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Following her striptease moves on national TV, Bristol Palin has demonstrated once again the values she learned from her wonderful parents. As noted in the following article:

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/05/bristol-palin-profiteer-teen-pregnancy/

Ms. Palin was paid 7x what her nonprofit actually donated to the teen pregnancy cause. Seems to me that she might have "earned" $35K and donated $200K+, but the Palin family seems to exhibit different values than I.

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beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

Is that Bristol's fault, or the fault of those in charge of the non-profit? Did she start this non-profit -- is it her charity, or was she hired by them? Those are the important questions in a situation like this. At any rate, the charity needs to have its non-profit status stripped for gross misuse of funds.

tomatogrower 3 years, 8 months ago

Yes, but notice she didn't do any volunteer work. Her family and she are in it for the money. That's why her mom quit as governor. It didn't pay enough. She wanted to keep those clothes that the McCain campaign bought for her. None of this dowdy stuff she can afford on a governor's salary. That's the conservative religion - money. They would have hated Jesus. Think of the fortune he would have made if he had kissed up to the Romans.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 8 months ago

Saw the headline & thought it was about Bill Ayers and Barry Soetoro. Never mind.

scott3460 3 years, 8 months ago

No, it is a factual example of right wing hypocricy, as opposed to a manufactured piece of propaganda to sell corporate media product.

scott3460 3 years, 8 months ago

Your question is beside the point. Ms. Palin has been the willing participant in a grifting operation and profited nicely from her willingness to do so. That speaks to her character, or rather lack of character, thus the comment about the apple and the tree. And by the way, to date we have no evidence Ms. Palin has made any charitable contribution toward teen pregnancy education. She was compensated for the acts in which she agreed to perform. Just like her mother.

scott3460 3 years, 8 months ago

The point is not whether Ms. Palin or I make charitable contributions, but rather that I have never been a participant in a dishonest marketing scam posing as a non-profit charity.

scott3460 3 years, 8 months ago

Yes, we all know making commercials while wearing the crap you are trying to hawk is the best way to effect social change.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 8 months ago

"Dunno- what's it cost to raise a baby with down syndrome and the special needs and education needed?"


Bristol doesn't have a Down's child; Sarah does.

Kirk Larson 3 years, 8 months ago

They keep insisting that Trig Palin (the baby with Downs syndrome) is NOT Bristol's baby.

Katara 3 years, 8 months ago

Well, anything below $250k is practically poverty level...

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 8 months ago

250K to be a paid spokeswoman for a charity is a bit much. What did Bristol bring to the table for that money? 1. Her name. 2. Being the most spectacular example of failure of (and poster child for) "abstinence only" sex education. 3. Her name. Oh and 4. Her name. Most "real" stars who do "real" PSAs, such as Brangelina and Sarah McClachlan, do so for free. They donate their talent, their name and their face to support the charity. If, for contractual reasons, they must be paid, they receive going union rate which is only about 6k for what amounts to a couple of hours of work. Certainly not 250K. The real truth is Bristol Palin is pimping out her name. Not surprising. It would most certainly be nice if every teenage mother in this country could receive 250k just for making a 3 minute PSA.

Kirk Larson 3 years, 8 months ago

"They are also more substantially well off than Bristol is." Because they actually have talent.

pizzapete 3 years, 8 months ago

Bristol is a great spokesperson. The organization can point to her and say "don't do that". What more could they ask for.

Katara 3 years, 8 months ago

An example that illustrates on how teen pregnancy is a bad option? That teen mothers generally have limited options? That teen mothers tend to live in poverty? That teen mothers generally have limited education which limits their opportunities for better paying jobs than minimum wage ones? That teen mothers are usually socially ostracized once the baby arrives?

Bristol is not a good spokeswoman for this non-profit. She has suffered very little of the consequences a teen pregnancy brings. The whole point of this ad campaign is to show why teen pregnancy should be avoided. Bristol has actually been rewarded for getting knocked up and dropping out of school. That is not what normally happens to teen mothers.

pizzapete 3 years, 8 months ago

Katara, I see your point, and would have to agree she's probably the worst spokesperson they could have chosen. What were they thinking?

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

So Bristol makes a quarter of a million, Barak Obama made how much for his book? Baseball players make 8-10 million, Mick Jagger makes how much? CEOs makes tons of money while Nobel prizes winners get, what, a million? Can anybody say what someone else is worth?

jafs 3 years, 8 months ago

Not easily or completely objectively, of course.

But, it seems abundantly clear to me that the way money moves around in our society is out of whack.

Teachers and social workers make much too little, in my opinion, and many others make much too much.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

Imagine the following scenario; A social worker goes to work each day, a job he loves. The clients he works with appreciate the job he does. Society looks upon him well because he is serving a noble cause. A trash collector goes to work each day hating his job. It's dull and tedious work. The manual labor causes aches and pains and at the end of each day, he goes home smelling bad. Society looks down it's nose at the work he does. Who should be paid more?

jafs 3 years, 8 months ago

Well, I'm not at all sure that your description of social workers is accurate.

But, I agree that trash collectors should be well compensated.

I was thinking of athletes, actors, etc.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 8 months ago

I was just thinking that job satisfaction should fit somewhere in the equation. Job satisfaction may be reward in itself, thereby lowering the need for monetary compensation. I would rather earn $35,000 as a social worker than say $50,000 hauling trash. Obviously, someone else might not. Getting back to Bristol Palin, being a teen mother with her ex-boyfriend being less than supportive, I would rather not have all that aired in public. But considering it is being aired, maybe making some money for all that unpleasantness is O.K.

jafs 3 years, 8 months ago

Maybe.

Some people, of course, like airing their personal nonsense in public.

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

jhf: "So Bristol makes a quarter of a million, Barak Obama made how much for his book? Baseball players make 8-10 million, Mick Jagger makes how much? CEOs makes tons of money while Nobel prizes winners get, what, a million? Can anybody say what someone else is worth?"

Did you notice that Bristol Palin is the only one on your list who earned her money from a non-profit, charity-based organization? Not saying Bristol was the one in the wrong, as I stated earlier, but just thought that was worth pointing out. A more appropriate comparison would be to ask about the amount athletes, actors, Obama, CEOs, Nobel prize winners and Mick Jagger made while making public service announcements or doing any other form of charity work.

Another thought is this -- isn't having Bristol Palin talking about avoiding teen pregnancy a bit like having Keith Richards be the spokesman against drug use?

workinghard 3 years, 8 months ago

Bit off subject, but still about some single mothers. It really, really makes me mad when I see single unwed mothers living off of their kids. Knew one woman with two girls receiving SS payments because their father died. Also in the home was current boyfriend and child they had together. That is five people and the only income was the money those two girls received. Neither adults worked. Want to know why, because their wages would be garnished for child support that each owed from previous relationships and the other parent had custody. I know a couple of single women that the child support (result of a one night stand) is the only income. One woman has a 3 pack a day cigarette habit and smokes pot besides that. Guess where that child support goes. If the kid wasn't in school, she wouldn't get to eat. I don't think what Palin is doing is near as bad as these sleazy women.

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

Yep, it had to come back to the Obamas.

Was the salary five times the amount actually paid out to those the charity hopes to help? If so, as with Palin, it shouldn't be thought of as Obamas' fault, but the charity should have its non-profit status stripped.

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

Opine? It did come back to Obama -- and you did it! No opining at all, just observing what happened.

beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

Not wrong, you did bring up Obama in a "but ... but ... Obama!" kind of way. Doesn't matter if another mentioned Obama as well. You did bring up Obama. My pointing this out isn't opinion, it is fact. Not wrong.

TheYetiSpeaks 3 years, 8 months ago

Don't understand the fascination with bashing the Palins. Let me get this straight: Bristol, a member of the teen pregnancy club was presented a perfectly legal money making venture....and took it? Oh the humanity. No other teens/young adults would do those things! Get over it. Find someone who actually matters to pick on.....I don't know, like Congress.

tbaker 3 years, 8 months ago

Scott 3460 is just another liberal / progressive who is angry about someone earning a living. Nothing to see here...

jafs 3 years, 8 months ago

Ok.

So concerns about morality are now "liberal" concerns - that's good to know.

I expect the conservatives will immediately desist from expressing any of those concerns.

Kyle Reed 3 years, 8 months ago

Moral concerns...now that is laughable. He's babbling about her earning money and claiming she should have given more of it away based on his values compared to hers. She has no moral obligation to be broke and has every right to earn a living without dipsh*ts like him or anybody else questioning it.

jafs 3 years, 8 months ago

You have the right to your opinion.

However, the concern is clearly a moral one - he is judging her actions and finding them to lack morality.

As conservatives do all of the time, with many people and issues, and the basis is always their values.

Hence my post.

scott3460 3 years, 8 months ago

A post of less than 100 words is hardly babbling, Akreed.

Also, I never claimed she had a moral obligation to be broke. What I suggested was that her willingness to prostitute her notoriety was outrageous, but in keeping with her mother's disgusting example.

Your final vulgar personal insult is revealing. Ms. Palin, of course, enjoys no such right.

scott3460 3 years, 8 months ago

Funny, these comments, coming from so many who seem quite content to dictate how union members earn livings and what levels of benefits and compensation are sufficient.

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