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Threaded Comments. Yes or No?

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Since I can't create a poll (which would actually be a cool upgrade), what do you all think....

Threaded Comments. Yes or No?

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rbwaa 4 years ago

where is the groundswell of protesters? ♣free the threads♣

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rbwaa 4 years ago

i meant 'most discussed' -- there, that ought to give it another bump...

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rbwaa 4 years ago

ok, i'll do my part in trying to keep this on the 'most read' list. it seems that most people who object to the threads have just given up and 'adjusted' but i don't like the way i have to adjust. i don't want to change browsers. if that is the only way the problem can be resolved i may just pick up my marbles and go home but of course nobody is really going to miss me so the threaded nightmare will continue...

btw, katara i admire your tenacity in making your 'long winded' comments...i just scrolled through the comments again and appreciated what you had to say...did putting on your 'big girl panties' help?

so, jonathan, is there no hope for those of us wandering around in the threads complaining?

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Pywacket 4 years ago

rbwaa~ Thank you! Maybe no one has an explanation, but at least I know it's not just me...

It would be nice to know how to fix the problem. Jonathan? Anyone?

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rbwaa 4 years ago

♠FREE THE THREADS♠

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rbwaa 4 years ago

it's not just your computer...whenever i click on the extended replies i get an incompatability error and the whole thing reloads and i can't read them....I HATE THREADED COMMENTS!!!

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Pywacket 4 years ago

Haha~ That show was a treasure.

Well, shoot... this thing has slid off the popular list again, and nobody's suggested a reason why I can't read the replies in their entirety. Anyone else have the same problem? (See above..) Can't just be my 'puter, can it?

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autie 4 years ago

Who am I, Ricky Ricardo? just be glad you're not.

Being Ricky ain't easy.

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

"It makes it very hard when the comments get to be 100+ to find and read the newest comments. When there is a new comment you have to search through the entire thing to find it'

Pay attention to that statement, JK. All this threading does is clutter up the comments.

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Pywacket 4 years ago

Ha! No, wasn't it usually Lucy who had to do the 'splainin'? I hope some tech-savvy Lucy comes to my rescue soon. Who knows what drivel I might be missing?

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prospector 4 years ago

/think

Who am I, Ricky Ricardo?

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Pywacket 4 years ago

Thanks, T_O_B and Prospector! I'm just hoping someone reads my pity party post who can 'splain things for me and (even better) offer some easy, miraculous solution.

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autie 4 years ago

April 8, @3:38? schzoid moment

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prospector 4 years ago

I think most are ignoring it, it appears. You rarely see one go more than 4 or 5 comments. Anyway, the 'Grinders', Merrill, Tom, Pender, ad nauseum's would never thing of using it.

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Liberty_One 4 years ago

No, I do not like the threaded comments. It makes it very hard when the comments get to be 100+ to find and read the newest comments. When there is a new comment you have to search through the entire thing to find it.

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prospector 4 years ago

Yay, this thread thing sucks ditch water.

I will do my part to assist Bob in getting in front of Anna.

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Pywacket 4 years ago

As far as technology is concerned, what doesn't kill ya just makes ya irritated as hell....

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Pywacket 4 years ago

Spam, spam, spam, eggs & spam.....

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Pywacket 4 years ago

Sigh.... And now I suppose I'm going to have to make a pest of myself, posting enough comments here to get this to reappear on the "most discussed" list. ;-)

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Pywacket 4 years ago

Now that it's been here a few days, I still don't have a strong opinion, yea or nay, about threading per se, but there's a major problem--at least on my computer. Most of the replies are truncated and there seems to be no way to expand them to read the person's entire response.

For instance, scrolling up to Autie's April 8, 3:38 pm post, I can read the first reply but the next one is truncated where it says, "OK, I know" and the letter "w" is even cut off right in the middle. Clicking on that reply only takes me back to the top of the blog post, rather than expanding the reply.

Anyone (Jonathan?) know why I can't read the rest of these? It's really annoying when there is a whole chain of replies, and I can just read the first line or two of each of them--or when someone is replying to me--since I can't tell what they're saying, I don't know if they finished with a question they'd like an answer to, or what...

I use a PC and Internet Explorer to read the LJW site and have never had any problems before. I suppose I could try Firefox--haven't done that, yet.... Any insight would be appreciated.

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bearded_gnome 4 years ago

jonas_opines (anonymous) says…

C'mon Gnome, we're usually in the same ballpark on topics not concerning politics or religion.

---well, yeah, but for the sake of pressuring ljworld admin, I did exaggerate slightly.
when you don't have religion or politics, ... what's left? lol.

please free the threads
return this space to what it was!

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jonas_opines 4 years ago

C'mon Gnome, we're usually in the same ballpark on topics not concerning politics or religion.

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bearded_gnome 4 years ago

and ... Katara illustrates the uselessness of this new threadedidedinessesses.

pleaze! free the blogs, free the threads! this is an utter mess!

amazing, Jonas actually agreed with me above, too. that should tell you something LJWorld admin.

please return this space to the way it was. the "more like this," links at end of stories is great and I appreciate that, but please put comments back to what they were!!!!!!

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headdoctor 4 years ago

jonas_opines (anonymous) says… So no, this is pointless clutter.


Yup. It seems Dolph and company always has to try and one up everyone else but at this point I think they would have been better off using a PHP 3.0 format instead of some hand written test as you go mess. At least with 3.0 there would already have been user friendly admin tools and user tools including an ignore feature, word censor, and edit abilities. It would also have had a reasonable banning feature and a decent way to automatically cut down on unwanted bot registration. All they would have had to do is write the code and they could have embedded all the adds and video crap they wanted to. The only thing that might have been sacrificed would have been the Breaking news header which could have been worked around. With the right server it could have handled all the hits they needed it to.

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jonas_opines 4 years ago

I took the time to look around for a bit, and now I have to vote no as well. Some other forums that I visit are threaded, but have a much smaller posting base, and it works okay there. There are too many people posting too many things in too many directions, and it just winds up being hard to follow. The Readers Reaction was threaded, if I recall, but it showed the user name only and not the content of the post, I believe, unless you clicked on it yourself. There's just too much here.

I saw only one advantage to this format, and that was the above-mentioned ability to shoot past the 5 percenters arguing one way or the other. Here's the problem: they're not using the reply feature. Probably should have anticipated it, really, as they all believe that their endlessly recycled opinions are of extreme importance, and wouldn't want anybody to miss them off to the right of the thread.

So no, this is pointless clutter.

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headdoctor 4 years ago

I want to thank LJW for helping me organize my time better. I have no intention of wasting the time to reread a thread over and over again to catch the newer replies, especially on a longer thread. Thanks again for helping reorganize my day. Instead of spending several hours a week on this site, now I mostly just check in to see what the temperature is or maybe for breaking news. For those that have the time to waste, enjoy your new toys.

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classclown 4 years ago

No. Although as Multi said above, it doesn't matter. LJW wants it so they won't change it back. We're stuck with it.

As for myself, I won't use it. I'll make whatever replies I want to any post the same way as I've always done. At the bottom of the comments where they should be.

Of course that brings up an interesting question. Will a new group of "thread nazis" arise to complain about people not replying to the appropriate threads? Will moderators start moving posts around to be placed in their so called proper threads? Or will they they simply get grayed out as a violation to a new term in the usage agreement?

And for those of you that want and keep asking for an ignore function, forget it. They'll never put one in place. If users start using it to ignore certain people then they'll be deprived of the opportunities to make a post just to call someone an idiot or some other derogatory term. That also means there won't be any reciprocate posts leading to a flame war in the comments section which means less comments posted which in turn means less clicks.

More clicks=more ad revenue. Therefore it's in LJW's financial interest to keep the bickering going.

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rbwaa 4 years ago

here we go again...♠free the threads♠

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bearded_gnome 4 years ago

well heck! Multi, Ro, TOB and RI said all the really good stuff already!

not just no, but he|| no! lotta cr*p cluttering up my puter.
go back to the way it was:

free the threads!

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LadyJ 4 years ago

Seems threading is not the only new thing they have done. I tried to play along with the whole country cuzin misspelling on the gardner blog. Made the mistake, unintentionally of course, by spelling country with a cun followed by tree and got the message upon previewing the comment Watch your mouth! The words "c--t" are not allowed here. Now surely there are words out there that contain, in their spelling, part of an offensive word. What would have happened if I hadn't changed the spelling and hit post anyway? Would it have posted anyway?

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

Thanks, Cool/Bronze/et al...

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rbwaa 4 years ago

what multi said at 12:39 p.m. and what roe said at 1:24 p.m. -- now that's the way to follow the threads....

i'm a copy cat -- ♠free the threads♠

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autie 4 years ago

what gray boxes? huh? I didn't see no yellow boxes neither. I did see a silver escort go by today...had a red couch tied to the top. We didn't land on collapsing threads, collapsing threads landed on us... free the threads

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spacehog 4 years ago

I'm all for it, as long as I don't have to buy a stupid IPAD.

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RoeDapple 4 years ago

Now that is confusing! before my last comment the gray boxes were gone. Then they were back! Now they are gone!!!! Haven't hallucinated like this since '68

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RoeDapple 4 years ago

Shoulda kept my mouth shut. they're back

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

Yeah, RoeD. Now I have no idea what the lunch specials are.

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RoeDapple 4 years ago

Anybody else notice the ads/gray boxes have gone away from between every tenth post?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 4 years ago

There was nothing functionally wrong with the way the comment sections were previously set up.
Once the ad revenue starts dropping, they will take a step back, but will it be too late?

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LadyJ 4 years ago

If I remember correctly, the newspaper in Colorado (where the nude gardening occurred) when you replied to a comment, it was hiddened unless you clicked on the 'replies' button. It would tell how many replies there were, but you didn't see them. I think that idea would be great.

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RoeDapple 4 years ago

And my reply to multi became the next in the string instead of a reply to multi!

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RoeDapple 4 years ago

Before nota posted below, I tried to reply to multi's post. The new software wanted me to sign in, then when I tried to post again I got the same thing. After nota posted I am now able to reply to multi. I can also reply to nota's post. In the mean time I was distracted by another blog, responded to it, came back to find T_O_B has posted. Fix it or not, I liked it just fine the way it was. A big part of why I enjoy(ed) the LJW site is/was it's simplicity. As my old pappy used to say,"If it ain't broke then why are you trying so dang hard to fix it???"

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

"Happening still. "

It is Karma. The interwebs overlords dissaprove of threaded commenting sections.

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notajayhawk 4 years ago

jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) replies…

"I've seen two reports of that happening. Not really sure what's going on, but we'll look into it. Could be a javascript problem on your individual machine or on the site itself. Just not sure yet."

Happening still. Of course, here at work, I'm using that little known and rarely used web browser called Internet Explorer.

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Multidisciplinary 4 years ago

I'd point out on here also, on a threaded layout, if you read 'so far down', and respond their at noon to a comment at 9 am using the reply method....you may well then find out after you've posted your comment, that 14 other people already said the same thing you did, or had other thought before you that came along between 9 am and noon, that you haven't gotten to yet.

Perhaps had you read them, you might not have posted your response (some of us may end up looking silly or very redundant, lol).

Thus, if you want to know what everyone has already said, you may still want to read the entire thread before responding to any particular comment, using which ever method, reply or linear as before.

Okay, now, to be honest. I'm really tired of 'rereading previous threads', and I haven't even read most of the articles yet.

JK, I hope you see this comment. My reading time is up for while, and I didn't get to see all your stories, the ads, the photos..because it was taken up with 'wading' through previous comments for new ones.

I know I know..LJW won't change a thing...they never do, this is falling on deaf ears. I just want you to know, and your advertisers to know.

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ivalueamerica 4 years ago

I sort of like the idea because it also helps keeps interpersonal disputes combined, so we can read the train wrecks if we want, or we can skip past them and go on down to the next train wreck..err. I mean comments.

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riverdrifter 4 years ago

I've had none of the problems mentioned above yet. I'm wishy-washy as heck on this new format. It has its advantages & yet it is a world changer. I like the fact that we can skip right by the-five percenters hammering away at each other but I think just sticking with the old with the added mute function would've been fine. Go to that awful Larryville style format & I'm out of here.

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beatrice 4 years ago

Reply button presently not working on this thread, so I vote No.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 4 years ago

autie, Some selected posts start out a yellowish peach, then fade to a pinkish peach.

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Chris Golledge 4 years ago

There are tradeoffs both ways. Threading, in general, makes in easier to follow individual lines of reasoning, but sometimes topics within lines wander into the same territory, become interrelated, and then it would nice to be able to merge them. It'll be harder to spot and keep track of when this has occurred and some points will be missed.

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autie 4 years ago

and I ain't seened no yellow no where..where is it supposed to be?

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rbwaa 4 years ago

no, i don't understand because my last comment isn't 'yellowed' but the one before that is ... i think i might just give up which may be the purpose of this whole thing anyway...

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rbwaa 4 years ago

ok, i think i understand now...

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rbwaa 4 years ago

i also don't understand the 'yellowed comment' -- what does that mean or is my 'yellowed' comment just for me to see?

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rbwaa 4 years ago

i vote no, i'm too slow and it takes too much time to access the threaded comments with most of it hidden and when i decide i don't want to read the comment it takes too much time to get back to the thread and start over -- see, i'm just too slow and i also don't like the login feature over and over...but who cares about my opinion anyway...

btw, i'm on dial up so i'm even slower...hard enough to maintain patience for that!

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meggers 4 years ago

The jury is still out, although if the LJW sticks with threading, I'm hoping they will also update the mobile format. I checked the site on my phone and didn't see threading, which apparently means that if I want to post something from there, I'll only be able to respond to the original post.

Mr. Kealing, is a mobile update in the works?

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MacHeath 4 years ago

I see nothing wrong with it.

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autie 4 years ago

♣Free the threads♣

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Pywacket 4 years ago

I don't have strong feelings one way or the other; I'm willing to give it a try and see how it feels in a week or two. Anything new requires a break-in period. They old way seems natural and the new way seems strange until you get used to it. For those who have not previously experienced threaded comments, at least try to be open minded and see if it grows on you.

Didn't the old Larryville (which has since become a toxic waste dump) have a simple, clickable option allowing you to choose how you wanted to view the comments? I wonder how hard it is to do that. Seems like allowing each viewer to choose for themselves whether they want everything sorted by time or by thread would be a win-win.

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

RI - Eh, it doesn't matter. What is done is done. There ain't no going back to the good 'ol days. However, I will probably choose to ignore the reply/threaded deally bobber thing.

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Boston_Corbett 4 years ago

I think a much more significant improvement would be a "mute" function so I could tune out: -bandwidth abuse (Merrill) -idiocy (Cool, Bronze, Paulette) -shrill politics (Shewmon)

And if they knew they were losing eyeballs, they would naturally become a bit more civic in their posting habits.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 4 years ago

My vote: No

T_O_B, I can give you a few links for free poll sites that you can embed in your blog, Jonathon could also.

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

"I vote yes, it makes it easier to follow a conversation, "

I can see that as a benefit... in ignoring a conversation. The 5 Percenters on the right and left can argue the same things they've been doing for years and I won't have to wade through their drivel.

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madameX 4 years ago

I vote yes, it makes it easier to follow a conversation, although maybe there could be a "view threaded" or "view flat" option for folks who prefer one or the other.

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autie 4 years ago

No kidding..now I just replied to a charliejohnson question on the OTS...and it worked. So I tried clicking on some others..not one of them worked...kept going to this login page...WTF? over. I'm going to have to vote for the way we've been doing it all along. Maybe it is one of those deals in which one must hold their mouth just right for it to work.

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The_Original_Bob 4 years ago

Like with most new things, there'll probably be a few hiccups.

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autie 4 years ago

I'm not sure yet....I can see merit for it...to a point...but I just had a major issue with it on the other thread. It wouldn't let me reply directly to a comment....Tom's godwin question, so I had to drop down to a new comment...weird, cause it worked fine the first two times.

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