own ego.
Johnson county is in for suffering.
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

Should the loony left run for office??
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

“Question though, recently Barrack Obama was pounding the pulpit at churches to generate support for his base, an activity that factored into the “vile actions” of Phill Kline and was so categorically condemned as a violation of ethics and the separation clause (which by the way doesn't exist in the text of the constitution), so where's the outcry now over the liberal party's new rising star. Hypocrisy, it knows no bounds does it?”
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I hadn't heard of Obama doing this. Was he merely preaching, or was he preaching and going to fundraising meetings afterwards?

Does Obama address church congregations on a regular basis, or only during election cycles?

If this goes against the tax-exempt status of the churches in question, people will be able to file complaints with the Internal Revenue Service, and the IRS will investigate.

Anything else, RationalAnimal?

Personally, I don't care what happens to Philllllllll at this point. My guess is that he and Brownback and Brian Brown will go on the “Summer of Mercy '07” tour next year, and spend the hot days of June, July and August camped out in front of abortion clinics. More power to 'em, as far as I care.

I don't care to flog the man, publicly or privately—I'll let you and Pilgrim and right_thinker grapple with that particular fetish. Y'all seem to have more training there. ;)

No, I merely pointed out that, by the numbers, it wasn't only your fetishized “liberals” that voted against Kline. Moderates and true conservatives, as well as a few Libertarians clearly saw in the final days that he was a one-issue candidate, a pawn for religious extremism. It's folly to blame it all on “liberals.”

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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

RationalAnimal, if you'd like to trade in your old obsession for a new one, and go after Obama, here's some helpful info.

Here, to begin with, is the IRS web site on such matters:

http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitab…

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The Prohibition on Political Campaign Intervention

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. The prohibition applies to all campaigns including campaigns at the federal, state and local level. Violation of this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes. Those section 501(c)(3) organizations that are private foundations are subject to additional restrictions that are not described in this fact sheet.

What is Political Campaign Intervention?

Political campaign intervention includes any and all activities that favor or oppose one or more candidates for public office. The prohibition extends beyond candidate endorsements. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made by or on behalf of an organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition on political campaign intervention. Distributing statements prepared by others that favor or oppose any candidate for public office will also violate the prohibition. Allowing a candidate to use an organization's assets or facilities will also violate the prohibition if other candidates are not given an equivalent opportunity. Although section 501(c)(3) organizations may engage in some activities to promote voter registration, encourage voter participation, and provide voter education, they will violate the prohibition on political campaign intervention if they engage in an activity that favors or opposes any candidate for public office. Certain activities will require an evaluation of all the facts and circumstances to determine whether they result in political campaign intervention.

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Also, from the docs above: “Allowing a candidate to use an organization's assets or facilities will also violate the prohibition if other candidates are not given an equivalent opportunity.”

I think a church building is an “asset,” as it is something owned by the church. Assets aren't necessarily monetary.

My main questions on this are:

1) Are the churches at least “indirectly involved?”

2) Has Obama only been offering his “sermons” to area churches a few weeks before election day?

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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

And perhaps most important of all…

3) As a matter of fairness, did the churches that opened their doors to Obama… make similar opportunities available to any of Obama's political opponents? (Since we're not yet officially in an election cycle, this may not matter)

Here's something else interesting in all this—from the IRS article, “Charities, Churches and Politics”:

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“Earlier this year, the IRS released the results of its Political Activity Compliance Initiative (PACI) which investigated allegations of political campaign activity by 501(c)(3) organizations during the 2004 campaign season. Out of 87 completed audits involving churches and charities from the 2004 election cycle, political intervention was substantiated in 71 percent of the cases. No political intervention was found in 23 percent of the cases, resulting in a 'no change' finding.”

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What that should mean to you, RationalAnimal, is that if you think there's something “wrong” in the way a church is involved in its dealings with a political candidate—even if it's just “innocent preaching—you've got a 70% chance of being right about your hunch.

Good luck on your quest, RationalAnimal! :)

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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…

First one must define “good attorney” to answer that question. Good meaning smart or knows a lot about the law? Good meaning attracts and keeps good employees around (no DA or AG does all the work alone)? Good meaning having tried a lot of cases personally? Good meaning personal experience in a particular type of law? It's really hard to legitimately address let alone answer questions when they are asked without knowing (or providing) all the pertinent facts and/or with a particular outcome already in mind.
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

If Phill doesn't want the scrutiny that comes from being a twit holding public office, he should turn down the office of DA, and move into the private sector.
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ksmoderate (Anonymous) says…

They might as well have picked Bob Corkins.

And, a memo to JoCo residents: Please go out and purchase new, big, non-see-through drapes for your bedrooms to keep Phill from peeking in!
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Kontum1972 (Anonymous) says…

who cares…!
he's a poindexter..just look at him..almost as bad as the boob in the WHT house…
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Baille (Anonymous) says…

“bottom line is the question is phil kline really ?
a good attorney ?”

No. Not by any measure in my opinion. I think if he ever decided to apply himself to the law, he could be proficient with the law. But he conducts himself like a politician, not like a practicing attorney. Practicing law effectively requires much more than just a working knowledge of the law. It also requires commitment, passion, discipline, diligence, interpersonal skills, intellectual curiousity, character, and integrity.

When attorneys start skirting the law like Kline appears to have done in this last election cycle, I would not consider them to be good attorneys no matter how proficient with the law they might be. When they start stretching the truth to get re-elected or mischaracterizing past allegations made against an opponent like Kline did this last election cycle, I would not consider them to be good attorneys no matter how much or how well they prosecute one area of the law. While my exposure may be limited, from what I have seen, Kline does not have much respect within the legal community. I think there is a reason for this and I think it is mainly because he does not represent the profession as it is or as it aspires to be.

In any case, Kline was certainly not the best person for a hands-on job like District Attorney, but apparently he was the most popular. I hope that is enough for the citizens of JoCo.
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Defender (Anonymous) says…

“San Fran Nan is busier than a cat covering up sh!t on a marble floor returning favors.”

So, rightthinker, you think it will take her six years to catch up to GWB on the favor returns?
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gccs14r (Anonymous) says…

Kline hasn't the ethics to sell used cars, much less be a DA.

Kansas will turn Blue sooner than I expected. The State GOP is doing everything it can to destroy itself.

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Farmboy (Anonymous) says…

Kline election totally result of apathy; voters not paying attention to election of precinct committeemen and women. Wingnuts silently and agressively took over the Republican party machinery. Same thing happened in Shawnee County two years ago. One church spent $25,000 to get right wingers (mostly its members) elected in most precincts. Nobody paid attention til it was too late.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

right_thinker has once again sunk to the level of a spineless cretin in slinging out dirt on the Clinton administration, as a means of diversion, by bringing up child molestor David Koresh and his Branch Davidian cult.

Rather than selectively picking out parts of the article, here are the three paragraphs in their entirety (including the sentences selectively omitted by right_thinker), as well as a link where they can be found:

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The 51-day siege of Mount Carmel ended when U.S Attorney General Janet Reno approved recommendations of veteran FBI officials to proceed with a final assault in which the Branch Davidians were to be removed from their building by force. In the course of the assault, the church building caught fire. The cause of the fire was later determined by the Danforth Report, a report commissioned by The Special Counsel, to be the deliberate actions of some of the Branch Davidians inside the building. However this hypothesis is disputed in the documentary “Waco: The Rules of Engagement,” which argues that the fire was deliberately set when the FBI fired an incendiary device into the building after loading the building with CS gas, which is highly flammable.[citation needed]

Barricaded in their building, seventy-six Branch Davidians, including Koresh, did not survive the fire. Seventeen of these victims were children under the age of 12. The Danforth Report claims that those who died were unable, or unwilling, to flee and that Steve Schneider, Koresh's right-hand man, probably shot Koresh and killed himself with the same gun. “Waco: The Rules of Engagement” claims that FBI sharpshooters fired on, and killed, many Branch Davidians who attempted to flee the flames. Testimony by the few Branch Davidians who did successfully flee the fire supports this claim. Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Branch Davidians were shot, including 5 children. The Danforth Report claims that the adults who died of gunshot wounds shot themselves after shooting the children.

David Koresh is buried at Memorial Park Cemetery, Tyler Texas.

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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

Right_Thinker wrote:
“Socialism doesn't really work for a modern day American citys' model.”

Wow, RT actually wrote a truthful statement. However, RT should also acknowledge that the right side doesn't work either. That's why we should all work together to find compromises.

But, that's what separates us Lawrence “Socialists” from the Right Wingers. We realize we have to work together while people like Right_Thinker prefer only their way.
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

Right_Thinker wrote:

“In spite of your hurtful and mean-spirited post Agnostik…”

Right_Thinker then wrote:

“Looks like Dems don't mind killing kids.”

Let's see. You get offended but don't realize you are way more offensive w/ your arguments.

Irony, hypocrisy, or both?
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

That would be “ironocrisy,” Bob…
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rhd99 (Anonymous) says…

Thanks to Phill Kline, & Bob the boob Corkins, Kansas Republicans have shot themselves in the foot come future elections. Good Luck, Johnson County residents, you're gonna need it, BIG time!
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rooster (Anonymous) says…

This is from the kansas city star forum.
What a bunch of folks with laser like focus on 1 count it 1 topic. Abortion. I sincerely hope there are no other crimes in joco other than what is percieved to happen all the time at an abortion clinic. Heaven help joco if a mass murder or some other wacko gets caught.

http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_sce…

“”“I am a Johnson County Republican, and I was one of the duly elected Republican precinct leaders who proudly voted in Phill Kline to this new position as Johnson County DA.

The previous bloggers have omitted the facts that Phill Kline is a man of integrity, true to conservative values. Also, contrary to the Kansas City Star's biased reporting during the 2006 campaign for Kansas Attorney General, Kline had a limited interest in the sex lives of American citizens, but focused only on unethical illegalities being practiced at abortion clinincs. Dragonian? I think not. If anyone deserves that adjective it would be Tiller the baby killer and certain politicos who sided in with him in attempting to deceive Kansans about who Kline really is.

Evidently some still believe what Will Rogers used to joke about, “I only believe what I read in the newspapers. After all, it must be true.” Someday more of us may finally figure it out. Johnson Countians do not need or care for the Missouri-based Kansas City Star attempting to intervere or influence Kansas or Johnson County, Kansas elections.

Certainly, our selection of Kline to replace the disloyal Morrison was not by any means meant as “a slap in the face” of the public, but on the contrary, as a second change to reverse the gross distortions and fullscale lies leveled at Kline.

Kline certainly does not have a mandane at this point. We Republican precinct leaders are not idiots as some of the previous bloggers have asserted. What he has won and what the public has now won, is an opportunity to discover who Kline really is compared to the unsupported distortions practiced by the media in the 2006 election.

The paranoia of the public that Kline's main purpose in life is to be a “peeping-tom” in their bedrooms is ridiculous. He just wanted to enforce current Kansas law regarding abortion. If certain people are so set against him doing so, they should either change current Kansas law or sit down and be quite.

If anyone is interested in discovering who Phill Kline really is whether than what the Kansas City Star has attempted to make him into, will feel a degree of justice and satisfaction at our Johnson County Republican vote last night.

To my mind, the real fear being expressed by the previous bloggers isn't that Kline has been elected to replace Morrison, so much as that the real Kline may now have a chance to come out the bilge that Tiller and the newspapers heaped on him throughout 2006.”“”
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drewdun (Anonymous) says…

Kline = LOSER

rt = bigger loser

Bush = biggest loser in american history

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rooster (Anonymous) says…

I clearly want to state that the previous post came from a E.J. Irish and by no means reflects my opinion.

While I'm on here i'd like to give a shout out to my mom and dad for bringing our family to Lawrence as opposed to joco when we moved here in 1991.

Thanks mom and dad we love you!
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mommy3 (Anonymous) says…

wow, I haven't seen so many post for one topic in a long time!
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schweppy (Anonymous) says…

I am a republican from JoCo who made a post before the election. I posed the question of wheather or not Kline would replace Morrison if elected AG. Turns out I was on to something there. Had I known this I would have kept Morrison as prosecutor since he has a direct impact on my community.

When the “republicans” who voted for Kline last night propose that they voted FOR republicans of JoCo, they must be crazy. Kline only received 35% of the republican vote in the AG election, how could they twist this to mean that republicans would want him in thier county as DA?? Plus, just what is his experience as a prosecutor? As a future hopeful police officer in JoCo, I wonder what imapct this will have on the DA's office. 2008 can't be here fast enough so I can actually have a say in who the DA is!!
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Crispian (Crispian Paul) says…

Well LawSW, he was not actually “elected”. What happened is that Paul Morrison was elected JoCo DA as a Republican. Because he was elected to attorney general leaving his position vacant, the party under whom he was elected to as DA in JoCo gets to name his successor. That would be the same state wide. I.e. if Douglas County DA was elected to AG and was initially elected as a democrat, then the Dems would get to pick the DoCo successor. See, it's just too bad Morrison wasn't elected in JoCo as a Democrat. Then they'd get to be the “deciders”. I work in Johnson County and work through the court systems as a social worker. I am a little scared and nervous what will come down the pike for us here.
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BunE (Anonymous) says…

I love Phillllllll Kllllllline. He is a poor trial attorney, was fired from his last job as well as asked to leave a firm in KC and he likes to hire convicted criminals to work for him. I imagine he will clean house in JoCo, so he can get some good people in? His People.

Look out ladies! Look out gays! Its Phillllll, here to put you on the righteous path!

Soooooooo?

Its crime committin' time! Who's with me? Nothwithstanding his pathalogical need to assume there is an abortion in every file, he's going to be to busy trying to find something to vault him into the gov'nas mansion in a few years to care what is going on.

Thanks JoCo GOP!

Yay Phillllllllllllll!
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

E.J. Irish writes, through “rooster”

“The paranoia of the public that Kline's main purpose in life is to be a “peeping-tom” in their bedrooms is ridiculous. He just wanted to enforce current Kansas law regarding abortion. If certain people are so set against him doing so, they should either change current Kansas law or sit down and be quite.”
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I will “sit down and be quiet,” then, if I can get an honest answer to a question…

As a reference, I offer this timeline of Kline's procedural maneuvers to get the patient records from abortion clinics. The timeline is available in both PDF and HTML formats…

PDF: http://www.ppkm.org/PDFs/kline_case_t…

HTML: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:k…

Please follow one of the above links and at least glance over the *complete* timeline to get a feel for things. What interests me are the following three dates/events…

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September 21, 2004
At the request of Attorney General Phill Kline, Chief Judge Richard Anderson of the Kansas Third Judicial District issued subpoenas for 90 complete original medical records to Comprehensive Health of Planned
Parenthood of Kansas and Mid-Missouri in Overland Park and Women's Healthcare Services in Wichita.

December 2, 2004
Kline filed his response to the petition for the Kansas Supreme Court Writ of Mandamus, including a full brief in response to the clinics' claims. Kline requests that the Kansas Supreme Court deny the clinics' petition and responds to specific allegations.

March 3, 2005
Kline filed his response with the Kansas Supreme Court that was virtually identical to the one filed on December 2, 2004, except for redaction in the attached exhibits, removing names to protect identities.

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question: If Kline is truly concerned about protecting patient identity, sensitive medical information, respecting patient privacy etc. then why did he not ask for redacted records in his initial request on 9/21/04?

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ModerateOne (Anonymous) says…

Query: If two consenting 15-year-olds have sex on a dirt road in Johnson County, and a tree falls, does Phill Kline hear the sound?
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Baille (Anonymous) says…

Hear it? He hears it, arrests it, and puts it on the sexual predator list with both the fifteen year-olds. Then he prosecutes, pursuant to the mandated reporter statute and his now defeunct AG opinion, the Sunday school teacher who also heard the falling tree, counseled the post-coital fifteen year-olds, and didn't report either the consensual sex or the falling tree to SRS and/or local law enforcement.

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BOE (Anonymous) says…

Posted by schweppy on December 12, 2006 at 2:14 p.m.

“Kline only received 35% of the republican vote in the AG election, how could they twist this to mean that republicans would want him in thier county as DA?? ”

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LOL

On the pretense that Kline's 4 years as KS AG wasn't enough to get aquainted with him.

(according to rooster's post)

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Posted by rooster on December 12, 2006 at 1:28 p.m.:

- post from a E.J. Irish, excerpt:

” If anyone is interested in discovering who Phill Kline really is whether than what the Kansas City Star has attempted to make him into, will feel a degree of justice and satisfaction at our Johnson County Republican vote last night. ”

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A display of absolute contempt for 2/3rd's of JoCo voters, but a fairly good match to the contempt Kline showed for his office and the law.

With four years of experience to draw on, Johnson Co should brace itself for a heavy slate of Kline's “leadership” (read: stunts).
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EXks (Anonymous) says…

EXks

Kline and W, your 15 minutes of fame shame are almost up (thank you God!)

….tick tock, tick tock

POOF! both gone in 2008
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Crispian (Crispian Paul) says…

RT…Really, serial baby killer? I see you are feeling very indignant and attacked today. However, you are making a lot of gross overgeneralizations and oversimplifications and referring to a Dr. who is legally doing his job, despite your objections, as a serial baby killer probably just makes people believe in the stereotype of a right wing “nut job”. What about if I chose to refer to the Kansas Supreme Court who approved the death penalty again as Serial Death Senetencers (the approximate estimates by the justice project of the number of wrongly convicted people on death row is around 5%).
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Baille (Anonymous) says…

Didn't the KS Supreme Court find the death penalty unconstitutional and then the US Supreme Court overturned them?
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…

Posted by right_thinker: “Whatever, BigAl, all I know is there are about 50 cars to 1 heading east vs. west on Hwy 10 every morning M-F between the hours of 6 am to 9 am.
And the reverse between the hours of 4 pm to 6 pm.
Wonder why?”

It tells me that people would rather live here and work in JOCO. Don't blame 'em. I'd rather live here too.
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not_dolph (Anonymous) says…

Win Some - Lose Some
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…

R_T… I'm sorry you had to put a spin on it. I, for one, enjoy living in Lawrence AND working in Lawrence. Granted, sometimes I have to wonder what our city leaders are smoking, but…. we have a great lake, nice golf courses, downtown, major university, good public and private schools, nice parks, friendly people, close to a major city and in general a pretty nice place. I just don't understand why people run Lawrence down so much….
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Roadkill_Rob (Anonymous) says…

You said it BigAl! I, too, work at a good job and live in a nice house near downtown here in Lawrence.

People who complain that there are no jobs in Lawrence either lack ambition or lack the necessary skills to get a good job. Right_Thinker, which one do you fall under?

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Baille (Anonymous) says…

“I don't know what kind of Johnson County District Attorney Kline will make…”

I do. Bet you a beer he sucks.
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Crispian (Crispian Paul) says…

OR, you could be like me…a social worker in a saturated SW market (KU has one of the best SW schools in the country) and thus, in order to get a job in your field, you must commute. I don't want to live in JoCo which is why I drive 30 miles each way to work.
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Crispian (Crispian Paul) says…

RT, do you really think Kline put away serial baby killers? Why is it always some nut with a conspiracy theory who disagrees with the rightwing-ers, but if you are a right wing-er, and you say serial baby killer, you're just expressing your oppinion. RT, take a time machine ride and overturn Roe v. Wade. Oh wait. Nevermind. People are already trying to do that.
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marxisnotdead (Anonymous) says…

Just checking my new account…Good luck JoCo citizens.
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buffalo_star (Anonymous) says…

Life is always stranger than fiction, stay tuned more to come I'm sure
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DaREEKKU (Anonymous) says…

Effing idiots! All of them! I give up on those numbskulls…..
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

The loony left, the radical right, who takes center stage???

This piece shows election of political parties for a da.
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Posted by Pilgrim (anonymous) on December 12, 2006 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by heysoos (anonymous) on December 12, 2006 at 8:22 a.m.

That doesn't make much sense that someone appointed to an otherwise elected office cannot be recalled, especially when the person making the appointment is not executive level. Is there really not one person who can be held accountable for whatever Kline's performance may be like?
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Recalled on what grounds? He hasn't even taken office yet, and then he must be judged guilty of mis-, mal-, or non-feasance in office.

This looney left panic attack is absolutely the best entertainment we've had in weeks. I don't know what kind of Johnson County District Attorney Kline will make, but his election to the office has been worth it just for the entertainment value.

You guys are freakin' hilarious!
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I was asking a question, d!ckhole, hoping that someone could clarify it for me, not having a “looney left panic attack.” Don't try to lump me because I said it doesn't make sense that an unelected appointee can't be removed on the whim of the people. That's all. I think it is a problem with the system, not a political problem. You know, I've never engaged you here, but I find you to be one of the pushiest SOBs on this forum. This will be the last time.