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John McCain displays some honor

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After a week of former bush administration co-conspirators efforts to justify torture by this good country and claim some of President Obama's glory for killing OBL, Senator John McCain has had the decency to set the record straight. Despite the best efforts of the above-referenced right wing scoundrels to spread their propaganda through the corporate media, the senator is to be commended for his truth telling. Not that it will make a bit of difference with the racist, Obama hating right wing fringe, of course, but a nice reminder that there are a few honorable individuals left in what was once the Grand Old Party.

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Don Whiteley 3 years, 7 months ago

Not that it will make any difference to the left wing fanatical fringe, but John McCain has spent a lifetime being an honorable and stand-up kind of guy. The ONLY credit for the tracking down and killing of Bin Ladin belongs with the Ingelligence, Security, and Special Forces of the US who were effective IN SPITE of all the smearing they get from the left wing. The only credit O'Bama deserves is saying, "Duh, okay".

scott3460 3 years, 7 months ago

Senator McCain's many flip/flops and willingness to take the angry, low road are well known, so I do think it is remarkable that he's been willing to speak the truth in this instance.

"Victory has many fathers, but defeat is an orphan." - JFK

Someone has to shoulder the burden of responsibility in such matters. In this case it was our President. I, for one, am capable of acknowledging his leadership. Tis a shame so many on the right cannot (or rather, will not.)

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

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parco814 3 years, 7 months ago

Get your facts straight, distant. You want to know who's spent the most time and effort insulting John McCain, just look at the record of the right wing fanatical fringe who accused him of being brainwashed by the North Vietnamese, who attacked him for advocating normalization of diplomacy with Vietnam, who drove him out of the 2000 GOP Presidential nomination race by playing up his association with a group of gay Republicans who endorsed him, by suggesting that one of his adopted daughters was the wrong color (she's from Bangladesh), and by calling him a "Republican in Name Only."

You say the left wing smears our military--prove it. Let's see some evidence of your claim.

The President doesn't need your approval and this message board doesn't need your lies.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 7 months ago

"...You say the left wing smears our military--prove it. Let's see some evidence of your claim..." http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/apr/16/quick-fix/#c1611546 See also the two Johns, Kerry and Murthra. You need to get out more, parco.

beatrice 3 years, 7 months ago

"McCain has spent a lifetime being an honorable and stand-up kind of guy"

... that is, when he wasn't cheating on his first wife after she was in a horrible accident. At that point, he might as well have been John Edwards or Newt Gingrich.

McCain is doing the honorable thing by speaking out against torture, but let us not pretend he has lived his life like a saint.

scott3460 3 years, 7 months ago

He also inflicted Sarah McPalin upon me. A sin for which he can never be forgiven.

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

I'd say Obama's role is more like Ray Kroc creating an opportunity for the guy to cook the burger at McDonald's. I certainly believe the Seal Team 6 members deserve the "credit" for carrying out the mission, but denying Obama's role makes you appear to be the one with the big floppy shoes, red bulbous nose and funny hair.

beatrice 3 years, 7 months ago

What if the Hamburglar hadn't worked at McDonalds for a couple of years? Should he get credit if you like your lunch today?

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

And Mayor McCheese? Who's got his back?

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

Indeed, vertigo. If BAA's burger is improperly cooked, such that he gets food poisoning, is he going to ask to speak to the hourly wage person that prepared it or does he/she want to speak to the manager?

jafs 3 years, 7 months ago

That's interesting.

Of course, you talk to the manager.

But, if the cook doesn't cook it properly, that's his/her fault, isn't it?

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

It may or may not be the cook's fault. Perhaps the meat was tainted rather than improperly cooked, the person on the prior shift didn't clean properly or there was an equipment failure, etc. When the Health Dept. shows up, they'll want to speak with all the personnel involved, but the report and accountability goes to the manager and/or corporate offices. The manager is ultimately the one responsible for the overall operation of the restaurant. The manager thus is the one that receives the credit or criticism for the operation of the restaurant.

jafs 3 years, 7 months ago

You said it was improperly cooked.

verity 3 years, 7 months ago

This thread is an analogy gone completely wrong---as most analogies do. There is way too much use of analogies in these comments sections. Most analogies are not comparing like things and all analogies fall apart at some point.

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

Well I also mentioned food poisoning-so I took the liberty to add pre-tainted. My bad-sheesh.

OK, so rather than tainted, let's say the cook wasn't properly trained or the timer failed to function as designed. Not inherently the cook's fault. Who's responsible for training personnel and equipment maintenance as well as the oversight & management of the restaurant? It's not a complicated answer. The manager.

Randall Uhrich 3 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, McCain knows all about doing anything to get the torture to stop. He rolled over on his co-captives in Vietnam and for that received special priveliges. Some hero!

verity 3 years, 7 months ago

John McCain's whole career has always shown some lack of good judgment, starting with some incidents at the U.S. Naval Academy. Inflicting Sarah Palin on the national scene was one of the most enduring, although I don't think he chose her---seems William Krystal and his fellow neo-cons had a lot to do with that---but he did accept her without doing his homework. I have never been a supporter of McCain.

However, he should be given credit where credit is due, and in this case he deserves credit for speaking out.

As far as who gets credit for finding bin Laden, I think we will never know the whole story, but obviously there were a lot of pieces to the puzzle. That said, from what I have read, I get the idea that George W. Bush did not really want to find bin Laden---if that is true, one can only speculate on his motives.

verity 3 years, 7 months ago

"vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) replies… And who would you have blamed if the mission failed? I guess Jimmy Carter got no blame in your book when we failed to rescue the American hostages in Iran? Sure he did... because that's how hypocrisy works."

In this case, the analogy does work and vertigo makes a very good point.

verity 3 years, 7 months ago

What does this have to do with ideology? I did not say whether I blamed or gave credit to either Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama.

It has to do with two things being alike or not, and how far an analogy can be taken and still be correct.

Whatever you may think, cooking hamburgers and finding bin Laden can hardly be said to be equal or alike.

But since we are chatting, I have a question for you. By your name are you saying that you are a born again Christian?

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

You know, you're right BAA. Obama had very little to do with bin Laden's "capture". He did however, have a lot to say about his demise.

Now I'd better go rest up what with you having all of us "looney libs" in a tizzy. Refuting your asininity is so taxing...

bad_dog 3 years, 7 months ago

Keep yapping BAA.

While you may have a "lot to say", none of it means anything as illustrated by your obvious lack of comprehension of the President's role. Or perhaps you're just merely disingenuous?

Yeah, that's the ticket as John Lovitz would say.

Mike Ford 3 years, 7 months ago

McCain's problem lies in appearing smarter than the large dumblican base of churchlicans, gunlicans, and klanlikans, who expect their politicians to be smiling, pious, and accepting of their nutty doctrines and litmus tests and not capable of thinking beyond the repeated brainwashed nuttyness that these people cling on to to maintain their archie bunker view of this country courtesy of faux news. When McCain posed a threat to the annoited dumblican candidate Dubya, they character assasinated one of their own to maintain their manipulated choice which led this country into the mess Obama inherited. To this day the tealicans and the churchlicans still use this tactic as a veiled threat towards anyone who steps outside their nutty doctrine. Anyone know where Lindsay Graham or Robert Bennett went? I miss the McCain who went after Jack Abramov, Michael Scanlon, and Italia Federicci in the multi million dollar lobbying scheme ripping off millions from the Saginaw Chippewa, Louisiana Coushatta, and Mississippi Choctaw peoples. Instead, he now attacks tribal sovereignty like a typical dumblican when the Colorado River tribes of Arizona legally proved that the NIGC had no legal jurisdiction over their class III gaming machines a couple of years ago. The power of stupid outweighs the power of reason in the lockstep world of tealicans and churchlicans. Use a pointless doctrine to bring on litmus test fascism and make a politician and tortured war veteran your whipping boy. How fascist of you.

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