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No, Mr. Obama, We Don't "Belong" to the Government

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President Barack Obama made a major gaffe when he recently said that we are owned, or "belong to", government. In the United States the government is supposed to "belong to" the people instead of the other way around as he suggests.

We the people are supposed to own the government and tell it what to do. Obama and other elitists believe that government exists to control our personal lives and even tell us how much we can eat or drink.

Some government controls are necessary to prevent people from harming others. Government needs to restrict sale of some substances that can adversely affect physical or mental health or can cause people to harm others. However, there is no reason for government to regulate the size of soft drinks or treat all school children as if they had the same nutritional needs. Active children need more calories than those who spend all their time playing video games.

Too many officials at all levels of government think they are better than the rest of us and have some special right or knowledge to make decisions for us. Government officials who believe themselves superior will sometimes say "if you only knew what we know" when they really mean "if you knew only what we know."

One of my favorite movie quotes is by Glenn Ford's character in "Teahouse of the August Moon". Ford plays an American military officer helping the Japanese develop democratic government after World War II. He tells them: "Democracy is where the people have the right to make the wrong decisions."

All humans can make mistakes. I read a book review several years ago about some incredibly stupid things done by the high IQ members of Mensa. During President Lyndon Johnson's administration men who were considered to be the best and the brightest put half a million of us in Vietnam for no apparent reason other than that they didn't want to lose the war before the next election. They had no idea what victory meant and thus didn't know how to win.

President Thomas Jefferson once said: "I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves, and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion."

"It is the duty of the Patriot to protect his country from its Government."- Thomas Paine

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Budgets_Smudgets 1 year, 11 months ago

Why does the LJW forum allow this Hutchinson weirdo to post his nonsensical tripe on a forum labeled "community perspective." ?

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Glenn Reed 1 year, 11 months ago

Constant reminders to the community that, should you need a lobotomy, you get a professional to do it?

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Jean Robart 1 year, 11 months ago

freedom of speech and the press.Does that sound familiar to you? He has just as much right to disagree with you as anybody else.

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gl0ck0wn3r 1 year, 11 months ago

Familiarize yourself with the constitution before you blather on about it. You might learn something.

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fiddleback 1 year, 11 months ago

Probably the phrase that "Government is the only thing we all belong to," meaning it's our largest collective endeavor, not that the government owns us. Idiotically grasping at straws from straw-men he can't even construct, as per his usual.

Even the "didn't build that" crowd isn't dumb enough to try willfully misconstruing such a benign remark, which is why it hasn't become another asinine meme already.

So on the one hand, Mr. Lucas gives custodians a bad name; on the other it's fitting as his mind is a sort of political mop bucket of filth...

But then maybe mop water is too kind an analogy. Reading Ken's musings seems more like staring down the hole of a Porta John at a Ted Nugent concert.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 11 months ago

Proof positive that one can obtain a graduate degree and not be considered intelligent.

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kernal 1 year, 11 months ago

By mail from a National Enquirer ad.

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gl0ck0wn3r 1 year, 11 months ago

Does he actually have a graduate degree? He says he has "X hours past an MA" but that doesn't mean he was granted an MA or wrote a thesis. One suspects that had he earned an MA he would state it the way most people do: "I earned an MA in 2007" rather than the way he wrote it. My guess is he is one of those guys who either audits classes or has taken a bunch of stuff as a non-degree seeking student. I've asked who his advisor is and about his thesis but he's never answered.

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Jean Robart 1 year, 11 months ago

Oh, he disagrees with you too, eh?

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somedude20 1 year, 11 months ago

"Obama and other elitists believe that government exists to control our personal lives and even tell us how much we can eat or drink."

You mean like how the Publicans tell women what to do with their bodies? Like the Publicans saying who and who cannot get married? Isn't Bloomberg a Publican?

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Liberty275 1 year, 11 months ago

"You mean like how the Publicans tell women what to do with their bodies?"

Yes, that's a good comparison. Liberals and conservatives are flip sides of the same coin and think they know what is best for you.

" Isn't Bloomberg a Publican? "

Who cares. He knows better than you how much Coke you should be allowed to have in a cup.

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tolawdjk 1 year, 11 months ago

Let's see if this follows the mold...

1) radom R talking point. (check) 2) Begin arguement by randomly attaching 5 different thoughts in "degrees of Kevin Bacon" formula (check) 3) Random "favorite" military movie quote. (check) 4) Somehow bring in Vietnam and how its political situation is exactly lie today. (check) 5) Wrap up with no discernable or supported conclusion (check)

Bonus addition of some "founding fathers" or somehow "patriotic" quote, usually out of context (check)

Yep, this here appears to be traditional frontier gibberish. I've got to think that this guy's neighbors, when seeing him out working in the lawn, postpone going outside themsleves in order to avoid any kind of converstation.

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MarcoPogo 1 year, 11 months ago

Can we get a cleanup on Aisle 4?!?

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Kirk Larson 1 year, 11 months ago

I doubt he said "belong to" as in "owned by". Probably belong to as in belong to your church, belong to the Rotarians, belong to a barbershop quartet. I.e. are a part of, participate in, have a say in the activities of. Really, was that so hard?

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George Lippencott 1 year, 11 months ago

""The government is the only thing we all belong to," says a recent Barrack Obama ad. He did say that. Now, I really do not know what the President meant. I do get a sense of what a number of posters to this space think.

I went looking for my membership card. I don't have one. I do have an old draft card - does that count. Maybe the military ID card I carry?? Perhaps the driver’s license??

I am a citizen of the United States and not a member of an organization called the United States. In the view of those who wrote our founding documents we (all of us) are sovereign. The entity to which we delegated certain powers is not. It belongs to us not the other way around. I think the President knows that – unfortunately and apparently many on here do not.

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fiddleback 1 year, 11 months ago

Oh come on. Obama went on to say "we have different churches, different clubs, but we're together as a part of our city or our county or our state." So it's just another spin on that sentiment of, "government is the name we give to what we choose to do together."

"Belong to" probably seemed like an even warmer, fuzzier word choice, but of course leave it to the bottom-feeding hacks to spin it as implying gov't ownership, control, etc.

Seriously, don't we have better matters to discuss than these piddling false controversies over semantics and syntax?

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Kirk Larson 1 year, 11 months ago

You belong to a family, do you need a membership card for that? your community? the human race? the company of thoughtful, decent people?...well, maybe you should have to take a test for that last one.

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George Lippencott 1 year, 11 months ago

Cappy and Fiddleback

I hope you are right. Unfortunately the musings on here do not make that clear. I am very concerned that many mean exactly that - I am a servant of the state. I don't believe that and I will stand up against it every time it rears its ugly head.

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Liberty275 1 year, 11 months ago

You're talking to people willing to give up their freedom at the drop of a hat. Belonging to the government is natural for them.

I was owned by the government for 6 years, then I went back to being a free citizen like you. Now I don't belong to anything or anyone.

The rest of you can make up excuses for what our clumsy president said, I expect you to.

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fiddleback 1 year, 11 months ago

Yes, there's just no way "belong to" means we're all citizens; better to bristle with the ridiculous assumption that we're being referred to as owned. I can see the Onion headline now: "Whites to First Black President: How Dare You Refer To Us As Property."

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George Lippencott 1 year, 11 months ago

Am I not entitled to my view of the world or are you the only one allowed to have one because you are right. I am not a servant of the government and that is how I intrepret "belonging to it" I see no rcial element in this discussion but apparently you do - why?

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Kirk Larson 1 year, 11 months ago

You are entitled to your view just as fiddleback and I are to entitled to the view that your view is paranoid and ridiculous.

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fiddleback 1 year, 11 months ago

Who said anything about anyone not being entitled to his/her opinion?

Since when did mockery or satire become equivalent to intolerance or lobbying for censorship?

The next step would be that ol' straw man of liberals as intolerant fascists, but you seem smarter than that, or at least I thought so... Am I playing chess with someone who only knows checkers?

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beatrice 1 year, 11 months ago

Another silly blog by the trolling, blogging birther. yawn

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George Lippencott 1 year, 11 months ago

Such meaningful musings from the IMHO aid employee of the DNC. Why is he wrong. Absolutely no one has answered that question. Lots of defense of the President - but who accused the President of anything. Even the author attacked the ad not the man.

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Michael Shaw 1 year, 11 months ago

Google the phrase. Obama did not say it.

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Klumma 1 year, 11 months ago

Corky. I am now certain that your affliction is not treatable.

Another senseless rant from this idiot. . . .

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George Lippencott 1 year, 11 months ago

I think the author is right in his concern about how we relate to the government. I am deeply troubled by the meaningless and demeaning responses. The notion that such a concern should be banned is especially frightening.

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Armstrong 1 year, 11 months ago

Government seems to be the athiest / liberal "god" When you trash the brainwashed blues savior ( meal ticket ) you are trashing their "god". Let's hope they respond a bit better then their counterparts in the Middle East. Reason Mcwhatever you are on the mark.

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Liberty275 1 year, 11 months ago

Don't sully the good word "atheist" with "liberal".

"you are trashing their "god"."

Isn't that what gods are for?

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jonas_opines 1 year, 11 months ago

"Isn't that what gods are for?"

Don't forget adding legitimacy to things you can't prove.

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Liberty275 1 year, 11 months ago

Only if you use the right book.

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