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Amazon selling pro pedophilia book? What are they thinking?


Amazon is currently selling a self published book that promotes pedophilia. The book is titled "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure" by Philip R. Greaves II, and was released on Oct. 28th. It's subtitle describes it as a child lover's code of conduct.

Amazon has responded to critics by refusing to pull the book from it's marketplace claiming it would be censorship to do so.

While many are criticizing Amazon for their decision, others are praising Amazon for protecting free speech.

I definitely feel uncomfortable with Amazon's decision to offer this book for public consumption. While such a book might be protected by the 1st Amendment is it ethical to sell a book that promotes abuse? What do you think Amazon should do?

Let me know your thoughts.

You can read a much better written article here


introversion 7 years, 2 months ago

I completely agree that this is an inappropriate topic, but this is a fantastic instance of our first amendment rights cutting both ways.

Amazon probably also sells many books on cultivation of certain illegal plants as well- Understand that I'm not arguing from a moral or ethical point of view as I do NOT believe that smoking substances is the same as crimes against children, but more so that they both happen to be illegal activities that happen to have books written about them.

The best barometer of our society will be whether this book sells wildly, or (hopefully) not at all.

LoveThsLife 7 years, 2 months ago

Yesterday it had reached number 80 on Amazon's bestseller list.

monkey_c 7 years, 2 months ago

Oh please tell me that isn't so. That is horrible.

Amy Heeter 7 years, 2 months ago

Censorship is to deny or limit access to materials based on content of such material.

Amy Heeter 7 years, 2 months ago

Censorship isnt about products it is about thoughts. It is about a person or a group attempting to limit or control access of the written word, film or art from another group; in this case the general public. I am not saying the material isn't objectionable to me but as unfortunate as it is there is a market for such content. This is the same argument used in attemptd to close porn shops down. If you don't like the content opt out.

Amy Heeter 7 years, 2 months ago

So is oral sex in many states, but most participate in it just the same. To sell a book does not constitute advocation of a crime. It is just a book and people have the choice to read it or not read it. To say Amazon ia advocating crime by selling a book is like saying anyone who reads a murder mystery or watches a lifetime movie advocates murder.

Ricky_Vaughn 7 years, 2 months ago

Weed is illegal too but they make TV shows about it (Weeds, Marijuana, Inc). There are books that instruct you on how to grow the stuff in a closet!

Although I loathe the subject matter, I applaud Amazon for it's decision.

LoveThsLife 7 years, 2 months ago

Jesse you are not out of line with many of the responses that I saw when following this story. Many said they pulled their shops from Amazon and canceled orders or said they would not be doing any holiday shopping from the company.

I wonder if that is ultimately what made them pull the book? Probably. As of yesterday they were pretty firm in their response., but as of this morning it looks like they changed their tune.


Ronda Miller 7 years, 2 months ago

I agree that Amazon wouldn't be making a Freedom of Speech statement one way or the other by not selling the book - they aren't selling any of mine so they make that decision all the time. Lol

It brings to mind the public outcry around the 'fictional' book OJ Simpson wrote that then was pulled. Censorship is different from the first amendment, isn't it? Or is this a simple matter of good taste and choice rather than either of the above.

LoveThsLife 7 years, 2 months ago

Rhonda I hadn't though about OJ's book..good point.

Are you self published? What do you write?

Maddy Griffin 7 years, 2 months ago

Let them sell it, if you don't like it don't buy it.

Amy Heeter 7 years, 2 months ago

This is a correct approach. They do this with The Anarchist Cookbook.

LoveThsLife 7 years, 2 months ago

Amazon did pull the book as of this morning. What I don't understand is according to their own policy they reserve the right to have editorial judgment. Which includes banning offensive content, illegal items and test solutions manuals. . On their own website it says,"what we deem offensive is probably what you would expect."

What I don't get is by their own company policy they prohibit porn on their Kindles however, a how to book for child rapists is okay????

It doesn't make a lot of sense that this was even issue to them on whether or not they would pull it.

With holiday shopping gearing up you would think Amazon would not want to offend a large portion of it's customers.

booyalab 7 years, 2 months ago

They ultimately went with what would help the stock price. Now no one in NAMBLA is going to have a Merry Christmas, are you happy? (P.S. I'm joking)

LoveThsLife 7 years, 2 months ago

You can read an article on it here http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/68464.

Also Jesse now that it has been pulled will you go back to shopping at Amazon?

Liberty275 7 years, 2 months ago

Amazon can't censor. Only the government can censor. OTOH, the government can at will censor by proxy by extorting the distributor into not selling legal material.

IMNSHO, no words should ever be illegal unless they are meant to and capable of inciting immediate violence.

spiderd 7 years, 2 months ago

I am entirely anti-pedophilia and entirely pro-consumers being able to vote with their dollar but just so we're dealing in fact here, it is quite possible in today's world for businesses to exercise censorship. With a shrinking number of retail giants out there controlling more and more of the various markets, I think this is actually the most dangerous type of censorship we'll be dealing with as a society moving forward. It may not be quite to the level of censorship yet but what if Amazon, Borders, and a few other book giants all cave to some sort of public pressure (let's each imagine a less extreme example than pedophilia) and refuse to sell it. Sure, it's not technically "censored" but it might as well be to a tremendously large portion of the population.

whats_going_on 7 years, 2 months ago

So I guess the author is going to be watched pretty closely now : As should everyone who purchased it.

Liza Pehrson 7 years, 2 months ago

It seems to me like this is a perfect case study in capitalism. Amazon wasn't going to pull the book off its site yesterday, but today, based (probably) on responses from its consumers (and number of cancelled orders, it seems), the book is not there.

This is the way capitalism is supposed to work, right? No interference from the government--the people are simply making decisions, and a business is adapting to it.

And for a moment, all is right with the world. . .

spiderd 7 years, 2 months ago

Really? What if it was a book on how public health care was clearly a bad (good) idea and why? What if 80% of people thought public health care was indeed a good (bad) idea and they organized themselves enough so as to boycott Amazon and force them to remove the book? Sure, it's capitalism at work but it's also extremely dangerous.
Would it then be the role of the gov't to play a part and support "freedom of speech", an ideal and a law that we are founded on and almost all people can agree on? If it did, would it be "interfering" or simply upholding the law and protecting one of our core beliefs? The pedophilia thing is such a wicked example but this really is a dangerous thing. I don't know the answer to these questions but capitalism is not the simple magic cure all that many claim it to be. For the record, I'm pro capitalism, I'm just saying it's not always the end of the free world when government interjects in it's flow, sometimes it's the exact opposite.

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