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Threaded Comments. Yes or No?

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Since I can't create a poll (which would actually be a cool upgrade), what do you all think....

Threaded Comments. Yes or No?

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hail2oldku 4 years, 8 months ago

While I thought I might like it at first, my vote is now NO.

I have found that the threading is inconsistent when making replies and note that there are others that either don't use it, don't know how to use it, or run into the same inconsistancy that I have run into. At any rate, it can make the person replying look more foolish as opposed to either quoting the poster they are replying to or doing the old @T_O_B when replying.

Jonathan Kealing 4 years, 8 months ago

I've seen two reports of that happening. Not really sure what's going on, but we'll look into it. Could be a javascript problem on your individual machine or on the site itself. Just not sure yet.

verity 4 years, 8 months ago

Seems to work for me. I think it's great.

madameX 4 years, 8 months ago

I vote yes, it makes it easier to follow a conversation, although maybe there could be a "view threaded" or "view flat" option for folks who prefer one or the other.

Boston_Corbett 4 years, 8 months ago

I think a much more significant improvement would be a "mute" function so I could tune out: -bandwidth abuse (Merrill) -idiocy (Cool, Bronze, Paulette) -shrill politics (Shewmon)

And if they knew they were losing eyeballs, they would naturally become a bit more civic in their posting habits.

meggers 4 years, 8 months ago

The jury is still out, although if the LJW sticks with threading, I'm hoping they will also update the mobile format. I checked the site on my phone and didn't see threading, which apparently means that if I want to post something from there, I'll only be able to respond to the original post.

Mr. Kealing, is a mobile update in the works?

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

i vote no, i'm too slow and it takes too much time to access the threaded comments with most of it hidden and when i decide i don't want to read the comment it takes too much time to get back to the thread and start over -- see, i'm just too slow and i also don't like the login feature over and over...but who cares about my opinion anyway...

btw, i'm on dial up so i'm even slower...hard enough to maintain patience for that!

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

i also don't understand the 'yellowed comment' -- what does that mean or is my 'yellowed' comment just for me to see?

Jonathan Kealing 4 years, 8 months ago

A comment is yellow when you permalink to it. Makes it easier to see where you're trying to go. It goes away and only displays to the person who clicks the permalink button.

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

no, i don't understand because my last comment isn't 'yellowed' but the one before that is ... i think i might just give up which may be the purpose of this whole thing anyway...

Chris Golledge 4 years, 8 months ago

There are tradeoffs both ways. Threading, in general, makes in easier to follow individual lines of reasoning, but sometimes topics within lines wander into the same territory, become interrelated, and then it would nice to be able to merge them. It'll be harder to spot and keep track of when this has occurred and some points will be missed.

beatrice 4 years, 8 months ago

Reply button presently not working on this thread, so I vote No.

Jonathan Kealing 4 years, 8 months ago

We're investigating why the reply form is only sporadically not working. Very peculiar. Bear with us.

riverdrifter 4 years, 8 months ago

I've had none of the problems mentioned above yet. I'm wishy-washy as heck on this new format. It has its advantages & yet it is a world changer. I like the fact that we can skip right by the-five percenters hammering away at each other but I think just sticking with the old with the added mute function would've been fine. Go to that awful Larryville style format & I'm out of here.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 8 months ago

I sort of like the idea because it also helps keeps interpersonal disputes combined, so we can read the train wrecks if we want, or we can skip past them and go on down to the next train wreck..err. I mean comments.

notajayhawk 4 years, 8 months ago

jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) replies…

"I've seen two reports of that happening. Not really sure what's going on, but we'll look into it. Could be a javascript problem on your individual machine or on the site itself. Just not sure yet."

Happening still. Of course, here at work, I'm using that little known and rarely used web browser called Internet Explorer.

RoeDapple 4 years, 8 months ago

Before nota posted below, I tried to reply to multi's post. The new software wanted me to sign in, then when I tried to post again I got the same thing. After nota posted I am now able to reply to multi. I can also reply to nota's post. In the mean time I was distracted by another blog, responded to it, came back to find T_O_B has posted. Fix it or not, I liked it just fine the way it was. A big part of why I enjoy(ed) the LJW site is/was it's simplicity. As my old pappy used to say,"If it ain't broke then why are you trying so dang hard to fix it???"

RoeDapple 4 years, 8 months ago

And my reply to multi became the next in the string instead of a reply to multi!

LadyJ 4 years, 8 months ago

If I remember correctly, the newspaper in Colorado (where the nude gardening occurred) when you replied to a comment, it was hiddened unless you clicked on the 'replies' button. It would tell how many replies there were, but you didn't see them. I think that idea would be great.

thebigspoon 4 years, 8 months ago

I agree--there was nothing wrong with the old system. The fact that we had to wade thru lots of strange and wonderful (?) commentsw, simply meant that we were seeing all viewpoints. I don't like this new deal, but I'm not a techno-whiz like you all. Just wish there were a way to go back.

RoeDapple 4 years, 8 months ago

Anybody else notice the ads/gray boxes have gone away from between every tenth post?

RoeDapple 4 years, 8 months ago

Shoulda kept my mouth shut. they're back

RoeDapple 4 years, 8 months ago

Now that is confusing! before my last comment the gray boxes were gone. Then they were back! Now they are gone!!!! Haven't hallucinated like this since '68

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

what multi said at 12:39 p.m. and what roe said at 1:24 p.m. -- now that's the way to follow the threads....

i'm a copy cat -- ♠free the threads♠

LadyJ 4 years, 8 months ago

Seems threading is not the only new thing they have done. I tried to play along with the whole country cuzin misspelling on the gardner blog. Made the mistake, unintentionally of course, by spelling country with a cun followed by tree and got the message upon previewing the comment Watch your mouth! The words "c--t" are not allowed here. Now surely there are words out there that contain, in their spelling, part of an offensive word. What would have happened if I hadn't changed the spelling and hit post anyway? Would it have posted anyway?

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

well heck! Multi, Ro, TOB and RI said all the really good stuff already!

not just no, but he|| no! lotta cr*p cluttering up my puter.
go back to the way it was:

free the threads!

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

here we go again...♠free the threads♠

classclown 4 years, 8 months ago

No. Although as Multi said above, it doesn't matter. LJW wants it so they won't change it back. We're stuck with it.

As for myself, I won't use it. I'll make whatever replies I want to any post the same way as I've always done. At the bottom of the comments where they should be.

Of course that brings up an interesting question. Will a new group of "thread nazis" arise to complain about people not replying to the appropriate threads? Will moderators start moving posts around to be placed in their so called proper threads? Or will they they simply get grayed out as a violation to a new term in the usage agreement?

And for those of you that want and keep asking for an ignore function, forget it. They'll never put one in place. If users start using it to ignore certain people then they'll be deprived of the opportunities to make a post just to call someone an idiot or some other derogatory term. That also means there won't be any reciprocate posts leading to a flame war in the comments section which means less comments posted which in turn means less clicks.

More clicks=more ad revenue. Therefore it's in LJW's financial interest to keep the bickering going.

headdoctor 4 years, 8 months ago

I want to thank LJW for helping me organize my time better. I have no intention of wasting the time to reread a thread over and over again to catch the newer replies, especially on a longer thread. Thanks again for helping reorganize my day. Instead of spending several hours a week on this site, now I mostly just check in to see what the temperature is or maybe for breaking news. For those that have the time to waste, enjoy your new toys.

jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

I took the time to look around for a bit, and now I have to vote no as well. Some other forums that I visit are threaded, but have a much smaller posting base, and it works okay there. There are too many people posting too many things in too many directions, and it just winds up being hard to follow. The Readers Reaction was threaded, if I recall, but it showed the user name only and not the content of the post, I believe, unless you clicked on it yourself. There's just too much here.

I saw only one advantage to this format, and that was the above-mentioned ability to shoot past the 5 percenters arguing one way or the other. Here's the problem: they're not using the reply feature. Probably should have anticipated it, really, as they all believe that their endlessly recycled opinions are of extreme importance, and wouldn't want anybody to miss them off to the right of the thread.

So no, this is pointless clutter.

headdoctor 4 years, 8 months ago

jonas_opines (anonymous) says… So no, this is pointless clutter.


Yup. It seems Dolph and company always has to try and one up everyone else but at this point I think they would have been better off using a PHP 3.0 format instead of some hand written test as you go mess. At least with 3.0 there would already have been user friendly admin tools and user tools including an ignore feature, word censor, and edit abilities. It would also have had a reasonable banning feature and a decent way to automatically cut down on unwanted bot registration. All they would have had to do is write the code and they could have embedded all the adds and video crap they wanted to. The only thing that might have been sacrificed would have been the Breaking news header which could have been worked around. With the right server it could have handled all the hits they needed it to.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

and ... Katara illustrates the uselessness of this new threadedidedinessesses.

pleaze! free the blogs, free the threads! this is an utter mess!

amazing, Jonas actually agreed with me above, too. that should tell you something LJWorld admin.

please return this space to the way it was. the "more like this," links at end of stories is great and I appreciate that, but please put comments back to what they were!!!!!!

jonas_opines 4 years, 8 months ago

C'mon Gnome, we're usually in the same ballpark on topics not concerning politics or religion.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

jonas_opines (anonymous) says…

C'mon Gnome, we're usually in the same ballpark on topics not concerning politics or religion.

---well, yeah, but for the sake of pressuring ljworld admin, I did exaggerate slightly.
when you don't have religion or politics, ... what's left? lol.

please free the threads
return this space to what it was!

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

it's not just your computer...whenever i click on the extended replies i get an incompatability error and the whole thing reloads and i can't read them....I HATE THREADED COMMENTS!!!

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

ok, i'll do my part in trying to keep this on the 'most read' list. it seems that most people who object to the threads have just given up and 'adjusted' but i don't like the way i have to adjust. i don't want to change browsers. if that is the only way the problem can be resolved i may just pick up my marbles and go home but of course nobody is really going to miss me so the threaded nightmare will continue...

btw, katara i admire your tenacity in making your 'long winded' comments...i just scrolled through the comments again and appreciated what you had to say...did putting on your 'big girl panties' help?

so, jonathan, is there no hope for those of us wandering around in the threads complaining?

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

i meant 'most discussed' -- there, that ought to give it another bump...

rbwaa 4 years, 8 months ago

where is the groundswell of protesters? ♣free the threads♣

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