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I'm with Obama. Bristol Palin's pregnancy is her business. Her family has pledged to be supportive and she's scheduled to marry the biological father. I, for one, have hope for this young woman and wish her the best. So many women wait and wait and wait for the right time to have children. They get educations, they have careers and they have to slide the baby making and cookie baking into the cracks of their busy ,busy lives. (ex. Sarah Palin) For Bristol, she won't be working full time and being pregnant. She will be able to rest, eat right and the family will take care of her before, during and after the baby. She'll finish her courses either at school or online. She'll still apply and get accepted and go to college. As a member of the upper, upper middle class, she'll have a nanny to help her and maybe even a maid. She'll be well cared for and so will her child. All will be well.Not so for many of the nations teen mothers. Their lives are anything but safe and secure. They work low paying jobs with little or no health insurance, up to the very day they deliever. They are ostracized by their peers and society. They live on welfare and often never return to school. Yet, the American consumer is bestowed pure images of wealthy teen mothers with cute little babies in adorable outfits and rugged buggies. All of their beauty and good fortune makes teen pregnancy very trendy. There are teenage women who are ready for motherhood. They are mature and capable. As long as Bristol Palin understands that her childhood, her teen years are over, she will be able to carry the responsiblity with which she is blessed. I have hope for her and the father. I wish them much luck and happiness. Babies are a blessing and they happen, not when planned, but when chosen.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

This gentleman attended the U.S. Naval Academy with John McCain. He graduated in the top 25% of his class. (unlike McCain, who was fifth from the bottom). He was awarded Two Silver Stars, Two Bronze Stars, Two Legions of Merit, Two Purple hearts, and like John McCain, he flew in Viet Nam, was shot down and captured, and was a fellow prisoner of war. This is what he feels about McCain's candidacy for POUSA: (video)http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/fellow-navy-pow-speaks-about

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XEPCT 5 years, 7 months ago

~~~~>into the mind of an 18 year old male (or at least 3 of his close friends)~~~~>Yo, Levi, bro!Don't get yourself locked down at 18! This is America! You gotta play the field! Do you know how many different hotties you're missing out on in college?! And, they don't have kids hanging around! Look, her mom is running for Vice President, she's totally set for life! All you gotta do is play the long distance thing for awhile and let her down easy, anyway her mom will want her for emotional support or whatever, it's the perfect excuse! You can totally bail on child support those first few years, scot free! Beer:30!I wish the GOP luck with ^this^ battle; an emotionally distraught pregnant 17 year old is a handful for any mother.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S OWN PEGGY NOONAN SAYS "ITS OVER" Who is Peggy Noonan? She is one of a handful of the nationally known conservative pundits who has brain, brawn experience, stature and respect.She is an author of seven books on politics, religion and culture, a weekly columnist for The Wall Street Journal, and was a primary speech writer and Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan. She is considered a political conservative.Five of Noonan's books have been New York Times bestsellers. Noonan is a Trustee of the Manhattan Institute. She has been awarded honorary doctorates from Miami University, St. John Fisher College, her alma mater Fairleigh Dickinson University, Adelphi College, and Saint Francis College. She was nominated for Emmy Awards for her work on The West Wing and America: A Tribute to Heroes.Anyway, she was on an NBC segment with Mike Todd today, and after she was finished speaking, her microphone remained "hot" and she continued to speak with the other guest, Republican consultant Mike Murphy. As some of you may know, satellite feeds remain live, and since the microphone remained on, and was apparently recorded by someone, you can clearly hear the continued conversation. She trashes both McCain and Palin. Calls it "political bullsh*it." and laments that "its over." Very telling, as it is a very candid and intellectually honest, and it comes from a well respected conservative. The fact that it is her private thoughts, and not public spin makes it even more credible.Here is the link to the Yahoo story which contains a video of the broadcast and Noonan's after-broadcast comments. INCREDIBLE. PRICELESS You have to hear and see it to believe it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200809 ... tico/20576So, to you conservative posters who insist that Palin is perfect and that you're gonna "whup us" in November, I suggest that you reconsider your mindless, camp follower ways, and start thinking for yourselves like you leaders are doing (at least privately). Fascists and communists are known as mindless camp followers. Americans, on the other hand, have a noble tradition of venerating the highest ideals of independent thought and Constitutional Democracy. So, to you posters who continue to brag how "perfect" Palin is, and how you're gonna "whup us," think again, and please, take some advice: Shut up (you're only embarrassing yourself), cowboy up, and get over it. According to one of your trusted leaders. "ITS OVER"!!

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

I disagree that, as far as sex education is concerned, parents should be held responsible for the failure of their children to practice safe sex. The education system has taken that responsibility out of the hands of parents because the education powers that be do not trust parents to do the job correctly.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says:You guys said I am a liar, so I am just living up to your expectations.I bet you all have children that are drug addicts and are all born out of wedlock as well.I also heard you guys are crack addicts, with the crack addicts for Obama campaign.That would be ACORN voter registration people.~~~Again, please find a post where I have actually called you a liar. I have not done so ,yet you continue to lump me in with others that may have. Your choice in playing the victim here is not very becoming of you.Once again, the suggestion to put up or shut up is kindly offered.BTW, while slinging the "insult" about my (and others who disagree with you) children being born out of wedlock, aren't you insulting Bristol Palin too? I thought her decision to keep her baby was a good thing?

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

You guys said I am a liar, so I am just living up to your expectations.I bet you all have children that are drug addicts and are all born out of wedlock as well.I also heard you guys are crack addicts, with the crack addicts for Obama campaign.That would be ACORN voter registration people.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says:Snotty, Todd, and Katara are paid Obama blogging operatives.~~~Please point to any post I have made where I have stated that I support Obama or am voting for him. As RestoreReason pointed out, being against a candidate does not indicate support of the other candidate.Again, with all your accusations you have made about me on this board, I kindly suggest you put up or shut up. Otherwise, you force my hand and I will actually have to call you a liar.

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

"Snotty, Todd, and Katara are paid Obama blogging operatives."Asbestos, I cannot speak for the other two you mention, but I will again ask you to stop lying about me. I am not a paid operative of any political candidate. It was the McCain campaign, you will recall, that was offering prizes to its supporters for publishing favorable comments on sites such as this. As usual, you Republicans are guilty of what you protest.

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

Snotty, Todd, and Katara are paid Obama blogging operatives.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

POCO -- Do you have reading comprehension issues? Do you see anything about Sarah Palin written anywhere in this quote: Powershopper: "Logic would dictate that parents fail their children, not Planned Parenthood"This was a response to Godot about Planned Parenthood, not Sarah Palin. Try reading all of the posts on these blogs before going on the offensive.

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POCO 5 years, 7 months ago

Powershopper: "Logic would dictate that parents fail their children, not Planned Parenthood" Sarah Palin did not fail her daughter, her daughter failed her parents. In spite of her upbringing, Bristol made a decision and now, she is living with the results of her decision. Everyone makes mistakes and wrong decisions and must live with the consequences. Some choose the easy way out and remove a life from existence. They must live with that decision the rest of their lives. Others choose to allow a new life to be brought into the world. And, they live with that decision as well, as did Obama's mother at about the same age as Bristol. Should Palin have retreated and said "no" to the VP because her daughter made a wrong decision? Just think how difficult it would have been for Bristol knowing the chance her mother gave up because of her mistake. Sarah and her daughter are facing the world and standing tall... together. While Bristol may be embarrassed about her situation, I bet she is super proud of her Mom, just as Chelsea Clinton is proud of her mother.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

POCO -- Nice try but no cigar. Palin will continue to get publicity through the RNC but coverage of the candidates will even out in the press after that.I would also caution against the "bad publicity is still publicity" cliche. While this may stand true for a scandal surrounding a movie star right before the release of their summer blockbuster, it definitely does not for politicians. If you look at the latest Gallup polls, Obama is breaking away from McCain and has the highest margin since the campaigning began. The McCain/Palin boat is sinking. Keep it up everyone...I love it!!

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot says: "The NEA and Planned Parenthood have failed our children, miserably, when it comes to protecting them from the damage to body and spirit caused by childhood sexual activity."Logic would dictate that parents fail their children, not Planned Parenthood. BTW, Sycophant, I am an Enlightened Gentile. :)

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POCO 5 years, 7 months ago

Even negative publicity is publicity. Every time the liberals pick Palin apart in new and inventive ways, Obama news recedes further into the background. The media is fascinated and obsessed by Palin's story... they can't stop talking about her hour-after-hour. If we think Obama's message is being overshadowed now, wait until Palin finishes what will be a strong and powerful speech at the RNC. Have we heard much news from the Obama and Biden camp since the media learned to pronounce her name? Keep it up everyone... I love it !!!!

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot wrote: " Katara, continue your research until you can confirm, positively, that Bristol Palin was never exposed to comprehensive sex education in public school and did not have access to free contraceptives and "family planning."Godot, you're a jac$ass. You're asking her to prove a negative, which is impossible. Let me give you an example: "Continue your research to prove you've never raped anyone." Pretty tough, eh? I would have to survey every person you'e ever possibly encountered and get them to state under oath, that you never raped them. And then, even if I were able to accomplish that, how would I know whether they were lying, or had amnesia, etc. Take a class in logic before you continue your bumbling on this board. You're making yourself look stupid.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

Katara (Anonymous) says:So now we know that comprehensive sex ed is not required in AK nor is it standard across the state. It is up to the individual schools to decide what the sex ed policy is.******And you have a problem with that?

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

TacoBob (Anonymous) says:Abstinence is foolproof when it is followed.~~~If Abstinence is defined as absolutely no sexual contact in any form. All it takes is a bit of seminal fluid on the wrong part and there is still a chance of pregnancy. This issue isn't that her daughter is keeping the baby. It will be hard for her but she has family support. Many teen mothers don't.What I think people are having an issue with is that Gov. Palin wants to suppress all sex education with the exception of abstinence only education. She has refused to fund comprehensive sex ed because she feels it is too explicit. I think this is not an effective way. I say get as explicit as possible. Tons of movies of births. Field trips to maternity wards to observe a birth in progress, if possible. Have other teen mothers come in & talk about how their lives have changed drastically and about the huge responsibility they now have. Lots of case studies of STDs with graphic pictures. Emphasize that it is best to wait until you are in a stable point in life but if you aren't willing to wait, then take all measures to protect yourself. Don't withhold info at all. Teens don't get abstract talk about the consequences of their actions. Show them.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot (Anonymous) says:The Right to Abortion is not a part of the constitution; it is protected by a decision of the Supreme Court. Overturning Roe v Wade will not make abortion illegal, because Roe v Wade is not a law. Overturning Roe v Wade will, however, require those who desire to see the practice continue with constitutional protection labor through the same, deliberate steps required of any other amendment to the constitution.*****Exactly. Overturning Roe v Wade will simply remove abortion from the federal purview and return it to the individual states.Wow, what a burden. Abortion supporters might actually have to convince several hundred legislators to follow their cause instead of just five former attorneys making things up as they go along.

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TacoBob 5 years, 7 months ago

Abstinence is foolproof when it is followed. 'Safe sex' is mostly safe when followed. Teach either one and kids will experiment with the associated consequences. One has a moral underpinning, the other more pragmatic. I worry about my sons as they come of age, even as we have tried to impress upon them the reasons to wait until marriage and the possibilities that can happen that they might not want. They will have convictions and weaknesses. Doesn't make one teaching path inferior to the other, both have failed. Perhaps the 'go do it but use protection' path has failed more, who knows for sure. I don't fault Palin for teaching the moral component and her daughter for getting pregnant. Her daughter was negligent - and the boy. Kids these days know what it takes to get pregnant. Teach abstinence, fine, but don't think it means kids are unaware of how to prevent mixing chemicals that have a 'bad tendency to explode' - to quote a Twin Cites favorite. Biology is taught too - here is how babies are made. So abstinence teaching doesn't withhold information. Kids know what to do.....Palin has kids, as many of us do. They will make bad choices, and sometimes break our hearts. I don't doubt that these kids have good parents with good intentions, but they should not be berated for parenting under their convictions. We all do. If we don't buy into Palin's world view, we don't support them, i.e. vote for them. Simple enough. But it comes down to weighing all the facts, and no candidate will profess and model and perfect the words they speak. Truth is still the truth, even when spoken by someone who has fallen. Don't shoot the piano player, hear the message. I shudder to think of my own youth experiences - I was taught well, but was going to do what I wanted. And went through all the cliches and soap opera events you could imagine, to my great regret. And the pressures of the current age are infinitely worse today. I made it through okay, but there are diseases and death awaiting anyone who starts to participate. Different world today. Need for different attitudes than the 60's and on??

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

West_Sider (Anonymous) says:State of Alaska HIV/STD and Sexuality Education Curricula http://www.eed.state.ak.us/tls/SchoolHea:The Alaska Department of Education & Early Development does not endorse specific curricula, but seeks to provide districts with the most up-to-date materials and research-based programs so schools can evaluate what best meets the needs of their student population.~~~Thank you, West_Sider, for stepping up to the plate on this since Godot refused to. It is much appreciated!So now we know that comprehensive sex ed is not required in AK nor is it standard across the state. It is up to the individual schools to decide what the sex ed policy is.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

No, Godot. You are the one who claimed AK has a very strong comprehensive sex education policy. The burden of proof is on you for that.I have not claimed that abstinence is the cause of teenage pregnancy. I have claimed that abstinence only education is not a very effective tool in preventing teen pregnancy. There is a difference. Comprehensive sex ed (which includes abstinence) is more effective, I believe and covers all bases for all beliefs.I am open to thought that Bristol had access to contraceptives, as to why she chose not to use them, I can only speculate. It could be that she (like many other teens) didn't think it couldn't happen to her. It could be she was not comfortable talking to her parents about sex given their abstinence only views. I don't knowBTW, where is the boy's responsibility in this? Does he have no responsibility in using contraceptives too? Why is he being left out that discussion? I think it is a fairly good assumption that Bristol did not make the decision not to use contraceptives by herself, right?

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West_Sider 5 years, 7 months ago

State of Alaska HIV/STD and Sexuality Education Curricula http://www.eed.state.ak.us/tls/SchoolHealth/curriculum.htmThe Alaska Department of Education & Early Development does not endorse specific curricula, but seeks to provide districts with the most up-to-date materials and research-based programs so schools can evaluate what best meets the needs of their student population.

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Katara, continue your research until you can confirm, positively, that Bristol Palin was never exposed to comprehensive sex education in public school and did not have access to free contraceptives and "family planning."If you continue to support the premise that Bristol became pregnant as a result of lack of education regarding contraception simply because her mother is a proponent of abstinence, then you must believe that Sarah Palin kept her daughter in seclusion for her entire life, and that she is such a strong personality that she can control a 17 year old female (which, in itself, is qualification for the presidency). Otherwise, if you continue to buy into the emphasis on "abstinence is the cause of teenage pregnancy," line of thinking, you are the one who is full of it.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

Well, let's see here... a strong comprehensive sex ed program would include education on STDs.Does AK require that?http://hrc.nwlc.org/Policy-Indicators/Addressing-Wellness-and-Prevention/STDHIV-Education-in-Public-Schools.aspxLooks like a "no" there as of 2007.Sorry, Godot. I'm afraid you'll just have to post the links you have that states AK has a strong comprehensive sex ed. There really isn't anything out there that states what exactly AK public schools teach that I can find.Although I did find this disturbing bit of info...http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_slashed_funding_to_help.html"ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families." That isn't very consistent with a pro-life point of view, is it? Why are these teens who choose to keep their baby undeserving of the necessary support to help them raise their baby and become productive citizens?

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot (Anonymous) says:Katara, what do you read "neutral" to mean? Do you think that "mandatory sex education" is the only acceptable ranking?Do a little more research. Go beyond page 1 of the Google search.~~~Please point out anywhere in your link http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state_data/states/alaska.pdf that shows AK has "Alaska has a very strong, comprehensive sex education policy in its public schools..."If you notice under the heading "sex education" (labeled as neutral because there is no data listed there), you'll notice there is not one single check mark indicating what AK's policy is on sex ed. If, as you claim, AK has a very strong comprehensive sex ed policy in its public schools, then there would be a checkmark in the box labeled "Requires contraceptive education statewide" or one in the box labeled "Requires contraceptive education in school districts with sex education" both of which are what make up a comprehensive program. There is no checkmark in any of the boxes which leads me to believe this link does not have the info as to what the policies are. It also leads me to believe you are full of it.

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 7 months ago

Abortion is not a manifestation of a "choice" scenario for women. It is a failure to meet the level of responsibility implied by such a "choice" scenario, given the probabilities of outcomes associated with one's choices.

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Katara, what do you read "neutral" to mean? Do you think that "mandatory sex education" is the only acceptable ranking? Do a little more research. Go beyond page 1 of the Google search.

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allateup 5 years, 7 months ago

Katara.........you're back peddling.....go back and read some of your ver own posts......LMAO

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

The mission of Planned Parenthood is clearly the distribution of explicit sex education to children as young as 5, and promotion of the use of birth control pharmaceuticals, and, when those pharmaceuticals fail, the promotion of abortion. The NEA promotes and lobbies to have explicit sex education be included as a requirement in the curriculum of public schools; its teachers implement the explicit sex education, and its counselors refer children to Planned Parenthood without the consent of parents. The NEA and Planned Parenthood have failed our children, miserably, when it comes to protecting them from the damage to body and spirit caused by childhood sexual activity.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot, I suggest you actually read your links before you post them. ;)

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Katara, I suggest you do your own research.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

Cont'd...Family planning funds from the government (which helps supports availability of contraceptives) and funds for sex education in public schools do not come from the same federal till. Godot's link mentions nothing about AK's policies on sex ed in public schools & in fact, gets a neutral rating. There is also nothing mentioning AK having a comprehensive sex ed program in their public schools. Can anyone provide some proof that AK has a comprehensive sex ed program for their public schools? I'd be interested in reading it.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot (Anonymous) says:If sex education in K-12 and unlimited access to free birth control were effective, there would be no need for abortion. Even rape would not require an abortion if the girls were following the sex ed rules and were properly taking their birth control pills from the first onset of menses.What are you doing wrong, NEA and Planned Parenthood? We need some congressional investigations into why, in the 35 years since Roe v Wade, these powerful and tax exempt organizations are such failures in executing their mission.~~~I must have missed the "forced birth control" mission statement that the NEA and Planned Parenthood have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Anonymous userGodot (Anonymous) says:Alaska has a very strong, comprehensive sex education policy in its public schools, and it ranks with the District of Columbia as one of the two most highly ranked states in the support for and availability of contraceptives and family planning services.In Alaska, children are able to obtain contracepties without parental consent and without parental notification. Emergency contraceptives are easily obtained through pharmacists.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state_dat:The evidence suggests that though Palin supports abstinence based sex education, that policy has not been implemented so far during her term as governor. Her children have participated in comprehensive sex education since grade school.Looks like that worked out well for Bristol.~~~If AK receives any federal funding for sex education in public schools at all, it must be abstinence only sex education. "¢ There are three federal programs dedicated to funding restrictive abstinence-only education: Section 510 of the Social Security Act, the Adolescent Family Life Act's teen pregnancy prevention component and Community-Based Abstinence Education (CBAE). The total funding for these programs is $176 million for FY 2006.[25]¢ Federal law establishes a stringent eight-point definition of "abstinence-only education" that requires programs to teach that sexual activity outside of marriage is wrong and harmful-for people of any age. The law also prohibits programs from advocating contraceptive use or discussing contraceptive methods except to emphasize their failure rates.[26]¢ Federal guidelines now define sexual activity to include any behavior between two people that may be sexually stimulating, which could be interpreted as including even kissing or hand-holding.[27]¢ New federal restrictions have been expanded to target adolescents and young adults between the ages of 12 and 29.[28]¢ There is currently no federal program dedicated to supporting comprehensive sex education that teaches young people about both abstinence and contraception.[29]"http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.htmlCont'd

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

The Right to Abortion is not a part of the constitution; it is protected by a decision of the Supreme Court. Overturning Roe v Wade will not make abortion illegal, because Roe v Wade is not a law. Overturning Roe v Wade will, however, require those who desire to see the practice continue with constitutional protection labor through the same, deliberate steps required of any other amendment to the constitution.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

ASBESTOS (Anonymous) says:But abortion is legal now, they decided to keep the baby.So your argument is nonsense.~~~Wha???Abortion is legal now. Palin and McCain wish to remove that choice for all other women. They have the luxury of making their choice while trying to legislate policies that to tell other women they can't make their own choices. It is great they decided to keep the baby. Who has said that isn't a good thing? It is great to be able to make a decision that is best for you and your family. How can you disagree with that?

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 7 months ago

"... why, in the 35 years since Roe v Wade, these powerful and tax exempt organizations are such failures in executing their mission."... because... "nature will find a way."

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

If sex education in K-12 and unlimited access to free birth control were effective, there would be no need for abortion. Even rape would not require an abortion if the girls were following the sex ed rules and were properly taking their birth control pills from the first onset of menses.What are you doing wrong, NEA and Planned Parenthood? We need some congressional investigations into why, in the 35 years since Roe v Wade, these powerful and tax exempt organizations are such failures in executing their mission.

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

But abortion is legal now, they decided to keep the baby.So your argument is nonsense.

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Katara 5 years, 7 months ago

powershopper (Anonymous) says:Asbestos - I am pro-choice. If somebody wants to make the choice to keep their baby, that is fine with me. If a woman wants to have an abortion, that is fine with me as well. What I don't like about Palin is that she is pro-life and would like to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. In politics, that is generally what pro-life means. In the event that this happens, women would no longer have the opportunity to make that choice.That she has chosen to keep her baby, and that her daughter has chosen to keep hers is her business. I just don't like her political platform and will continue to excercise my freedom of speech to make this very clear.~~~Exactamondo!!!No one has questioned the right both Gov. Palin and her daughter to make their choices about their reproductive freedom. What has been questioned is that Gov. Palin wishes to impose her choices on all other women, even in the event of rape or incest.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Wonderful. Are you a landsman. Or an enlightened gentile? Just remember to wrap the glasses in a cloth napkin before stepping on it. Otherwise, it goes flying all over the place. Believe me, I speak from experience.

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

I think all you leftie slackers are jealous that a real man found a strong woman to provide him with the lifestyle you wish you had.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Thanks, Sycophant, you should see the Chuppa my fiance picked out. It is beautiful!

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Asbestos - I am pro-choice. If somebody wants to make the choice to keep their baby, that is fine with me. If a woman wants to have an abortion, that is fine with me as well. What I don't like about Palin is that she is pro-life and would like to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. In politics, that is generally what pro-life means. In the event that this happens, women would no longer have the opportunity to make that choice. That she has chosen to keep her baby, and that her daughter has chosen to keep hers is her business. I just don't like her political platform and will continue to excercise my freedom of speech to make this very clear. Being a feminist, I am surprised that you are defending her.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Power, congrats on your upcoming marriage. Mazel Tov. And by the way, I loved your line "....believe you can't break the glass ceiling by throwing babies at it."

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

"That is precicesly the point, a woman should be able to make whateve choice with their body that they want, and Sarah Palin and her daughter chose to continue the pregnacies. Why is that not OK with you guys? Should she not have the right to choose to have the baby? And if she chooses to have the baby should that disqualify here from aspiring to higher office?Answer me those two questions, then and only then willyou have your answer on what louts the left has been and how hypocritical they have been."Congratulations, you've just stated the pro-choice position. Ms. Palin, of course, as a right wing zealot, is "pro-life/anti-choice" and wishes to outlaw abortion. If abortion were outlawed women would not have a choice on the control of their own bodies and would be forced to produce a full term birth.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

a_flock_of_jayhawks (Anonymous) says: It's notably strange that the same people that are crying "leave her alone" are the exact same people that would be screaming "burn her at the stake" if it wasn't for the political stripe and current circumstance of her mother.******Mirror.

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

"Asbestos, you are starting to sound like a pro-life, conservative, feminist. Isn't that kind of a walking contradiction? Don't you want the right to choose? It is your body, right?"That is precicesly the point, a woman should be able to make whateve choice with their body that they want, and Sarah Palin and her daughter chose to continue the pregnacies. Why is that not OK with you guys? Should she not have the right to choose to have the baby? And if she chooses to have the baby should that disqualify here from aspiring to higher office?Answer me those two questions, then and only then willyou have your answer on what louts the left has been and how hypocritical they have been.

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

"Snotty that is all you post, is trashing the woman and you are a sexist."What a convincing argument!!

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Asbestos, you are starting to sound like a pro-life, conservative, feminist. Isn't that kind of a walking contradiction? Don't you want the right to CHOOSE? It is your body, right?

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

""""I never thought I would live to see the day when democrats: 1)criticized a candidate for picking a female running mate 2) focused on the fact that the running mate has a mentally disabled child 3) used the candidate's teenage daughter as cannon fodder in the campaign."Please provide an example of a prior post doing this. I cannot recall one. You pathetic conservatives are trying to garner media sympathy for the woefully inappropriate VP candidate. She deserves none.""Snotty that is all you post, is trashing the woman and you are a sexist.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

ASSBESTOS said: Remember that "Choice"? Their "Choice" is "Pro Life", how come you guys want only to abort babies? How abpout their Choices in life, can't they choose them, and aspire to be in elected office? IF you believe not, then show me the laws, because it would be discriminatory.So, you put the life of an unborn baby before that of the pregnant mother. Lumping "Pro Life" in with the term "Choice" doesn't quite make sense. You can be pro-life and make the CHOICE to NOT have an abortion but if there isn't any CHOICE then those who wish to have an abortion can't CHOOSE so in the event that Roe vs. Wade is overturned then there really isn't any CHOICE is there?Does that make sense to you lung-killer?

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

No problem sycophant. Actually I am a man...soon to be married to a beautiful woman. Powershopper was a name I just randomly pulled off of the page. Helps keep up the anonymity I guess. By default, I am not a feminist but do believe you can't break the glass ceiling by throwing babies at it. At the end of the day what bothers me is that this whole thing stinks and is an absolute insult to women who embrace their equality. What you said was succinct (don't even try to figure that word out kidmystic), straight to the point, and -- in my opinion-- brilliant. You're welcome for the props.

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ASBESTOS 5 years, 7 months ago

Syncophant posted:"Nonsense. The "cause for the advancement for women" requires electing woman who advocate the advancement of women, and not a hypocritcal, far right idealogue who is nothing but a shilll and sycophant for the tired politics of grumpy old men."What business is it of a bunch of liberal grumpy old women and a bunch of barren grumpy liberal witches how Sarah Palin or Her daughter chooses to express theri reproductive rights?Remember that "Choice"? Their "Choice" is "Pro Life", how come you guys want only to abort babies? How abpout their Choices in life, can't they choose them, and aspire to be in elected office? IF you believe not, then show me the laws, because it would be discriminatory.I have never seen such putrid sexism and hyprocisy form the DNC, and I think this is going to lose them the election. People simply are not going to put up with this nonsense form the far left idiots!!!!!

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

To the Sycophant, I am pointing out the complete folly of those who claim to know why Bristol did what she did and who dare to lay blame on the abstinence teaching preference of her mother. I am suggesting, no, I am declaiming, that those who would disparage this child for her personal troubles and publicly speculate about her sex life, for the purpose of making political points, exist in a moral vacuum.

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ndmoderate 5 years, 7 months ago

I wonder when the wedding will be?

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 7 months ago

Kook: "In Bristol's case, her bad, and only, choice was having unprotected sex with her boyfriend."Rather than a "bad choice" or a "mistake" ( as has been suggested above ) , maybe it's simply a... development... in her life.

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Kookamooka 5 years, 7 months ago

Actually, Flock of Jayhawks, I'm an extremely liberal, pro-choice-feminist. This may come as a shock but it's true. I have no intentions of voting for McCain or Palin because they are anti-choice. Bristol doesn't have a choice. Her mother and her mothers' party require her to have the baby, and keep it. In Bristol's case, her bad, and only, choice was having unprotected sex with her boyfriend. It's a choice she will have to live with the rest of her life. Let's hope they don't choose other, more tragic, ways out.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Godot wrote: "Alaska has a very strong, comprehensive sex education policy in its public schools."Wrong, Godot. While sex education is mandatory in Alaska public schools, education on contraception is not required. Furthermore, I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting that Bristol's pregnancy is the result of the alleged "permissive atmosphere" precipated by so-called "comprehensive sex education." If you are, you're a fool. have you ever thought that absent the bible-thumping abstinence only philsophy of her parents, which, one would logically surmise, was beat into her like a dead horse, Bristol may have had a good sense to have protected sex?.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the props, powershopper. As a man, Its good to know that women (am I being presumptous in assuming you are a woman?) such as youself realize that not all of us are complete a$$holes.

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Godot 5 years, 7 months ago

Alaska has a very strong, comprehensive sex education policy in its public schools, and it ranks with the District of Columbia as one of the two most highly ranked states in the support for and availability of contraceptives and family planning services. In Alaska, children are able to obtain contracepties without parental consent and without parental notification. Emergency contraceptives are easily obtained through pharmacists. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state_data/states/alaska.htmlThe evidence suggests that though Palin supports abstinence based sex education, that policy has not been implemented so far during her term as governor. Her children have participated in comprehensive sex education since grade school.Looks like that worked out well for Bristol.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 7 months ago

It's notably strange that the same people that are crying "leave her alone" are the exact same people that would be screaming "burn her at the stake" if it wasn't for the political stripe and current circumstance of her mother.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Kidmystic -- Did you just refer to Barack and Michelle fist bump as terroristic? Interesting observation coming from somebody who has a hard time spelling "despite". Also, what are "drive-bys" and what is a "down's child?" Just a little confused about what yer tryin' to git at.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Sycophant said:Nonsense. The "cause for the advancement for women" requires electing woman who advocate the advancement of women, and not a hypocritcal, far right idealogue who is nothing but a shilll and sycophant for the tired politics of grumpy old men. Your comment evidences something very clear: you have no respect for women. They are way to smart to cast their vote for someone merely because the only thing they have in common is a vagina.Brilliant!

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bombshell 5 years, 7 months ago

RestoreReason:Obama has expressed that family issues should be left alone. How is that showing a double standard from the Democrats? The media is the one taking this newsworthy bit of info and running with it.Palin does run on a severely anti-abortion campaign (regardless of circumstances like rape victims, etc) and she wants to put abstinence only sex education into the classroom. The fact that her own daughter is pregnant at 17 and is keeping the child reflects on her mother's antiabortion beliefs, but it definately seems to highlight what happens when you eliminate access to contraceptives and education concerning the use of such contraceptives through abstinence only sex ed. Does that even include education on how they can reduce the risk of spreading STDs? They're just going to tell everyone to stop having sex until you're "old enough" to have babies? She doesn't even support contraceptives for married couples who don't want to get pregnant...

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Larry Bauerle 5 years, 7 months ago

Why did such concern about dealing with family issues outside of the political limelight not impact Al (compared with Ghandi, JFK and MLK !!!) Gore when his son had issues during campaigning? Gender or Political Party?

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RestoreReason 5 years, 7 months ago

JohnBrown:"Palin had to know her daughter's pregnancy would become public, as did McCain. Once it became known, it would, as a matter of course, become a topic of discussion. "How so? The media respected the Clintons' request and refused to cover Chelsea Clinton, even when she became an adult. They also largely ignored Al Gore III arrest during the 2000 Democrat National Convention. We're seeing yet another blatant double standard from the Democrats and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself).

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 7 months ago

BigDog (Anonymous) says:"Thank you a_flock_of_jayhawks for demonstrating my point."If that's your point, then you're missing a few things that are required to lend it any reason. Um, so what was your point?Last time I checked, people vote for what they feel is best, usually for themselves, at least that's what the polisci courses I took said. It's often what puts food on the table, what costs me less and gives me more, sometimes driven by social or economic initiatives that may only affect them indirectly. Given that, people would vote for a yellow dog if it can deliver, nothing about advancing the rights, standing, or profile of yellow dogs in America.If it's solely about women to you, maybe you can write in your mom on your ballot. I assume she would get your vote.

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Haiku_Cuckoo 5 years, 7 months ago

Why should I care if her daughter is expecting? As long as she doesn't use welfare dollars to support it I couldn't care less.

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kidmystic 5 years, 7 months ago

lay off her poor little daughter! this isn't news. obama not wearing a flag pin on his lapel, or how he terroristically fist-bumped his wife on stage, that's news you liberal drive-bys!and mrs. palin's values leave me in a state of wonder. who else would love her country so much that should would hit the road with mccain dispite having a young down's child at home, another son leaving for iraq in a week, and a teenage daughter that is having a baby in 4 monhts! she's a great american!!!! forget uncle sam, it's mother palin!

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RedwoodCoast 5 years, 7 months ago

You know, I have no sympathy for the folks getting upset at these criticisms of Palin. Just remind yourselves of the disparaging nick-names and comments you all have been making about Obama during the past year. I think people are just pointing out contradictions with the life and perceived agenda of Mrs. Palin. I haven't heard anyone trying to tie her to Muslim terrorists or racists, which is much worse in my opinion. By the way, I feel that Obama's reaction to criticism of Palin's family life is honorable and commendable.

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Wendy magillicutty 5 years, 7 months ago

amen kmat. and yet we are stuck with what we get; those who run for public office will be elitist, megalomaniac, egotistical, hypocritical, stupid, smart, brilliant and ignorant. it is the nature of the beast. we can only hold every one of their feet to the fires.

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kmat 5 years, 7 months ago

Big Dog - this is not about the advancement of women, it's about electing the right kind of leadership that this country needs. I am a liberal feminist, but supported Obama because I honestly didn't think Clinton would be as good for our country as Obama would be. I would love to see a woman prez or VP, but will not vote for anyone simply on the basis of gender.Anyone that will vote for McCain because he chose a female running mate is not patriotic and doesn't have this country's best interest at heart. For you to claim that women that don't support Palin are against the advancement of women is absurd.If Palin had her way, birth control wouln't be legal. She is not a feminist.

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

"I never thought I would live to see the day when democrats: 1)criticized a candidate for picking a female running mate 2) focused on the fact that the running mate has a mentally disabled child 3) used the candidate's teenage daughter as cannon fodder in the campaign."Please provide an example of a prior post doing this. I cannot recall one. You pathetic conservatives are trying to garner media sympathy for the woefully inappropriate VP candidate. She deserves none. Her family? I am quite sure they all wish that good old Mom was not quite so ambitious.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Big Dog wrote: Many like you support women only if they share your political ideology :. not for the cause of advancement for women.Nonsense. The "cause for the advancement for women" requires electing woman who advocate the advancement of women, and not a hypocritcal, far right idealogue who is nothing but a shilll and sycophant for the tired politics of grumpy old men. Your comment evidences something very clear: you have no respect for women. They are way to smart to cast their vote for someone merely because the only thing they have in common is a vagina. .

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jayhawklawrence 5 years, 7 months ago

The Republicans have almost no issues left to attract voters so they are trying to start fights and paint themselves as victims. It is a counterpunch strategy, so I think we should avoid falling into that trap. Let them hang themselves. They have done a good job of that for the last 8 years.

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BigDog 5 years, 7 months ago

Thank you a_flock_of_jayhawks for demonstrating my point. Many like you support women only if they share your political ideology .... not for the cause of advancement for women.

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JohnBrown 5 years, 7 months ago

It's about Palin, and it's about McCain's first Presidential Decision, not about the kids.Palin had to know her daughter's pregnancy would become public, as did McCain. Once it became known, it would, as a matter of course, become a topic of discussion. By accepting the nomination, Palin allowed this to occur.More importantly, Palin seems to have lied about her self-described fights with the 'good ol boys'.Excerpts from the WashingtonPost.com (today)Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group. :In fiscal 2000, Wasilla received a $1 million earmark, tucked into a transportation appropriations bill, for a rail and bus project in the town. And in the winter of 2000, Palin appeared before congressional appropriations committees to seek earmarks, according to a report in the Anchorage Daily News.Palin and the Wasilla City Council increased Silver's fee from $24,000 to $36,000 a year by 2001, Senate records show.Soon after, the city benefited from additional earmarks: $500,000 for a mental health center, $500,000 for the purchase of federal land and $450,000 to rehabilitate an agricultural processing facility. Then there was the $15 million rail project, intended to connect Wasilla with the town of Girdwood, where Stevens has a house.The Washington trip is now an annual event for Wasilla officials.In fiscal year 2002, Wasilla took in $6.1 million in earmarks - about $1,000 in federal money for every resident. By contrast, Boise, Idaho - which has more than 190,000 residents - received $6.9 million in earmarks in fiscal 2008.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 7 months ago

BigPrune says,"it seems what they were really saying is we want a woman who is not conservative to be President or Vice_President."Amen. Conservatives have had their chance and failed miserably. Time for a change and GOP gots nothing.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 7 months ago

BigPrune says,"I give the JW ONE day to get it's act together. If it cannot, goodbye. You lefties can have yourselves to argue with, won't that be boring. I'm also going satellite and dsl."Don't let the door hit you in the rear. Buh bye.

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BigDog 5 years, 7 months ago

It is quite sickening for the Party who pushes all these programs and funds under the banner of "its for the children" and "the children are our future" one moment.And say they stand up for women and that women have been kept down in this country from achieving the highest offices.Words ..... not actions are the measurement of beliefs???? Guess words matter more.Because what I am seeing is a merciless attack by bloggers and left-leaning media outlets upon her daughter ..... and bringing up her son who has a disability constantly ... even reporting the crap from moveon.org that the child with Downs belonged to the daughter.Questioning why she would put her daughter through this .... why she isn't home with her son ... being a mom. Never questioning why Obama was putting his family through this scrutiny .. why he wasn't home more spending time with his kids It is okay in their minds to go after Palin's 17 year old daughter and her life but it is off-limits to scrutinize Michelle Obama. The left-leaning media won't scrutinize or judge Obama based upon the company he's kept (convicted felon Tony Rezco, terrorist Bill Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, etc.). It is okay to forget about Joe Biden making racist comments about people from India, or how Biden's son and brother are being sued for ripping off business partners in a hedge fund deal.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082302200.html Many of these same people wanted a woman as President or Vice-President ..... it seems what they were really saying is we want a woman who is not conservative to be President or Vice_President.

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blahblahblah 5 years, 7 months ago

Palin has put her disabled child front and center, literally:http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20222685,00.htmlFamily values for sure.

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 5 years, 7 months ago

I never thought I would live to see the day when democrats: 1)criticized a candidate for picking a female running mate 2) focused on the fact that the running mate has a mentally disabled child 3) used the candidate's teenage daughter as cannon fodder in the campaign. What happened to my party?

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Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

beatrice (Anonymous) says:Nobody's business. I agree. So why did mom tell everyone?******Because if she didn't, looney left Demorats like you would have, spinning the hell out of it in the process.Good job, Sarah!

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d_prowess 5 years, 7 months ago

I hope that Sarah Palin now refrains from including her children (all of them) in her speeches given that everyone seems to want to respect their privacy. It seems hard to justify not talking about them in the media, if she ends up bringing them into her speech this week at the convention. She should just stick to her record and her vision for the country.

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Phil Minkin 5 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone really think that if Obama has an unmarried, pregnant 17 year old that the religious right wing would't be ranting about liberal immorality and lack of values. Further, what does this say about the Govs strong support of abstinence only being taught in the schools?

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Tony Kisner 5 years, 7 months ago

It worries me that most of our political debate is like watching Jerry Springer.

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nschmi04 5 years, 7 months ago

BigPrune (Anonymous) says: The left starts it off, Palin's child with Down's is really her daughters and Palin is the grandmother.The LEFT including Obama are the ones to blame for this having to come out.I give the JW ONE day to get it's act together. If it cannot, goodbye. You lefties can have yourselves to argue with, won't that be boring. I'm also going satellite and dsl.----------------------------------------------------------------------------Is this the most self-rightous crap I've ever heard? Are we suppose to care that this moron will leave the ljworld? Who gives a crap?Somebody sounds defeated. Moron.

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davidnta 5 years, 7 months ago

TacoBob, it's hypocrisy because Palin is a governor of a state and advocates a policy of abstinence only education. I don't care if this woman is pro-life, that is her choice to make. What I do care about is the policy that she puts forth that blinds us to the dangers of STIs, HIV, and unplanned pregnancies. She is irresponsible, unintelligent, and undeserving to be a heart beat away from the Presidency.

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staff04 5 years, 7 months ago

I agree with this comment:"she is a self-described "hockey mom"""Once she's brought her children in as selling points, unfortunately the bad comes in with the good," says Lisa Bloom, a Court TV anchor. "She's integrating her mom quality as a key part of her resume. We didn't do that in the press; she did that."------------------------------------------------------------Unfortunately, Gov. Palin also has attempted to lay claim to the moral high ground. While the actions of her daughter are certainly not her own, they still reflect on her.

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BigPrune 5 years, 7 months ago

The left starts it off, Palin's child with Down's is really her daughters and Palin is the grandmother.The LEFT including Obama are the ones to blame for this having to come out.I give the JW ONE day to get it's act together. If it cannot, goodbye. You lefties can have yourselves to argue with, won't that be boring. I'm also going satellite and dsl.

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75x55 5 years, 7 months ago

The uber-classy left in action. Again.

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powershopper 5 years, 7 months ago

Palin put her daughter in this position and nobody else. There have been many great politicians who have strayed away from the office of the president because they didn't want put their family through the undue pressure of constantly being in the Media spotlight. If she wanted her daugher "left alone" then she would have respectfully turned McCain down. Judging by recent rhetoric from their camp, Palin, and McCain, have leveraged this situation for political gain. Particularly in pandering to the pro-lifers. Makes we wonder if this has been part of the plan all along.

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

"You've got to be bored with yourself by now."Pointing out the hypocricy of right wing zealots is never boring. Ok, want something new, glad to oblige. McCain is a first rate moron for not doing a better job of vetting this woman. Actually make that vetting her at all. Is this man competent to make decisions on behalf of the country? If this is any indication of his process and the likely result, the answer is a big, fat, NO.

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jaywalker 5 years, 7 months ago

"And beat the living daylights out of her hypocrite mother who needlessly put her daughter through this media blitz and who wants to impose her religious beliefs on all women and yet who hypocritically expects the taxpayers of Alaska to foot the bill for her decisions, rather than relying on her own family resources."I see you're now stealing a page from beatrice' playbook. Don't come with anything new or fresh, just keep repeating the same tired lines, none of which have merit or truth. What's that make it, Scott? 5, 6, 7, 10 times you've written the same crappola? You've got to be bored with yourself by now. On a side note, I'd like to start a new wealth building project. I'd like to receive a dime every time someone uses the phrase, in any variation, of "Can you imagine what the right would be saying if this happened to Obama?" Ever the victims, our idealistic and unrealistic children.

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Great poiints, Deb. John McCains's cynical campaign slogan is "Country First." If Ms. Palin puts herself ahead of her family, one would surmise that her country isn't very high on her list either.

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KEITHMILES05 5 years, 7 months ago

The governor is the one that created the public stir. She didn't have to tell us but she did. Now, the news seesm to be fair game for public scrutiny.

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coltrane 5 years, 7 months ago

thanks Deb,exactly what my mother says about this situation.

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Deb Stavin 5 years, 7 months ago

I agree that we should respect Bristol Palin's privacy. However, this situation raises significant issues about SARAH Palin's judgement & readiness for the office she seeks, and THAT subject is anything but "off limits."Any parent, male or female, with a special-needs newborn, a pregnant teenage daughter, and three other children, faces enormous personal responsibilities. I'm dumbfounded that Gov. Palin would agree to take on the grueling schedule of a high-profile political role at such a delicate time in the life of her family. In addition, she has willingly exposed her family and that of Levi Johnston to relentless public scrutiny. That, more than anything, has convinced me that her judgement is faulty and she is unfit for the second-highest political office in the country.-Deb Stavin

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Bob Forer 5 years, 7 months ago

Such news should usually be dismissed as private and irrelevant. But the rules are a little different in this case. Palin is an abstinence, anti sex-ed, anti birth control, anti-abortion, creationist wingnut who arrogantly seeks to foist her narrowed minded beliefs and lifestyle upon the rest of us. The proof is in the pudding. As her "methods" evidently failed with her own daughter, whom she has had control over for seventeen years, what business does she have telling the rest of us what to do? Bug off, Miss Sarah. You're a joke.

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jonas 5 years, 7 months ago

Christ Epp, do you think you're actually doing anything other than discrediting yourself?

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 7 months ago

TacoBob: "You raise your children and hope they don't make life-changing mistakes."It's the ones making mistakes without benefit of change for whom concern is warranted.And, regarding that "poor girl"... in her expectant condition-she appears to be rather wealthy, especially because she was not "left alone" with her circumstance.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 7 months ago

Listen to your dude." "Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."Obama said reporters should "back off these kinds of stories" and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother."How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off-limits.""http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/obama.palin/index.html

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

Leave the poor girl alone!!And beat the living daylights out of her hypocrite mother who needlessly put her daughter through this media blitz and who wants to impose her religious beliefs on all women and yet who hypocritically expects the taxpayers of Alaska to foot the bill for her decisions, rather than relying on her own family resources.

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scott3460 5 years, 7 months ago

"How bad is it?"I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven. To have it planned at the same time that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities at the top of the Mississippi River." -Michael Moore."Let's see, the "Reverend" John Hagee 3 years ago blamed Hurricane Katrina on a homosexual parade in New Orleans. Think Moore might have had his tongue firmly planted in cheek?

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fleeba 5 years, 7 months ago

Very true, duplenty.I have to agree that the daughter's "issues" should be off limited, but the integrity and family values of the mom, Sarah, is full game. As it would be with any candidate, regardless of party.

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Tom Shewmon 5 years, 7 months ago

This will most assuredly creat even yet more harsh backlash against the far-left, who is steering the Democratic Party this election year.They are hopeless and pathetic.How bad is it?"I was just thinking, this Gustav is proof that there is a God in heaven. To have it planned at the same time that it would actually be on its way to New Orleans for day one of the Republican Convention, up in the Twin Cities at the top of the Mississippi River." -Michael Moore.

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TacoBob 5 years, 7 months ago

What hypocrisy? You raise your children and hope they don't make life-changing mistakes. But sometimes they do. Hypocrisy would be getting pregnant and then aborting. Dems would be disappointed if their daughter got pregnant, but would support her in all ways, as they should.You stand up for your principles, don't be surprised when others stand up for theirs.

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thebcman 5 years, 7 months ago

gotta agree w/duplenty. if the republicans had this to use against the democrats, they would milk it 'til it's dry. anyone who says otherwise is a big fat liar.

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beatrice 5 years, 7 months ago

TacoBob, it all depends. Will mom try to push abstinence only sex ed on others, knowing full well such teaching doesn't even work in her own house? That is the discussion worth having. By the way, great logon name.

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duplenty 5 years, 7 months ago

I f***ing love it. If it happens to a republican, it's "no one else's business".If it happens to a Dem, it's a symbol of how their liberalism has destroyed their "family values" or some such BS.How is it that an entire political persuasion of people cannot fathom the meaning of the word "hypocrisy"?

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TacoBob 5 years, 7 months ago

Uh beatrice?Had to be dealt with, and so it is. Now, per your comment, you will be moving on?

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beatrice 5 years, 7 months ago

Nobody's business. I agree. So why did mom tell everyone?

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TacoBob 5 years, 7 months ago

Beats bed wetting liberals that kill theirs.

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Todd Epp 5 years, 7 months ago

Republican out of wedlock babies rock!

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